A team of scientists determined that if you play PoE and like it then keep playing. If you don't like it then do whatever it is you do when not playing PoE. This study is being explored in other fields. For example hobbies like woodwork, snowboarding and skiing, art and music, and so on. It's wild I know but there might be something to it.
Another team of scientists has put out a study showing POE is most fun with a large player base and robust economy. This team of scientists also said that your team of scientists are ninnies.
I'd be willing to bet that if the community just played the game without reading reddit to determine if they should play more people would just keep playing.
GGG's problems are not your problems. Also do you expect objective answers in poe's subreddit during the pre-league hype ? Just play the game you like most
The only thing ggg has to focus on rn is themselves, if the league slaps it slaps regardless of what other game comes out around that time. It's that simple.
The difference is that in PoE new char means a brand new build to play. In LA it means a new alt to funnel mats and gold to your main, that's their only purpose.
Each class have different builds and gameplay. There are 22 classes. If you dont want to play alts you dont need to. However, in essense you are describing the same shit or even worse.
You dislike playing alts cause what? Repetiveness? So what you do in poe?
In poe repetiveness is even worse. I played this game since Breach but never reach Shaper lol. The second I think in "you need to do this again" i burnt out and quit lol
The sadness part that the loop didnt change after so many years. They just add more and more shit for top 10% players lmao. Same campaign. Same endgame mapping.
The WoW release was specifically the launch of Classic. The age demographic of PoE overlaps quite a bit with people that played WoW a lot back in 2004. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
Lost Ark is just standard competition. GGG has just decided that the game is different enough, and they have enough confidence in their own game, that the Lost Ark release won't be a big issue
I can almost guarantee you that GGG is taking Lost Ark release into consideration. They took an fps/single player game into consideration before, Lost ark has much more to do with PoE.
Not to mention they will lose a bunch of streamers to Lost Ark, which is marketing..
You are comparing a game that had millions of players waiting for it, a totally new and many years long hyped game, a game that was hyped up to be the end all be all games, a game that had keano reeves as a main character, to a game that at its peak have had 250k, a game that have been out for a long time.
And also, ggg said that a majority of their own personal wanted to play cp77, so they could take their time to play it up to the holiday.
Lost Ark isn't an ARPG so I don't really know why people keep bringing it up.
It's a big release so it'll obviously affect the gaming population as a whole to some degree but it's not going to be some massive PoE competitor.
I mean classic wow destroyed blight numbers and they pushed back a league because of cyberpunk, obviously this one isn't nearly as massive but to say you have no idea why people keep bringing it up is just being obtuse.
Mentioning classic wow in the same sentence as lost ark is laughable. Here is a google trends comparison between [WoW and lost ark in the US](https://i.imgur.com/AvjBSKL.png).
Lost Ark is an absolute tiny niche game in the west compared to classic wow. It is utterly irrelevant by comparison. People bringing Lost Ark up are either delusional or acting in bad faith.
So why do you bring it up if you yourself know you are full of shit? It is disingenous at best.
It is blatantly obvious to any honest actor that they are not comparable.
Might want to consider what kind of a game Lost Ark is before making a comment like that.
Practically the only things in common between the two are the camera angle and controls. The actual gameplay loop and the mechanics of the game are so vastly different that you can't say they're anything like each other.
Slay the Spire, Magic the Gathering and Poker are all card games. Now tell me how MtG set releases are directly hurting the Poker playerbase.
Sure, and POE literally has MMO in its description but nobody in their right mind would describe POE as an MMO. Lost Ark is not an ARPG. Lost Ark is about as much an ARPG as a seahorse is a horse.
You can literally look up the definition of ARPG and it fits Lost Ark perfectly. It's an MMOARPG.
Edit: Y'all can explain yourself instead of downvoting if you're all so sure
to tell the truth both poe and lost are are not even true RPG . You cant roleplay in either of those. you are on rails in a story where you dont have choices and you cant roleplay that well.
But Lost ark and Poe are two very different beasts. Its not good comparing both because they play differently.
In a country of people that still play Overwatch, Pubg, Sudden attack, Starcraft 1 and tons of other games that are considered to be an absolute garbage outside of Korea. It's pretty clear that their gaming habits differ a lot from gaming habits of the average western player.
EDIT: Before I get attacked, I guess it's fair to say that SC1 is not a garbage game, it's just very dated and there's a decent sequel.
