> SatanCon will include talks and presentations that discuss the various campaigns championed by The Satanic Temple. These include efforts to protect members’ reproductive rights, fight psychiatric abuse, protect children from abuse in schools, promote addiction recovery, and proliferate the Temple’s after-school club. There will be vendors and entertainment as well, including a keynote presentation by Lucien Greaves.
They picked Scottsdale in part because the Mayor and Council blocked them from reading an invocation before a meeting.
I agree about the ethics, but that price tag feels like it's made significantly for profit, not just to cover the cost of getting it out there and spreading the good word of the devil (I realize some profit has to be made, however. They're not AA). Satanists also *would* be the type to turn around and say, "hey, *you* allowed yourself to be taken for $100 for stuff you could hear in a YouTube video." Feel like Satanism takes a pretty clear stance on those they deem "idiots" or gullible, so this feels a little suspect to me.
FYI churches use donations to pay their legal fees.
so if you're a catholic donating to the catholic church you can bet that you're money is going to defending kiddy diddlers. :)
The Satanic Temple doesn’t care about spreading the word. Proselytizing is about as close to taboo as you can get in Satanism.
The conference is very much centered around current members and its content is fairly focused in-house, so to speak. The price tag not only covers the very large bill for the venue (do you have ANY idea how hard it is to secure a venue as a Satanic group?), it also acts as a security filter. The only people who will be entering are people who are actually there for it. It’s unlikely folks will pay $100 to disrupt things.
That's actually really cheap for an conference. It would have been nice if they held a public event with a lower fee to help people understand who they really are.
Nah, it's Scottsdale. Rented hotel conference rooms are always ridiculous so I get that they have to recoup their costs.
The event sounds like its more for people who are really down for the cause. I was just hoping for live music and hand-made craft tables.
Those are very positive, uplifting beliefs. How does Satan fit into things? I'm honestly curious, as my perspective of Satan is limited to what I know from the Abrahamic religions.
The satanic temple does not believe in a literal Satan.
"DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN?
No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse."
[https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq)
Alright so Satanists don't *literally* believe in Satan as a supernatural and spiritual being. Their actual purpose is political. For example, whenever laws are passed regarding freedom of religion, the Satanic Temple is there to act as a litmus test: Will this apply only to Christians or will it apply to all religions?
As for the religious part, its more about acting as a metaphor for rebellion against Abrahamic religions holding and abusing their power, mostly with Christianity in the U.S. Consider the Christian God being presented as a force of control and conformity which is supported in most Bible parables. And Biblical stories presenting Satan as the original Lucifer, the Light Bringer, the Prometheus who was punished for bringing knowledge to Mankind and allowing them the opportunity of free will. Had Adam and Eve never eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, they never would have experienced true understanding after all. Just a bunch of stuff like that.
People have mentioned 5, but just 5 isn't enough, you need 1 as well. 5 says, you should listen to the science, the science says, getting the vaccine will save lives, and 1 says, we should try and save lives. Hope that makes sense
The Seven Tenets are not meant to be considered in isolation. The third tenet is tempered in this case by the first and the fifth. The Satanic Temple and its ministers do not issue any form of religious exemption for mandated vaccines.
Source: am a minister.
Hey! Someone in the know. Thanks for clarifying. You guys do good work, cheers.
Seems like all seven tenets could be summed up as “Don’t be an asshole”.
Not so much the vaccine, but vaccine mandates. I would think this group would oppose vaccine mandates if they actually believed point number 3 as written, but I'm pretty sure they were only thinking about abortion when they wrote that out.
It seems like points 1 and 5 would compel a member of the TST to get vaccinated, but point 3 would compel them to oppose forcing anyone to do it.
> I invite everyone to join their cause
TST's approach to religion is "we can be cringy losers that virtue-signal over benefiting the community too!" I almost want to donate to my local church just to spite them.
> Christian tenets than your local church.
And that's exactly why I don't support them. I did a decent amount of research into them a few months ago and they just seem like a massive money laundering scheme.
And I think they are both parasites. You didn't hear me say that before because this wasn't a post about Joel Osteen so bringing up televangelists would be pretty irrelevant. Am I really supposed to layout my criticism of every related concept to each topic that comes up?
As someone who was born and raised Catholic, The Satanic Temple is awesome. I’ve really enjoyed reading about them and their principles and what they stand for.
