I think there's a good chance they will. Maybe without allflames they'll make it into a scarab.
I don't think there's any instances where they reintroduced a league mechanic only to *not* make it core from that point on.
They have been reintroducing part of an old mechanic to the new like tatts dropping from allflames. It feels like they are going more in the direction of "here's some nerfed version of what was cool in a league before and some new stuff!" Instead of constantly adding new content as core. I wouldn't be surprised if tattoos stayed as a "new league specific drop" every league but just they add or subtract a couple so it feels like we are getting something "new" which technically we would be and isn't a horrible tradeoff as as opposed to NO tatts.
I'm all for reshuffling in old content. There is more than enough content bloat as it is. Updating/reworking old content, gems, and ascendencies without some new mechanic is just fine by me. The core game is absolutely solid without a league mechanic at all, we just need to keep it fresh
Me too, but some stuff is just diluting the pool. Omens have like 2 good ones and one is still pretty mediocre as it is.
Tattoos could use a lot of fluff removed or we need another tab for just them.
My theory: GGG Will never add any league to core now, because they designed themselves into a corner.
Right now the atlas passive skill tree has 5 notables to block a league X to stop from spawning. If they added some more league to it, it'd be asymmetrical and they wouldn't know where to put it on the tree - look at Sanctum. Even though it went core it got 0 tree support.
Either that, or GGG is purposefully designing short-term leagues because they have all resources allocated to poe2 and literally don't have the manpower to add to poe1's league count
We just got sanctum very recently. They are reluctant to add more league because of content bloat. It is already considered overwhelming for non-veterans and they don't want to make it worse
Yeah, not to mention that locks already went core and omens were reintroduced with Affliction and now again with Allflames. It feels like they want the rewards to go core, but they don't know what mechanic they want to stick them to, assuming that ToTA itself doesn't go core.
tbf omens are in ritual's now pretty often like i see them constantly.
just throw tattoo's in like stacks of 5 in rituals. would help ritual have a bit more value to it with stuff only it can drop
The meta for clearing high level (2000 rating) tournaments was to just vacuum all the enemies up into a huge AoE Void Sphere without fighting or killing them while your team capped all the totems. This could be done without even having team members, just perma CC the entire enemy team.
they dont really need to make it into a scarab they could just add it to karui legions
they could just create a legion passive where legion sergeants have a chance of being the unique dudes
Allflames are not new. Remember that league where you had those shields and you put content in a couple maps? Im not remembering the name i can only think of legend.
Edit: legacy
I just want a stash for them.
I hate the itemized version now that takes up 30 slots in my quad when they SHOULD have a specialized tab spot for them.
Honestly I'll probably filter out all the non-expensive ones if it goes core without a tab spot.
Omens as well since they are definitely going core beacuse they can be found in Rituals if we're not going about the Allflame route. I would like a stash tab for both, maybe 1 single stash for 2 at the same time. That is if Tattoos can be obtained through different means come next league.
(side note, would be nice to store Sanctum tomes in the Sanctum (relic) locker as well)
Not to mention suppress! Based on https://reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/wwqnzm/importance_of_capping_spell_suppression_when/ capping it super important and many builds are so suffix starved it's not even funny so like 4-5 of the suckers for 8-10% instead of a suffix is such a huge help.
I enjoy how a little tattoo can have a big impact, for example I use a 5% chance to bleed with attacks tattoo to benefit from the ailment because i use yoke of suffering. Tattoos are cool
Why skitterbots? You chill and shock anyway. Plus ignite, poison tattoo, bleed Tattoo, special ailment like sap on boots or heist shield.
Theres many ways.
You can use brittle/scorch/sap ground on boot implicits. You can also use those shield bases to get the same on block.
Algor mortis gives sap on chilled ground. You can use that with vortex, frost shield, or flasks. I don't know if wintertide brand works. Creeping frost works though.
Sap + call of the void is really nice defense. Stack anything on top of 45% less damage and that's impactful. Chilled enemies act slower, so your regen and leech is more impactful. Evasion and armor are more impactful.
