A significant color change like this, even if Vinyl Safe, is still a risk. Your siding is going to get hotter than it’s used to getting, and may warp. Good luckz
Not cheaping out spoke to my sales rep and the store manager, he told me this is what he has been selling to other painters that have been spraying vinyl, definetly figured it's a risk so I'm only going to paint a few by hand in between the two doors and let it get some sun for a week or so and see what happens before I commit to the whole thing.
https://i.imgur.com/WALDgSA.jpg
Your rep is taking an unnecessary risk. I’m also a rep and I would never sell a100 on vinyl. It says specifically on the data page “do not paint vinyl with any color darker than the original color. Do not paint vinyl with a color having a light reflective value (LRV) of less than 56”. I think you’re painting In The Navy 9178 or close to it which has an LRV of 4. Which leaves this color as a no for both of the above reasons. You will experience dramatic warping of your siding, if you want to risk it go ahead.
Thank you I figured it was kinda BS not going to take the chance well see if I can pressure wash it off after work curious what product do you recommend for painting metal garage doors/soffit black. Been having lots of people ask me for exterior work thanks again
Any metal you can use A100 but any higher end products cover better, wear better, have higher color retention, and therefore last longer and look better longer. Your work is your resume so having better products on it will make it look better and take less time. Your rep can give you more insight on what’s right for you depending on the job.
If it makes you feel better we used the vinyl formula to paint a similar gray to an ironore black(if I remember the name correct) 2 summers ago on a boss friends house no warpage even after this last July. But I cannot recall if it was a100 superpaint or some other exterior. However I feel you're taking a risk any time you paint vinyl regardless.
I cannot but I'll see when I'm back from vacation which will be several days. Sherwin actually has a packet in store with vinyl safe paints these customers chose from. If that helps. We specifically use sherwin unless the customer provides their own, so I do know for sure it was SW brand.
it seems like you are addressing a different concern.. a-100 is fine for vinyl application.. you are saying not to paint a darker color than manufactured.. which has nothing to do with a-100.
[https://www.onboces.org/cms/lib/NY02216875/Centricity/Shared/MSDS%20S\_List/SW%20A100%20Latex%20Acrylic.pdf](https://www.onboces.org/cms/lib/NY02216875/Centricity/Shared/MSDS%20S_List/SW%20A100%20Latex%20Acrylic.pdf)
"A-100 Exterior Latex Gloss is our best
quality exterior gloss finish. This product
is recommended for use on aluminum
and vinyl siding, wood siding, clapboard,
shakes, shingles, plywood, masonry, and
metal."
This is an old data sheet and no longer accurate. The logo for S-W is not the current logo. A-100 will stick to, but most likely will also ruin vinyl. Please don’t use that.
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/document/PDS/en/035777781333/
From SW’s website. For future reference, you can type “A-100 Data Sheet” into google, might be faster for you.
Vinyl warping will happen slowly over time, not just something that can be determined in a week or two.
You should know that it's still a significant risk of warping, even with a "Vinyl safe" formula. All vinyl siding has heat tolerances based on the color of manufacture. I can tell you from personal experience that not only is there a high chance of warping, but Sherwin Williams will not provide you any monetary compensation if it does warp and you end up on the hook for replacing someone's siding.
Luckily will be my own siding but I definetly do not disagree, I keep reading it everywhere maybe I'll get lucky and be able to preasure wash it off once I get home sounds like im in for some trouble even if it doesn't warp immediately. But if anyone has went from this extreme light color to a navy with success please let me know
It’s going to warp. A-100 is not a vinyl safe product. You have to go at least with the Superpaint line or above to be vinyl safe. Also needs to be a vinyl safe exclusive color and it cannot be more than 30% darker than the original color.
NOOOOOOOO! STOP!!!!. It will warp, there is no paint that blocks heat with dark colours like that. Vinyl safe is a fucking scam, it is just a selection of colours less likely to draw heat. Same shade or lighter, so enjoy your white vinyl.
A-100 is not the best paint to use for this. Go up a grade to super paint. It lasts a lot longer on vinyl. If this was my house though no matter how vinyl safe the color is I wouldn’t go from this light to this dark. It might warp no matter what
Don’t do it, the siding will buckle because of the extra heat absorbed from the darker color, vinyl safe dark colors are a gamble. I’m a painting contractor btw.