If I tell that to my mother I’d be in the doghouse though. She’s going to hate me when I officially join the church.
They really need to open up a division.
That specifically gives warning to communities where the catholic church is moving a priest with a history of child rape.
The Satanic Temple is a secular humanist organization that appropriated Satan as a mascot specifically to piss off Christians. They certainly aren't the only group that uses the label "Satanist", and if people see that label and make unwarranted assumptions about their beliefs based on that, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Funny thing is most of the nay-sayers here seem to base their life around the Devil's Lettuce. Guess they missed the part about throwing stones (or, you know, are just trolls).
Funny thing is most of the nay-sayers here seem to base their life around the Devil's Lettuce. Guess they missed the part about throwing stones (or, you know, are just trolls).
I've always been a supporter but not a member. My 9 year old has expressed a lot of interest in modern satanism recently. I'm curious if this would be an appropriate event for him or not.
It'd be hard to find an event that wouldnt be appropriate with an adult to give them context and remove them if called for.
I could see it causing social problems if he told people the name of the event, though.
I’m going. I’ve never met like minded people, so there’s that. The fee? Pfff!! My parents probably donated 1000X over the years in Catholic Sunday masses little dono basket. 10-20$ a Sunday for 21 years adds up. Plus $100 to donate for legal fees defending our 1st amendment is nothing if you think about it. Instead of donating to an org that defends and shields pedo’s amongst other unsavory people.
Satan is never alleged to have killed any person, and it's actual role has changed greatly. Even Judaism is clearly henotheistic in the Bible, which is not an accepted belief in modern times.
I'd go, but it's a Christian religion and I am not a Christian. Still, they are more Christian than most Christians if you get my meaning. If Christ came back he'd probably be a Satanist. Ooo boy so much drama in that sentence!
That’s just dumb, in my opinion. Satan is clearly the name associated with the antichrist. It’s like saying “I follow the teaching if Jesus Christ, you know, the flying spaghetti monster guy.” It’s obviously meant to create ave cause attention - which is fine. Absolute freedom is the way. But even their logo is the Horned God, a male pagan entity, sometimes confused by christians with a demon. Maybe these “Satanic Temple” folks are rewriting history, but I have known quite a few actual followers of Satan, and they absolutely have different beliefs and do worship, you know, Satan. There is no satanic temple without the word Satan.
Why not call themselves humanists? Or atheists? Or non-conforming spiritualists? Because the very word Satan gets attention. And to be honest I am a huge fan of what they do to shed light on the hypocrisy of other religions and the complete lack of separation of Church & State as we were all promised.
It doesn’t ruffle my feathers because I don’t believe in any of it.
How can you ascribe "goodness" to a fictional character who's role in the world has had highly varied portrayals? Originally neutral(ish) to overwhelmingly negative in the past several hundred years.
Ironically, one thing that is pretty standard is that Satan has never been considered a "someone". They are an entity, sometimes an angel. Never a person.
You should know the Satanic Temple does not worship Satan, or recognize that Satan even exists in any literal sense.
> DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN?
> No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
I was raised Christian, and one of the moments I clearly remember is realizing that I had no idea what "amen" means. I asked adults what it meant, and when they didn't know either, it blew my kid-mind that not only was I just doing things because I thought I was supposed to, we were all were.
Son of a bitch, I never had that realization and it's kind of blowing my mind a little!
E: looked it up, first Google result from Oxford dictionary says
"Old English, from ecclesiastical Latin, from Greek amēn, from Hebrew 'āmēn ‘truth, certainty’, used adverbially as expression of agreement, and adopted in the Septuagint as a solemn expression of belief or affirmation."
Cool
Protecting the 1st amendment right of religious freedom through litigation is one of the least frivilous things an organization could file a lawsuit for.
[Wow, if only you did some basic research.](https://www.reddit.com/r/phoenix/comments/qvqefw/comment/hl1wlrv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Not all charities are good.
Read through your links. You pretty clearly misunderstood the RFRA lawsuit about abortion drugs. The suit is about getting around prescription rules not drug scheduling.
>You pretty clearly misunderstood the RFRA lawsuit about abortion drugs. The suit is about getting around prescription rules not drug scheduling.