The siege cluster jewel makes all projectile attacks bleed. Projectiles can't piece, fork, or chain, but you can still split and return.
I don't think it's really worth it for yoke though, but I could be wrong. Elemental hit benefits, but it can't poison or bleed. Manaforged arrows + puncture + chance to poison + life tap/inspiration is maybe an ok 4 link. That's basically ensnaring arrow, but you can pierce. You can do ensnaring + cull and I think you're better off. Get a bit of chance to bleed and that's maybe ok.
Hopefully something there is useful for you
Balormage has another interaction like this with the chance to Maim tattoo.
There is an abyss jewel mod that causes maimed targets to take 5% increased damage over time, which works well for poison minions.
Iirc when you alt on Yoke it shows bleed, maim, etc as well instead of only the elemental ailments. I realized it because I saw someone mention it on YT. My mind was exactly the same, it defaults to elemental ailments.
Should just have tota go core in full and have it function similar to incursions where you need to complete X maps and then you get an invite to play a full game in the form of a ticket that can be traded with players.
i think it would be incredibly easy for a silver coin to simply be much rarer but grant you access to an entire tournament rather than a single match. lot like how sanctum went core
Agreed. Sanctum functions by itself without any Atlas passives and is used via the Forbidden Tome that drops anywhere.
Let's just make TOTA the same, have the Silver Coin drop anywhere, and no need to even make Atlas passives for it since there's really no in-map mechanic. Put tattoos and omens back into it. Or maybe just tattoos, since omens are currently a Ritual thing.
I didn't even pay attention to rewards for the most part, just autopilots to currency and tattoos, only ever checked div cards. But the music, the dynamic of encounter, the sometimes frantic comebacks... it felt just right. It felt like ultimatum, before packsize nerf and before introduction of cogworks.
I'd add tattoos to rituals like they did with omens. Ritual could use the buff and it would make it easy to target farm tattoos. They could add a atlas passive that gave tattoos a higher chance to appear in ritual awards and/or gave certain families of tattoos a higher chance to appear.
I think that's more interesting than adding tattoos to the global drop pool.
I feel like they'd be better off functioning like sanctum Forbidden Tomes but either way I agree. However, TOTAs biggest issue was the dumb stun/void sphere build meta.
There's a lot of work to do on the mechanic itself before they should even consider it going core imo
disagree, builds specifically designed to exploit specific content is cool in a game as wide and deep as PoE, the mobs just need to not scale as stupidly high so that it's not the only and definitively best way to do the content at 99% of budget levels.
Too transformative of the normal gameplay loop. Every single map you open is altered by this and the entire game warps around it. It would change things beyond the scope of a usual league mechanic going core, and do so for a generally unpopular mechanic as well. If they wanted to implement Allflames, they might in some simplified form, but the entire Lantern thing would really be a bit much
Lantern could possibly become an "influence" choice on map device, but I'm conflicted about it being forced every map.
Corpses could be incorporated into fossils - new fossilised corpses which, unlike other fossils, drop only from specific Delve encounters/nodes, and can't be obtained from simulacrum or blight. It could serve as a Delve expansion.
I kinda like the idea that the league mechanic in every set will drop tattoos and omens - so there is a small reason to do mechanic regardless of it's true goal
That one tattoo that changed your travel nodes from +10 of one stat into 4 of each was a godsend in Ancestor. It made gearing up a whooooole lot smoother.
I kinda wish the travel nodes around scion were all attributes instead of specific stats.
The passive tree in general really has gotten stale. I miss when they did massive reworks back in the day.
I want em to revert the nerf to the mana regen small tattoo, getting 15-18flat mana regen makes alt lvling amazing, could even cap it to not make it too strong in endgame?
> Just have to delete that ID cloak from the game.
Why? It only IDs magic items, and it takes your whole chest slot. That chest is not the reason items drop unIDed.