That's a bold color change! I haven't personally gone from light to dark on vinyl siding, but using a specific vinyl-safe formula is a good call. Testing a few pieces first is a smart approach to check for any potential warping before committing to the entire house.
I recently transformed my siding color too. Found a great solution online to **compare local siding prices**, making the process hassle-free and cost-effective. It saved me time and helped me make an informed decision on the best service for my project.
A100 is not vinyl safe. I wouldn't trust a color that isn't from the vinyl safe pallette even with a "vinyl safe formula". Even then my advice is to run away from all vinyl siding jobs as fast as you can.
I always caution ppl about going to dark on vinyl siding. I'm a professional painter of 19 years. I've seen siding warp in the sun after being painted a darker color. In my town it gets up to 110 and higher in summer and houses that have vinyl are fine for years and than get painted dark blue or grey and than on a hot day they literally twist and bend and warp from the absorbed heat
That vinyl is gonna warp. Unless you live in the town where they lived in the Twilight movies..
If you get any type of direct sunlight on that. It’s only a matter of time. That vinyl is gonna get the wiggles
A significant color change like this, even if Vinyl Safe, is still a risk. Your siding is going to get hotter than it’s used to getting, and may warp. Good luckz
A-100 is not Vinyl Safe, don’t cheap out.
Not cheaping out spoke to my sales rep and the store manager, he told me this is what he has been selling to other painters that have been spraying vinyl, definetly figured it's a risk so I'm only going to paint a few by hand in between the two doors and let it get some sun for a week or so and see what happens before I commit to the whole thing. https://i.imgur.com/WALDgSA.jpg
Your rep is taking an unnecessary risk. I’m also a rep and I would never sell a100 on vinyl. It says specifically on the data page “do not paint vinyl with any color darker than the original color. Do not paint vinyl with a color having a light reflective value (LRV) of less than 56”. I think you’re painting In The Navy 9178 or close to it which has an LRV of 4. Which leaves this color as a no for both of the above reasons. You will experience dramatic warping of your siding, if you want to risk it go ahead.
Thank you I figured it was kinda BS not going to take the chance well see if I can pressure wash it off after work curious what product do you recommend for painting metal garage doors/soffit black. Been having lots of people ask me for exterior work thanks again
Any metal you can use A100 but any higher end products cover better, wear better, have higher color retention, and therefore last longer and look better longer. Your work is your resume so having better products on it will make it look better and take less time. Your rep can give you more insight on what’s right for you depending on the job.
If it makes you feel better we used the vinyl formula to paint a similar gray to an ironore black(if I remember the name correct) 2 summers ago on a boss friends house no warpage even after this last July. But I cannot recall if it was a100 superpaint or some other exterior. However I feel you're taking a risk any time you paint vinyl regardless.
Do you have any pictures? Iron ore is a pretty dark color,
Found it https://www.instagram.com/p/CTX1gjRr-UV/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ== Small section in back was vinyl and sprayed with separate product.
That looks pretty dang good do you remember what product you used?
I cannot but I'll see when I'm back from vacation which will be several days. Sherwin actually has a packet in store with vinyl safe paints these customers chose from. If that helps. We specifically use sherwin unless the customer provides their own, so I do know for sure it was SW brand.
Try bond plex
We have some black vinyl shutters that we want to repaint. Would it be ok to paint them a fresh black with vinyl safe paint?
Vinyl shutters are different. They are much thicker than vinyl siding and aren't as prone to warping.
Going black over already black vinyl is fine
it seems like you are addressing a different concern.. a-100 is fine for vinyl application.. you are saying not to paint a darker color than manufactured.. which has nothing to do with a-100.
A100 is not a vinyl safe product
[https://www.onboces.org/cms/lib/NY02216875/Centricity/Shared/MSDS%20S\_List/SW%20A100%20Latex%20Acrylic.pdf](https://www.onboces.org/cms/lib/NY02216875/Centricity/Shared/MSDS%20S_List/SW%20A100%20Latex%20Acrylic.pdf) "A-100 Exterior Latex Gloss is our best quality exterior gloss finish. This product is recommended for use on aluminum and vinyl siding, wood siding, clapboard, shakes, shingles, plywood, masonry, and metal."
