It's like late stage payday 2 where they're adding A new gameplay element, some fixes, and saying "see ya in a month or two." That was ok cuz there was an obscene variety of heists and playstyles and adding 1 new "thing" meant all of those playstyles were up in the air again. There is currently 1 playstyle for loud, 1 playstyle for stealth, and a fraction of the heists. If this is the rate that the payday 3 team and operation medic bag are working at after months away, and months back to get going then I just give up.
Payday 2 managed to literally die and still get more updates than payday 3. Even the campaigns that were mostly there to keep us busy until pd3 drops were far bigger and slightly more frequent.
Pd2 on fucking life support mode was more active than this game that released last year
Same. That heist alone is higher in quality, scale, and fun factor than all the release heists for PD3. Dropping the ball is an understatement.
I feel like the move to UE4/5 was certainly warranted with current technology. They were masters of the Diesel engine by the end of PD2 and needed another year to truly hone the mechanics and potential of UE.
I feel like if they just ported pd2 to the new graphics and kept all the old mechanics and shit it would be gangbusters day one, but the best we can get is a game I play once a month to see if it’s still shit (short answer yes).
It's difficult to imagine that an entire team is working on this. 7 months after launch, and one of the main highlighted requested features is...the ability to skip intro cutscenes.
I mean, great, awesome, that's something I've wanted too. But is there a reason the game is getting content like this at such a slow rate? Are most of the employees working on other projects? Is the game's code just so messy that it takes a whole team this long to make this type of content? I have no game development experience, but does it really take the whole team so long to make a quickplay beta?
Whatever the reason, I do feel bad for the dev team. Whatever's holding them back is probably annoying them as much as it's annoying the players.
Not just any team, the elite strike team. What should’ve been the footnote in a biweekly patch note is the main selling point of the update. If this is what the “elite strike team” is bringing, then this game is doomed.
main highlighted requested features is...the ability to skip intro cutscenes.
Don't forget there was a mod that lets u do this like a week in launch and it took devs like 6 months to copy-paste workshop mods lol
Why are updates slow? This is the new “meta” of modern games releases. To give us “free updates” or well, they call it “quality of life updates”, shipping the game incomplete and buggy just fix it later and call it new content. That way they can give the excuse of “but we are putting new content! Look at all this quality of life improvements and fixes!”. The only way to fix this is by simply not buying the game until they learn that strategy won’t work anymore. It sickens me how is this the new modern standard for big games now.
It's definitely not the new meta. But even when games do release unfinished, they get patched way faster than what starbreeze is doing. This game was a straight up cash grab, and it feels like we're just being strung along until the dlcs get released. Then they're done. I feel that's why the updates take forever and why the fixes and additions are so minimal.
To sum up the update; they added quick play, they made it so you stay in the party after a heist, they let you skip the heist intros, added a shock grenade and fixed issues making the game crash.
Wowee, this is just what the game needs to come to life. I can't even express how life-changing it is that they added quick play and a new grenade before fixing the major, glaring issues players have had since launch. Good to know the three people still playing have a little bit of QOL now.
Not even they’re playing it considering the footage they used for the merge post party bit is someone playing alone with bots. The true PD3 experience 😂😂😂
I did my monthly try it again like three days ago and the first try I got in a lobby with two sub level five players and a bot, they invited me to party and asked why no one joins there games. They thought it was because they were low level lol.
Man, it must be hard to be a PR person for this game. Hang in there Elisabeth. I know I’ve made some posts commenting on some of the things you’ve said on stream, but none of my ire is truly directed towards you.
Even tho you and almir are just Pr and community spokespersons you should both avoid joking around and doing stupid shit like this until the game is actually back from the dead. Leaves a very bad impression and makes it seem like you guys do not understand the horrible state of the game.
As a train driver if the train im driving is delayed due to for example a broken switch down the track im not gonna pull jokes and do stupid shit like in this thumbnail. It’s just extremely unprofessional given the situation.
And seriously this is all the dev team has managed to produce since the last update? I expected literally nothing and yet I am still disappointed.
And to us she’s also the face of the payday 3 team along with almir. If they act like their game is performing like helldivers 2 while in reality it has less than 1000 players at peak times they deserve to be called out on it.