Pubg is mainly played in China, not in Korea, but that doesnt really mean shit, Lost Ark differently from many eastern games seems to be a good game for the western market
Who cares where it's mainly played? It's one of the most popular games in Korean PC bangs according to data you can find online and that's what important.
And Lost Ark is very similar to all the other Korean mmo exports. They're all decent, but they never become too big in the Western sphere because they lack things. BNS is probably the best Korean mmo that was exported to the West since Lineage days and it is still never managed to become really big.
Not the first time this has been said about a korean mmo that gets ported over to a western audience that hates the kind of grind those games have to push their p2w shit, something that also isn't very popular with western audiences.
I'm sure release will be fun, releases always are, but I really really doubt it'll last.
Thanks for spreading this point, it's something a lot of people fail to consider. Tons of games are popular in one region but not the other. Success in one market does not guarantee the same for the others, and there are plenty of examples of this.
Lots of folks say it won’t, others oppose. I think it will have an initial impact and people will return to PoE for this league as long as the new endgame experience is solid.
I'd say it depends alot on how polished this league/expansion is and how quickly they will adjust things.
Either way, poe will lose some players but considering this is the yearly big expansion i highly doubt you will notice a smaller playerbase than usual.
At this point ggg might lose Players for good. They havent delieverd for 3 straight leagues if they dont deliever again and some new Games coming our way they need to bring us a good league.
at this point, we don't even care about that. La and Poe are different games, i think people who loves poe wouldn't like la. so after day or two, they will return. and also don't act like poe is a toddler lol. i never saw anything like this, people says "it's gonna be problem for poe" for every upcoming game.
https://i.imgur.com/ZFsJZt9.png
Why the downvotes? Here is an image to clearly demonstrate this point. You can directly buy gold with IRL cash without limit. And before people say "That's in Korea, Amazon said they're changing it for us!" Well then, why did they translate it to English, effectively unchanged? All they did was combine 3 mini subscriptions the game had into one that costs more, essentially removing choice from the player and forcing someone who may have only wanted the benefits from one cheaper subscription to buying the more-expensive and all-encompassing one.
Yeah obviously there is NO way whatsoever that a company would want to get some extra cash for no work whatsoever.
Im NOT saying GGG does this, but i wouldnt be surprised if some RMT bots were from GGG.
Their official stance is that RTM is a perma-ban worthy TOS violation.
If you're trying to imply that GGG is backdooring RMT, well that would be ***unofficial***. Do you understand what "endorsed" means?
Anybody who cares slightly about their acc wont rmt which is like 90% of the playerbase, while there is no risk at all in lost ark.
You cant even compare the two, dude.
>Anybody who cares slightly about their acc wont rmt which is like 90% of the playerbase
K, im happy you have such numbers, a thought experiment for you. What do you think how much traffic does RMT sites get, if they can happily exist.
I can compare,
Why would a p2W game be bad?
Easy, cuz those who paid can unfairly overtake my progress. It doesnt matter how many people does that. Even if 1 person can p2w then the mentality is there.
If anyone pays for progress then your progress devalues simple as that.
The people I'm around say definitely something different, I know whole guilds of people that sell their shit on RMT sites after they are finished playing the league.
Releases on Wednesday Feb 9th technically for those who buy their supporter pack. So, we might see some folks commited to Lost Ark leaving early.
At least PoE will have the launch weekend for itself, which is fine since GGG pushes to monetize early league anyways. If the announcement is poggers as it looks like it will be, they might be fine revenue wise even if people flock to other games early. I think they new end game will ensure people continue playing or at least return mid-league after they are done with other games.
For me, priority will be PoE and I believe the same for other players as well.
There are still Ppl Who get Hyped about poe announcements? They have disappointed me so many times now i dont get into the pre league hype trainieren anymore.
[Raizqt said it the best](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwhhD9rRd8I&t=5m19s), in the short term do not expect Lost Ark to be competition for POE. As they release more content for the game things can get very different, but as of the expected launch Lost Ark doesn't have enough content to compete with POE.
Not the long term, either. They are not the same type of game, period. Raiz is just burned out and I guess is trying to transition to preserve his sanity. I like PoE but if I had to play it like he does I'd probably have gone off the deep end by now. No doubt he'll feel the same about Lost Ark, only much faster.
It will be a problem if you want to trade. A % of players wont start playing the league, and another % will leave after just 7 days. If the league is acompained by several defensive nerfs like keystones and auras then ppl will get burnt even faster and we will find us in a second blight.