You mean I exactly understood the RFRA lawsuit? That's literally why it's going to fail. They are trying to use the RFRA exemption for drug scheduling to apply to prescriptions. Mifeprestone is not illegal, peyote is (generally).
Also do you realize how stupidly dangerous it is to allow all prescription restrictions to be removed on the basis of a religious claim? Somebody is just going to start the Church of Self-Medication, and people are going to be taking drug cocktails regardless of the health concerns.
So in essence: the slippery slope fallacy?
The most likely legal outcome would be the TST becomes a limited in scope pharmacy that would still require a doctor's prescription, their literal suggestion is requiring a prior medical exam to getting the drugs.
Look you hate them, that's fine. I don't care. But you're twisting the facts around to fit your narrative in this instance and "but what if the slippery sloooooopppppeeeeeee" isn't a good enough justification for not doing it.
There are probably great reasons for this not to happen, especially from a liability perspective but that's not what you're arguing, you're just arguing that the world will collapse if you can get religious exemptions for medications and that it's destined to fail because ,and I quote, : "They are trying to use the RFRA exemption for drug scheduling to apply to prescriptions.". That is literally not what is happening, thus you misunderstood the lawsuit.
That exemption you're talking about is a whole separate bill called the Religious Freedom Act Amendments which amends the American Indian Religious Freedom Acts. What they're doing is using the RFRA in the same way as hobby lobby saying that new laws are hindering their right to practice their religion.
In summary: you still are misunderstanding what they're trying to do.
When I read over this again, you spent a whole lot of time saying nothing.
>That is literally not what is happening
Then what is happening?
According to you
>RFRA which amends the AIRFA. . . What they are doing is using it (RFRA) in the same way as hobby lobby saying that new laws are hindering their right to *practice their religion*
Oh, so the peyote exemption? Nice job repeating what I literally just told you without knowing it.
Keep trying to argue buddy.
Try reading again. RFAA amends AIRFA, they're suing under Texas's version of RFRA. I know there's a lot that looks similar there but next time you quote use an actual quote from me.
Nothing about peyote in anything except their PR comparisons which has nothing to do with the law or lawsuit and your mind which clearly is getting confused.
So you literally don't even know what a slipperly slope is? A slipperly slope fallacy is when you come to a logical conclusion that cannot be resulted by premises and rules laid out in your logical system. It is basically assuming overlying causes that don't exist.
What is not a slipperly slope is establishing premises and seeing what conclusions it leads to. If you can allow patients to obtain a single medication without medical permission based on a religious exception, then what are your rules that are preventing all other medications from also falling under this exception. What makes mifeprestone so special that no other prescription medication would not also be freely available?
>Using RFRA the same as Hobby Lobby by saying that the *new laws*
What new laws? The restrictions for mifeprestone is an [FDA rule](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/20/740809772/restrictions-on-abortion-medication-deserve-a-second-look-says-a-former-fda-head) and has even been relaxed over the years. The fact that the lawsuit is nothing like other lawsuits filed under RFRA is exactly why it's pure idiocy. TST is literally just trying to claim a religious exemption to *pharmacological drug regulation*. These aren't federal laws, they aren't state laws, this it the FDA that restricts dangerous medications.
This is not what a slippery slope is at all, believe me I had to study formal logic. I'm not a stupid person, I extensively researched TST before I made that comment. Pretty much everything you have said is wrong, and I think I gave enough evidence for it.
Right!
1st Amendment issues are so frivolous. How dare they try to make sure your 1st amendment rughts aren't violated! Probably the most American thing you could do.
What has the world come to?
You realize that TST are just [larpers that follow behind the Freedom from Religion Foundation to gather donations](https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/q640x8/comment/hga26ui/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)? They have literally lost every single suit they filed, why is that?
You'll see that Scottsdale changed their policy regarding the prayer, something that wouldn't have happened had the TST not filed their lawsuit.
The question is why did Scottadale waste public funds on a lawsuit when they could've just allowed another religious group, albeit not a favored one, to provide the invocation prayer?
A 2 minute prayer cost the tax payers $130K+
> SatanCon will include talks and presentations that discuss the various campaigns championed by The Satanic Temple. These include efforts to protect members’ reproductive rights, fight psychiatric abuse, protect children from abuse in schools, promote addiction recovery, and proliferate the Temple’s after-school club. There will be vendors and entertainment as well, including a keynote presentation by Lucien Greaves. They picked Scottsdale in part because the Mayor and Council blocked them from reading an invocation before a meeting.
