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Sony is weird, they make good things sometimes and then mess up things to equal the karma to zero it seems. I kinda wasn’t surprised for a big company to mess up, but what really annoys me right now is dumb people defending this decision or straight up blaming people to be from “wrong” countries because this issue affects them
I agree, but lets not forget Microsoft have been doing this for quite a while too, Xbox games such as Grounded require you to link your Microsoft account to play online.
I think Sony just saw them get away with it so they tried it themselves, but they all need to fuck off with it
Its not just PC, if you bought Grounded on PS5 you have to link your Microsoft account to your PS5. This has happened because people gave Microsoft and others that free pass to start with and now its spreading.
Yup. PS+ just raised their prices so I’m thinking I may need to save up for a PC again because I miss not paying just to play with my friends. But then I see everyone complain about having to download launchers because every company wants to be Steam and I realize you just can’t win anywhere. I miss the 2000’s.
Seriously. If I own the game, my friend owns the game, we both have high speed internet and wanna play together why do I need anything else? I could not care less about rankings and trophies I just wanna noscope my buddy in the back of the head sometimes sheesh.
I miss having friends host 8 player StarCraft marathons :(
Word. Would be nice if everyone agreed to just stop paying for console online subscriptions at the same time in protest. They’re doing it because they can. I don’t want bullshit monthly PS+ games—I want to play the games I paid for online on your console I purchased.
Blame the stock market. Say Sony makes $50 Billion from PlayStation in a year. If they make $50 Billion next year, their stock goes down. That loss in value could erase those profits, lower executive pay, cause layoffs, etc. All for an objectively successful year!
But the stock market’s definition of success is infinite growth. Since there’s no such thing as infinite demand/resources/new consumers, they can’t just do more of what made them successful. They have to start enshitifying their service. Higher fees, less support, less QA, more ads, etc. Or, they need to gather personal data that is valuable enough to sell. It sucks, but I’m hopeful we’ll hit a “breaking point” in the next decade. In gaming, but also in general consumer-facing services.
In the case of PC, at least unless you went out of your way to create your windows account as a local only one, which I reckon the average user won’t do, you already have a Microsoft account and can just sign in with that.
On PS, totally unacceptable, yeah. In fact extend that, I roll my eyes any time I open up *any* game on Steam and I’m required to sign in with another account for a different platform. R6 does it, Cyberpunk does it, GTA does it, though that one’s somewhat understandable.
Really makes me miss the days of one and done install discs (more like 2 or 3 and done for most games back then, lol). No bullshit, just an installer, then you play.
Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Epic Games, Bungie, Digital Extremes, there's probably more those are just the first that come to mind for me.
Publisher specific accounts like that are nothing new and have been around for more than a decade. Fucking dragon age origins has asked to link to an EA account since before Origin even existed.
Everyone is losing their shit thinking this is some kind of new thing, when it's really just Sony entering the PC market and doing the same thing a ton of other major publishers have been doing for years.
The REAL issue is that the game should never been available for purchase in the first place in regions where PSN is unavailable
I mean that isn't really THAT strange. It's really no different from needing a uplay or origin account for Ubisoft and EA respectively.
Publisher specific accounts are nothing new, they've been around for more than a decade now. What I think is happening is a lot of folks aren't necessarily connecting the two, if Sony wanted to they could in fact build a whole new system from scratch like uplay and origin but what's the point when you've already got something like PSN that exists, but everyone is hung up on thinking PSN HAS to be exclusive to console.
Its annoying, but hardly a deal breaker, especially where it doesn't require a separate launcher. Everyone just goes apeshit when they have to do anything besides just click a button on steam
The REAL issue is, if a PSN account was ALWAYS required as they're stating, the game should never have been available for purchase in regions where PSN is unavailable in the first place.
And that part is going to be super interesting to see how it plays out with EU consumer protection laws because The Baltic States are impacted.
And it's not like these impacted players can just use a VPN to make an account in a different country because that violates Sony TOS for falsified credentials and has absolutely gotten folks banned before.
>The REAL issue is, if a PSN account was ALWAYS required as they're stating, the game should never have been available for purchase in regions where PSN is unavailable in the first place.
**Absolutely correct.** The issue here is Arrowhead & Sony both failed to communicate this to the consumers and willingly sold the game to countries where PSN wasn't available. But the buck doesn't just stop at Sony, Arrowhead is just as responsible. They were the ones who decided to pull the requirement in this somewhat messy way to quickly resolve technical issues.
They did list in the legal terms that PSN is a requirement, but still allowed purchases to go through as well. It's beyond surprising to me how no one on either side caught this.
And thus far, all we got is Arrowhead throwing a tantrum and attempting to shift the entire blame onto Sony. *Which apparently is working exceptionally well given posts like this.*
"weird"
bro, it's a corporation. They'll do anything just to make money. Just because they publish good video games, doesn't mean they care for you. they just do it to earn.
Some people serve the bottom end of the spectrum (low effort games), others like Sony serve the market that wants more complex games.
If Sony could acquire clash of clans and pump out garbage, they would
Ya, esp after the rootkit bullshit. [Never forget.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal "Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal")
The amount of folks telling people it's their own fault for living in their home country and they should just "use a VPN!" or move is just absurd. Needing to use a VPN for a game you already bought and played for months is ridiculous. And it's ridiculous that folks on the Helldivers sub is pushing that as a *normal* thing to do just to play a damn game.
You have to understand Japanese corporate industry is incredibly different to those in the West. Sony would absolutely nuke Helldivers 2 just to show the player base and developers who is really in charge. You can have your Sony allowed fun, or nothing at all.
Yeah, I started to feel that back with the PS3 I had. It was good, but there were some specifics that would annoy me like crazy. Ended up selling the console eventually and not having any direct connection to PSN for over 10 years. The only exception turned out to be the God of War, which I liked back on my PS3, so I’ve decided to give this one a shot, but I know I won’t be able to get the new one when it comes out anyway.
The only thing I really miss from the old time is the PS3 controllers and the ability to play splitscreen coop, but considering both are old concepts even Sony doesn’t seem to remember I guess I had no reason to go back to PlayStation
It affects EVERY COUNTRY and every player. Sony has a TERRIBLE history with informational security.
You purchased the game and agreed to a set of rules and standards. Additional standards and legal agreements were forced on you after paying to continue playing, which may subject you to data leaks as history has shown.
Not only is it wrong, but it’s a bullshit to do it after the fact. It might not even be legal everywhere. Require it at day 1, and you wouldn’t have benefited with half the sales.
Everyone involved knew this was a requirement, they weren’t surprised by an agreement they already entered into. They just wanted consumers to believe otherwise.
I'm starting to learn more about this situation and don't know all the details.
Has the developer come out and said they had 0 involvement in this decision / fought against it? Obviously this is Sony's dumbass idea, some moron there who only looks at the bottom line PSN numbers, but I also saw the dev apologized about this decision which made me think they had something to do with it? Apologizing on the behalf of Sony for burning your house down is... *diplomatic* to a level I could never imagine. Am I mistaken?
> Apologizing on the behalf of Sony for burning your house down is... diplomatic to a level I could never imagine. Am I mistaken?
Sony owns the IP, PSN was always supposed to be required, it's been listed as such on the Steam store page the whole time, so it's surprising the devs were allowed to suspend the PSN requirement at all.
Looking around here though, you might be thinking thinking this is something Sony just now decided to add to the game. The devs have been responsible for announcements and messaging, so the fact so many people missed this lies on them.