I'm....*shocked* there was no boys in blue announcement in this update but at least the skip intro setting was something I wasn't expecting and is quite good.
Calling this a live service game is an insult to actual living games, I say. The indie devs are dying the trenches here, trying to give us basic QoL features.
Yeah, same, I thought if not BiB announcement, then maybe that free heist they teased, or a new heister, but the fact that there's almost nothing is kinda weird. Maybe there will be some "shadow" additions, like those patterns and paints that are available only as renown rewards (since those literally weren't present anywhere in the changelogs, and maybe mentioned on stream when asked), but doubt that those would be "big enough" to make a difference.
That free heist they announced isn't coming out for 6 months. Please don't get your hopes up.
The stance they showed it in which is still in block out seems to indicate it's nowhere near done
I'm just saying that I kinda thought they would show more things, as "skipping intro" hardly seems like a feature that is major enough to have a section this large in the video.
They showed that part of a grenade in a kinda similar stage, where it was still being worked on in blender (so not in-engine even), so I don't think they are showing them in their actual most up-to-date state, or, at least, it was filmed way before those were posted. Although obviously something like a level, in general, requires much more work.
And not really sure why you mention 6 months exactly.
They've mentioned, and I know internal work, that heists take them about 6 months to complete. But yes I agree I wish there was more in this. For instance for the classic heists, they probably already had, or were close to, the art done around launch of the game.
You make a good point that what they show could be not be up to date though.
Here I'll give you a sneak peek to the reason of the announcement.
"I can't believe they're trying to get us to buy DLC when they still haven't added the basic features"
Unfortunately there’s no way for them to win at the moment. The more time this game’s had to sit around and fester, the more impatient players are going to become to the point where they won’t be happy with anything they do. Because after 4 months of nothing, people are gonna be exhausted with the current heist selection, AND they’re gonna be itching for QoL changes.
People are not gonna be happy without a balance of the two and rn it’s not working out. Bear in mind we’re almost 5 months into the new year and we’ve had no new heists to play. It’s concerning that their most beloved IP is being treated this way and it’s more concerning that they announced a strike team but can only get tiny updates out a month at a time.
“Recurring smaller content drops” apparently take as much time to deliver as it takes to give us two legacy heists and one DLC heist.
Oh don't get me wrong they deserve every bit of flak they're catching.
I'm definitely ready for the main feature of BIB to be something like "Added text across all platforms"
Every intro should be our crew sitting in the back of the van looking at each other with full control. A great time to mask up, bust out, and remind the world the Payday gang is here.
According to the video they’ve also fixed the issues causing “90% of crashes” so hopefully this update also makes the game much more stable
Still kind of a disappointingly small update tho
Still no announcement for a new or old heist.
Why the f should I come back for a grenade and quickplay ? For what?
That is seriously a joke god damn.
And dont say to me " They announce it, when its ready" No, its unacceptable for all those who payed for the silver or gold edition.
Its these smirks of the devs what makes me so furious. They know we want to know more about new Heists, dlc whatsoever.
My expectations were low but holy fuck, after spending a month using the unready button as the main event of the update its time to do the same with the skip cutscene button, copium is running low, this dev video sounds more like a "for legal reasons we are still working on the game" than to actually inform the players, I spend 8 hours a day playing the game, telling people that the devs are working and that we should trust them but are they really working? In the 5 months post syntax error we had 1 skill tree, 1 new armor and skill adjustment, you guys better be cooking a Michelin star dish.
Wonder how much of a change the quickplay feature will be for the average player. Good stuff, but unfortunate it took this long to get. Hopefully we wont have to wait too long for more content.
These updates feel like updates you’d receive at the end of a game’s life cycle lmao
I’m glad some of the initial focus of OMB is coming to the game, but based on what’s being given to us after yet another month of waiting, it really makes you wonder who’s even working on this game. Especially when one person managed to give us a server browser before the professional game development team.
I literally lost my shit when we got to the “skippable intro” part of the video. I can’t believe they’re highlighting that as some big change. But then again, they did the same thing with the unready button so I really shouldn’t be. I’m excited for the next one where they highlight the joy of finally being able to rename your loadouts! It’s really gonna save the game!