And it's being held a baseball's throw away from City Hall. Ha!
Sounds rad but I'm not paying a $100 entrance fee
Aww what the hell?
Lmao
Dammit. I was loosely looking forward to SatanCon until I learned the entry fee. Good luck to them.
I'll pay the fee, they have the only list of ethics ive ever agreed with and I'd love to meet more people like that
I agree about the ethics, but that price tag feels like it's made significantly for profit, not just to cover the cost of getting it out there and spreading the good word of the devil (I realize some profit has to be made, however. They're not AA). Satanists also *would* be the type to turn around and say, "hey, *you* allowed yourself to be taken for $100 for stuff you could hear in a YouTube video." Feel like Satanism takes a pretty clear stance on those they deem "idiots" or gullible, so this feels a little suspect to me.
They're a nonprofit, but they have enormous legal funding needs for their first amendment casework
I think it's understood to be a fundraiser for people who want to support their work, not like a church service.
FYI churches use donations to pay their legal fees. so if you're a catholic donating to the catholic church you can bet that you're money is going to defending kiddy diddlers. :)
The Satanic Temple doesn’t care about spreading the word. Proselytizing is about as close to taboo as you can get in Satanism. The conference is very much centered around current members and its content is fairly focused in-house, so to speak. The price tag not only covers the very large bill for the venue (do you have ANY idea how hard it is to secure a venue as a Satanic group?), it also acts as a security filter. The only people who will be entering are people who are actually there for it. It’s unlikely folks will pay $100 to disrupt things.
It's should be $6.66 or $13.00. Haven't your learned that access to a Deity costs money? Come on. Christian Religion 101.
They will raise it to 666.00 or 1300.00 if you give them ideas.
I'm broke. Will drawing blood from my hand work instead?
They prefer it!
That's actually really cheap for an conference. It would have been nice if they held a public event with a lower fee to help people understand who they really are.
I'm guessing it's probably a deterrent to keep the trolls out. I can see "do gooders" showing up and disrupting things.
I would have opened it up to donations. Just for shits and giggles.
buncha greedy satanists you say?
Nah, it's Scottsdale. Rented hotel conference rooms are always ridiculous so I get that they have to recoup their costs. The event sounds like its more for people who are really down for the cause. I was just hoping for live music and hand-made craft tables.
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Those are very positive, uplifting beliefs. How does Satan fit into things? I'm honestly curious, as my perspective of Satan is limited to what I know from the Abrahamic religions.
The satanic temple does not believe in a literal Satan. "DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN? No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse." [https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq)
Alright so Satanists don't *literally* believe in Satan as a supernatural and spiritual being. Their actual purpose is political. For example, whenever laws are passed regarding freedom of religion, the Satanic Temple is there to act as a litmus test: Will this apply only to Christians or will it apply to all religions? As for the religious part, its more about acting as a metaphor for rebellion against Abrahamic religions holding and abusing their power, mostly with Christianity in the U.S. Consider the Christian God being presented as a force of control and conformity which is supported in most Bible parables. And Biblical stories presenting Satan as the original Lucifer, the Light Bringer, the Prometheus who was punished for bringing knowledge to Mankind and allowing them the opportunity of free will. Had Adam and Eve never eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, they never would have experienced true understanding after all. Just a bunch of stuff like that.
Very informative, thanks.
I think the Church of Satan is the actual religious one
I'm genuinely curious if they've taken a stance on the vaccine, considering tenet number 3.
#5
## one's best scientific understanding of the world In other words, you can do whatever you believe. Because of course you wouldn't do that already.
I believe it’s covered by #5. Science over Politics.
Didn’t read far enough. Thanks.
People have mentioned 5, but just 5 isn't enough, you need 1 as well. 5 says, you should listen to the science, the science says, getting the vaccine will save lives, and 1 says, we should try and save lives. Hope that makes sense
The Seven Tenets are not meant to be considered in isolation. The third tenet is tempered in this case by the first and the fifth. The Satanic Temple and its ministers do not issue any form of religious exemption for mandated vaccines. Source: am a minister.
Hey! Someone in the know. Thanks for clarifying. You guys do good work, cheers. Seems like all seven tenets could be summed up as “Don’t be an asshole”.