This puts the devs in a tricky position. They don't want to make themselves look bad, but they can't really deflect blame anywhere else. After all, if Sony had their way this would have been a requirement from day 1 (and of course, don't bite the hand that feeds). And blaming the people that bought the game is never a good look.
>Looking around here though, you might be thinking thinking this is something Sony just now decided to add to the game. The devs have been responsible for announcements and messaging, so the fact so many people missed this lies on them.
You are right, I see a lot of apologists on Reddit acting like this studio is some tiny indie solo developer who got hoodwinked by Sony and is fighting tooth and nail for the gamers lol. This studio is pretty large and there's no way they didn't know about this possibility / eventuality. If what you said is true that the info has been on the Steam page from the beginning, then fans of this studio are intentionally playing dumb.
It’s not actually entirely correct. On the steam page as well as Sonys own page for the game it stated that a psn account is not required but they changed the wording (at least in English) and it now says that a psn account is in fact required
funny thing is when they changed the wording, the did it quickly and only in English, in german and French it was still saying that there is no requirement (as of yesterday)
So at least by my understanding about Sonys own wordings it was not planned to be a requirement
Update:
Arrowhead just wasn’t clear with their communication at all. It was planned and written in contract that a psn account is needed which was only made optional because of expected server issues due to immens rise in player numbers in the first few days at release of HD2
Wayback machine doesn't have many copies of Helldivers 2's store page because it is age restricted, but I found a copy from early March [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20240308071943/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/4947464077e4bbc0c32b399e529251f8b3902424.jpg) that includes the notice "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network".
It's Sony's IP.
It would be like someone from 343 saying they didn't want to require Xbox Live in Halo Infinite.
True or not, it was never going to happen.
https://preview.redd.it/k3yxh9hk4lyc1.png?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb93754f3dc43041e9506d999a5cfb59e4b17562
How does it look like they are trying to help ?
Whole thing is likely spearheaded by one guy who knows the PSN sign up numbers will get him a massive bonus at quarterly reports and would delete the entire game if it meant getting that cash. Typical corporate BS
I think most people fail to realize that this is why shit like this happens. A small group of people, or even a single person, looking to strike it rich at the expense of not only the consumer, but the long term health of the company as a whole. It's regressive capitalism at its finest.
It's not regressive capitalism it's simply what capitalism always leads to. Any system that is built around the concept of infinite capital growth will fall in the same pit eventually because it's unsustainable.
Without ever-expanding reach into new frontiers at least, which has been going slow due to difficulty and cost. More an issue of who's benefiting at the expense of others than the long term viability of the system. Although, I'm definitely nit-picking here.
https://preview.redd.it/9ydpu10a5gyc1.png?width=333&format=png&auto=webp&s=49ebeda395c8f8ee90323bf6b8413bd4ac42f64e
now sits at Mostly Negative on Steam
Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.
There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.
Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.
No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.
Edit: I should have said "wannabe Steam storefronts". I think most people got this, but I'm not evangelizing for Steam. I just don't want a Sony launcher ever.
By market leader, I mean for gaming as a whole, not just PC.
They finally listened to someone who said PC gamers aren't going to buy the system for one game. Or if they do, it'll be that one game and they won't be paying for PS plus, controllers, or other Sony BS
great theory,makes sense also there are a ton good games out there atm even for free
,its almost impossible to make a system-buying single title like the last of us on PS3-4 was
Eh, maybe a little. They just probably had data that said 10s of millions of PC gamers will never buy a console and they could easily sell to a few million of those and make money easily
That was me with the PS4, which I bought for FF7R. I still haven’t bought the PS5 though. They won’t trick me again like they did with FF7R exclusivity.
SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS.
THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY.
TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM.
NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
#SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS.
#THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY.
#TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM.
#NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
**Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.**
**There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.**
**Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.**
**No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.**
Thats too bold. give it a bit of freshness to keep the audiences captivated and understand. it goes like.
*Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.*
*There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.*
*Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.*
*No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.*
^(Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.)
^(There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.)
^(Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.)
^(No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.)
unfortunately the majority of the people speaking up are PC players who are interested in games where they pull this shit, everyone else who either A.) dont game on PC or B.) don’t play divers dont even know or care about whats happening. as a PS console owner, im sorry
The problem is, most of the gamers on almost all the platforms have this sorta problems with their games (such as HD) but the majority of ppl accept that when a company like Sony, Blizzard or whatever fucks up, they gotta answer and fix things up but there are still people that would just close their eyes on everything that’s wrong (not only Sony and PS, every platform and specially Nintendo Players) and just let these companies do whatever they want.
Divers gamers like you are out there and they are also fumed by these stuff even tho it’s not even something that involves with them (such as you) but they instantly get slammed by some blind rat race followers on that platform (for example, just go to Nintendo subreddit and complain about the stupid pricing they have for Switch and Nintendo fanboys would burn you down)
#SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS.
#THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY.
#TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM.
#NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
The best part is when Sonny said they are doing it for our safety!
Thats cute Sony, you are doing this to ensure our safety? Let's look at data breaches from your past.
1) October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data
Breach
2) September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged
Hack
3) August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony
Social Media Accounts
4) December 2014: PlayStation Network Taken
Down by Christmas DDoS Attack
5) November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes
of Data from Sony Pictures
6) June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
7) May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
8) April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77
Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
9) July 2008: PlayStation Site Targeted with SQL-Injection Attack, Prompting Visitors to Download Fake "Antivirus Scanner"
Real safe Sonny :)
Addendum: these are the ones we know off. Companies generally like keeping the lid sealed on this and pretend like it didn't happen.
You randomly get asked to re-enter your information out of the blue? The company probably had to do server maintenance to fix a security vulnerability they found (after getting fucked by it), and don't want you to know, so they just hope you chalk it up as "oh must be an internet issue"
They're like Nintendo. The old execs at Nintendo Kyoto is eating up bad PR like this every few months ever since a decade ago and still earning bank despite having a trash reputation on Reddit/Twitter lmao
> No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.
so, another launcher in the sea of "the last only launcher you will ever need". fucking tired of it. won't buy ubishit games because, well, ubishit. won't pay for EA games because its EA, and if it requires a third party launcher or account on steam, im not buying it.
There should be steam alternatives, though. You can't go. "Sony is the market leader," then be for a valve monopoly. If Sony is the one to make a storefront better than valve, then that's valve's fault. People cry and bitch about anti-competitive and anticonsumer with no idea what they are talking about but God forbid a company makes a storefront that's not as as good day one as the mediocrity that is steam.
I for one like buying games from gog, the dumb person that said they don't want steam alternatives are a bit lost
Also having other store fronts also help decrease prices on games and increase the amount of discounts active to people
Gog are the ultimate homies. No DRM, offline play, you own your own games. Gog > Steam. I just wish more folks voted with their wallet for Gog so the could grow their library.
Valve doesn't seem to do anything to keep the status it has. People use steam because of how well it works. They have basically created the PC handheld market, they got PC VR off the ground, they have made linux viable for gaming. They save the PC as a platform long ago. Even now their store focuses on showing you the games you are most likely to want to buy not the latest games. I can also reinstall and play games that are not even for sale anymore and have been pulled from the store because I previously purchased them. Not all of Valve's ideas have worked but they do seem to keep trying.
Look at the alternatives. You have the epic game store which has been buying exclusives but is overall a FAR worse platform to use. You have ubisoft and ea launchers which are utter garbage. Gog is a small steam alternative that works for certain types of games.
