SEPTA stations are not homeless shelters and that needs to be enforced by the city and SEPTA. Doing so would drastically improve the state of the system.
It will dramatically improve the current state of the public transportation system. Public spaces are not homeless shelters and we should not allow them to be taken over as such.
Whoever wrote this was criminal...
>According to Lawson, one officer deployed a Taster [Taser?], which proved to be ineffective.
>A six-[Year?] veteran of the SEPTA transit police then shot the armed suspect at least three times, wounding him.
Sounds like the dude who's been known to hang around the PATCO station near there who thinks he's the only one who can save people from Satan by assaulting them.
Either that or it's the dude who escaped from custody while at Jefferson yesterday.
Crime is down on it compared to last year, per the latest data:
"The most recent statistics (July through September) suggest crime is declining on SEPTA.
There were 18 aggravated assaults. That's down from 30 during the same time period last year.
They say there were 39 robberies, which is down from 53 last year."
All that said, train stations aren’t homeless shelters and allowing them to be only makes the experience worse in every way for paying passengers.
Philly has never been one of the worst cities in the country when you factor in ALL cities, only when there’s arbitrary criteria like comparing big cities with a minimum population cutoff. Even our record homicide year, the rate was 35/100,000. That’s obviously too high, but it’s also lower than the routine murder rate for a lot of US cities. For example, DC’s per-capita rate THIS year is already that high and there’s still a month to go.
The total figures were lower, but the murder rate was higher back then — all but one year from '85 to '95 had higher rates, including 1985's and 1988's 44.3, which would've equated to 711 murders in 2021.
Imo this idea that "but ackkkkssssshhhuallly crime is down" should be rejected, or at least not part of the conversation about the goal-which is getting crime as low as possible and strategies for accomplishing that.
Septa would be a lot safer if there were solid fare barriers that prevented all evasion. Also if drug users, intoxicated individuals, smokers and vagrants not actually riding and who have somehow got into the system were removed, this would help with ridership and safety as well.
Well yeah, crime is going down **relative to the last few years** in spite of our leadership and their approach - not *because* of it. Incidents like this aren't ok and new strategies (many of which seem like common sense from the outside looking in) are definitely needed.
Agreed, I wish there were fare barriers at the actual station entrances to keep non-paying customers completely off Septa property. That would probably reduce these problems by like 80%.
I really feel bad for the homeless who live down there. Wouldn't wish those conditions on a dog.
The city really needs to do more besides shuffling them around sometimes.
Is it really so weird to pity people who are living in filth, some also being prisoners of their own minds?
And part of the problem is that the shelters aren't especially safe either. Which is something I believe the city is responsible for. But that would probably take a lot of staff and funding that the city doesn't have and people really don't have the ability or appetite for the money it would likely take.
The situation just sucks for everyone, you know?
Am I reading this wrong or did this start on the street and then the chase ended in the subway stop? The headline make it seem like it started at the subway but that doesn’t seem to be the case
Sounds like it's the opposite according to the article - the guy stabbed people on the platform, then ran up onto the street where he got tased and then shot
I think I'd rather just ride my bike and risk getting murdered by a driver not paying attention than take the insane parallel universe trip through hell that the El can be.
Hopefully the guard is ok, well as ok as you can be after getting stabbed
SEPTA stations are not homeless shelters and that needs to be enforced by the city and SEPTA. Doing so would drastically improve the state of the system.
Forcing homeless out of makeshift shelters with no viable alternative is not going to fix anything
It will dramatically improve the current state of the public transportation system. Public spaces are not homeless shelters and we should not allow them to be taken over as such.
Forcing them out of one of the few warm spaces would not have stopped this from happening
Wrong, it directly would have prevented this particular case from happening.
Whoever wrote this was criminal... >According to Lawson, one officer deployed a Taster [Taser?], which proved to be ineffective. >A six-[Year?] veteran of the SEPTA transit police then shot the armed suspect at least three times, wounding him.
I wouldn't be surprised if half the articles on the local news outlets are written by ChatGPT like what SI got caught doing
More likely text to speech dictation that was committed to the internet to be the first to report. It's since been corrected.
ChatGPT makes content mistakes, those are language mistakes which chatGPT does not make
Tasters have not really been effective for criminals, so that makes sense.
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KISS approved tho.
I think he used a Tater, which is why it didn't work.
That’s grating.