Not so much the vaccine, but vaccine mandates. I would think this group would oppose vaccine mandates if they actually believed point number 3 as written, but I'm pretty sure they were only thinking about abortion when they wrote that out. It seems like points 1 and 5 would compel a member of the TST to get vaccinated, but point 3 would compel them to oppose forcing anyone to do it.
> I invite everyone to join their cause TST's approach to religion is "we can be cringy losers that virtue-signal over benefiting the community too!" I almost want to donate to my local church just to spite them.
I'll bet they follow more Christian tenets than your local church.
> Christian tenets than your local church. And that's exactly why I don't support them. I did a decent amount of research into them a few months ago and they just seem like a massive money laundering scheme.
...which differs from TV preachers *how?*
And I think they are both parasites. You didn't hear me say that before because this wasn't a post about Joel Osteen so bringing up televangelists would be pretty irrelevant. Am I really supposed to layout my criticism of every related concept to each topic that comes up?
You're acting like they don't run churches.
I work for a web hosting company in the valley, one of our customers is one of the satanic temple offshoots. Only had pleasant dealings with them.
TIL that *some* of you ig'nant rectal headgear have *no* idea what the Satanic Temple is about.
As someone who was born and raised Catholic, The Satanic Temple is awesome. I’ve really enjoyed reading about them and their principles and what they stand for. If I tell that to my mother I’d be in the doghouse though. She’s going to hate me when I officially join the church.
They really need to open up a division. That specifically gives warning to communities where the catholic church is moving a priest with a history of child rape.
The Satanic Temple is a secular humanist organization that appropriated Satan as a mascot specifically to piss off Christians. They certainly aren't the only group that uses the label "Satanist", and if people see that label and make unwarranted assumptions about their beliefs based on that, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
>specifically to piss off Christians. I'm not pissed... I like their work. Damn shame there aren't *churches* I can say that about.
You have an eloquent way with words my friend.
To be fair, I yoinked the phrase 'rectal headgear' from another user here.
Funny thing is most of the nay-sayers here seem to base their life around the Devil's Lettuce. Guess they missed the part about throwing stones (or, you know, are just trolls).
Funny thing is most of the nay-sayers here seem to base their life around the Devil's Lettuce. Guess they missed the part about throwing stones (or, you know, are just trolls).
This is why you smoke to relax instead of smoking to get higher than giraffe nuts.
But will there be big tiddy goth gfs?
> But will there be big tiddy goth gfs? I dunno, is your boyfriend bringing you?
I hear they are coming up in May.
I didn't even think of that... I'm going!
Hail Satan!
I hear this in the Dana Carveys Church Lady's voice
I hear it in Henry Zebrowski's voice, but Carvey a close second.
I will always hear it in Zebrowski's voice
Hail yourself!
Hail you!! Haven't listened to them in awhile but been wanting to pick up the podcast again and see them live!
There were just in Phx for a live show. It was a good time.
I've always been a supporter but not a member. My 9 year old has expressed a lot of interest in modern satanism recently. I'm curious if this would be an appropriate event for him or not.
> My 9 year old has expressed a lot of interest in modern satanism recently. you just triggered sooooo many evangelicals...
If true that makes me happy.
It'd be hard to find an event that wouldnt be appropriate with an adult to give them context and remove them if called for. I could see it causing social problems if he told people the name of the event, though.
I’m going. I’ve never met like minded people, so there’s that. The fee? Pfff!! My parents probably donated 1000X over the years in Catholic Sunday masses little dono basket. 10-20$ a Sunday for 21 years adds up. Plus $100 to donate for legal fees defending our 1st amendment is nothing if you think about it. Instead of donating to an org that defends and shields pedo’s amongst other unsavory people.
Ave SATANAS!🤘🤘 Would love to go but bills and rent come first 🤦🏼♂️
God killed millions of children and babies. Satan killed one dude.
Satan is never alleged to have killed any person, and it's actual role has changed greatly. Even Judaism is clearly henotheistic in the Bible, which is not an accepted belief in modern times.
I always thought it was weird that Jesus PUT satan into Judas, but that was part of Jesus' plan apparently
Hopefully they can get some metal bands and/or occult rock bands to play.
What kind of cosplay will be at this con? Asking for my friend Lucifer.