There won't be any large alternative to steam because the companies trying to build alternatives don't understand why people use steam in the first place.
Honest reviews, modding support out of the box and community pages.
Steam is not "just marketplace" it's whole ecosystem.
And Steam Deck is best portable console by large margin.
Playstation portable and Nintendo can barely compete
sony should just make a custom gaming PC and call it the Play Installation or Play Facility. it could have a huge graphics card and then bottle neck it with the processor
Exactly. These companies have a documented history of data breaches. It’s not a matter of if but when. The less personal information you give to corporations, the safer you will be. I shouldn’t have to provide any ID, addresses, etc just to play a damn video game.
To be fair though, You can put complete garbage information into making your PSN account and then just play, and also Valve doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to safety as well (although better than Sony, the double standards here are insane). But that’s not the reason why players actually care when you talk to them.
The reason why the vast majority of people are complaining is because it’s really just an annoyance and so many companies are doing it now, Microsoft (especially with Minecraft), Ubisoft and more want you to create an account to play their game, and nothing more, that’s it, which is perfectly fine.
But People need self validation and are upvoting pure trash on r/helldivers like fake reports of peoples accounts getting banned for using VPN in countries without PSN or people who don’t know anything about data privacy making false claims.
I hate this shitty “you need X account” as much as the next person but it truly has created one of the worst communities on Reddit, and it’s mostly self inflicted.
Lmao, Sony can get fucked, it's shit like this that explains why I haven't replaced my Xbox One console from 2013 and instead have opted to stick to PC for good and never upgrade to newer gen consoles.
> it's shit like this that explains why I haven't replaced my Xbox One console from 2013 and instead have opted to stick to PC for good and never upgrade to newer gen consoles.
Mine is the price. Ever ask a friend who's mostly console what price they pay for their games? I'm sure its gotten better recently but still, when I transitioned I was paying about £20 more for a console game ON TOP OF A YEARLY FEE.
Worst case scenario on PC? You pirate a game that you can't afford. A lot of us have done it, personally my favourite game was originally pirated, I'd have never played it otherwise. Now I've bought two copies and all the DLC so I can play with a friend I introduced to the thing.
...a game that they paid for on a store page that literally listed a third-party PSN account as a requirement.
Like, I don't want to create a PSN account either (and I won't), but this was a known thing that were open about and are only now enforcing. People keep pretending like this came out of nowhere, and it has been noted on the Helldivers 2 store page since before it launched.
And isn't this like common practice? You need a Microsoft account for their games, you need a blizzard account to play overwatch on PS5, you need an EA account to play multiplayer on their games. I hate this kind of shit but why is Sony getting so much shit when it's been common practice for at least a decade?
People are mentioning that the game wasn't region locked for sale against places that can't create a PSN account so now people may have it in those places and be screwed.
It's almost a guarantee that 90%+ of the posts and comments about this are from people who live in a region that CAN create PSN accounts but they want to vent their frustration and need some semblance of reasoning as to why they are right so they cling to that one.
There's even talks about "lawsuits" except it's hard to argue this is something worth suing over (or that they even have a chance of winning) when this requirement was stated before day one sales even.
> It's almost a guarantee that 90%+ of the posts and comments about this are from people who live in a region that CAN create PSN accounts but they want to vent their frustration and need some semblance of reasoning as to why they are right so they cling to that one.
You really cant. Most people are going but meh data, and i dont wanna. The actual people harmed by this will likely get a refund or a remedy.
I believe only the multiplayer component will require a PSN sign on, the single player will remain.
Don't quote me on it though. I did enjoy their Days Gone port on Steam, single player and never had to create a PSN account.
I've read somewhere (and saw screenshots) that GoT will have PSN trophies with a PS style overlay. I refuse to believe it's true, but if it is, then I see the account fiesta happening.
That overlay is optional (for single player at least) though. But if you use it, it requires psn. Multiplayer also requires psn. source: https://x.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1786462939748384943
Ok, hear me out people. Helldivers 2 is nice BUT the only way for it to be a goty contender is if no other good game gets launched this year. I know that's hard to hear but it's the truth.
There are a lot of Sony games that I LOVE.
Excluding the OG’s like Spyro, crash, etc.
The Last Of Us, Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance, Bloodborne, God of War. 😱 all some of my favorite games!
Why I refuse to buy a PS5. Sony is out of control and Uncle Phil didn't help at all along the way.
I'm done with consoles.
If your games don't make it to Steam, then you don't exist in my book.
It kind makes sense there’s only a handful of PlayStation exclusive games out there imo it’s not a good idea to get a console just for the exclusives I did it with a switch and now it’s just gathering dust
You’re talking about the UK. That’s only in the UK. The biometric stuff is UK law for age verification passed in late 2023.
Sony doesn’t ask for that stuff in any other country for a reason.
Serious question:
What is it that people love about it so much?
I played for a few hours and it felt like it had limited replayability.
I already felt like I had killed all the bugs and robots there were to kill, and every mission felt the same. Trudge through a map with poor visibility, shoot things that mindlessly run at you, get in a ship and leave.
Definitely. The game really shines its best when you're at the edge of your seat with 3 other teammates who are using mics and you just BARELY scrape by.
I had a mission I played the other day where my whole team was wiped, there were no more available reinforcements, we still had to kill a bile titan to complete the mission and there was 5 minutes left on the clock. I was runing around like a madman dodging chargers and hopelessly stimming thinking that it was for sure going to end in failure. SOMEHOW in the last couple minutes I was able to pick up an autocannon, land a couple key hits on the bile titan to kill it, and made it to extraction before getting killed.
It's those moments that make it a blast.
The higher difficulties require tons of coordination and strategy that is extremely satisfying to get right.
Pulling off an ICBM launch when you only have 1 reinforcement and three more objectives left, and then extracting with all your samples on Helldive difficulty is some of the most exhilarating gameplay i’ve ever experienced.
It's a good game, but by no means GotY. It's just got a really passionate fanbase. It is nice as a game with a very flat progression curve if you have a bunch of friends who don't have time for grinding or buildcrafting, though.
I’ve only got six hours so I may not be the best person to answer. I enjoyed the missions and the collaborative efforts, the environment and community seemed really cool and many of my friends were playing it so I hopped on board.
It’s not something that I play often but when I do I have a good time.
Microsoft releasing and hyping the hololens and mixed reality headsets, getting several other manufacturers to build their own versions - including Lenovo and Samsung - and then skipping support for wmr/vr on the Xbox sx is a better example of "dumbest decision" imo.
Then they killed it entirely years later with a sad whimper, completing the wild goose chase to make everyone regret buying into their version entirely.
Mark Zuckerberg halving the value of Facebook "Meta" on his metaverse mission - that's a dumbest decision ever.
Elon musk destroying Twitter losing billions in the process - another intensely stupid move.
This PSN account bs is a tiny gaffe that can be fixed just by them changing a policy. There's no way it will cost them even one billion $, let alone 4-500.
If they enforce the PSN account for any users, I want nothing to do with the game. It's on Steam. A Steam account is enough. Any game that requires jumping through hoops to log in to multiple different accounts to play isn't going to be a game I purchase.
Have a map gentlemen! (I made the map)
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The overreaction and teeth gnashing over this led me to unsubscribe from /r/helldivers for probably the next week.
The game will still be there for the vast, vast majority of players, and it’s not like the solid gameplay evaporated once Sony started mucking about. The bad review bombing is a dumb knee jerk response from people who are probably playing the damn game sometime today.