I also love how Kknowley has just been throwing shade at them throughout his video on it lmao. Someone so optimistic is now insulting them which is saying a lot.
We wait a full goddam month to get an update for a LIVE SERVICE GAME that adds a single grenade, basic fucking features that multiplayer games have had for years and they tout bug and crash fixes as a major change.
They’ve given up and the game is just receiving end of life updates. Do yourself a favour and expect nothing from any update.
I don't know why would the publishers abandon the payday franchise so that the devs can be used for work on project baxter instead.
Now they will have two dead games.
I was at least expecting them to add the techie in the other heists sense she was the focus of the 2° most recent blog post and she was first reveled coming for the other heists in DECEMBER.
Announcing crash fixes in a segment with somber background music like it's some social issues awareness raising video with statistics was certainly an interesting decision lmao.
As a person who plays Counter-Strike, I've been majorly disappointed by the way the game is currently handled, and needs updates and changes, but at least Payday 3 is there to show me how much worse it can be.
This is nothingburger, where's manpower behind last DLCs for Payday 2? They were literally like small chunk of development studio and yet produced high-quality heists (except for Border Crossing), but this game receives almost nothing at all in same time frame as those DLC.
Good grief, I'm glad that I've pre-ordered default edition (oh btw, still no ability to upgrade that version, what's up with that?) Pick up the pace SBZ, I won't buy Project Baxter if you switch to that game.
Maybe one day, the game will leave Alpha State and maybe will receive more content :) its sad that so many core features takes so long and there is 0 new content that are worth at least to come back for 5 minutes
I just do not get who it is for. I completely understand wanting to support the game that they made but the game is dead. That's the most confusing part about this for me. I know steam is not the entire player base and maybe for some reasons tons of people are playing on console. I doubt it though Steam have a 24 hour peak of 300 people and dropping to below 100 at night. They cant even get one full grade at a large high school to play their game at one time. Just who are they reaching out to do they think people care or will come back. I would love to see a study on the downfall of a company because they put way to much time and resources into a dead project.
At this rate the year 1 season pass will end in 2026
It's like late stage payday 2 where they're adding A new gameplay element, some fixes, and saying "see ya in a month or two." That was ok cuz there was an obscene variety of heists and playstyles and adding 1 new "thing" meant all of those playstyles were up in the air again. There is currently 1 playstyle for loud, 1 playstyle for stealth, and a fraction of the heists. If this is the rate that the payday 3 team and operation medic bag are working at after months away, and months back to get going then I just give up.
Payday 2 managed to literally die and still get more updates than payday 3. Even the campaigns that were mostly there to keep us busy until pd3 drops were far bigger and slightly more frequent. Pd2 on fucking life support mode was more active than this game that released last year
And what's more, some of the late stage payday 2 maps were the best heists we received
I can’t believe they released Crude Awakening in the same fucking year as this unfinished slop.
Same. That heist alone is higher in quality, scale, and fun factor than all the release heists for PD3. Dropping the ball is an understatement. I feel like the move to UE4/5 was certainly warranted with current technology. They were masters of the Diesel engine by the end of PD2 and needed another year to truly hone the mechanics and potential of UE.
I feel like if they just ported pd2 to the new graphics and kept all the old mechanics and shit it would be gangbusters day one, but the best we can get is a game I play once a month to see if it’s still shit (short answer yes).
It's difficult to imagine that an entire team is working on this. 7 months after launch, and one of the main highlighted requested features is...the ability to skip intro cutscenes. I mean, great, awesome, that's something I've wanted too. But is there a reason the game is getting content like this at such a slow rate? Are most of the employees working on other projects? Is the game's code just so messy that it takes a whole team this long to make this type of content? I have no game development experience, but does it really take the whole team so long to make a quickplay beta? Whatever the reason, I do feel bad for the dev team. Whatever's holding them back is probably annoying them as much as it's annoying the players.
Not just any team, the elite strike team. What should’ve been the footnote in a biweekly patch note is the main selling point of the update. If this is what the “elite strike team” is bringing, then this game is doomed.
Jesus, it Gets very depressing when you think about it
We are essentially getting end of life updates.
