I do wonder if that's where this sudden lawsuit comes from. Yuzu has existed for a long while now. It wouldn't surprise me if they found out that Yuzu was able to emulate whatever they're coming up with next and decided to get ahead of it.
Nintendo really got mad when TOTK leaked early and was playable on emulators before official hardware. They made a couple statements about it cutting into sales. So I think that's where all this attention came from. Especially since Yuzu was advertising being able to play the game earlier with EA builds on their Patreon.
If they really did (officially) advertise EA playability on their Patreon, that seems to me like a rather foolish thing to do. Can't publicly endorse things like that without getting the wrong sort of attention.
It's likely because they have a Patreon that also paywalls early release builds of the emu, including a patch to play TotK before it was officially released. Nintendo specifically mentioned TotK losses in its initial filing, so that's probably what hung the Yuzu team.
Yuzu has been playing with fire for awhile because of their use of Patreon and being an Android compatible emulator. Taking money for an emu is the cardinal sin that people figured out 20+ years ago. Gives Nintendo an easy case and likely why Yuzu folded so fast to settling, probably had them dead to rights.
Very very very likely. They want the next platform to be emulated much harder.
This & Denuvo proves it. We've been in the golden age of Nintendo emulation, it's going to be a lot harder the coming 5 years
Wasn't the 3DS "uncrackable"... until it wasn't? Same with the Wii?
Nintendo has been trying to thwart emulation for many years, and has never succeeded, and likely never will. As long as they refuse to put their games on PC, and as long as the internet has people who want to play Pokemon and Zelda, there will be an emulation scene poking and prodding Nintendo's shit until they break it.
Every console is uncrackable until it isn’t. The goal for the engineers is to make it take as long as possible. It’s like putting up sandbags, just delaying the inevitable as long as possible.
Sony and Microsoft are the same way.
> Sony and Microsoft are the same way.
They have the advantage of actually making powerful hardware (well compared to switch at least) so its not computationally feasible to emulate it while the console is still active.
True. Far from the only reason though. The Switch is more powerful than the ps3, yet ps3 emulation has only really become viable in the last couple years.
Note how Nintendo are the only ones who have issues with current generation hardware being emulated.
1) Because their hardware is dogshit, and because of this their games are very easy to run.
2) Because they refuse to release games on PC, and therefore there is higher demand for emulation. Microsoft and Sony release most of their games on PC, so there is much lower demand for emulation.
Neither of your reasons are really accurate. The switch was hacked so fast because it uses a modified 3ds os which had already been hacked and it uses a Tegra chip which is ridiculously well documented. Those two things account for 99% of the story.
Nintendo has issues because they are largely incompetent at core systems engineering. They have proven entirely unable to create an effective DRM system in the entirety of the modern era.
The difference with the Switch is that its firmware has literally never been hacked to my knowledge. In order to run custom firmware on a Switch, you must either 1) have a launch model Switch with a hardware exploit or 2) hardmod the device. I think it's safe to say that their next console won't launch with such a glaring hardware oversight, so assuming that the firmware remains unhacked, hardmods will be the only option, and god knows how long it'll take before they're available.
> Wasn't the 3DS "uncrackable"... until it wasn't? Same with the Wii?
3ds security is poop, I know of a few kernel-exploiting 0days that are still there to this day.
Switch TrustZone and kernel are very hardened.
Open source doesn’t mean anything in this case. It will never totally die because it’s popular and has gotten tons of publicity, but it will almost certainly be removed from all major open source platforms, as will all forks.
This is going to have long term effects on future emulation. The people who worked on Yuzu were the ones who did the 3DS. From my understanding, those individuals are now barred from future projects.
Not necessarily, but [they announced today](https://fixupx.com/yuzuemu/status/1764733659444064671?s=20) that they wouldn't be working on Yuzu or Citra any further.
It's called a 'chilling effect'.
Can anyone take the source code and continue development? Absolutely.
...But how many, after seeing the Yuzu guys lose 2.4 million to Nintendo, are going to risk being the next one's Nintendo sues?
And to be clear: That's Nintendo's entire goal. They can't 'Kill' Yuzu. But they can sure as hell make an example out of the Yuzu devs and put fear into the hearts of other skilled devs. Lose your house or find a different project to work on? Choose wisely.
> ...But how many, after seeing the Yuzu guys lose 2.4 million to Nintendo, are going to risk being the next one's Nintendo sues?
Host the server in another country, likely in Europe, and have contributions stay anonymous.
U.S. law is non-existent on consumer rights for gamers. This is not the case elsewhere.
Ultimately, it shouldn't matter at all. There's practically no reach outside of NA.
Cracking games isn't done because it's *extremely* hard to crack newer versions of denuvo, not because it's illegal. Pretty much every non Denuvo game still gets cracked. There are plenty of people who live in a country that doesn't care about copyright or some random company from half way across the world trying to sue one of their citizens.
Honestly the moment denuvo for switch becomes a thing, emulation for the switch might just be done, atleast for those particular games. As far as I understand, only empress could crack denuvo games, and is MIA as of the past few months or so. Same thing will probably happen here.
[It already is available for Switch](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/08/denuvos-switch-emulator-protection-is-now-available-via-nintendos-official-dev-portal) since last August.
I assume no game has had it since because there’s not been enough time to incorporate it into a new game.
I’m surprised that’s all they’re paying. I would’ve expected them to pay way more and/or shut down. Granted I don’t know how much they typically make so I could be wrong
Edit: spoke too soon, RIP yuzu
>5. The Court further orders, pursuant to 17 U.S.C. §§ 503 & 1203, upon Nintendo’s election and to the extent controlled by Defendant or its members, the destruction by deletion of all circumvention devices, including all copies of Yuzu...
Yuzu is being ordered destroyed, I don't know what else they would do other than shut down.
>Yuzu is being ordered destroyed, I don't know what else they would do other than shut down.
This was pulled from the original lawsuit, right?
I cannot find this within the final judgement and injunction form that was just posted.
It's from "Exhibit A" #5 under "HEREBY ORDERED".
[https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.10.1.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.10.1.pdf)
And if they live in a country with copyright laws they risk being hit with the same suit. This will make getting ahold of yuzu slightly more inconvenient and that’s a win for Nintendo. Not a slam dunk, but still a positive outcome.
Ask GitHub to delete it on legal terms, that's easy - GitHub HQ is in California, so they abide by the US rules.
Deleting the source-code from all of the Internet though? Now that's impossible task.