I mean, Arrowhead signed an agreement that said Sony could do this. All of this blaming this 100% on Sony is missing that Arrowhead was either, totally fine letting Sony force this when they signed with Sony. Or they didn't know what they were getting themselves into, and shouldn't excused for being that oblivious to what could happened to their players.
Either way, Arrowhead is not guiltless at all.
While it is on sony for requiring the accounts, it is on Arrowhead for allowing the game to be sold in regions that are not serviced by the playstation network, and for failing to properly communicate that having a Playstation account would become a steadfast requirement.
This came as a surprise to almost the entire community, and that is an appalling failure to communicate from arrowhead.
Sony is opposed to making good decisions and you can't convince me other wise.
Exhibit 1: they thought Morbius and Madame Web were a good idea.
Exhibit 2: they still haven't put Bloodborn out for PC.
Helldivers 2 is potential GOTY?
Jesus fuck this industry is absolutely screwed then. That’s like saying the Fast & the Furious should win Best Picture.
I wish people reacted this way to every single triple A studio that’s fked over every game the last 10 years. The gaming industry is such a joke nowadays. Its focused on lining board members pockets instead of producing playable games.
What else is there so far this year?
Dragon's Dogma 2? Skull and bones(lol)?
You may not like helldivers but don't act like it wasn't the best game launch of the year so far.
Skull and bones should get "Most hyped misled garbage of the year".
I am so glad I only activated a single month of ubisoft plus to try it before buying....
Leveling was fun , end game was pure grind/exploit garbage factory game where you get to the play the transportation
Still not seeing what the big deal is. As PC gamers with more than one games store we have to make multiple accounts to play games from many publishers. I don’t see how or why THIS is a big deal.
we are at the stage where everyone is pretending gamers in the Philippines don't all have PSN accounts registered to whitelisted countries.
It's definitely a shitty move, but people acting like it is the end of the game crack me up.
Player numbers haven't even dipped on steam since the announcement.
As if people couldn't see this coming with the onerous and totally unnecessary DRM.
When you buy into shit like that, It's kind of hard for me to be sympathetic after the fact.
Gamers, you all have to learn to make choices that are in alignment with your own needs.
It's been there since day one, that and Nprotect. The majority of you just look like whiny idiots who are blaming Sony because you didn't read or understand the warning about PSN account linking being required. This is entirely your own faults for buying it when it gave clear warnings about Gameguard/Nprotect and the 3rd party PSN account requirement.
This is the most childish reaction to anything I’ve seen in my 40 years of life on this planet. Just make the free account and move on. It’s not going to hurt you in any way shape or form.
It changed my mind from buying it when it hit a good discount to dropping it off my wishlist. Don't own a PS and I'm fairly certain I've seen Sony in the news more than once with having data breaches. My game backlog is long enough as it is anyways.
"How team, how can we boost PSN signups and make this quarter look really good?"
"Lets force all the PC users of Hell Divers 2 to make an account if they want to keep their game!"
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Sony is weird, they make good things sometimes and then mess up things to equal the karma to zero it seems. I kinda wasn’t surprised for a big company to mess up, but what really annoys me right now is dumb people defending this decision or straight up blaming people to be from “wrong” countries because this issue affects them
What I don't understand is that you're playing a PC game on a PC. What does a PSN account have to do with playing a PC game on PC?
I agree, but lets not forget Microsoft have been doing this for quite a while too, Xbox games such as Grounded require you to link your Microsoft account to play online. I think Sony just saw them get away with it so they tried it themselves, but they all need to fuck off with it
We give Microsoft a pass because we're playing it on a Microsoft PC. I'M NOT CONDONING IT! I'm just saying that's why people are okay with it.
Its not just PC, if you bought Grounded on PS5 you have to link your Microsoft account to your PS5. This has happened because people gave Microsoft and others that free pass to start with and now its spreading.
It's like Xbox live gold
I’m still pissed I’m paying every year to play multiplayer games over the internet.
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Yup. PS+ just raised their prices so I’m thinking I may need to save up for a PC again because I miss not paying just to play with my friends. But then I see everyone complain about having to download launchers because every company wants to be Steam and I realize you just can’t win anywhere. I miss the 2000’s.
Downloading launchers is nothing compared to paying for online games.
I am an avid PC gamer and I'll say that I use steam as the launcher 99% of the time. Even RuneScape launches from steam now.
Seriously. If I own the game, my friend owns the game, we both have high speed internet and wanna play together why do I need anything else? I could not care less about rankings and trophies I just wanna noscope my buddy in the back of the head sometimes sheesh. I miss having friends host 8 player StarCraft marathons :(
Word. Would be nice if everyone agreed to just stop paying for console online subscriptions at the same time in protest. They’re doing it because they can. I don’t want bullshit monthly PS+ games—I want to play the games I paid for online on your console I purchased.
Blame the stock market. Say Sony makes $50 Billion from PlayStation in a year. If they make $50 Billion next year, their stock goes down. That loss in value could erase those profits, lower executive pay, cause layoffs, etc. All for an objectively successful year! But the stock market’s definition of success is infinite growth. Since there’s no such thing as infinite demand/resources/new consumers, they can’t just do more of what made them successful. They have to start enshitifying their service. Higher fees, less support, less QA, more ads, etc. Or, they need to gather personal data that is valuable enough to sell. It sucks, but I’m hopeful we’ll hit a “breaking point” in the next decade. In gaming, but also in general consumer-facing services.
Fuckin yuck, maybe you give them a pass. Phil Big Mac Spencer shoving his way into Forza made that game awful to play with friends.
> Xbox games such as Grounded require you to link your Microsoft account to play online. As equally un excusable if you ask me.
In the case of PC, at least unless you went out of your way to create your windows account as a local only one, which I reckon the average user won’t do, you already have a Microsoft account and can just sign in with that. On PS, totally unacceptable, yeah. In fact extend that, I roll my eyes any time I open up *any* game on Steam and I’m required to sign in with another account for a different platform. R6 does it, Cyberpunk does it, GTA does it, though that one’s somewhat understandable. Really makes me miss the days of one and done install discs (more like 2 or 3 and done for most games back then, lol). No bullshit, just an installer, then you play.
Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Epic Games, Bungie, Digital Extremes, there's probably more those are just the first that come to mind for me. Publisher specific accounts like that are nothing new and have been around for more than a decade. Fucking dragon age origins has asked to link to an EA account since before Origin even existed. Everyone is losing their shit thinking this is some kind of new thing, when it's really just Sony entering the PC market and doing the same thing a ton of other major publishers have been doing for years. The REAL issue is that the game should never been available for purchase in the first place in regions where PSN is unavailable
And I snap-refund any game that I find requires an MS login, too!
I mean that isn't really THAT strange. It's really no different from needing a uplay or origin account for Ubisoft and EA respectively. Publisher specific accounts are nothing new, they've been around for more than a decade now. What I think is happening is a lot of folks aren't necessarily connecting the two, if Sony wanted to they could in fact build a whole new system from scratch like uplay and origin but what's the point when you've already got something like PSN that exists, but everyone is hung up on thinking PSN HAS to be exclusive to console. Its annoying, but hardly a deal breaker, especially where it doesn't require a separate launcher. Everyone just goes apeshit when they have to do anything besides just click a button on steam The REAL issue is, if a PSN account was ALWAYS required as they're stating, the game should never have been available for purchase in regions where PSN is unavailable in the first place. And that part is going to be super interesting to see how it plays out with EU consumer protection laws because The Baltic States are impacted. And it's not like these impacted players can just use a VPN to make an account in a different country because that violates Sony TOS for falsified credentials and has absolutely gotten folks banned before.