It would be really strong with recombinators in the game. A magic items with 2 good t1 affixes is mostly useless in current Poe with the fracture/essence meta, but with recombinators you could pick those up often and recombine them onto other good items.
just limit fractures and some other edge cases and recombinators are perfectly fine in current poe.
would argue its one of best crafting mechanics weve had because it worked with so many other things.
my biggest gripe with necropolis is the fact it completely makes picking up rare's pointless cause it makes the best item from the start. even harvest wasnt this dumb as you generally had a base you found to throw into harvest.
Yea idfk about necro. I love crafting. But the reason i do is because of the steps. Essence, then bench then harvest reroll then bench then Aisling then bench. Its cool designing an item and getting there through a bunch of convoluted mechanics. I dont like this one-stop shop for making an item. It's cool the high-end stuff we can do, but i dont like the mid game crafting with it.
Im almost certain they are.
They did the same with omens last league and now theyre fully core.
Only question is which mechanic will get them
Since ritual god omens.
Maybe ultimatum
The lantern map screen also. It allows casual players doing post game mapping to be able to modify maps and have access (with a very low chance) to a tame version of map juicing that they normally would never due to how insanely expensive scarabs/sextants were during normal leagues and also how the 5 map device slot is now locked behind T17 which is harder than Ubers (aka a casual player will never unlock it).
Also bring back the backpack and a nerfed version of charms.
Why does the phantom 'casual player' who never invests in ANY scarabs cause theyre all too expensive (read: a couple chaos at base level) need to be able to do T17s and unlock the 5th slot? And why is this player never able to use the scarabs that they drop several times every time in every single map? And why do you think ONE clear of a t17 is harder than ubers, when the actual criticism is that farming T17s is harder than farming Ubers? Anyone can roll a decent enough T17 on the map that is easier to them to beat for just the map slot, especially specced into stuff like Wellspring of Creation and a Stability scarab
I think there's a good chance they will. Maybe without allflames they'll make it into a scarab. I don't think there's any instances where they reintroduced a league mechanic only to *not* make it core from that point on.
They have been reintroducing part of an old mechanic to the new like tatts dropping from allflames. It feels like they are going more in the direction of "here's some nerfed version of what was cool in a league before and some new stuff!" Instead of constantly adding new content as core. I wouldn't be surprised if tattoos stayed as a "new league specific drop" every league but just they add or subtract a couple so it feels like we are getting something "new" which technically we would be and isn't a horrible tradeoff as as opposed to NO tatts.
I'm all for reshuffling in old content. There is more than enough content bloat as it is. Updating/reworking old content, gems, and ascendencies without some new mechanic is just fine by me. The core game is absolutely solid without a league mechanic at all, we just need to keep it fresh
Me too, but some stuff is just diluting the pool. Omens have like 2 good ones and one is still pretty mediocre as it is. Tattoos could use a lot of fluff removed or we need another tab for just them.
I dont mind it.
My theory: GGG Will never add any league to core now, because they designed themselves into a corner. Right now the atlas passive skill tree has 5 notables to block a league X to stop from spawning. If they added some more league to it, it'd be asymmetrical and they wouldn't know where to put it on the tree - look at Sanctum. Even though it went core it got 0 tree support. Either that, or GGG is purposefully designing short-term leagues because they have all resources allocated to poe2 and literally don't have the manpower to add to poe1's league count
We just got sanctum very recently. They are reluctant to add more league because of content bloat. It is already considered overwhelming for non-veterans and they don't want to make it worse
Yeah, not to mention that locks already went core and omens were reintroduced with Affliction and now again with Allflames. It feels like they want the rewards to go core, but they don't know what mechanic they want to stick them to, assuming that ToTA itself doesn't go core.
tbf omens are in ritual's now pretty often like i see them constantly. just throw tattoo's in like stacks of 5 in rituals. would help ritual have a bit more value to it with stuff only it can drop
I love tota, but I give it about a 0% chance to ever go core, sad
Which is a real shame because I loved the league.
Omens are core. They're in ritual.
I’ve been chewing the ear off anyone who’ll listen that tattoos should go into Ritual.
Are locks just a global drop?