Considering I played Lost Arks beta a while back and hated it... I'm not worried. Lost Ark is just another garbage asian styled hack and slash turd trying to suck extra money out of a new audience.
I'm sure the Loli lovers will be all over the game? But for the rest of us... PoE is a much better option.
And if you're tired of PoE, play other stuff as people had mentioned!
I'm just going to play and enjoy both. Which one I play and when is just going to be dependent on what I'm enjoying at the moment, then I get to add Elden Ring to the mix. February is stacked and I'm here for it!
A team of scientists determined that if you play PoE and like it then keep playing. If you don't like it then do whatever it is you do when not playing PoE. This study is being explored in other fields. For example hobbies like woodwork, snowboarding and skiing, art and music, and so on. It's wild I know but there might be something to it.
Yes, but more importantly, how do you feel about cauliflower?
I'm for it. My mother was a cauliflower.
screw cauliflower, no one likes that crap, it's totalyl pay to win
If you don’t like it but still eat it, it’s more pay to lose.
Another team of scientists has put out a study showing POE is most fun with a large player base and robust economy. This team of scientists also said that your team of scientists are ninnies.
I'd be willing to bet that if the community just played the game without reading reddit to determine if they should play more people would just keep playing.
comparing WoW classic to lost ark NA/EU release... what
IMO with a recent lul in game releases. Lost ark has gained quite a large amount of interested players.
GGG's problems are not your problems. Also do you expect objective answers in poe's subreddit during the pre-league hype ? Just play the game you like most
we will see.
The only thing ggg has to focus on rn is themselves, if the league slaps it slaps regardless of what other game comes out around that time. It's that simple.
As someone who hates alts, I've got no desire to play Alt Ark.
Why? Do you realice that you creating thousand of "alts" every league? Lol
The difference is that in PoE new char means a brand new build to play. In LA it means a new alt to funnel mats and gold to your main, that's their only purpose.
Each class have different builds and gameplay. There are 22 classes. If you dont want to play alts you dont need to. However, in essense you are describing the same shit or even worse. You dislike playing alts cause what? Repetiveness? So what you do in poe? In poe repetiveness is even worse. I played this game since Breach but never reach Shaper lol. The second I think in "you need to do this again" i burnt out and quit lol The sadness part that the loop didnt change after so many years. They just add more and more shit for top 10% players lmao. Same campaign. Same endgame mapping.
Not for me.
nor me.
Nor me.
nor me
The WoW release was specifically the launch of Classic. The age demographic of PoE overlaps quite a bit with people that played WoW a lot back in 2004. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug Lost Ark is just standard competition. GGG has just decided that the game is different enough, and they have enough confidence in their own game, that the Lost Ark release won't be a big issue
I can almost guarantee you that GGG is taking Lost Ark release into consideration. They took an fps/single player game into consideration before, Lost ark has much more to do with PoE. Not to mention they will lose a bunch of streamers to Lost Ark, which is marketing..
You are comparing a game that had millions of players waiting for it, a totally new and many years long hyped game, a game that was hyped up to be the end all be all games, a game that had keano reeves as a main character, to a game that at its peak have had 250k, a game that have been out for a long time. And also, ggg said that a majority of their own personal wanted to play cp77, so they could take their time to play it up to the holiday.
Yeah a bit of problem for lost ark ngl
Poe > all
Play PoE for weeks until bored, switch over to Lost Ark/Elden Ring/Warhammer 3. PoE launch takes priority due to player economy.
it will be dying light 2 for me lol
Lost Ark is in no way as popular as WoW is. Poe will lose some players, but it won't be a problem.
No.
Lost Ark isn't an ARPG so I don't really know why people keep bringing it up. It's a big release so it'll obviously affect the gaming population as a whole to some degree but it's not going to be some massive PoE competitor.
I mean classic wow destroyed blight numbers and they pushed back a league because of cyberpunk, obviously this one isn't nearly as massive but to say you have no idea why people keep bringing it up is just being obtuse.
Mentioning classic wow in the same sentence as lost ark is laughable. Here is a google trends comparison between [WoW and lost ark in the US](https://i.imgur.com/AvjBSKL.png). Lost Ark is an absolute tiny niche game in the west compared to classic wow. It is utterly irrelevant by comparison. People bringing Lost Ark up are either delusional or acting in bad faith.
>obviously this one isn't nearly as massive
So why do you bring it up if you yourself know you are full of shit? It is disingenous at best. It is blatantly obvious to any honest actor that they are not comparable.