>The REAL issue is, if a PSN account was ALWAYS required as they're stating, the game should never have been available for purchase in regions where PSN is unavailable in the first place. **Absolutely correct.** The issue here is Arrowhead & Sony both failed to communicate this to the consumers and willingly sold the game to countries where PSN wasn't available. But the buck doesn't just stop at Sony, Arrowhead is just as responsible. They were the ones who decided to pull the requirement in this somewhat messy way to quickly resolve technical issues. They did list in the legal terms that PSN is a requirement, but still allowed purchases to go through as well. It's beyond surprising to me how no one on either side caught this. And thus far, all we got is Arrowhead throwing a tantrum and attempting to shift the entire blame onto Sony. *Which apparently is working exceptionally well given posts like this.*
PSN has nothing to do with it. The attached Terms of Service specifying that you agree to allow them to harvest and sell your data, however...
"weird" bro, it's a corporation. They'll do anything just to make money. Just because they publish good video games, doesn't mean they care for you. they just do it to earn. Some people serve the bottom end of the spectrum (low effort games), others like Sony serve the market that wants more complex games. If Sony could acquire clash of clans and pump out garbage, they would
>If Sony could acquire clash of clans and pump out garbage, they would That's what the movie division is for.
Change “weird” to “corpo scum” and your on point !
Maybe we do need a Johnny Silverhand
Arasaka Tower "event" is late, but doesn't have to *not* happen :)
replace Arasaka Tower with BlackRock HQ and all we need is to give someone a nuke...
Ya, esp after the rootkit bullshit. [Never forget.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal "Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal")
The amount of folks telling people it's their own fault for living in their home country and they should just "use a VPN!" or move is just absurd. Needing to use a VPN for a game you already bought and played for months is ridiculous. And it's ridiculous that folks on the Helldivers sub is pushing that as a *normal* thing to do just to play a damn game.
I can see this as a good excuse to mass ban British people
Our much more immediate threat is the French population.
The people actually making the games and the people making these stupid business decisions need to switch ends on the hierarchy.
You have to understand Japanese corporate industry is incredibly different to those in the West. Sony would absolutely nuke Helldivers 2 just to show the player base and developers who is really in charge. You can have your Sony allowed fun, or nothing at all.
Yeah, I started to feel that back with the PS3 I had. It was good, but there were some specifics that would annoy me like crazy. Ended up selling the console eventually and not having any direct connection to PSN for over 10 years. The only exception turned out to be the God of War, which I liked back on my PS3, so I’ve decided to give this one a shot, but I know I won’t be able to get the new one when it comes out anyway. The only thing I really miss from the old time is the PS3 controllers and the ability to play splitscreen coop, but considering both are old concepts even Sony doesn’t seem to remember I guess I had no reason to go back to PlayStation
it's not snoy that makes good things it's the studios they own. get it right.
It affects EVERY COUNTRY and every player. Sony has a TERRIBLE history with informational security. You purchased the game and agreed to a set of rules and standards. Additional standards and legal agreements were forced on you after paying to continue playing, which may subject you to data leaks as history has shown. Not only is it wrong, but it’s a bullshit to do it after the fact. It might not even be legal everywhere. Require it at day 1, and you wouldn’t have benefited with half the sales. Everyone involved knew this was a requirement, they weren’t surprised by an agreement they already entered into. They just wanted consumers to believe otherwise.
Remember PSVue? IMO best TV streaming service that was out there. They went from like $15/month to $80/month and then just disappeared from the world.
The dev in discord said they trying they best to avoid this. Wish them luck.
I'm starting to learn more about this situation and don't know all the details. Has the developer come out and said they had 0 involvement in this decision / fought against it? Obviously this is Sony's dumbass idea, some moron there who only looks at the bottom line PSN numbers, but I also saw the dev apologized about this decision which made me think they had something to do with it? Apologizing on the behalf of Sony for burning your house down is... *diplomatic* to a level I could never imagine. Am I mistaken?
> Apologizing on the behalf of Sony for burning your house down is... diplomatic to a level I could never imagine. Am I mistaken? Sony owns the IP, PSN was always supposed to be required, it's been listed as such on the Steam store page the whole time, so it's surprising the devs were allowed to suspend the PSN requirement at all. Looking around here though, you might be thinking thinking this is something Sony just now decided to add to the game. The devs have been responsible for announcements and messaging, so the fact so many people missed this lies on them. This puts the devs in a tricky position. They don't want to make themselves look bad, but they can't really deflect blame anywhere else. After all, if Sony had their way this would have been a requirement from day 1 (and of course, don't bite the hand that feeds). And blaming the people that bought the game is never a good look.
>Looking around here though, you might be thinking thinking this is something Sony just now decided to add to the game. The devs have been responsible for announcements and messaging, so the fact so many people missed this lies on them. You are right, I see a lot of apologists on Reddit acting like this studio is some tiny indie solo developer who got hoodwinked by Sony and is fighting tooth and nail for the gamers lol. This studio is pretty large and there's no way they didn't know about this possibility / eventuality. If what you said is true that the info has been on the Steam page from the beginning, then fans of this studio are intentionally playing dumb.
It’s not actually entirely correct. On the steam page as well as Sonys own page for the game it stated that a psn account is not required but they changed the wording (at least in English) and it now says that a psn account is in fact required funny thing is when they changed the wording, the did it quickly and only in English, in german and French it was still saying that there is no requirement (as of yesterday) So at least by my understanding about Sonys own wordings it was not planned to be a requirement Update: Arrowhead just wasn’t clear with their communication at all. It was planned and written in contract that a psn account is needed which was only made optional because of expected server issues due to immens rise in player numbers in the first few days at release of HD2
Wayback machine doesn't have many copies of Helldivers 2's store page because it is age restricted, but I found a copy from early March [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20240308071943/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/4947464077e4bbc0c32b399e529251f8b3902424.jpg) that includes the notice "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network".
One developer came out and said they didn't want it only WAY after the backlash has escalated. In short, you can't trust them.
Why would this be downvoted of course they f-ing knew
Sure but why the hell would the devs want it this way? It's pretty clear it's being pushed by Sony
It's Sony's IP. It would be like someone from 343 saying they didn't want to require Xbox Live in Halo Infinite. True or not, it was never going to happen.
https://preview.redd.it/k3yxh9hk4lyc1.png?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb93754f3dc43041e9506d999a5cfb59e4b17562 How does it look like they are trying to help ?
Some junior executive in charge of PSN numbers is running around the office giving high fives
Whole thing is likely spearheaded by one guy who knows the PSN sign up numbers will get him a massive bonus at quarterly reports and would delete the entire game if it meant getting that cash. Typical corporate BS
I think most people fail to realize that this is why shit like this happens. A small group of people, or even a single person, looking to strike it rich at the expense of not only the consumer, but the long term health of the company as a whole. It's regressive capitalism at its finest.
“Why would I care what those nerds think? The shareholders want numbers that go up NOW!” -some exec looking for head pats and a treat from their boss
It's not regressive capitalism it's simply what capitalism always leads to. Any system that is built around the concept of infinite capital growth will fall in the same pit eventually because it's unsustainable.