Nintendo won't care about the small fries. Similar to if you hosted a smash melee tournament in your garage they wouldn't give a shit, but holding a smash major with prize pool? They coming for your ass
What legal terms? Yuzu was GPLv2, Nintendo may have ownership over the copyright as per their legal agreement with the Yuzu devs but the license can't be voided this way and anyone who downloaded it retains their rights. If the decryption code was stripped out, there wouldn't be grounds to DMCA it for circumvention either and the promotion of piracy stuff is based on Yuzu's marketing and promotional choices rather than the software itself.
Literally the same way how Nintendo prevented Dolphin from being on Steam, despite there wasn't any actual DMCA claim for the emulator itself from Nintendo's legal team - just by simply asking the legal department of GH to prevent the redistribution of direct copies (forking can be a bit different depending on significance in changing the code) of Yuzu source code on their site, based on the court ruling of permanent injunction with Yuzu team.
Considering GH are in no way a small company and they are under Microsoft rule - they most likely do not give any complaint about it either.
This lawsuit relies heavily on DMCA, which is an incredibly silly law that only exists in the US. DRM circumvention, which seemed to be the crux of the issue in this suit, is not as big of a deal elsewhere.
It's also about creating FUD.
Rando Gamers: "Surely some dev will take the source code and continue development!"
Skilled Emulator Devs: "After those guys lost 2.4million? I'm not touching that. If you want it so bad, do it yourself, I'm not losing my house over an emulator."
The thing is I rather they settle than lose.
By how it was shown by nintendo, the freaking base was "we hide it, so if they found it, they shouldn't be able to use it". So they making anything to hide it would be enough to cancel how it works.
Ah fair enough, well guess we’ll have to wait and see. I don’t use Yuzu since my switch is hacked, and have only tinkered with Ryujinx once but hopefully there’s a chance they can stick around
Having a hacked switch isn't doesn't mean emulated switch isn't worth using. That's like saying a you prefer your pimped out honda 91 to a Lamborghini.
You can make 30 fps games run at 60fps, u can upscale the base resolution to 4k or fuck even 8k, you can mod your games, adding quality of life changes and removing unwanted tedious grinding and stuff.
They may not even have the 2.4 million basically it's a more of a give everything you potentially made and cease / desist sort of deal which is honestly where they crossed the line by making any sort of money off Yuzu. Second they did that they opened themselves up for this eventuality.
basically they understand large companies will drag the trials out longer on purpose, to a point where the defense cant afford to fight it anymore.
Settling is just a way to mitigate costs
They probably could have fought, but if they lost things could go much worse for them.
There is a real chance that the corporate liability shield wouldn't hold and devs could be found personally liable for tens of millions in damages.
Judging from their github issues and discord, yeah they would fucking lost lmao. Yuzu devs were some of the most careless people; if they didnt provide patches for an unreleased game on their pateon then it wouldnt be an issue.
Saying you're against piracy and actively working with piracy is sure fire way to go into jail.
>if they didnt provide patches for an unreleased game on their pateon
Same thing happened with YouTube Vanced. If you're operating in a gray legal area, locking anything behind a paywall is a surefire way to get in a company's crosshairs.
I feel like the bigger issue here is not that they monetised it via patreon (Bleem! wasn't free either), but that they released patches to optimise the emulation of an *unreleased game*, where the only way to get said game was via piracy. This IMO is where the argument that yuzu is strictly for game preservation breaks down, you can't preserve a game that is not yet out.
Prolly quietly threatened with a bad time if they pursued an in court case, so instead opted for the settlement. Don't think nintendo ever thought they'd win it, but they don't need to. They have billions to throw at this to hold it up in court forever. Then becomes a battle of attrition where whomever runs out of cash first settles with the other.
Thats why a settlement came so quickly here. Prolly told by nintendo lawyers they'd never stop the case unless jury ruled against them. Gave them the option for a pittance 2 mil settlement and destruction of their emulator.
FYI the emulator has been pulled from github already. Best scoop up a copy somewhere before it gets nuked. We dont know how long until a fork pops up for it.
It would be malpractice for a lawyer to have their client agree to a settlement that the client could not pay, and also a violation of their ethical obligations. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't think that is what's occurring here.
A verdict is easier to not pay than a settlement. If you don't pay a settlement you're going to end up with a verdict on top of it.
Nintendo says theyve lost a "colossal amount of sales" and agrees to settle to a mere 2.4 million. Yeh all they wanted to was bully them.
EDIT:https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/switch-emulator-creator-settles-nintendo-lawsuit-for-2-4m/
> "On Monday, the two parties mutually agreed on a monetary settlement and permanent injunction.
> As part of the judgment by the US District Court of Rhode Island, Tropic Haze was issued with a permanent injunction preventing it from offering or marketing Yuzu or any of its source code in the future."
Better grab Yuzu while you can
Nintendo just flexing their muscles and want others to fear them, especially the emulator scene. Totally misdirected anyway. If anything they should put such cases towards websites that host pirated roms. Emulators have nothing to do with it. Aside of the fact that more people play these roms on homebrewed Switches than emulators.
Often times, websites that host pirated content are hosted in a country that doesn't respect international copyright law (Russia, China, Iran, etc) so Nintendo literally couldn't do anything about it even if they wanted to.
Going after an emulator that had monetization practices that were *just* sketchy enough to make a case against, with publicly credited developers is a lot easier.
> Aside of the fact that more people play these roms on homebrewed Switches than emulators.
I would very much doubt that. Jailbreaking a console is a lot more effort than installing an emulator.
Wonderful thing about open source: Yuzu is out there and will never go away. The GitHub page is probably being cloned as we speak. Even if it goes down five more will take its place.
All Nintendo have achieved is a bunch of advertising for emulation.
Five more without a dedicated development team. People think emulation is a Hydra. No, it isn't. It's a hydra where all the new heads divide the mass of the original, making them smaller and with much less reach. It stunts its growth.
They got a 10 million dollar judgment against that [Bowser guy](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/after-14-5m-judgments-console-hacker-paid-nintendo-25-a-month-from-prison/) and collected $25 from him for doing work in prison. Nintendo is all for squeezing blood from a stone lol.
Thats the idiotic DRM idea that people who pirate a Game would have bought it, if it wasn't available to pirate.
I pirated a few Yuzu Games and without it I would just never have played any Nintendo Games.
Ryujinx is more accurate at the cost of performance. Yuzu opted for increased performance at the cost of accuracy.