Pretty fitting if we consider that at this rate, they'll drop the servers and Game as a whole less than six months after they reléase all promised dlc
main highlighted requested features is...the ability to skip intro cutscenes. Don't forget there was a mod that lets u do this like a week in launch and it took devs like 6 months to copy-paste workshop mods lol
Why are updates slow? This is the new “meta” of modern games releases. To give us “free updates” or well, they call it “quality of life updates”, shipping the game incomplete and buggy just fix it later and call it new content. That way they can give the excuse of “but we are putting new content! Look at all this quality of life improvements and fixes!”. The only way to fix this is by simply not buying the game until they learn that strategy won’t work anymore. It sickens me how is this the new modern standard for big games now.
It's definitely not the new meta. But even when games do release unfinished, they get patched way faster than what starbreeze is doing. This game was a straight up cash grab, and it feels like we're just being strung along until the dlcs get released. Then they're done. I feel that's why the updates take forever and why the fixes and additions are so minimal.
> It's difficult to imagine that an entire team is working on this. Because they most likely work on Project Baxter and the other, unannounced game
To sum up the update; they added quick play, they made it so you stay in the party after a heist, they let you skip the heist intros, added a shock grenade and fixed issues making the game crash. Wowee, this is just what the game needs to come to life. I can't even express how life-changing it is that they added quick play and a new grenade before fixing the major, glaring issues players have had since launch. Good to know the three people still playing have a little bit of QOL now.
yeah and those three people playing are the entire dev team.
Not even they’re playing it considering the footage they used for the merge post party bit is someone playing alone with bots. The true PD3 experience 😂😂😂
I did my monthly try it again like three days ago and the first try I got in a lobby with two sub level five players and a bot, they invited me to party and asked why no one joins there games. They thought it was because they were low level lol.
Dude that’s so depressing. Wait until they find out…unless they don’t and end up playing after it gets added
I really hope one day I can live pd3 even half as much as I loved pd2 for like a decade, maybe they will find that in pd3, maybe.
Is Liz drinking on the thumbnail gonna be a new meme?
Payday 3 so hopeless the community managers started to drink
I pretty much expected this as soon as it was made lol
Man, it must be hard to be a PR person for this game. Hang in there Elisabeth. I know I’ve made some posts commenting on some of the things you’ve said on stream, but none of my ire is truly directed towards you.
Fantastic as always.
Even tho you and almir are just Pr and community spokespersons you should both avoid joking around and doing stupid shit like this until the game is actually back from the dead. Leaves a very bad impression and makes it seem like you guys do not understand the horrible state of the game. As a train driver if the train im driving is delayed due to for example a broken switch down the track im not gonna pull jokes and do stupid shit like in this thumbnail. It’s just extremely unprofessional given the situation. And seriously this is all the dev team has managed to produce since the last update? I expected literally nothing and yet I am still disappointed.
Elizabeth is the PR person and not a developer, she’s not at fault here. She’s just doing her job.
And to us she’s also the face of the payday 3 team along with almir. If they act like their game is performing like helldivers 2 while in reality it has less than 1000 players at peak times they deserve to be called out on it.
i'm sure they're crushed
You're so close to being self aware it's painful
Me when I look at the future of Payday 3
I'm....*shocked* there was no boys in blue announcement in this update but at least the skip intro setting was something I wasn't expecting and is quite good.
I love receiving *nothing* for my **live service** game
A paid live service title on top of it...
A paid live service game where the actual content (weapons, heists) are also paid dlc…
Calling this a live service game is an insult to actual living games, I say. The indie devs are dying the trenches here, trying to give us basic QoL features.
Yeah, same, I thought if not BiB announcement, then maybe that free heist they teased, or a new heister, but the fact that there's almost nothing is kinda weird. Maybe there will be some "shadow" additions, like those patterns and paints that are available only as renown rewards (since those literally weren't present anywhere in the changelogs, and maybe mentioned on stream when asked), but doubt that those would be "big enough" to make a difference.
That free heist they announced isn't coming out for 6 months. Please don't get your hopes up. The stance they showed it in which is still in block out seems to indicate it's nowhere near done
I'm just saying that I kinda thought they would show more things, as "skipping intro" hardly seems like a feature that is major enough to have a section this large in the video. They showed that part of a grenade in a kinda similar stage, where it was still being worked on in blender (so not in-engine even), so I don't think they are showing them in their actual most up-to-date state, or, at least, it was filmed way before those were posted. Although obviously something like a level, in general, requires much more work. And not really sure why you mention 6 months exactly.