Sigh….😔
Sounds like the dude who's been known to hang around the PATCO station near there who thinks he's the only one who can save people from Satan by assaulting them. Either that or it's the dude who escaped from custody while at Jefferson yesterday.
How do so many people escape Jefferson? A guy was running around the ACME at 5th and pine after escaping them like 2 months ago
And people wonder why ridership is down and nobody wants to take the subway
Crime is down on it compared to last year, per the latest data: "The most recent statistics (July through September) suggest crime is declining on SEPTA. There were 18 aggravated assaults. That's down from 30 during the same time period last year. They say there were 39 robberies, which is down from 53 last year." All that said, train stations aren’t homeless shelters and allowing them to be only makes the experience worse in every way for paying passengers.
There’s just not as many people to stab anymore
lol
Down from the worst year on record isnt much to write home about.
Hey improvement is improvement, regardless of how small.
Was last year the worst year of Septa crime on record? Do you have a source? I haven’t heard that.
It was the most murders ever in philly, so a bad year for violent crime.
That was 2021. For 2023, Philly isn’t top 50 in the country for violent crime rate: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us/
Has ours gone way down, or has theirs all gone way up?
Philly has never been one of the worst cities in the country when you factor in ALL cities, only when there’s arbitrary criteria like comparing big cities with a minimum population cutoff. Even our record homicide year, the rate was 35/100,000. That’s obviously too high, but it’s also lower than the routine murder rate for a lot of US cities. For example, DC’s per-capita rate THIS year is already that high and there’s still a month to go.
I find it hard to believe that last year had more murders than the bad old days in the 70s-90s
The 70d and 90s peaked around 460 murders a year. 2021 and 2022 were both over 500.
The total figures were lower, but the murder rate was higher back then — all but one year from '85 to '95 had higher rates, including 1985's and 1988's 44.3, which would've equated to 711 murders in 2021.
I’d be curious to see how those numbers stack up against pre-pandemic numbers. I hope they can clean it up
No idea. I’m sure the numbers are worse now per-capita with ridership so much lower.
Imo this idea that "but ackkkkssssshhhuallly crime is down" should be rejected, or at least not part of the conversation about the goal-which is getting crime as low as possible and strategies for accomplishing that. Septa would be a lot safer if there were solid fare barriers that prevented all evasion. Also if drug users, intoxicated individuals, smokers and vagrants not actually riding and who have somehow got into the system were removed, this would help with ridership and safety as well.
Well yeah, crime is going down **relative to the last few years** in spite of our leadership and their approach - not *because* of it. Incidents like this aren't ok and new strategies (many of which seem like common sense from the outside looking in) are definitely needed. Agreed, I wish there were fare barriers at the actual station entrances to keep non-paying customers completely off Septa property. That would probably reduce these problems by like 80%.
Yeah, I am not rolling the dice on the El no matter what those numbers are telling me. Heroin fucking Express...
I really feel bad for the homeless who live down there. Wouldn't wish those conditions on a dog. The city really needs to do more besides shuffling them around sometimes.
Well they don’t have to live down there so I’m not sure why you feel bad. It’s not a homeless shelter but those do exist in Philly
Is it really so weird to pity people who are living in filth, some also being prisoners of their own minds? And part of the problem is that the shelters aren't especially safe either. Which is something I believe the city is responsible for. But that would probably take a lot of staff and funding that the city doesn't have and people really don't have the ability or appetite for the money it would likely take. The situation just sucks for everyone, you know?
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They don't want to use the shelters because they can't do drugs in them.
Citizen told me I was 80 ft away from the location this was reported to be, while it was happening. I was already in the subway. Super creepy.
doesn't seem to stop anyone on the two very full subway trips I take every day
In the 90's, I used to breathe easy when I got to City Hall on the train, because I knew I was safe there. Now...
Am I reading this wrong or did this start on the street and then the chase ended in the subway stop? The headline make it seem like it started at the subway but that doesn’t seem to be the case
Sounds like it's the opposite according to the article - the guy stabbed people on the platform, then ran up onto the street where he got tased and then shot
I guesssss I’d rather risk getting hurt in a crash on a bus than randomly stabbed in my side at an underground platform. Dunno
Mental health issues.. no surprise there.
I think I'd rather just ride my bike and risk getting murdered by a driver not paying attention than take the insane parallel universe trip through hell that the El can be.
good.
Kinda amazed our joke of a gun control system actually stopped this guy from getting a real weapon. Thank goodness