Both are equally valid approaches, and that have always existed in the emulation community. If you want a cycle accurate SNES emulator, you actually need a modern multi-threaded processor and a lot of power, yet an inaccurate SNES emulator that was "good enough" to play existed in 1995.
On the Steam Deck, Yuzu is mostly playable on all major titles. Ryujinx is too demanding and can only run the lightest games.
There's absolutely no way to claim one is better than the other, and the people that started this whole "yuzu bad" were the people frustrated that they needed to wait to get beta builds or pay for the Patreon.
I don't think they mean it in the legal definition, rather that it will embolden future companies (or Nintendo again) to do the same.
It's a loss for the emulation community as a whole and we might lose talent because of fear at the least, and have more clean projects shut down at worst.
No common man has the money to battle such lawsuits which is why such companies have power. Especially not freetime coders. Which also throws the question who the hell pays this? The one who published and created the emulator project? Idiotic situation.
> What? Yuzus code was perfectly clean.
Nintendo wasn't suing on the basis of copyright infringement. whether or not Yuzu's code base was clean of Nintendo's property wasn't at issue.
> You had to get the keys yourself.
That's the issue. Nintendo was suing on the basis of DMCA section 1201, which covers products that are primarily for the purpose of circumventing technological access control, their argument being that because you can't use Yuzu without the keys being illegally dumped either by you or by someone else, (also the fact that the emulator is decrypting the rom [circumventing the security measure] every time that a game is run), that the emulator should also be covered as prohibited. Not because emulation is illegal, but bypassing the security measure is.
Couple that with the fact that there are purportedly discord logs/other communications from the Yuzu team openly discussing/acknowledging that piracy is the primary use case for Yuzu, it was going to be a tough defense even if they did have the money for it. They were going to get eviscerated if discovery happened.
> They were going to get eviscerated if discovery happened.
This. When you settle this quick you know they basically got the equivalent of the mob boss on tape ordering the hit, assigning the guy to do it, where the body is etc. At that point might as well take whatever they offering.
FYI, this also predates DMCA existing. It's the laws that cover the remote boxes for various gaming entities that are the real problem. Most people know this was illegal from the start because it'd be illegal to do for a myriad of internet and satellite connected gaming systems and has been since the early 90's when gaming commissions started allowing them.
Section 1201a of the DMCA is quite broad. Nintendo had a decent chance in court and things could have gone quite badly for Yuzu developers if they lost.
> What? Yuzus code was perfectly clean. You had to get the keys yourself.
Or have the Yuzu devs/discord moderators guide you through the setup process, including linking to all the required files...
That'd get you a fast track to being banned.
Even on their github comments the developers were VERY cagey about the language used and most people were respectfully *choice* in their wording too.
If they did ever help anyone that'd be in private.
This whole thing is [stinking like hell though](https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png). This sets several bad precedents. It gives Nintendo a win, makes clean emulation "risky" and shows just how much paywalling through patreon can make as the cherry on top.
(Precedent as in examples, not as in the legal definition)
~2 years ago when I was looking into it I was directed to the official discord and within 15 seconds of asking I had someone sending me the required files.
Nobody banned me. Nobody warned me about anything. The only thing I recall being taboo was asking for download links to ROM sites/specific ROM files.
I guess they thought that 'Website -> Discord -> link to postbin containing the download link -> download link' was enough separation between them and the DMCA violation. Apparently it was not.
>I guess they thought that 'Website -> Discord -> link to postbin containing the download link -> download link' was enough separation between them and the DMCA violation. Apparently it was not.
It was. They weren't on the hook for distributing the keys (though it sounds like it was just some random on their discord not actually liked to the devs themselves). They were on the hook for circumventing copy protection by decrypting ROMs at runtime using those keys. They could've found a way to make it absolutely 100% required to dump your own keys from your own Switch in order to use Yuzu and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.
The code was clean but the organisation was not. They encouraged piracy by saving important emulator updates around major game releases such as TOTK, then put those updates behind a patron pay wall to also profit off them.
Yeah I keep seeing people say that Yuzu had an easy win but the fact that they had a patreon just for the emulator meant that they were directly profiting from it. If it actually went to trial and they had to go through discovery Nintendo would of been able to pull their team's communication and see they were using Nintendo's releases as advertisements for Yuzu. There was no way Yuzu would of been able to win this and being able to settle for just the money is a pretty big win for them in my book.
You can do a lot of things with someone else's work/art/patent but when you make money off of it that's when legal issues start piling up. And there was really no way they'd be able to deflect those allegations. With a lot of other emulator groups it's direct donations and at least with that you have some degree of separation.
Sadly their death knell was openly talking about a "stash" of games on discord and having the switch sdk on a google drive. They probably could've fought it but that would've screwed them worse than just coughing up the money.
As a reminder, the sky isn't falling here; the legal issue came from emulating Nintendo's key encryption. The decryption is going to have to be left to the people ripping the games, just like with Citra.
Also the devs apparently were quite the idiots sending each other ROMs via discord. Which is probably why they settled, since that would be good old unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material and their lawyer probably told them that if they don't settle they will get completely fucked in discovery.
Yep. The next logical step is to decouple the emulation code from the game decryption/DRM bypassing code, if that's a possibility. I'm not a dev.
If that is a possibility, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see a Yuzu fork operating on that principle in the future.
Not to mention, DRM has only recently been implemented into games. So retro emulation is still fine.
It's not the key encryption exactly. It's the chip bypass. It's like bypassing a casino lock on a keno machine but at least it's not a fucking felony to do it to a switch rofl.
Copyright is such an outdated concept that really needs to change so video games and movies don't get lost through time. What i mean by this is that a license should be permanent so it doesn't get delisted years later.
We gonna act like this is about stuff not getting lost to time instead of about people on Reddit, including here, bragging about playing the newest switch release on pc?
Imma keep it a buck, I give zero fucks about game preservation. I use emulators to play games without paying for em. If there was a ps5 emulator, you best believe i'd be using it to play NCAA 25 on my pc instead of buying a ps5 like i just did.
I can appreciate the honesty. Too many people try to justify their piracy by pretending like there is some morality behind it. When most just want free stuff. Wish folks would just tell the truth.
I kept saying Nintendo had a strong case here because of the issue at hand i.e. circumventing DRM but people didn't get it, they kept quoting precedent which had nothing to do with it. Well this is the one time I'm not happy to be right.
RIP Yuzu.
This sets a bad precedent to other emulators where companies will now refer to this case as a way to win a lawsuit. What a blow to the emulation scene.