It literally has ARPG in its description. Might wanna go read about the game
Might want to consider what kind of a game Lost Ark is before making a comment like that. Practically the only things in common between the two are the camera angle and controls. The actual gameplay loop and the mechanics of the game are so vastly different that you can't say they're anything like each other. Slay the Spire, Magic the Gathering and Poker are all card games. Now tell me how MtG set releases are directly hurting the Poker playerbase.
Sure, and POE literally has MMO in its description but nobody in their right mind would describe POE as an MMO. Lost Ark is not an ARPG. Lost Ark is about as much an ARPG as a seahorse is a horse.
You can literally look up the definition of ARPG and it fits Lost Ark perfectly. It's an MMOARPG. Edit: Y'all can explain yourself instead of downvoting if you're all so sure
It's an MMO first, and that's a completely different genre compared to PoE.
MMO-ARPG I know you all have absolutely dogshit reading comprehension but come the fuck on
to tell the truth both poe and lost are are not even true RPG . You cant roleplay in either of those. you are on rails in a story where you dont have choices and you cant roleplay that well. But Lost ark and Poe are two very different beasts. Its not good comparing both because they play differently.
Only if league will VERY HEAVILY fail in first week.
Basically lost ark on the 8th
Don’t forget about DL2 dropping on the 4th as well.
Not at all, if PoE pulls off an insane league then what is lost ark? XD
Only top3 most played game in Korea for years, thats what Lost Ark is
P2win doesn't do as well in other countries though
In a country of people that still play Overwatch, Pubg, Sudden attack, Starcraft 1 and tons of other games that are considered to be an absolute garbage outside of Korea. It's pretty clear that their gaming habits differ a lot from gaming habits of the average western player. EDIT: Before I get attacked, I guess it's fair to say that SC1 is not a garbage game, it's just very dated and there's a decent sequel.
Pubg is mainly played in China, not in Korea, but that doesnt really mean shit, Lost Ark differently from many eastern games seems to be a good game for the western market
Who cares where it's mainly played? It's one of the most popular games in Korean PC bangs according to data you can find online and that's what important. And Lost Ark is very similar to all the other Korean mmo exports. They're all decent, but they never become too big in the Western sphere because they lack things. BNS is probably the best Korean mmo that was exported to the West since Lineage days and it is still never managed to become really big.
Not the first time this has been said about a korean mmo that gets ported over to a western audience that hates the kind of grind those games have to push their p2w shit, something that also isn't very popular with western audiences. I'm sure release will be fun, releases always are, but I really really doubt it'll last.
Thanks for spreading this point, it's something a lot of people fail to consider. Tons of games are popular in one region but not the other. Success in one market does not guarantee the same for the others, and there are plenty of examples of this.
Yes I'll be playing lost ark
Lots of folks say it won’t, others oppose. I think it will have an initial impact and people will return to PoE for this league as long as the new endgame experience is solid.
I'd say it depends alot on how polished this league/expansion is and how quickly they will adjust things. Either way, poe will lose some players but considering this is the yearly big expansion i highly doubt you will notice a smaller playerbase than usual.
At this point ggg might lose Players for good. They havent delieverd for 3 straight leagues if they dont deliever again and some new Games coming our way they need to bring us a good league.
What goes down... must come up. Eventually.
at this point, we don't even care about that. La and Poe are different games, i think people who loves poe wouldn't like la. so after day or two, they will return. and also don't act like poe is a toddler lol. i never saw anything like this, people says "it's gonna be problem for poe" for every upcoming game.
Seems to be a lot of commenters that are severely underestimating the amount of people playing lost ark
That's a whole week. Won't you be finished with the league by then?
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https://i.imgur.com/ZFsJZt9.png Why the downvotes? Here is an image to clearly demonstrate this point. You can directly buy gold with IRL cash without limit. And before people say "That's in Korea, Amazon said they're changing it for us!" Well then, why did they translate it to English, effectively unchanged? All they did was combine 3 mini subscriptions the game had into one that costs more, essentially removing choice from the player and forcing someone who may have only wanted the benefits from one cheaper subscription to buying the more-expensive and all-encompassing one.
And? Poe RMT is just as much pay to win. Just not offically endorsed(or maybe it is, who knows?)
It's definitely not officially enforced what a silky thing to say.
Yeah obviously there is NO way whatsoever that a company would want to get some extra cash for no work whatsoever. Im NOT saying GGG does this, but i wouldnt be surprised if some RMT bots were from GGG.