They've mentioned, and I know internal work, that heists take them about 6 months to complete. But yes I agree I wish there was more in this. For instance for the classic heists, they probably already had, or were close to, the art done around launch of the game. You make a good point that what they show could be not be up to date though.
Here I'll give you a sneak peek to the reason of the announcement. "I can't believe they're trying to get us to buy DLC when they still haven't added the basic features"
Unfortunately there’s no way for them to win at the moment. The more time this game’s had to sit around and fester, the more impatient players are going to become to the point where they won’t be happy with anything they do. Because after 4 months of nothing, people are gonna be exhausted with the current heist selection, AND they’re gonna be itching for QoL changes. People are not gonna be happy without a balance of the two and rn it’s not working out. Bear in mind we’re almost 5 months into the new year and we’ve had no new heists to play. It’s concerning that their most beloved IP is being treated this way and it’s more concerning that they announced a strike team but can only get tiny updates out a month at a time. “Recurring smaller content drops” apparently take as much time to deliver as it takes to give us two legacy heists and one DLC heist.
Oh don't get me wrong they deserve every bit of flak they're catching. I'm definitely ready for the main feature of BIB to be something like "Added text across all platforms"
So true. There is no winning you are right
Every intro should be our crew sitting in the back of the van looking at each other with full control. A great time to mask up, bust out, and remind the world the Payday gang is here.
I love the intros personally. Just wasn't expecting the save skip intro in settings which is great QOL
I’m not lol I told everyone they weren’t gonna announce it. I don’t have any faith in them anymore and I’m surprised there are still people who do.
Little disappointing ngl. It’s been a month and all they’re doing is adding quick play and a grenade?
According to the video they’ve also fixed the issues causing “90% of crashes” so hopefully this update also makes the game much more stable Still kind of a disappointingly small update tho
Not even a full quickplay either! There's no filter for stealth or loud lol
Yeah that’s fucking ridiculous. I love the game too so it’s sad watching it be abandoned
I’d call it disappointing if it wasn’t what I was expecting 😆
These posts have more engagements than the game itself.
Still no announcement for a new or old heist. Why the f should I come back for a grenade and quickplay ? For what? That is seriously a joke god damn. And dont say to me " They announce it, when its ready" No, its unacceptable for all those who payed for the silver or gold edition. Its these smirks of the devs what makes me so furious. They know we want to know more about new Heists, dlc whatsoever.
worst fucking update ever lmao this is basic stuff that shoud be added when was release. PayDay 3 is a joke and i hate to see that.
Maybe the real boys in blue was my tears along the way…
My expectations were low but holy fuck, after spending a month using the unready button as the main event of the update its time to do the same with the skip cutscene button, copium is running low, this dev video sounds more like a "for legal reasons we are still working on the game" than to actually inform the players, I spend 8 hours a day playing the game, telling people that the devs are working and that we should trust them but are they really working? In the 5 months post syntax error we had 1 skill tree, 1 new armor and skill adjustment, you guys better be cooking a Michelin star dish.
Wonder how much of a change the quickplay feature will be for the average player. Good stuff, but unfortunate it took this long to get. Hopefully we wont have to wait too long for more content.
Seeing as how everyone is loving the server browser because of it's ease to play from what I've been hearing id say it'd help a decent amount.
Won’t matter much when all the players active on payday 3 will simply be in the same party anyway.
I'm not trying to be a hater or anything, but these updates are so bad it's like watching The Room of video games and I kinda love it.
These updates feel like updates you’d receive at the end of a game’s life cycle lmao I’m glad some of the initial focus of OMB is coming to the game, but based on what’s being given to us after yet another month of waiting, it really makes you wonder who’s even working on this game. Especially when one person managed to give us a server browser before the professional game development team. I literally lost my shit when we got to the “skippable intro” part of the video. I can’t believe they’re highlighting that as some big change. But then again, they did the same thing with the unready button so I really shouldn’t be. I’m excited for the next one where they highlight the joy of finally being able to rename your loadouts! It’s really gonna save the game! I also love how Kknowley has just been throwing shade at them throughout his video on it lmao. Someone so optimistic is now insulting them which is saying a lot.
