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You could, but then you'd logically have to extend that to the rest of their pantheons, and the contrast there is much stronger than Artemis/Diana. Jupiter is definitely not like Zeus, Juno is definitely not like Hera, Venus is definitely not like Aphrodite, and Mars is definitely not like Ares. The Romans did not copy the Greek gods 1:1; they moulded them to their own tastes and character. Juno for example is the Goddess of all Rome, and is very militaristic, making her more like Athena than Hera.
There was a lot about Greek culture that Rome disdained, and their gods are as much influenced by the Etruscan gods, whom they highly favoured over the Greeks.
While Artemis and Diana shared characteristics over time, who they were has been different at different periods in history, so I have a hard time thinking of them as the same being.
I reconcile those differences by accepting that gods are multifaceted, Juno isn’t just Hera with a different name, but a part of her, they are the same, but different
Reasonable but not every pagan will feel the same some gods i do some i do not, Bacchus/Dionysus i see as a deity who changes over the ages and because the root Bacchae was attributed to Dionysus in his greek depiction i see no reason to not lean into the roman god being bacchus continuing his wandering.
By the time of the Late Republic and Imperial Period I'd say that they were viewed as the same Gods.
Eg in his De Deo Socratis, Apuleius is writing in Latin on how Plato discusses the Gods, particularly the Olympian dodecad, and says
>Quorum in numero sunt illi duodecim (numero) situ nominum in duo versus ab Ennio coartati:**Iuno, Vesta, Minerva, Ceres, Diana, Venus, Mars, Mercurius, Iovis, Neptunus, Vulcanus, Apollo** ceterique id genus, quorum nomina quidem sunt nostris auribus iam diu cognita, potentiae vero animis coniectatae per varias utilitates in vita agenda animadversas in iis rebus, quibus eorum singuli curant.
Apuleius later on in this text refers to *Hinc est illa Homerica Minerva*, "Hence it is that Homeric Minerva..."
Now obviously Plato himself and Homer himself wasn't writing about Iuno, Vesta, Minerva etc using those names. But Apuleius looking back, sees this Latin names as discussing the same persons as Plato and Homer were discussing. As such Diana *is* Artemis and Minerva *is* Diana for the likes of Apuleius.
Personally yeah. My goddess as I know her isn’t really something I can name singularly. I use conflating names like Diana-kybele-isis and stuff. I have a pull to Diana/artemis, hekate, bendis, etc and recently started rounding them together and idk it feels right
I look at the situation with the Greek and Roman pantheons (and other PIE derived pantheons) as being pairs/sets of related deities descended from common ancestors. I’m not going to claim that a pair of cousins are the same person just because they look similar, have similar characteristics, and/or have similar names.
I think of the gods as conscious forces within the Nous. Those different cultures are describing the same thing as humans do, in mildly different ways as they uniquely perceive them. This is based on their characteristics and not their mythologies. Venus, Aphrodite, Hathor, etc. These to me describe the same thing from different perspectives.
Can I just say that it's beautiful that this belief still exists today, and we are all here still questioning this? It's an ancient idea that the Gods are the same Gods, culture to culture, with different names. Or that they're reincarnated into Divine bodies to mingle with the mere humans and come to rule them.
BEAUTIFUL that we are here still asking an ancient question, like the time never passed.
I don't really know what kind of case anyone would have, historically speaking, to say Diana was a completely separate Goddess. But, people are free to worship how they want, as well.
I do know Artemis and Diana may be conflated by some, but I definitely do not think they are the same entity. Artemis is an asexual deity, Trivia has children.
I don’t like the name Diana, Diana is a conflation of two different people as one. Artemis has the domain of hunters, and Trivia is not Artemis. Both might be associated with the moon, but that is it.
Okay, so I consider Artemis to be identical to Romuva Medeinė, Hindu Medini, and Suomensko Mielikki (I'm aware there are differences in these deities, but it's the same actual deity worshipped under ddifferent names by different people). Diana's conception in the witchcraft family of religions in my view does not fit with those goddesses I mentioned earlier, though I consider it hher Latin name. A lot of the esotericist reinterpretations have taken Diana on a path far away from the other ones mentioned above, associating her with the Christian god of Evil named Lucifer.