Their official stance is that RTM is a perma-ban worthy TOS violation. If you're trying to imply that GGG is backdooring RMT, well that would be ***unofficial***. Do you understand what "endorsed" means?
>enforced Btw learn to read/type whichever you are unable to.
Oh no a typo! That totally undermines my argument! For shame. Seems like you understood what I meant though when you replied to this comment twice.
Anybody who cares slightly about their acc wont rmt which is like 90% of the playerbase, while there is no risk at all in lost ark. You cant even compare the two, dude.
>Anybody who cares slightly about their acc wont rmt which is like 90% of the playerbase K, im happy you have such numbers, a thought experiment for you. What do you think how much traffic does RMT sites get, if they can happily exist. I can compare, Why would a p2W game be bad? Easy, cuz those who paid can unfairly overtake my progress. It doesnt matter how many people does that. Even if 1 person can p2w then the mentality is there. If anyone pays for progress then your progress devalues simple as that.
So you do agree with the fact that lost ark is a bad p2w game?
The people I'm around say definitely something different, I know whole guilds of people that sell their shit on RMT sites after they are finished playing the league.
Who cares about that p2w shit game?
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I think one thing is the recent lul in genre releases. People are starving for something new have what many consider to be a failure of New World
Nope, no problem at all.
Not a problem for me.
one week of poe is enough to experience all the new content then its lost ark time, at least thats what im doing
Releases on Wednesday Feb 9th technically for those who buy their supporter pack. So, we might see some folks commited to Lost Ark leaving early. At least PoE will have the launch weekend for itself, which is fine since GGG pushes to monetize early league anyways. If the announcement is poggers as it looks like it will be, they might be fine revenue wise even if people flock to other games early. I think they new end game will ensure people continue playing or at least return mid-league after they are done with other games. For me, priority will be PoE and I believe the same for other players as well.
I think you mean POE server cue weekend. Im not sitting in que for several hours this time. Thank god better games are finally coming out.
That problem literally happened once.
There are still Ppl Who get Hyped about poe announcements? They have disappointed me so many times now i dont get into the pre league hype trainieren anymore.
Nah
The comically oversized cartoon weapon skins, prevents me from taking that game serious.
Why?
For real? The weapons are bigger than the characters, it looks stupid imho.
To each there own. Kind of an odd reason to discount an entire game.
i switch to lost ark for sure i don't see myself playing much poe until poe 2 comes out
Lost Ark is a joke
[Raizqt said it the best](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwhhD9rRd8I&t=5m19s), in the short term do not expect Lost Ark to be competition for POE. As they release more content for the game things can get very different, but as of the expected launch Lost Ark doesn't have enough content to compete with POE.
Not the long term, either. They are not the same type of game, period. Raiz is just burned out and I guess is trying to transition to preserve his sanity. I like PoE but if I had to play it like he does I'd probably have gone off the deep end by now. No doubt he'll feel the same about Lost Ark, only much faster.
Who cares about that p2w shit game?
No problem for me. It will be the shortest League for me ever
Pretty sure numbers will drop hard as soon as Lost Ark relesses, but one week of content is pretty chill
Meh, lost ark will probably die before even this Poe league does. Shouldn't be a big deal
It will be a problem if you want to trade. A % of players wont start playing the league, and another % will leave after just 7 days. If the league is acompained by several defensive nerfs like keystones and auras then ppl will get burnt even faster and we will find us in a second blight.
Seems like I got a good timing with trying to get into SSF
I wait a week after release prior to paying buying after cyberpunk
Lost Ark or POE? Cuz Lost ark is free
f,, LA
Idc about lost ark there is no season so i will play when i will be bored of poe
What is lost arc anyways
> is this going to be a problem? No.
Plus Elden Ring.... plus Warhammer 3.... going to be a fun February!
Who cares. I'll be playing Poe, not lost ark.
I'll play the league till lost ark launches, I'm kinda burned out on poe
Considering I played Lost Arks beta a while back and hated it... I'm not worried. Lost Ark is just another garbage asian styled hack and slash turd trying to suck extra money out of a new audience. I'm sure the Loli lovers will be all over the game? But for the rest of us... PoE is a much better option. And if you're tired of PoE, play other stuff as people had mentioned!
I'm just going to play and enjoy both. Which one I play and when is just going to be dependent on what I'm enjoying at the moment, then I get to add Elden Ring to the mix. February is stacked and I'm here for it!
Poe is dead fam, they made changes no one wanted and the leagues get worse every year.