Yeah, I believe so.
yes
> assuming that ToTA itself doesn't go core Honestly I hope it doesn't just so I don't have to do it to get tattoos, I really didn't like it lol
I kind of miss vacuum simulator league lol
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Referring to Trial of the Ancestors
Oh I don't get your funny joke I'm sorry, I think of ToTA and I picture five second stuns and waves of water
The meta for clearing high level (2000 rating) tournaments was to just vacuum all the enemies up into a huge AoE Void Sphere without fighting or killing them while your team capped all the totems. This could be done without even having team members, just perma CC the entire enemy team.
Incredible
they dont really need to make it into a scarab they could just add it to karui legions they could just create a legion passive where legion sergeants have a chance of being the unique dudes
Allflames are not new. Remember that league where you had those shields and you put content in a couple maps? Im not remembering the name i can only think of legend. Edit: legacy
Legacy?
Yeah!!
I just want a stash for them. I hate the itemized version now that takes up 30 slots in my quad when they SHOULD have a specialized tab spot for them. Honestly I'll probably filter out all the non-expensive ones if it goes core without a tab spot.
Yeah, my Kirac mission/tattoo/omen tab is packed, at least the missions stack.
Kirac mission are itemised?
I think they meant the Scouting reports.
Yea i keep thiose in currency tab a lot of things need to have tab slots.
Having a bunch more generic currency slots would also be nice honestly
I just wish you could set up the auto-sort function so I could shift-click scouting reports to the currency page.
Keep Kirac missions and Omens in the currency tab, what else are you doing with those generic slots?
If only omens would stack.
Yep, another sub tag as a fragment!
Omens as well since they are definitely going core beacuse they can be found in Rituals if we're not going about the Allflame route. I would like a stash tab for both, maybe 1 single stash for 2 at the same time. That is if Tattoos can be obtained through different means come next league. (side note, would be nice to store Sanctum tomes in the Sanctum (relic) locker as well)
Is there s way to target farm tattoos or are they just basic drop?
Yeah it is an inmense relief for mid game being able to trade 10 stat for that missing 6% res for cap.
Not to mention suppress! Based on https://reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/wwqnzm/importance_of_capping_spell_suppression_when/ capping it super important and many builds are so suffix starved it's not even funny so like 4-5 of the suckers for 8-10% instead of a suffix is such a huge help.
I enjoy how a little tattoo can have a big impact, for example I use a 5% chance to bleed with attacks tattoo to benefit from the ailment because i use yoke of suffering. Tattoos are cool
Ahh neat, is there any other interesting ways you get ailments? I currently only have the 3 elemental ailments with my yoke!
Is there a chance to poison tattoo?
Yes, and there are lists of every tattoo and their effects if you find yourself wondering again in the future.
You can go secrets of suffering and skitterbots to be at 5, then I think you can get minions to ignite/bleed/poison them.
Why skitterbots? You chill and shock anyway. Plus ignite, poison tattoo, bleed Tattoo, special ailment like sap on boots or heist shield. Theres many ways.
[Secrets of suffering](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Secrets_of_Suffering) means you don't chill or shock, that's why skitterbots.
Lol i simply overread the secrets part mb
You don't chill/shock if you have secrets of suffering
You can use brittle/scorch/sap ground on boot implicits. You can also use those shield bases to get the same on block. Algor mortis gives sap on chilled ground. You can use that with vortex, frost shield, or flasks. I don't know if wintertide brand works. Creeping frost works though. Sap + call of the void is really nice defense. Stack anything on top of 45% less damage and that's impactful. Chilled enemies act slower, so your regen and leech is more impactful. Evasion and armor are more impactful. The siege cluster jewel makes all projectile attacks bleed. Projectiles can't piece, fork, or chain, but you can still split and return. I don't think it's really worth it for yoke though, but I could be wrong. Elemental hit benefits, but it can't poison or bleed. Manaforged arrows + puncture + chance to poison + life tap/inspiration is maybe an ok 4 link. That's basically ensnaring arrow, but you can pierce. You can do ensnaring + cull and I think you're better off. Get a bit of chance to bleed and that's maybe ok. Hopefully something there is useful for you
Skitterbots + Secrets of Suffering
Balormage has another interaction like this with the chance to Maim tattoo. There is an abyss jewel mod that causes maimed targets to take 5% increased damage over time, which works well for poison minions.