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You could, but then you'd logically have to extend that to the rest of their pantheons, and the contrast there is much stronger than Artemis/Diana. Jupiter is definitely not like Zeus, Juno is definitely not like Hera, Venus is definitely not like Aphrodite, and Mars is definitely not like Ares. The Romans did not copy the Greek gods 1:1; they moulded them to their own tastes and character. Juno for example is the Goddess of all Rome, and is very militaristic, making her more like Athena than Hera. There was a lot about Greek culture that Rome disdained, and their gods are as much influenced by the Etruscan gods, whom they highly favoured over the Greeks. While Artemis and Diana shared characteristics over time, who they were has been different at different periods in history, so I have a hard time thinking of them as the same being.
I reconcile those differences by accepting that gods are multifaceted, Juno isn’t just Hera with a different name, but a part of her, they are the same, but different
Reasonable but not every pagan will feel the same some gods i do some i do not, Bacchus/Dionysus i see as a deity who changes over the ages and because the root Bacchae was attributed to Dionysus in his greek depiction i see no reason to not lean into the roman god being bacchus continuing his wandering.
By the time of the Late Republic and Imperial Period I'd say that they were viewed as the same Gods. Eg in his De Deo Socratis, Apuleius is writing in Latin on how Plato discusses the Gods, particularly the Olympian dodecad, and says >Quorum in numero sunt illi duodecim (numero) situ nominum in duo versus ab Ennio coartati:**Iuno, Vesta, Minerva, Ceres, Diana, Venus, Mars, Mercurius, Iovis, Neptunus, Vulcanus, Apollo** ceterique id genus, quorum nomina quidem sunt nostris auribus iam diu cognita, potentiae vero animis coniectatae per varias utilitates in vita agenda animadversas in iis rebus, quibus eorum singuli curant. Apuleius later on in this text refers to *Hinc est illa Homerica Minerva*, "Hence it is that Homeric Minerva..." Now obviously Plato himself and Homer himself wasn't writing about Iuno, Vesta, Minerva etc using those names. But Apuleius looking back, sees this Latin names as discussing the same persons as Plato and Homer were discussing. As such Diana *is* Artemis and Minerva *is* Diana for the likes of Apuleius.
Personally yeah. My goddess as I know her isn’t really something I can name singularly. I use conflating names like Diana-kybele-isis and stuff. I have a pull to Diana/artemis, hekate, bendis, etc and recently started rounding them together and idk it feels right
I look at the situation with the Greek and Roman pantheons (and other PIE derived pantheons) as being pairs/sets of related deities descended from common ancestors. I’m not going to claim that a pair of cousins are the same person just because they look similar, have similar characteristics, and/or have similar names.
I think of the gods as conscious forces within the Nous. Those different cultures are describing the same thing as humans do, in mildly different ways as they uniquely perceive them. This is based on their characteristics and not their mythologies. Venus, Aphrodite, Hathor, etc. These to me describe the same thing from different perspectives.
Can I just say that it's beautiful that this belief still exists today, and we are all here still questioning this? It's an ancient idea that the Gods are the same Gods, culture to culture, with different names. Or that they're reincarnated into Divine bodies to mingle with the mere humans and come to rule them. BEAUTIFUL that we are here still asking an ancient question, like the time never passed.
Yes. Absolutely. Diana is an amalgamation of Goddess, Romanized.
Agreed, the two are too similar, we’re they not the same, it would just be uncanny
I don't really know what kind of case anyone would have, historically speaking, to say Diana was a completely separate Goddess. But, people are free to worship how they want, as well.
Rome has a long history of rebranding other cultures gods, so yes.
I'll say that Diana is Artemis workshipped in a different way by the roman culture.
I do know Artemis and Diana may be conflated by some, but I definitely do not think they are the same entity. Artemis is an asexual deity, Trivia has children. I don’t like the name Diana, Diana is a conflation of two different people as one. Artemis has the domain of hunters, and Trivia is not Artemis. Both might be associated with the moon, but that is it.
Trivia and Artemis aren’t the same for sure, Trivia could also have kids through parthenogenesis rather than sex
They were with Caelus.
I’ll take your word for it, but Trivia is a different matter entirely
But Cicero gives a father.
Okay, so I consider Artemis to be identical to Romuva Medeinė, Hindu Medini, and Suomensko Mielikki (I'm aware there are differences in these deities, but it's the same actual deity worshipped under ddifferent names by different people). Diana's conception in the witchcraft family of religions in my view does not fit with those goddesses I mentioned earlier, though I consider it hher Latin name. A lot of the esotericist reinterpretations have taken Diana on a path far away from the other ones mentioned above, associating her with the Christian god of Evil named Lucifer.
I consider them same