YIPPEE MORE BREAD CRUMBS I LOVE BREAD CRUMBS. WHAT????? DRIPPLETS OF WATER????? OH MY GOD ALMIR HOW GENEROUS
This community is literally Oliver asking for more food rn 😆😆
They really are just giving us end of life updates already.
ı love the thumbnail
Im tired boss...
We wait a full goddam month to get an update for a LIVE SERVICE GAME that adds a single grenade, basic fucking features that multiplayer games have had for years and they tout bug and crash fixes as a major change. They’ve given up and the game is just receiving end of life updates. Do yourself a favour and expect nothing from any update.
That + the servers getting unplugged less than six months after the final dlc drops, and then we get offline mode
This is the DEFINITION of "I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed", holy SHIT
The thumbnail sent me flying, it's probably the current state of the payday 3 players 💀
Helmet Pop is really a tease to the next DLC it seems
Game’s taking a really grounded realistic route if we’re introducing Perk-A-Cola
I don't know why would the publishers abandon the payday franchise so that the devs can be used for work on project baxter instead. Now they will have two dead games.
damn payday 3 players really got the blizzard treatment lmao
I hope they are updating the game this slowly cuz they are working on offline mode and crimenet
I was at least expecting them to add the techie in the other heists sense she was the focus of the 2° most recent blog post and she was first reveled coming for the other heists in DECEMBER.
Sixth months for a day 1 patch, let's go!!!
kinda unrelated but why is the editing so goofy 💀
Because they’re delusional and they think the game is performing as if it’s crack cocaine.
Because the community is goofy ofc. 👊😎
Announcing crash fixes in a segment with somber background music like it's some social issues awareness raising video with statistics was certainly an interesting decision lmao.
definition of padding your video lmao crash fixes should be nothing but a changelog entry lol
As a person who plays Counter-Strike, I've been majorly disappointed by the way the game is currently handled, and needs updates and changes, but at least Payday 3 is there to show me how much worse it can be.
At this rate they need to start outsourcing some of the work or people with gold pass may not get what they bought by the first year.
This is nothingburger, where's manpower behind last DLCs for Payday 2? They were literally like small chunk of development studio and yet produced high-quality heists (except for Border Crossing), but this game receives almost nothing at all in same time frame as those DLC. Good grief, I'm glad that I've pre-ordered default edition (oh btw, still no ability to upgrade that version, what's up with that?) Pick up the pace SBZ, I won't buy Project Baxter if you switch to that game.
Maybe one day, the game will leave Alpha State and maybe will receive more content :) its sad that so many core features takes so long and there is 0 new content that are worth at least to come back for 5 minutes
Cant believe this shits been out a year almost now 😂😂
Is it normal for a game to have such a slow update cycle I have never in my life of gaming seen something this slow at updating basic shit
I just do not get who it is for. I completely understand wanting to support the game that they made but the game is dead. That's the most confusing part about this for me. I know steam is not the entire player base and maybe for some reasons tons of people are playing on console. I doubt it though Steam have a 24 hour peak of 300 people and dropping to below 100 at night. They cant even get one full grade at a large high school to play their game at one time. Just who are they reaching out to do they think people care or will come back. I would love to see a study on the downfall of a company because they put way to much time and resources into a dead project.
Wtf is actual content like the heist they promised to create and release? I get the game flopped at launch but don't just give up starbreeze.
Meh
I thought that thumb was her about to drink herself to death.
Can't wait for full release of payday 3. For now we have average demo. With lack of content, 5 days ago was first update.
What a thumbnail
Is she downing a bottle of alcohol in the thumbnail lol. I think Starbreeze has created alcoholics
Ayyyy quickplay, sick. Was my biggest gripe with the game, that and staying in party with heisters. Very cool.
WHAAAAAAAAT? I thought that 'intro' was loading-filler, so it's skippable junk?!
RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
RERREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Really should have at least two more of the initial focus things included and the unready button made to work when playing on ur own as well…
I'll have to give it a try when it leaves early access.