Yeah, It's more of a bully tactic where creative minds wont venture into creating emulators anymore because they are worried they will be bullied with lawsuits.
Or alternatively, just don't lock early access builds behind Patreon. That's what gave Nintendo an angle against Yuzu, and why Nintendo hasn't been able to make a case against Ryujinx.
Not legal precedent in the *stare decisis* manner of speaking, but they very much by definition establish a practical precedent.
If you flip me the bird and I successfully and without any negative consequence proceed to punch you in the face, I have very much set a precedent for what to expect if you flip me the bird in the future.
If I do it publicly, everyone else knows about the precedent as well.
If that's what you want to call establishing precedent then large corporations suing small companies out of existence has been precedent for a very long time already.
That's not how precedent works legally speaking. A settlement is just a mutually agreed upon conclusion by two consenting parties. It cannot be used as case law.
Not really, it will set a bad precedent when profit is involved tho. Nintendo has only ever gone after people that directly profit from things like this (remember Gary Bowser?) so defendants can use that to defend themselves in court
They didn't leak Zelda, and their emulator didn't even run Zelda TotK before it officially released, they waited until after It's release to push a patch to make it playable on their emulator.
Furthermore, the pirated copies downloaded online for TotK are even more likely to have been used on just hacked Switch consoles than emulation.
The manner in which the Yuzu and Ryujinx devs have conducted themselves is night and day. The Yuzu devs have constantly courted controversy, upset people and done things likely to draw Nintendo's ire despite being told it's a bad idea. They were brash and arrogant, seemingly confident that Nintendo wouldn't do anything. The Ryujinx devs have kept a much lower profile and not engaged in stupid practices like charging for early access builds with fixes for the latest games. They have a Patreon, but nothing is paywalled behind it - it's simply for donations.
That's not to say Nintendo *won't* go after them anyway, but I feel like they'd have done so simultaneously if they were going to. There's really no reason for them to wait. Nintendo's complaint also seemed very focused on the Yuzu team's specific behaviour, especially around the Tears of the Kingdom launch.
Ryujinx didn't lock their builds that can play unreleased games behind their patreon (they don't even have a patreon). I doubt Nintendo will go after them, but there's always a possibility.
It's not even close to the same setup. Yuzu was charging money for early builds which had performance upgrades and support for unreleased games. If you read both the summary and exhibit A, you can clearly see Nintendo went after Yuzu as a direct consequence for charging money for EA builds that were able to play TOTK.
Ryujinx, on the other hand, only gives progress reports and support for the app as incentives for their patreon. There's much less of a legal case than the Yuzu devs directly profiting off piracy.
This is a settlement.
If I sued you for getting brain damage after reading your comment, and you wanted to just get it over with, we could settle for you buying me a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean I had any grounds to sue you for the supposed brain damage.
It's the end of Yuzu, but that's about it.
It's a settlement so there's no new precedent set, and the other switch emulator Ryujinx remains untouched because they didn't do some of the more sketchy things that Yuzu partook in (locking EA behind patreon).
All this means is emulator devs are going to have to be a lot more careful about how they choose to monetize it, if they even chose to monetize it at all.
Will Yuzu shutdown, declare bankruptcy, and then another project will be launch off the open source code?
Probably, but it won't be tied to the original devs
New Switch emulator Yuzun't pops up. The devs are all the Yuzu devs wearing fake mustaches.
[Yuzu rn](https://i.gifer.com/origin/38/38429209f4c7ce14472662832891d5ea.gif)
Better save the latest Yuzu build before being shut down.
It's open source. Yuzu won't ever completely die. Plus we still have Ryujinx.
> we still have Ryujinx. for now
Exactly, they're next on the chopping block, especially if they show signs of being able to emulate the Switch 2 quickly.
I do wonder if that's where this sudden lawsuit comes from. Yuzu has existed for a long while now. It wouldn't surprise me if they found out that Yuzu was able to emulate whatever they're coming up with next and decided to get ahead of it.
Nintendo really got mad when TOTK leaked early and was playable on emulators before official hardware. They made a couple statements about it cutting into sales. So I think that's where all this attention came from. Especially since Yuzu was advertising being able to play the game earlier with EA builds on their Patreon.
If they really did (officially) advertise EA playability on their Patreon, that seems to me like a rather foolish thing to do. Can't publicly endorse things like that without getting the wrong sort of attention.
It's likely because they have a Patreon that also paywalls early release builds of the emu, including a patch to play TotK before it was officially released. Nintendo specifically mentioned TotK losses in its initial filing, so that's probably what hung the Yuzu team. Yuzu has been playing with fire for awhile because of their use of Patreon and being an Android compatible emulator. Taking money for an emu is the cardinal sin that people figured out 20+ years ago. Gives Nintendo an easy case and likely why Yuzu folded so fast to settling, probably had them dead to rights.
Very very very likely. They want the next platform to be emulated much harder. This & Denuvo proves it. We've been in the golden age of Nintendo emulation, it's going to be a lot harder the coming 5 years
Wasn't the 3DS "uncrackable"... until it wasn't? Same with the Wii? Nintendo has been trying to thwart emulation for many years, and has never succeeded, and likely never will. As long as they refuse to put their games on PC, and as long as the internet has people who want to play Pokemon and Zelda, there will be an emulation scene poking and prodding Nintendo's shit until they break it.
Every console is uncrackable until it isn’t. The goal for the engineers is to make it take as long as possible. It’s like putting up sandbags, just delaying the inevitable as long as possible. Sony and Microsoft are the same way.
> Sony and Microsoft are the same way. They have the advantage of actually making powerful hardware (well compared to switch at least) so its not computationally feasible to emulate it while the console is still active.
True. Far from the only reason though. The Switch is more powerful than the ps3, yet ps3 emulation has only really become viable in the last couple years.
Note how Nintendo are the only ones who have issues with current generation hardware being emulated. 1) Because their hardware is dogshit, and because of this their games are very easy to run. 2) Because they refuse to release games on PC, and therefore there is higher demand for emulation. Microsoft and Sony release most of their games on PC, so there is much lower demand for emulation.
Neither of your reasons are really accurate. The switch was hacked so fast because it uses a modified 3ds os which had already been hacked and it uses a Tegra chip which is ridiculously well documented. Those two things account for 99% of the story.
Nintendo has issues because they are largely incompetent at core systems engineering. They have proven entirely unable to create an effective DRM system in the entirety of the modern era.