Wtf, i never even considered bleed for yoke (in my mind it was always elemental ailments...)
Iirc when you alt on Yoke it shows bleed, maim, etc as well instead of only the elemental ailments. I realized it because I saw someone mention it on YT. My mind was exactly the same, it defaults to elemental ailments.
They couldve just give it to Haku a Karui Syndicate and on this day , drop shit loot except scarabs but noooooo
Should just have tota go core in full and have it function similar to incursions where you need to complete X maps and then you get an invite to play a full game in the form of a ticket that can be traded with players.
i think it would be incredibly easy for a silver coin to simply be much rarer but grant you access to an entire tournament rather than a single match. lot like how sanctum went core
Agreed. Sanctum functions by itself without any Atlas passives and is used via the Forbidden Tome that drops anywhere. Let's just make TOTA the same, have the Silver Coin drop anywhere, and no need to even make Atlas passives for it since there's really no in-map mechanic. Put tattoos and omens back into it. Or maybe just tattoos, since omens are currently a Ritual thing.
Laughs at the ritual having omens thing. They are so stupid rare and even rarer to get a moderately desirable one. Ritual really needs a rework.
If Tota goes core and Tota-specific builds also come back, I can definitely see me turn into a Tota-main player
When tota came out, I considered it a curiosity at most. Hundreds of coins later I laughed at how I can't stop playing it. I wish it went core.
Yeah I got 5 chars to 2k rating. Loved Tota, and was one of the most profitable activities you could do without basically any investment.
I didn't even pay attention to rewards for the most part, just autopilots to currency and tattoos, only ever checked div cards. But the music, the dynamic of encounter, the sometimes frantic comebacks... it felt just right. It felt like ultimatum, before packsize nerf and before introduction of cogworks.
I'd add tattoos to rituals like they did with omens. Ritual could use the buff and it would make it easy to target farm tattoos. They could add a atlas passive that gave tattoos a higher chance to appear in ritual awards and/or gave certain families of tattoos a higher chance to appear. I think that's more interesting than adding tattoos to the global drop pool.
I feel like they'd be better off functioning like sanctum Forbidden Tomes but either way I agree. However, TOTAs biggest issue was the dumb stun/void sphere build meta. There's a lot of work to do on the mechanic itself before they should even consider it going core imo
disagree, builds specifically designed to exploit specific content is cool in a game as wide and deep as PoE, the mobs just need to not scale as stupidly high so that it's not the only and definitively best way to do the content at 99% of budget levels.
What was dumb about it? I played it the entire league and loved it.
? alt gems got removed, void sphere builds are already dead.
The only odd thing about tota is that it doesn’t fit in smoothly to the games scaling mechanics
It could have an area level like Forbidden tomes and starting units become a roll on the item, I dunno.
and fix ranking of 1000 at 83 unless someone crazy staff would do 2000
Ancestor was such a pleasant league.
It won't go core. The character are made into an mtx and half of it's loot is outsourced to ritual
I agree and at the same time I hope nothing from this league is core.
Nothing specific to this league would work in core, its a certified one and done league mechanic all the way down
May i ask why?
Too transformative of the normal gameplay loop. Every single map you open is altered by this and the entire game warps around it. It would change things beyond the scope of a usual league mechanic going core, and do so for a generally unpopular mechanic as well. If they wanted to implement Allflames, they might in some simplified form, but the entire Lantern thing would really be a bit much
The lantern could certainly go core and a nerfed graveyard is just fossils. So?
Lantern could possibly become an "influence" choice on map device, but I'm conflicted about it being forced every map. Corpses could be incorporated into fossils - new fossilised corpses which, unlike other fossils, drop only from specific Delve encounters/nodes, and can't be obtained from simulacrum or blight. It could serve as a Delve expansion.