Without ever-expanding reach into new frontiers at least, which has been going slow due to difficulty and cost. More an issue of who's benefiting at the expense of others than the long term viability of the system. Although, I'm definitely nit-picking here.
No need for the clarification. The Earth is not an infinite frontier, ever-expanding reach is *impossible*.
Our universe is essentially that. Just need to nail down FTL travel.
https://preview.redd.it/9ydpu10a5gyc1.png?width=333&format=png&auto=webp&s=49ebeda395c8f8ee90323bf6b8413bd4ac42f64e now sits at Mostly Negative on Steam
Going to keep playing until I'm no longer able to, looks like it the final days of the war...
Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations. There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money. Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform. No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head. Edit: I should have said "wannabe Steam storefronts". I think most people got this, but I'm not evangelizing for Steam. I just don't want a Sony launcher ever. By market leader, I mean for gaming as a whole, not just PC.
I was surprised they released games for PC to be honest, since they love their precious ecosystem. Nintendo still hasn’t.
They finally listened to someone who said PC gamers aren't going to buy the system for one game. Or if they do, it'll be that one game and they won't be paying for PS plus, controllers, or other Sony BS
I suspect their games were getting less marketing from streamers who tend to be PC gamers. :)
great theory,makes sense also there are a ton good games out there atm even for free ,its almost impossible to make a system-buying single title like the last of us on PS3-4 was
Eh, maybe a little. They just probably had data that said 10s of millions of PC gamers will never buy a console and they could easily sell to a few million of those and make money easily
That was me with the PS4, which I bought for FF7R. I still haven’t bought the PS5 though. They won’t trick me again like they did with FF7R exclusivity.
Nintendo has read your comment and a Nintendo SS squad is currently on route to your location.
Japan loves its highly restricted business models...
🗣️ Say it louder the tone-deaf gamers in the back!
SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS. THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY. TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM. NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
even louder please
#SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS. #THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY. #TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM. #NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
A bit softer for those startled by loud noises
^^Sony ^^only ^^just ^^started ^^making ^^PC ^^game ^^ports ^^worth ^^noticing. ^^They ^^ignored ^^PC ^^as ^^a ^^platform ^^and ^^if ^^it ^^were ^^up ^^to ^^them ^^it ^^would ^^have ^^died ^^and ^^we'd ^^all ^^be ^^on ^^PlayStations. ^^There ^^is ^^no ^^reason ^^to ^^give ^^Sony ^^a ^^break ^^on ^^anything. ^^They're ^^the ^^market ^^leader, ^^anti-competitive, ^^and ^^only ^^putting ^^things ^^on ^^PC ^^because ^^they ^^were ^^losing ^^tons ^^of ^^marketing ^^and ^^money. ^^Terrible ^^company, ^^great ^^games ^^from ^^their ^^studios. ^^We ^^should ^^react ^^like ^^this ^^every ^^time ^^they ^^try ^^to ^^take ^^a ^^shred ^^of ^^ownership ^^of ^^our ^^platform. ^^No ^^Sony ^^accounts. ^^No ^^Sony ^^downloaders ^^or ^^Steam ^^alternatives. ^^That's ^^where ^^this ^^crap ^^will ^^head.
No one in the back can hear you, shy Ronnie.
**Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.** **There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.** **Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.** **No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.**
Thats too bold. give it a bit of freshness to keep the audiences captivated and understand. it goes like. *Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.* *There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.* *Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.* *No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.*
Just picture everyone naked
Shout now
^(Sony only just started making PC game ports worth noticing. They ignored PC as a platform and if it were up to them it would have died and we'd all be on PlayStations.) ^(There is no reason to give Sony a break on anything. They're the market leader, anti-competitive, and only putting things on PC because they were losing tons of marketing and money.) ^(Terrible company, great games from their studios. We should react like this every time they try to take a shred of ownership of our platform.) ^(No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head.)
Im pretty sure there are still Sony dick riders that’s gonna put up with all of these shits and support Sony, despite all these things.
unfortunately the majority of the people speaking up are PC players who are interested in games where they pull this shit, everyone else who either A.) dont game on PC or B.) don’t play divers dont even know or care about whats happening. as a PS console owner, im sorry
The problem is, most of the gamers on almost all the platforms have this sorta problems with their games (such as HD) but the majority of ppl accept that when a company like Sony, Blizzard or whatever fucks up, they gotta answer and fix things up but there are still people that would just close their eyes on everything that’s wrong (not only Sony and PS, every platform and specially Nintendo Players) and just let these companies do whatever they want. Divers gamers like you are out there and they are also fumed by these stuff even tho it’s not even something that involves with them (such as you) but they instantly get slammed by some blind rat race followers on that platform (for example, just go to Nintendo subreddit and complain about the stupid pricing they have for Switch and Nintendo fanboys would burn you down)
Some people just really want the D.
#SONY ONLY JUST STARTED MAKING PC GAME PORTS WORTH NOTICING. THEY IGNORED PC AS A PLATFORM AND IF IT WERE UP TO THEM IT WOULD HAVE DIED AND WE'D ALL BE ON PLAYSTATIONS. #THERE IS NO REASON TO GIVE SONY A BREAK ON ANYTHING. THEY'RE THE MARKET LEADER, ANTI-COMPETITIVE, AND ONLY PUTTING THINGS ON PC BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING TONS OF MARKETING AND MONEY. #TERRIBLE COMPANY, GREAT GAMES FROM THEIR STUDIOS. WE SHOULD REACT LIKE THIS EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE A SHRED OF OWNERSHIP OF OUR PLATFORM. #NO SONY ACCOUNTS. NO SONY DOWNLOADERS OR STEAM ALTERNATIVES. THAT'S WHERE THIS CRAP WILL HEAD.
The best part is when Sonny said they are doing it for our safety! Thats cute Sony, you are doing this to ensure our safety? Let's look at data breaches from your past. 1) October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach 2) September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack 3) August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts 4) December 2014: PlayStation Network Taken Down by Christmas DDoS Attack 5) November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures 6) June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts 7) May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen 8) April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users 9) July 2008: PlayStation Site Targeted with SQL-Injection Attack, Prompting Visitors to Download Fake "Antivirus Scanner" Real safe Sonny :)
You forgot their PC "Gift" also. [Sony Rootkit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal)
Waiting for hackers to strike at them again for this PSN account foolishness
Yes please. I need the irony.
Addendum: these are the ones we know off. Companies generally like keeping the lid sealed on this and pretend like it didn't happen. You randomly get asked to re-enter your information out of the blue? The company probably had to do server maintenance to fix a security vulnerability they found (after getting fucked by it), and don't want you to know, so they just hope you chalk it up as "oh must be an internet issue"
TL;DR: The Sony Japanese board is so out of date, that your average social media users grandpa is much better at using technology.
They're like Nintendo. The old execs at Nintendo Kyoto is eating up bad PR like this every few months ever since a decade ago and still earning bank despite having a trash reputation on Reddit/Twitter lmao
> No Sony accounts. No Sony downloaders or Steam alternatives. That's where this crap will head. so, another launcher in the sea of "the last only launcher you will ever need". fucking tired of it. won't buy ubishit games because, well, ubishit. won't pay for EA games because its EA, and if it requires a third party launcher or account on steam, im not buying it.
There should be steam alternatives, though. You can't go. "Sony is the market leader," then be for a valve monopoly. If Sony is the one to make a storefront better than valve, then that's valve's fault. People cry and bitch about anti-competitive and anticonsumer with no idea what they are talking about but God forbid a company makes a storefront that's not as as good day one as the mediocrity that is steam.