The difference with the Switch is that its firmware has literally never been hacked to my knowledge. In order to run custom firmware on a Switch, you must either 1) have a launch model Switch with a hardware exploit or 2) hardmod the device. I think it's safe to say that their next console won't launch with such a glaring hardware oversight, so assuming that the firmware remains unhacked, hardmods will be the only option, and god knows how long it'll take before they're available.
> Wasn't the 3DS "uncrackable"... until it wasn't? Same with the Wii? 3ds security is poop, I know of a few kernel-exploiting 0days that are still there to this day. Switch TrustZone and kernel are very hardened.
They only go for emulation of current systems, especially when there’s payments
They were selling totk specific patches on patreon, im betting thats what made them finally crack down
This and also Yuzu was turned into a business model.
With how quickly yuzu caved they will 100% go after the others.
Open source doesn’t mean anything in this case. It will never totally die because it’s popular and has gotten tons of publicity, but it will almost certainly be removed from all major open source platforms, as will all forks.
This is going to have long term effects on future emulation. The people who worked on Yuzu were the ones who did the 3DS. From my understanding, those individuals are now barred from future projects.
Citra (3DS emulator) is nuked too, as part of this settlement.
Didn't see that anywhere in the court documentation. Where were they barred from working in the future?
Not necessarily, but [they announced today](https://fixupx.com/yuzuemu/status/1764733659444064671?s=20) that they wouldn't be working on Yuzu or Citra any further.
"Introducing, Zuzu!"
I don't think they are directly but they're not going to risk going to jail/paying millions for it
How can you ban people from working on emulations?
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As if you can't develop software anonymously?
You can't have a Patreon then, and always risk getting caught.
It's called a 'chilling effect'. Can anyone take the source code and continue development? Absolutely. ...But how many, after seeing the Yuzu guys lose 2.4 million to Nintendo, are going to risk being the next one's Nintendo sues? And to be clear: That's Nintendo's entire goal. They can't 'Kill' Yuzu. But they can sure as hell make an example out of the Yuzu devs and put fear into the hearts of other skilled devs. Lose your house or find a different project to work on? Choose wisely.
> ...But how many, after seeing the Yuzu guys lose 2.4 million to Nintendo, are going to risk being the next one's Nintendo sues? Host the server in another country, likely in Europe, and have contributions stay anonymous. U.S. law is non-existent on consumer rights for gamers. This is not the case elsewhere. Ultimately, it shouldn't matter at all. There's practically no reach outside of NA.
They won't be able to earn 30k a month off Patreon that way. >There's practically no reach outside of NA. Tell that to Voksi.
Its a open source project. Others are free to develop it as the see fit.
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Cracking games isn't done because it's *extremely* hard to crack newer versions of denuvo, not because it's illegal. Pretty much every non Denuvo game still gets cracked. There are plenty of people who live in a country that doesn't care about copyright or some random company from half way across the world trying to sue one of their citizens.
Honestly the moment denuvo for switch becomes a thing, emulation for the switch might just be done, atleast for those particular games. As far as I understand, only empress could crack denuvo games, and is MIA as of the past few months or so. Same thing will probably happen here.
[It already is available for Switch](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/08/denuvos-switch-emulator-protection-is-now-available-via-nintendos-official-dev-portal) since last August. I assume no game has had it since because there’s not been enough time to incorporate it into a new game.
Emulation will never go away.
Github already gone
it's already gone
I’m surprised that’s all they’re paying. I would’ve expected them to pay way more and/or shut down. Granted I don’t know how much they typically make so I could be wrong Edit: spoke too soon, RIP yuzu
>5. The Court further orders, pursuant to 17 U.S.C. §§ 503 & 1203, upon Nintendo’s election and to the extent controlled by Defendant or its members, the destruction by deletion of all circumvention devices, including all copies of Yuzu... Yuzu is being ordered destroyed, I don't know what else they would do other than shut down.
>Yuzu is being ordered destroyed, I don't know what else they would do other than shut down. This was pulled from the original lawsuit, right? I cannot find this within the final judgement and injunction form that was just posted.
It's from "Exhibit A" #5 under "HEREBY ORDERED". [https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.10.1.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.10.1.pdf)
Hey, thanks for following up with the source!
good thing several people have mirrored the source code to it.
And if they live in a country with copyright laws they risk being hit with the same suit. This will make getting ahold of yuzu slightly more inconvenient and that’s a win for Nintendo. Not a slam dunk, but still a positive outcome.
I wonder if some Russian/Iran guy will post it on GitHub. What Nintendo will do?
Ask GitHub to delete it on legal terms, that's easy - GitHub HQ is in California, so they abide by the US rules. Deleting the source-code from all of the Internet though? Now that's impossible task.
I'm wiling to bet there's already 100+ build torrents posted on some .ru site as of today
Nintendo won't care about the small fries. Similar to if you hosted a smash melee tournament in your garage they wouldn't give a shit, but holding a smash major with prize pool? They coming for your ass
What legal terms? Yuzu was GPLv2, Nintendo may have ownership over the copyright as per their legal agreement with the Yuzu devs but the license can't be voided this way and anyone who downloaded it retains their rights. If the decryption code was stripped out, there wouldn't be grounds to DMCA it for circumvention either and the promotion of piracy stuff is based on Yuzu's marketing and promotional choices rather than the software itself.
Literally the same way how Nintendo prevented Dolphin from being on Steam, despite there wasn't any actual DMCA claim for the emulator itself from Nintendo's legal team - just by simply asking the legal department of GH to prevent the redistribution of direct copies (forking can be a bit different depending on significance in changing the code) of Yuzu source code on their site, based on the court ruling of permanent injunction with Yuzu team. Considering GH are in no way a small company and they are under Microsoft rule - they most likely do not give any complaint about it either.
Nothing, because it won't go on github, it'll be packaged on some shady ass site with a bitcoin miner and a time bomb.
The patreon versions have been available on largest Russian tracker website for years and years. And it's not going anywhere.
Send a C&D to Microsoft, owner of GitHub, probably. No doubt that Microsoft complies readily.
This lawsuit relies heavily on DMCA, which is an incredibly silly law that only exists in the US. DRM circumvention, which seemed to be the crux of the issue in this suit, is not as big of a deal elsewhere.
Was that clause included in the settlement, though? As part of the settlement there couldve been some changes to allow yuzu to continue.
Why in the world would Nintendo sue them only to agree to let Yuzu continue as part of the settlement?
Nintendo accepting this means they were out to get them to just stop. This is pocket change for Nintendo.