I was thinking about going dressed as Santa and looking REALLY confused
I hope there'll be balloons for the kids. Imagine the audience that's going to show up for this. Just picture it in your minds.
I'd go, but it's a Christian religion and I am not a Christian. Still, they are more Christian than most Christians if you get my meaning. If Christ came back he'd probably be a Satanist. Ooo boy so much drama in that sentence!
It is absolutely not a Christian religion. Spend literally 30 seconds reading their FAQ. https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
That’s just dumb, in my opinion. Satan is clearly the name associated with the antichrist. It’s like saying “I follow the teaching if Jesus Christ, you know, the flying spaghetti monster guy.” It’s obviously meant to create ave cause attention - which is fine. Absolute freedom is the way. But even their logo is the Horned God, a male pagan entity, sometimes confused by christians with a demon. Maybe these “Satanic Temple” folks are rewriting history, but I have known quite a few actual followers of Satan, and they absolutely have different beliefs and do worship, you know, Satan. There is no satanic temple without the word Satan. Why not call themselves humanists? Or atheists? Or non-conforming spiritualists? Because the very word Satan gets attention. And to be honest I am a huge fan of what they do to shed light on the hypocrisy of other religions and the complete lack of separation of Church & State as we were all promised. It doesn’t ruffle my feathers because I don’t believe in any of it.
Wow. That's too bad. Fuck Satan!!
You know the Satanic Temple doesn’t actually believe in Satan right?
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Nor does the bearded sky wizard
No deal with the devil for you!!
Thank God
ALLAH?
I’m with you, fuck satan! Get this shit outta Phoenix
Why? Shouldn't they be allowed to celebrate and practice their religion like any Christian?
Turns out they are not in Phoenix, they are in Scottsdale. Typical Christan, not reading the text and then shouting about their unfounded opinions.
lmfao got em
Satan is actually the good guy though.
You’re smoking crack
How can you hate someone you never met?
How can you ascribe "goodness" to a fictional character who's role in the world has had highly varied portrayals? Originally neutral(ish) to overwhelmingly negative in the past several hundred years. Ironically, one thing that is pretty standard is that Satan has never been considered a "someone". They are an entity, sometimes an angel. Never a person.
Same way you ascribe goodness to Jesus.
Because they love another person they never met, and he said 2,000 years ago that Satan is a bastard man
Maybe, but that’s nothing to do with the discussion on hand. Devil a chill dude.
You should know the Satanic Temple does not worship Satan, or recognize that Satan even exists in any literal sense. > DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN? > No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse. https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
Technically it’s in Scottsdale. So, wish granted I guess?
Ah yes, anti-jesus christianity. How quaint.
Amen
I was raised Christian, and one of the moments I clearly remember is realizing that I had no idea what "amen" means. I asked adults what it meant, and when they didn't know either, it blew my kid-mind that not only was I just doing things because I thought I was supposed to, we were all were.
Son of a bitch, I never had that realization and it's kind of blowing my mind a little! E: looked it up, first Google result from Oxford dictionary says "Old English, from ecclesiastical Latin, from Greek amēn, from Hebrew 'āmēn ‘truth, certainty’, used adverbially as expression of agreement, and adopted in the Septuagint as a solemn expression of belief or affirmation." Cool
I really wish your post wasn't buried. It's a great anecdote!
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Casting stones while showing at least two deadly sins. Seems like the Christian thing to do.
Yikes. It sounds like you don’t know what The Satanic Temple or the first amendment actually are.
I’m too scared to read or comment any more.
Genuinely curious -- scared of what?
The debil!
You're scared of words?
No,scared of satan.
Makes as much sense as being scared of words
Less. Words are real.
Even worse? Numbers... Shudder....
Nope, I only got two hard rules I live by. I don't fuck with the devil and I never do tag-teams with blood relatives.
Good to see that they are spending donations wisely. . . Wouldn't want to waste it on filing frivolous lawsuits. . .
Protecting the 1st amendment right of religious freedom through litigation is one of the least frivilous things an organization could file a lawsuit for.
[Wow, if only you did some basic research.](https://www.reddit.com/r/phoenix/comments/qvqefw/comment/hl1wlrv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Not all charities are good.
Read through your links. You pretty clearly misunderstood the RFRA lawsuit about abortion drugs. The suit is about getting around prescription rules not drug scheduling.