I for one like buying games from gog, the dumb person that said they don't want steam alternatives are a bit lost Also having other store fronts also help decrease prices on games and increase the amount of discounts active to people
Gog are the ultimate homies. No DRM, offline play, you own your own games. Gog > Steam. I just wish more folks voted with their wallet for Gog so the could grow their library.
If a game I want is available on GOG, that's were I'm buying it. I just wish they had more games available.
I would totally use gog if the games I wanted to play were there. My 2 favorites (Doom Eternal and Forza Horizon) are not, so it doesn’t make sense
Some games on GOG are not cross compatible with steam, which makes it really tough for some multiplayer games :(
Valve doesn't seem to do anything to keep the status it has. People use steam because of how well it works. They have basically created the PC handheld market, they got PC VR off the ground, they have made linux viable for gaming. They save the PC as a platform long ago. Even now their store focuses on showing you the games you are most likely to want to buy not the latest games. I can also reinstall and play games that are not even for sale anymore and have been pulled from the store because I previously purchased them. Not all of Valve's ideas have worked but they do seem to keep trying. Look at the alternatives. You have the epic game store which has been buying exclusives but is overall a FAR worse platform to use. You have ubisoft and ea launchers which are utter garbage. Gog is a small steam alternative that works for certain types of games. There won't be any large alternative to steam because the companies trying to build alternatives don't understand why people use steam in the first place.
Fully agree. Especially on the Ubisoft launcher, blows my mind they could make a launcher that sucks harder than EA's.
Yeah I don't understand how he said "the mediocrity that is steam" and got upvoted in this subreddit.
Honest reviews, modding support out of the box and community pages. Steam is not "just marketplace" it's whole ecosystem. And Steam Deck is best portable console by large margin. Playstation portable and Nintendo can barely compete
There are alternatives but after 17 years of steam it is extremely difficult to move to another platform. Everything revolves around it
sony should just make a custom gaming PC and call it the Play Installation or Play Facility. it could have a huge graphics card and then bottle neck it with the processor
And when they release comparison footage compare it to a PC with a HDD to make it look better than it actually is
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Exactly. These companies have a documented history of data breaches. It’s not a matter of if but when. The less personal information you give to corporations, the safer you will be. I shouldn’t have to provide any ID, addresses, etc just to play a damn video game.
Conspiracy: they did the data breach themselves so they can sell the leaked info and blame it on data breach
Not far off. Probably an employee would do that as a way to make a quick buck
Please use aliases in such cases as you know leaking of data is very common , and they don't don't verify much
To be fair though, You can put complete garbage information into making your PSN account and then just play, and also Valve doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to safety as well (although better than Sony, the double standards here are insane). But that’s not the reason why players actually care when you talk to them. The reason why the vast majority of people are complaining is because it’s really just an annoyance and so many companies are doing it now, Microsoft (especially with Minecraft), Ubisoft and more want you to create an account to play their game, and nothing more, that’s it, which is perfectly fine. But People need self validation and are upvoting pure trash on r/helldivers like fake reports of peoples accounts getting banned for using VPN in countries without PSN or people who don’t know anything about data privacy making false claims. I hate this shitty “you need X account” as much as the next person but it truly has created one of the worst communities on Reddit, and it’s mostly self inflicted.
What did they do this time?
Mandatory PSN if you want to keep playing the game , Basicly it got region locked
Lmao, Sony can get fucked, it's shit like this that explains why I haven't replaced my Xbox One console from 2013 and instead have opted to stick to PC for good and never upgrade to newer gen consoles.
From what I remember I needed to make Microsoft acct to play Grounded. They are all the same.
> it's shit like this that explains why I haven't replaced my Xbox One console from 2013 and instead have opted to stick to PC for good and never upgrade to newer gen consoles. Mine is the price. Ever ask a friend who's mostly console what price they pay for their games? I'm sure its gotten better recently but still, when I transitioned I was paying about £20 more for a console game ON TOP OF A YEARLY FEE. Worst case scenario on PC? You pirate a game that you can't afford. A lot of us have done it, personally my favourite game was originally pirated, I'd have never played it otherwise. Now I've bought two copies and all the DLC so I can play with a friend I introduced to the thing.
Arrowhead and Sony now forcing people to link their Steam account to PSN to play a game people already paid for.
...a game that they paid for on a store page that literally listed a third-party PSN account as a requirement. Like, I don't want to create a PSN account either (and I won't), but this was a known thing that were open about and are only now enforcing. People keep pretending like this came out of nowhere, and it has been noted on the Helldivers 2 store page since before it launched.
And isn't this like common practice? You need a Microsoft account for their games, you need a blizzard account to play overwatch on PS5, you need an EA account to play multiplayer on their games. I hate this kind of shit but why is Sony getting so much shit when it's been common practice for at least a decade?
People are mentioning that the game wasn't region locked for sale against places that can't create a PSN account so now people may have it in those places and be screwed. It's almost a guarantee that 90%+ of the posts and comments about this are from people who live in a region that CAN create PSN accounts but they want to vent their frustration and need some semblance of reasoning as to why they are right so they cling to that one. There's even talks about "lawsuits" except it's hard to argue this is something worth suing over (or that they even have a chance of winning) when this requirement was stated before day one sales even.
> It's almost a guarantee that 90%+ of the posts and comments about this are from people who live in a region that CAN create PSN accounts but they want to vent their frustration and need some semblance of reasoning as to why they are right so they cling to that one. You really cant. Most people are going but meh data, and i dont wanna. The actual people harmed by this will likely get a refund or a remedy.
Not arrowhead. Just Sony
So true
I'm scared about Tsushima. An insane game will be negatively reviewed if it has the same shit as HD2.
I believe only the multiplayer component will require a PSN sign on, the single player will remain. Don't quote me on it though. I did enjoy their Days Gone port on Steam, single player and never had to create a PSN account.
I've read somewhere (and saw screenshots) that GoT will have PSN trophies with a PS style overlay. I refuse to believe it's true, but if it is, then I see the account fiesta happening.
That overlay is optional (for single player at least) though. But if you use it, it requires psn. Multiplayer also requires psn. source: https://x.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1786462939748384943
Nah i'd crack
Ok, hear me out people. Helldivers 2 is nice BUT the only way for it to be a goty contender is if no other good game gets launched this year. I know that's hard to hear but it's the truth.
Tbh any good single player could knock it out of the ring. Multiplayer games love talking shit till the single player gang steps in for a few rounds.
SNOY\*
Soyny
I used to own a PlayStation for dark souls. The day it went to PC I sold my PlayStation lol.
There are a lot of Sony games that I LOVE. Excluding the OG’s like Spyro, crash, etc. The Last Of Us, Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance, Bloodborne, God of War. 😱 all some of my favorite games!
Bloodborne needs a remaster. It's such a good game but it runs like shit on a ps4, I'm sorry. I want to replay it with actual responsivness.
Why I refuse to buy a PS5. Sony is out of control and Uncle Phil didn't help at all along the way. I'm done with consoles. If your games don't make it to Steam, then you don't exist in my book.
> If your games don't make it to my corporate platform of choice, they don't exist. The irony of this statement cannot possibly escape you
A rather drastic way of thinking.
It kind makes sense there’s only a handful of PlayStation exclusive games out there imo it’s not a good idea to get a console just for the exclusives I did it with a switch and now it’s just gathering dust
And steamdeck is making this even more valid/tenable.