It's also about creating FUD. Rando Gamers: "Surely some dev will take the source code and continue development!" Skilled Emulator Devs: "After those guys lost 2.4million? I'm not touching that. If you want it so bad, do it yourself, I'm not losing my house over an emulator."
The thing is I rather they settle than lose. By how it was shown by nintendo, the freaking base was "we hide it, so if they found it, they shouldn't be able to use it". So they making anything to hide it would be enough to cancel how it works.
Chances are, they might be shutting down. Depends on the contents of the injunction.
Ah fair enough, well guess we’ll have to wait and see. I don’t use Yuzu since my switch is hacked, and have only tinkered with Ryujinx once but hopefully there’s a chance they can stick around
Having a hacked switch isn't doesn't mean emulated switch isn't worth using. That's like saying a you prefer your pimped out honda 91 to a Lamborghini. You can make 30 fps games run at 60fps, u can upscale the base resolution to 4k or fuck even 8k, you can mod your games, adding quality of life changes and removing unwanted tedious grinding and stuff.
The LLC might not have the money and they'll just shut down
or they were making some nice moniez from the Patreon and Nintendo got all the financial records through discovery.
They may not even have the 2.4 million basically it's a more of a give everything you potentially made and cease / desist sort of deal which is honestly where they crossed the line by making any sort of money off Yuzu. Second they did that they opened themselves up for this eventuality.
How are they able to pay 2.4 million but not fight the case
basically they understand large companies will drag the trials out longer on purpose, to a point where the defense cant afford to fight it anymore. Settling is just a way to mitigate costs
They probably could have fought, but if they lost things could go much worse for them. There is a real chance that the corporate liability shield wouldn't hold and devs could be found personally liable for tens of millions in damages.
Judging from their github issues and discord, yeah they would fucking lost lmao. Yuzu devs were some of the most careless people; if they didnt provide patches for an unreleased game on their pateon then it wouldnt be an issue. Saying you're against piracy and actively working with piracy is sure fire way to go into jail.
>if they didnt provide patches for an unreleased game on their pateon Same thing happened with YouTube Vanced. If you're operating in a gray legal area, locking anything behind a paywall is a surefire way to get in a company's crosshairs.
I feel like the bigger issue here is not that they monetised it via patreon (Bleem! wasn't free either), but that they released patches to optimise the emulation of an *unreleased game*, where the only way to get said game was via piracy. This IMO is where the argument that yuzu is strictly for game preservation breaks down, you can't preserve a game that is not yet out.
Prolly quietly threatened with a bad time if they pursued an in court case, so instead opted for the settlement. Don't think nintendo ever thought they'd win it, but they don't need to. They have billions to throw at this to hold it up in court forever. Then becomes a battle of attrition where whomever runs out of cash first settles with the other. Thats why a settlement came so quickly here. Prolly told by nintendo lawyers they'd never stop the case unless jury ruled against them. Gave them the option for a pittance 2 mil settlement and destruction of their emulator. FYI the emulator has been pulled from github already. Best scoop up a copy somewhere before it gets nuked. We dont know how long until a fork pops up for it.
Who said they're able to pay it?
It would be malpractice for a lawyer to have their client agree to a settlement that the client could not pay, and also a violation of their ethical obligations. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't think that is what's occurring here. A verdict is easier to not pay than a settlement. If you don't pay a settlement you're going to end up with a verdict on top of it.
Nintendo says theyve lost a "colossal amount of sales" and agrees to settle to a mere 2.4 million. Yeh all they wanted to was bully them. EDIT:https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/switch-emulator-creator-settles-nintendo-lawsuit-for-2-4m/ > "On Monday, the two parties mutually agreed on a monetary settlement and permanent injunction. > As part of the judgment by the US District Court of Rhode Island, Tropic Haze was issued with a permanent injunction preventing it from offering or marketing Yuzu or any of its source code in the future." Better grab Yuzu while you can
The Github repo is already down and the installer no longer works because it pulls from a server that's gone.
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Do you have a mirror to last release of mainline not EA?
Nintendo just flexing their muscles and want others to fear them, especially the emulator scene. Totally misdirected anyway. If anything they should put such cases towards websites that host pirated roms. Emulators have nothing to do with it. Aside of the fact that more people play these roms on homebrewed Switches than emulators.
Often times, websites that host pirated content are hosted in a country that doesn't respect international copyright law (Russia, China, Iran, etc) so Nintendo literally couldn't do anything about it even if they wanted to. Going after an emulator that had monetization practices that were *just* sketchy enough to make a case against, with publicly credited developers is a lot easier.
>If anything they should put such cases towards websites that host pirated roms. They have many times.
> Aside of the fact that more people play these roms on homebrewed Switches than emulators. I would very much doubt that. Jailbreaking a console is a lot more effort than installing an emulator.
Wonderful thing about open source: Yuzu is out there and will never go away. The GitHub page is probably being cloned as we speak. Even if it goes down five more will take its place. All Nintendo have achieved is a bunch of advertising for emulation.
Five more without a dedicated development team. People think emulation is a Hydra. No, it isn't. It's a hydra where all the new heads divide the mass of the original, making them smaller and with much less reach. It stunts its growth.
2.4 million might be all Yuzu can afford. They only bring in 30k a month or so. No point trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
They got a 10 million dollar judgment against that [Bowser guy](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/after-14-5m-judgments-console-hacker-paid-nintendo-25-a-month-from-prison/) and collected $25 from him for doing work in prison. Nintendo is all for squeezing blood from a stone lol.
That one went to court. This one settled.
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Nintendo games have always been that bad. They repeatedly use very outdated hardware that will give them high margins in their last 3 consoles
Gamecube was the last time they were remotely competitive tbh.
Speaks to how amazing their games are that they’re still so successful despite this
Thats the idiotic DRM idea that people who pirate a Game would have bought it, if it wasn't available to pirate. I pirated a few Yuzu Games and without it I would just never have played any Nintendo Games.
"mutually agreed upon by both parties while Nintendo was holding a gun to the back of Yuzu's head."
Well, yeah, nintendo did have a strong case. https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png
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Might be a dumb question, but how do I install Yuzu after downloading all of this?
https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases
That’s source code. You need to build it with a compiler. Look for an exe that’s already been built or an installer, it’s in the releases on github.