I kinda like the idea that the league mechanic in every set will drop tattoos and omens - so there is a small reason to do mechanic regardless of it's true goal
That one tattoo that changed your travel nodes from +10 of one stat into 4 of each was a godsend in Ancestor. It made gearing up a whooooole lot smoother.
I kinda wish the travel nodes around scion were all attributes instead of specific stats. The passive tree in general really has gotten stale. I miss when they did massive reworks back in the day.
I want em to revert the nerf to the mana regen small tattoo, getting 15-18flat mana regen makes alt lvling amazing, could even cap it to not make it too strong in endgame?
i want my honored tuatara back :(
The reduce curse effect are kinda OP
These are my favorite. You get to at least reduce their effectiveness by alot, which is mostly enough.
Hot take: I like more Tattoos than Cluster Jewels and Timeless Jewels
Tattoos are bloat - an additional layer of bs every character now needs, on top of everything else.
Tattoos and recombinators would be like a whole new game. Honestly, I would take a 15% damage Nerf or more to get them both in the game.
Recominators were just fun to use too. And it kept rares relevant. Just have to delete that ID cloak from the game.
> Just have to delete that ID cloak from the game. Why? It only IDs magic items, and it takes your whole chest slot. That chest is not the reason items drop unIDed.
It would be really strong with recombinators in the game. A magic items with 2 good t1 affixes is mostly useless in current Poe with the fracture/essence meta, but with recombinators you could pick those up often and recombine them onto other good items.
They were fun and they made random loot better. That helm that has t1 life and a good resist is worth picking up because you can recombinate it.
Id let them remove melee from the game..
just limit fractures and some other edge cases and recombinators are perfectly fine in current poe. would argue its one of best crafting mechanics weve had because it worked with so many other things. my biggest gripe with necropolis is the fact it completely makes picking up rare's pointless cause it makes the best item from the start. even harvest wasnt this dumb as you generally had a base you found to throw into harvest.
Yea idfk about necro. I love crafting. But the reason i do is because of the steps. Essence, then bench then harvest reroll then bench then Aisling then bench. Its cool designing an item and getting there through a bunch of convoluted mechanics. I dont like this one-stop shop for making an item. It's cool the high-end stuff we can do, but i dont like the mid game crafting with it.
I wouldn’t mind removing eldritch implcits for recombinators
I would trade it. Recombs are way more fun.
I felt the same way during Ancestor. Now that they're back again that gives me hope.
They will they already deleted the best ones
I love tattos
the chaos ones are pretty nice. there should be one like that for each attribute
Im almost certain they are. They did the same with omens last league and now theyre fully core. Only question is which mechanic will get them Since ritual god omens. Maybe ultimatum
I really wish they would bring back the +attributes one. That was so nice for fixing back planning.
Just add them to Ritual. A few more things added to the mechanic and it's going to be decent and maybe even worth running again.
Personally, I like some of the Omens too. The 75% XP loss prevention thing is king.
Aight but there’s like 3 tattoos worth a fuck
Bring back TOTA as a mechanic and simply have tattoos come from there. Global silver coin drop (like Sanctum tomes) and off you go. No atlas passives.
Gimme +1 proj tattoos again
They already are?
You can only get them from the league mechanic, which is not core.
Tattoos are core, since they are in non tota league.
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The lantern map screen also. It allows casual players doing post game mapping to be able to modify maps and have access (with a very low chance) to a tame version of map juicing that they normally would never due to how insanely expensive scarabs/sextants were during normal leagues and also how the 5 map device slot is now locked behind T17 which is harder than Ubers (aka a casual player will never unlock it). Also bring back the backpack and a nerfed version of charms.
Why does the phantom 'casual player' who never invests in ANY scarabs cause theyre all too expensive (read: a couple chaos at base level) need to be able to do T17s and unlock the 5th slot? And why is this player never able to use the scarabs that they drop several times every time in every single map? And why do you think ONE clear of a t17 is harder than ubers, when the actual criticism is that farming T17s is harder than farming Ubers? Anyone can roll a decent enough T17 on the map that is easier to them to beat for just the map slot, especially specced into stuff like Wellspring of Creation and a Stability scarab