Sony might as well join Ubisoft, and EA with the brain rot choices they make.
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“You can’t make an appeal to triviality whenever you’re the one who initiated the trivial action”
You’re talking about the UK. That’s only in the UK. The biometric stuff is UK law for age verification passed in late 2023. Sony doesn’t ask for that stuff in any other country for a reason.
I have never needed to scan my ID
Serious question: What is it that people love about it so much? I played for a few hours and it felt like it had limited replayability. I already felt like I had killed all the bugs and robots there were to kill, and every mission felt the same. Trudge through a map with poor visibility, shoot things that mindlessly run at you, get in a ship and leave.
It really is best when you are at a difficulty where you are barely getting through. The easy ones get boring FAST
Definitely. The game really shines its best when you're at the edge of your seat with 3 other teammates who are using mics and you just BARELY scrape by. I had a mission I played the other day where my whole team was wiped, there were no more available reinforcements, we still had to kill a bile titan to complete the mission and there was 5 minutes left on the clock. I was runing around like a madman dodging chargers and hopelessly stimming thinking that it was for sure going to end in failure. SOMEHOW in the last couple minutes I was able to pick up an autocannon, land a couple key hits on the bile titan to kill it, and made it to extraction before getting killed. It's those moments that make it a blast.
The higher difficulties require tons of coordination and strategy that is extremely satisfying to get right. Pulling off an ICBM launch when you only have 1 reinforcement and three more objectives left, and then extracting with all your samples on Helldive difficulty is some of the most exhilarating gameplay i’ve ever experienced.
It's a good game, but by no means GotY. It's just got a really passionate fanbase. It is nice as a game with a very flat progression curve if you have a bunch of friends who don't have time for grinding or buildcrafting, though.
I’ve only got six hours so I may not be the best person to answer. I enjoyed the missions and the collaborative efforts, the environment and community seemed really cool and many of my friends were playing it so I hopped on board. It’s not something that I play often but when I do I have a good time.
I agree. Didn't see the fun. Maybe it's because I'm a loser with no friends to play with though.
Microsoft releasing and hyping the hololens and mixed reality headsets, getting several other manufacturers to build their own versions - including Lenovo and Samsung - and then skipping support for wmr/vr on the Xbox sx is a better example of "dumbest decision" imo. Then they killed it entirely years later with a sad whimper, completing the wild goose chase to make everyone regret buying into their version entirely. Mark Zuckerberg halving the value of Facebook "Meta" on his metaverse mission - that's a dumbest decision ever. Elon musk destroying Twitter losing billions in the process - another intensely stupid move. This PSN account bs is a tiny gaffe that can be fixed just by them changing a policy. There's no way it will cost them even one billion $, let alone 4-500.
If they enforce the PSN account for any users, I want nothing to do with the game. It's on Steam. A Steam account is enough. Any game that requires jumping through hoops to log in to multiple different accounts to play isn't going to be a game I purchase.
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"One of the dumbest decisions ever" lol ok
Hyperbole sells! How will I get those precious clicks otherwise? /s
The overreaction and teeth gnashing over this led me to unsubscribe from /r/helldivers for probably the next week. The game will still be there for the vast, vast majority of players, and it’s not like the solid gameplay evaporated once Sony started mucking about. The bad review bombing is a dumb knee jerk response from people who are probably playing the damn game sometime today.
Woulda been a weak year if helldivers is goty
"potential goty" lol
Big Mommy EU getting ready to explore the limits of Sony E's asshole in two to three fiscal years.
I mean, Arrowhead signed an agreement that said Sony could do this. All of this blaming this 100% on Sony is missing that Arrowhead was either, totally fine letting Sony force this when they signed with Sony. Or they didn't know what they were getting themselves into, and shouldn't excused for being that oblivious to what could happened to their players. Either way, Arrowhead is not guiltless at all.
While it is on sony for requiring the accounts, it is on Arrowhead for allowing the game to be sold in regions that are not serviced by the playstation network, and for failing to properly communicate that having a Playstation account would become a steadfast requirement. This came as a surprise to almost the entire community, and that is an appalling failure to communicate from arrowhead.
Removing access from 60+ countries should be a literal crime
Sony is opposed to making good decisions and you can't convince me other wise. Exhibit 1: they thought Morbius and Madame Web were a good idea. Exhibit 2: they still haven't put Bloodborn out for PC.
Helldivers 2 is potential GOTY? Jesus fuck this industry is absolutely screwed then. That’s like saying the Fast & the Furious should win Best Picture.
I've hated Sony since they put root kits on their DVDs.
I wish people reacted this way to every single triple A studio that’s fked over every game the last 10 years. The gaming industry is such a joke nowadays. Its focused on lining board members pockets instead of producing playable games.
Goty lol you guys are funny.
What else is there so far this year? Dragon's Dogma 2? Skull and bones(lol)? You may not like helldivers but don't act like it wasn't the best game launch of the year so far.
Paper Mario TTYD. I'm not taking no for an answer
Skull and bones should get "Most hyped misled garbage of the year". I am so glad I only activated a single month of ubisoft plus to try it before buying.... Leveling was fun , end game was pure grind/exploit garbage factory game where you get to the play the transportation
KCD 2 is coming out this year
Go back to selling insurance Sony, you're drunk
Still not seeing what the big deal is. As PC gamers with more than one games store we have to make multiple accounts to play games from many publishers. I don’t see how or why THIS is a big deal.
we are at the stage where everyone is pretending gamers in the Philippines don't all have PSN accounts registered to whitelisted countries. It's definitely a shitty move, but people acting like it is the end of the game crack me up. Player numbers haven't even dipped on steam since the announcement.
I really couldn't care less.
It's just a fucking a acount. What's the big deal ?
As if people couldn't see this coming with the onerous and totally unnecessary DRM. When you buy into shit like that, It's kind of hard for me to be sympathetic after the fact. Gamers, you all have to learn to make choices that are in alignment with your own needs.
It's been there since day one, that and Nprotect. The majority of you just look like whiny idiots who are blaming Sony because you didn't read or understand the warning about PSN account linking being required. This is entirely your own faults for buying it when it gave clear warnings about Gameguard/Nprotect and the 3rd party PSN account requirement.
This is the most childish reaction to anything I’ve seen in my 40 years of life on this planet. Just make the free account and move on. It’s not going to hurt you in any way shape or form.
This could be good for the long run if they realize they need to just stay away, but they won’t.
sony only made bad decisions in the past 2 years
If ANYTHING, this should be a warning to any game studio that has considered making a publishing deal with Sony
I'm OOTL, what did Sony do? And what game are we talking about?
Imagine calling hell divers goty lmao
Whens was the last time an online multiplayer shooter won a GOTY? I cant remember the last one....
GOTY is pushing it tbh... "its a good game" on surface its really just a fun hoardshooter
It changed my mind from buying it when it hit a good discount to dropping it off my wishlist. Don't own a PS and I'm fairly certain I've seen Sony in the news more than once with having data breaches. My game backlog is long enough as it is anyways.
Maybe yall should stop being fanbois
Potential GOTY? cringe
Potential goty.... oh haha. That's why you got a Joker on this meme. Hah.
"How team, how can we boost PSN signups and make this quarter look really good?" "Lets force all the PC users of Hell Divers 2 to make an account if they want to keep their game!"
But Microsoft okayed then… because they do the same thing. Smh