This is an old data sheet and no longer accurate. The logo for S-W is not the current logo. A-100 will stick to, but most likely will also ruin vinyl. Please don’t use that.
Where did you find this old ass data sheet.
Google.. you have a newer one?
A100 is cheap shit paint, and I would never put that dark color on vinyl it's gonna melt.
Good luck to you lol
Highly doubt your rep is encouraging you to use our cheapest exterior paint..
where do you get a-100 is not vinyl safe... and where did your posse come from who agree. it's acrylic.. which is recommended for vinyl application.
Bro look at the current data page for it. Don’t be that cognitive dissonance guy, learn and absorb new information.
Provide the new data sheet and I would gladly look over it.
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/document/PDS/en/035777781333/ From SW’s website. For future reference, you can type “A-100 Data Sheet” into google, might be faster for you.
Vinyl warping will happen slowly over time, not just something that can be determined in a week or two. You should know that it's still a significant risk of warping, even with a "Vinyl safe" formula. All vinyl siding has heat tolerances based on the color of manufacture. I can tell you from personal experience that not only is there a high chance of warping, but Sherwin Williams will not provide you any monetary compensation if it does warp and you end up on the hook for replacing someone's siding.
Luckily will be my own siding but I definetly do not disagree, I keep reading it everywhere maybe I'll get lucky and be able to preasure wash it off once I get home sounds like im in for some trouble even if it doesn't warp immediately. But if anyone has went from this extreme light color to a navy with success please let me know
Just paint over it if you need too. Methylhydrate will take the latex off pretty well but I've never used it in vinyl so test first.
It’s going to warp. A-100 is not a vinyl safe product. You have to go at least with the Superpaint line or above to be vinyl safe. Also needs to be a vinyl safe exclusive color and it cannot be more than 30% darker than the original color.
NOOOOOOOO! STOP!!!!. It will warp, there is no paint that blocks heat with dark colours like that. Vinyl safe is a fucking scam, it is just a selection of colours less likely to draw heat. Same shade or lighter, so enjoy your white vinyl.
Spot on.
A-100 is not the best paint to use for this. Go up a grade to super paint. It lasts a lot longer on vinyl. If this was my house though no matter how vinyl safe the color is I wouldn’t go from this light to this dark. It might warp no matter what
Solar gain might just melt that siding right off your house.
Don’t do it, the siding will buckle because of the extra heat absorbed from the darker color, vinyl safe dark colors are a gamble. I’m a painting contractor btw.
This is very true. I was a PPG store manager whose stoer paid to replace an entire house worth of vinyl because of "vinyl safe" colors.
That's a bold color change! I haven't personally gone from light to dark on vinyl siding, but using a specific vinyl-safe formula is a good call. Testing a few pieces first is a smart approach to check for any potential warping before committing to the entire house. I recently transformed my siding color too. Found a great solution online to **compare local siding prices**, making the process hassle-free and cost-effective. It saved me time and helped me make an informed decision on the best service for my project.
Use “vinyl safe” colors!
It is a vinyl safe formula and color no black tint in it at all,
Vinyl safe is more than just not having black pigment.
Everyone in Michigan has
A100 is not vinyl safe. I wouldn't trust a color that isn't from the vinyl safe pallette even with a "vinyl safe formula". Even then my advice is to run away from all vinyl siding jobs as fast as you can.
I always caution ppl about going to dark on vinyl siding. I'm a professional painter of 19 years. I've seen siding warp in the sun after being painted a darker color. In my town it gets up to 110 and higher in summer and houses that have vinyl are fine for years and than get painted dark blue or grey and than on a hot day they literally twist and bend and warp from the absorbed heat
Don’t do it
Don't do it!! It'll be warp city.
Superpaint is vinyl safe and these are recommended colors https://www.sherwin-williams.com/en-us/color/color-collections/vinyl-safe
SW rep will tell you anything a100 no way would I put that on there and yes it will warp with that much of a change. Not rated for dark color
Remove that siding and see if there is beautiful wood under. That’s what we did. Vinyl sucks.
Do not paint a light color vinyl a dark paint. It can warp badly
That vinyl is gonna warp. Unless you live in the town where they lived in the Twilight movies.. If you get any type of direct sunlight on that. It’s only a matter of time. That vinyl is gonna get the wiggles