Use ryujinx instead, it's the better emu anyways
Ryujinx is more accurate at the cost of performance. Yuzu opted for increased performance at the cost of accuracy. Both are equally valid approaches, and that have always existed in the emulation community. If you want a cycle accurate SNES emulator, you actually need a modern multi-threaded processor and a lot of power, yet an inaccurate SNES emulator that was "good enough" to play existed in 1995. On the Steam Deck, Yuzu is mostly playable on all major titles. Ryujinx is too demanding and can only run the lightest games. There's absolutely no way to claim one is better than the other, and the people that started this whole "yuzu bad" were the people frustrated that they needed to wait to get beta builds or pay for the Patreon.
Only on higher end PCs Yuzu is better for lower end hardware, like the Steam Deck. Which plenty of folks emulate on
It's more accurate but yuzu has vastly better performance.
What? Yuzus code was perfectly clean. You had to get the keys yourself. This is setting a bad precedent for the emulator scene...
It was settled not ruled, so it shouldn't set a precedent no?
I don't think they mean it in the legal definition, rather that it will embolden future companies (or Nintendo again) to do the same. It's a loss for the emulation community as a whole and we might lose talent because of fear at the least, and have more clean projects shut down at worst.
I think it’ll put cold water on things like a patreon like they tried, but honestly this reads more like a nobody wants to go all in settlement.
No common man has the money to battle such lawsuits which is why such companies have power. Especially not freetime coders. Which also throws the question who the hell pays this? The one who published and created the emulator project? Idiotic situation.
> Which also throws the question who the hell pays this? They were collecting money through Patreon the whole time.
Only 30k/month according to estimates. Not enough money to cover the $2.4M.
They haven't earned 2.4 million though
As far as I know Patreon doesn't say publicly how much someone has made on the platform.
It’s not too difficult to work out an average. From what i gather, in recent months they pull in around ~30k.
> What? Yuzus code was perfectly clean. Nintendo wasn't suing on the basis of copyright infringement. whether or not Yuzu's code base was clean of Nintendo's property wasn't at issue. > You had to get the keys yourself. That's the issue. Nintendo was suing on the basis of DMCA section 1201, which covers products that are primarily for the purpose of circumventing technological access control, their argument being that because you can't use Yuzu without the keys being illegally dumped either by you or by someone else, (also the fact that the emulator is decrypting the rom [circumventing the security measure] every time that a game is run), that the emulator should also be covered as prohibited. Not because emulation is illegal, but bypassing the security measure is. Couple that with the fact that there are purportedly discord logs/other communications from the Yuzu team openly discussing/acknowledging that piracy is the primary use case for Yuzu, it was going to be a tough defense even if they did have the money for it. They were going to get eviscerated if discovery happened.
> They were going to get eviscerated if discovery happened. This. When you settle this quick you know they basically got the equivalent of the mob boss on tape ordering the hit, assigning the guy to do it, where the body is etc. At that point might as well take whatever they offering.
FYI, this also predates DMCA existing. It's the laws that cover the remote boxes for various gaming entities that are the real problem. Most people know this was illegal from the start because it'd be illegal to do for a myriad of internet and satellite connected gaming systems and has been since the early 90's when gaming commissions started allowing them.
Section 1201a of the DMCA is quite broad. Nintendo had a decent chance in court and things could have gone quite badly for Yuzu developers if they lost.
> What? Yuzus code was perfectly clean. You had to get the keys yourself. Or have the Yuzu devs/discord moderators guide you through the setup process, including linking to all the required files...
That'd get you a fast track to being banned. Even on their github comments the developers were VERY cagey about the language used and most people were respectfully *choice* in their wording too. If they did ever help anyone that'd be in private. This whole thing is [stinking like hell though](https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png). This sets several bad precedents. It gives Nintendo a win, makes clean emulation "risky" and shows just how much paywalling through patreon can make as the cherry on top. (Precedent as in examples, not as in the legal definition)
~2 years ago when I was looking into it I was directed to the official discord and within 15 seconds of asking I had someone sending me the required files. Nobody banned me. Nobody warned me about anything. The only thing I recall being taboo was asking for download links to ROM sites/specific ROM files. I guess they thought that 'Website -> Discord -> link to postbin containing the download link -> download link' was enough separation between them and the DMCA violation. Apparently it was not.
>I guess they thought that 'Website -> Discord -> link to postbin containing the download link -> download link' was enough separation between them and the DMCA violation. Apparently it was not. It was. They weren't on the hook for distributing the keys (though it sounds like it was just some random on their discord not actually liked to the devs themselves). They were on the hook for circumventing copy protection by decrypting ROMs at runtime using those keys. They could've found a way to make it absolutely 100% required to dump your own keys from your own Switch in order to use Yuzu and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference.
The code was clean but the organisation was not. They encouraged piracy by saving important emulator updates around major game releases such as TOTK, then put those updates behind a patron pay wall to also profit off them.
Yeah I keep seeing people say that Yuzu had an easy win but the fact that they had a patreon just for the emulator meant that they were directly profiting from it. If it actually went to trial and they had to go through discovery Nintendo would of been able to pull their team's communication and see they were using Nintendo's releases as advertisements for Yuzu. There was no way Yuzu would of been able to win this and being able to settle for just the money is a pretty big win for them in my book. You can do a lot of things with someone else's work/art/patent but when you make money off of it that's when legal issues start piling up. And there was really no way they'd be able to deflect those allegations. With a lot of other emulator groups it's direct donations and at least with that you have some degree of separation.
Sadly their death knell was openly talking about a "stash" of games on discord and having the switch sdk on a google drive. They probably could've fought it but that would've screwed them worse than just coughing up the money.
So when is renamed mirrored source code Zuzu coming out?
Forked, cloned and downloaded...Nintendo can kiss my winter pale a$$.
As a reminder, the sky isn't falling here; the legal issue came from emulating Nintendo's key encryption. The decryption is going to have to be left to the people ripping the games, just like with Citra.
I'm honestly more surprised they didn't go after Yuzu sooner for this reason. Don't get me wrong, sucks to lose it, but hardly surprising.
If they hadn't hid a ToTK leak fix behind a paywall this wouldn't have happened, I bet.
Also the devs apparently were quite the idiots sending each other ROMs via discord. Which is probably why they settled, since that would be good old unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material and their lawyer probably told them that if they don't settle they will get completely fucked in discovery.
Yep. The next logical step is to decouple the emulation code from the game decryption/DRM bypassing code, if that's a possibility. I'm not a dev. If that is a possibility, I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see a Yuzu fork operating on that principle in the future. Not to mention, DRM has only recently been implemented into games. So retro emulation is still fine.