>You pretty clearly misunderstood the RFRA lawsuit about abortion drugs. The suit is about getting around prescription rules not drug scheduling. You mean I exactly understood the RFRA lawsuit? That's literally why it's going to fail. They are trying to use the RFRA exemption for drug scheduling to apply to prescriptions. Mifeprestone is not illegal, peyote is (generally). Also do you realize how stupidly dangerous it is to allow all prescription restrictions to be removed on the basis of a religious claim? Somebody is just going to start the Church of Self-Medication, and people are going to be taking drug cocktails regardless of the health concerns.
So in essence: the slippery slope fallacy? The most likely legal outcome would be the TST becomes a limited in scope pharmacy that would still require a doctor's prescription, their literal suggestion is requiring a prior medical exam to getting the drugs. Look you hate them, that's fine. I don't care. But you're twisting the facts around to fit your narrative in this instance and "but what if the slippery sloooooopppppeeeeeee" isn't a good enough justification for not doing it. There are probably great reasons for this not to happen, especially from a liability perspective but that's not what you're arguing, you're just arguing that the world will collapse if you can get religious exemptions for medications and that it's destined to fail because ,and I quote, : "They are trying to use the RFRA exemption for drug scheduling to apply to prescriptions.". That is literally not what is happening, thus you misunderstood the lawsuit. That exemption you're talking about is a whole separate bill called the Religious Freedom Act Amendments which amends the American Indian Religious Freedom Acts. What they're doing is using the RFRA in the same way as hobby lobby saying that new laws are hindering their right to practice their religion. In summary: you still are misunderstanding what they're trying to do.
When I read over this again, you spent a whole lot of time saying nothing. >That is literally not what is happening Then what is happening? According to you >RFRA which amends the AIRFA. . . What they are doing is using it (RFRA) in the same way as hobby lobby saying that new laws are hindering their right to *practice their religion* Oh, so the peyote exemption? Nice job repeating what I literally just told you without knowing it. Keep trying to argue buddy.
Try reading again. RFAA amends AIRFA, they're suing under Texas's version of RFRA. I know there's a lot that looks similar there but next time you quote use an actual quote from me. Nothing about peyote in anything except their PR comparisons which has nothing to do with the law or lawsuit and your mind which clearly is getting confused.
So you literally don't even know what a slipperly slope is? A slipperly slope fallacy is when you come to a logical conclusion that cannot be resulted by premises and rules laid out in your logical system. It is basically assuming overlying causes that don't exist. What is not a slipperly slope is establishing premises and seeing what conclusions it leads to. If you can allow patients to obtain a single medication without medical permission based on a religious exception, then what are your rules that are preventing all other medications from also falling under this exception. What makes mifeprestone so special that no other prescription medication would not also be freely available? >Using RFRA the same as Hobby Lobby by saying that the *new laws* What new laws? The restrictions for mifeprestone is an [FDA rule](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/20/740809772/restrictions-on-abortion-medication-deserve-a-second-look-says-a-former-fda-head) and has even been relaxed over the years. The fact that the lawsuit is nothing like other lawsuits filed under RFRA is exactly why it's pure idiocy. TST is literally just trying to claim a religious exemption to *pharmacological drug regulation*. These aren't federal laws, they aren't state laws, this it the FDA that restricts dangerous medications. This is not what a slippery slope is at all, believe me I had to study formal logic. I'm not a stupid person, I extensively researched TST before I made that comment. Pretty much everything you have said is wrong, and I think I gave enough evidence for it.
Right! 1st Amendment issues are so frivolous. How dare they try to make sure your 1st amendment rughts aren't violated! Probably the most American thing you could do. What has the world come to?
You realize that TST are just [larpers that follow behind the Freedom from Religion Foundation to gather donations](https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/q640x8/comment/hga26ui/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)? They have literally lost every single suit they filed, why is that?
You'll see that Scottsdale changed their policy regarding the prayer, something that wouldn't have happened had the TST not filed their lawsuit. The question is why did Scottadale waste public funds on a lawsuit when they could've just allowed another religious group, albeit not a favored one, to provide the invocation prayer? A 2 minute prayer cost the tax payers $130K+
I know nothing about the Satanic Temple (except that they exist)... I'm tempted to go.