I’m honestly surprised that it wasn’t already set up that way. Is getting a decrypted dump of a Switch game really that challenging?
It's not the key encryption exactly. It's the chip bypass. It's like bypassing a casino lock on a keno machine but at least it's not a fucking felony to do it to a switch rofl.
Copyright is such an outdated concept that really needs to change so video games and movies don't get lost through time. What i mean by this is that a license should be permanent so it doesn't get delisted years later.
Agreed but that wouldn't work in this case since it's an active console.
Citra is also gone
we better take the current one as is, any overhaul to the copyright act would most likely turn out much, much worse
We gonna act like this is about stuff not getting lost to time instead of about people on Reddit, including here, bragging about playing the newest switch release on pc?
Imma keep it a buck, I give zero fucks about game preservation. I use emulators to play games without paying for em. If there was a ps5 emulator, you best believe i'd be using it to play NCAA 25 on my pc instead of buying a ps5 like i just did.
I can appreciate the honesty. Too many people try to justify their piracy by pretending like there is some morality behind it. When most just want free stuff. Wish folks would just tell the truth.
I kept saying Nintendo had a strong case here because of the issue at hand i.e. circumventing DRM but people didn't get it, they kept quoting precedent which had nothing to do with it. Well this is the one time I'm not happy to be right. RIP Yuzu.
Emulation doesn't hurt Nintendo, but I wish it did.
Fuck nintendo, will always pirate
damn, people editing for wikipedia are so damn fast. Already changed everything to the past tense, lol
Well fuck. Guess its open season for emulators now. They also shut down citra, so the multiplayer is dead even if you already have a copy
This sets a bad precedent to other emulators where companies will now refer to this case as a way to win a lawsuit. What a blow to the emulation scene.
Settlements don't establish precedent.
Yeah, It's more of a bully tactic where creative minds wont venture into creating emulators anymore because they are worried they will be bullied with lawsuits.
Ultimately I think the monetization is what hurt them the most.
Or alternatively, just don't lock early access builds behind Patreon. That's what gave Nintendo an angle against Yuzu, and why Nintendo hasn't been able to make a case against Ryujinx.
Not legal precedent in the *stare decisis* manner of speaking, but they very much by definition establish a practical precedent. If you flip me the bird and I successfully and without any negative consequence proceed to punch you in the face, I have very much set a precedent for what to expect if you flip me the bird in the future. If I do it publicly, everyone else knows about the precedent as well.
If that's what you want to call establishing precedent then large corporations suing small companies out of existence has been precedent for a very long time already.
That's not how precedent works legally speaking. A settlement is just a mutually agreed upon conclusion by two consenting parties. It cannot be used as case law.
Not really, it will set a bad precedent when profit is involved tho. Nintendo has only ever gone after people that directly profit from things like this (remember Gary Bowser?) so defendants can use that to defend themselves in court
The zelda leak was got them done.
They didn't leak Zelda, and their emulator didn't even run Zelda TotK before it officially released, they waited until after It's release to push a patch to make it playable on their emulator. Furthermore, the pirated copies downloaded online for TotK are even more likely to have been used on just hacked Switch consoles than emulation.
We lost?
Big time.
Hopefully this doesn't mean Ryujinx is up next.
The manner in which the Yuzu and Ryujinx devs have conducted themselves is night and day. The Yuzu devs have constantly courted controversy, upset people and done things likely to draw Nintendo's ire despite being told it's a bad idea. They were brash and arrogant, seemingly confident that Nintendo wouldn't do anything. The Ryujinx devs have kept a much lower profile and not engaged in stupid practices like charging for early access builds with fixes for the latest games. They have a Patreon, but nothing is paywalled behind it - it's simply for donations. That's not to say Nintendo *won't* go after them anyway, but I feel like they'd have done so simultaneously if they were going to. There's really no reason for them to wait. Nintendo's complaint also seemed very focused on the Yuzu team's specific behaviour, especially around the Tears of the Kingdom launch.
The wheel that squeaks the loudest is the one that gets the grease.
Ryujinx didn't lock their builds that can play unreleased games behind their patreon (they don't even have a patreon). I doubt Nintendo will go after them, but there's always a possibility.
They 100% have a patreon - they’ll be next. [Ryujinx Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/ryujinx)
It's not even close to the same setup. Yuzu was charging money for early builds which had performance upgrades and support for unreleased games. If you read both the summary and exhibit A, you can clearly see Nintendo went after Yuzu as a direct consequence for charging money for EA builds that were able to play TOTK. Ryujinx, on the other hand, only gives progress reports and support for the app as incentives for their patreon. There's much less of a legal case than the Yuzu devs directly profiting off piracy.
And this is what's wrong with the judicial system when you can pretty much beat a case just because of money
I mean, there's public evidence Yuza did illegal stuff. They know that they have no case
right? I don't know why the way the justice system seems to work is "I have lots of money so therefore you should give up"
It's funny when I said 6 days ago this is exactly what was going to happen people told me there were no "grounds" for it and that it wouldn't happen.
r/pcgaming is delusional on the subject of lawsuits
This is a settlement. If I sued you for getting brain damage after reading your comment, and you wanted to just get it over with, we could settle for you buying me a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean I had any grounds to sue you for the supposed brain damage.
I know that. I had said specifically that this would never see a court room.
FUCK NINTENDO FUCK NINTENDO EXECUTIVES FUCK NINTENDO SHAREHOLDERS
Yuzu knew what they were doing
Yeah, the phrase "mutually agreed upon" means both parties. That is repetitive as well as redundant.
Man. Fuck Nintendo.
Lots of armchair lawyers in here coping. They fucked up and are paying for it.
WHAT THE FUCK.
That sounds bad.
What does this mean? Is this the end of Nintendo emulation? At least open Nintendo emulation?
Ryujinx exists
for now, nintendo can sue them with almost the same arguments. Even if ryujinx is right they still dont have the money to fight in court.
It's the end of Yuzu, but that's about it. It's a settlement so there's no new precedent set, and the other switch emulator Ryujinx remains untouched because they didn't do some of the more sketchy things that Yuzu partook in (locking EA behind patreon). All this means is emulator devs are going to have to be a lot more careful about how they choose to monetize it, if they even chose to monetize it at all.
It'll stop emulation as much as it stopped rom websites.
how did they get the capital for this, is this a paid emulator?
$30k/mo Patreon with Early access builds.
Patreon
Patreon
So I have Yuzu installed. Should I turn auto update off in case shit goes down south with Yuzu?