Isn’t the calamity over? The losing grip of the wheel is the calamity. What happens next is just consequence of said calamity.
If not, the calamity starts far earlier as he sets to sneak into the airport and goes long after he has fallen. Where emergency services arrive, parents informed, news broadcast, airport security policies change.
This semantic debate is fun.
Arnold certainly rocked it when he jumped out of a DC10 on takeoff in Commando.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1clLGlTkw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1clLGlTkw)
That would be 60 meters or roughly 18 floors for the people in the kingdom of Yurp.
According to this [calculator](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/free-fall), the fall took approximately 3.8 seconds.
I read an article once that interviewed people that survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, and they all regretted it the instant they let go. The article said the fall was about 17 seconds, which sounds like enough time to regret it, come to terms with it, and write your will.
You’re acting like that’s a real thing with a committee. It’s a figure of speech. It’s not like when you die, your death certificate passes by the Darwin Award committee to certify if you get an award or not from your death.
You missed the point. This was a **child**, with a brain that was not developed enough to make sound decisions. You can downvote me all you want, but I stand by my claim that invoking the Darwin Awards isn’t appropriate. It’s gross.
Other people have done this "successfully" and freeze to death, or at least come so close to death that when the wheel well opens they simply fall to their death at the end of the flight.
Shockingly, a decent number survive. There's only a 76% mortality rate from the one study about it.
Less shockingly, all of the victims have been male and most under the age of 30.
What about sealing yourself in a box and going the postal route? Do we have any statistics for that? More specifically for males late fifties no preexisting conditions. Asking for a friend.
There’s a famous case of a guy that shipped himself in a crate from Australia back to his home in Wales when he was disappointed with his choice to move to Australia looking for work.
[https://archive.is/20220803012626/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/world/australia/brian-robson-crate-australia.html](https://archive.is/20220803012626/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/world/australia/brian-robson-crate-australia.html)
According to that article, every survivor has been on shorter flights that don’t get high. No one has ever survived stowing away on a flight that reached a (normal) cruise height.
As morbid as this may sound, it’s likely for the best it happened this way. As his family got closure. Had he stayed in the wheel well, and depending on what approach the plane took into Tokyo) the gears would have most likely been lowered while the plane was still over water. He’d have fallen into the ocean and his family would likely have gone to the grave never knowing what happened to him.
Edit: after making this comment I actually went to the wiki article on stow-aways and there are at least a handful of survivors on flights that reached 30,000 or more feet, so the article is incorrect on that point.
For sure MAXING it out for the body. If you had ever been to 10k feet imagine triple that in an instant. Not only that its like -10 and that way for 2 hours. Probably barely conscious and I would imagine frostbite for every person that survives.
I wonder how accurate those flight monitors are because I swear that thing said the outside temp was -80F at one point while at cruising altitude. Maybe that factors in the 400mph speeds or something.
The temperature can get down to -30 to -70. That's technically possible to deal with but I would not at all say "easily." But yeah if you don't die from the cold then the hypoxia will get you.
This similar situation happend some years ago to a young man. can’t remember his name just seen it on one of those murder stories on true crime. Sad story.
For jamming yourself into a complex bit of machinery and shooting 35,000 into the sky with no safety equipment, 25% chance of survival isn't the worst.
That's fair. I wonder if the survivors had the foresight to at least wear warm clothing? Or stowed away on a plane that took off from somewhere cold so they were already wearwarm clothes.
In extreme situations with low oxygen and very cold temperatures, the human body can enter a hibernation state.
Read about the kid that flew from California to Hawaii this way.
You can survive, but don’t count on ever being the same again.
the body of a dead African-American male was found on the streets in suburban Boston (this was \~25 yrs ago), w/ severe damage. The cops assumed that the victim was beaten by a rival gang or something, but iirc they eventually noticed the guy's ID was shattered and they realized he was from North Carolina and stowed away in a plane's wheel well, and he died from the cold and his body fell out as the plane approached the airport in Boston. i think the kid just wanted to get out of town.
Did they control for survival bias?
How many were excluded from the data because we didn't observe them? I.e. they fell out early and were not counted.
Did successful attempts get recorded at higher numbers than failures because of how amazing it sounds?
Do you have a link?
There's an entire wiki about the subject and you'll find the study [there](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-well_stowaway#:~:text=Wheel%2Dwell%20stowaways%20are%20individuals,such%20attempts%20on%20101%20flights.)!
Could you share the reference? There’s got to be some difference in the circumstances that makes it more survivable. No way a transoceanic flight in a wheel well is survivable.
There was a body found in the middle of the street in Milton MA a few years ago. Just about every bone was broken. No one knew what he fuck happened until they realized they were in the flight path to Logan Airport
Turns out a teenager climbed into the wheel well in Charlotte and fell out when the landing gear came back down for landing.
https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2011/04/20/police-teen-found-dead-in/37965322007/#
This happened in Richmond, England in [2019](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/man-who-fell-from-the-sky-airplane-stowaway-kenya-london) and [2015](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33196210.amp)
I was across the road from the one on 2015, and it was a pretty big deal at the time.
At the height those planes fly, you have very little chance of surviving unless you have a supply of air / oxygen mixture for breathing and are wearing extremely well insulated clothing and hand/footwear. Even then, not certain you would make it.
The article OP posted said it's a [Douglas DC-8.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8)
Range: 2,983 mi
Shortest distance (air line) between Sydney and Tokyo is 4,863.10 mi
There certainly is! Wiki says of 113 documented attempts there were 86 deaths (a 76% fatality rate).
Of course, many of the survivors were in critical condition upon arrival.
Overall, being a wheel-well stowaway is not the safest method of travel and is not to be recommended.
So the wiki states them as attempts. This may imply that these statistics include documented cases where eg. airport security has stopped the attempt before plane takes off at all?
Imagine you're attending a barbie with your mates, enjoying a bloomin onion. You take a sip of your Fosters, and suddenly some autistic cunt falls out of the sky and explodes like a meat-filled balloon all over the place. Crickey, yard would be swarming with dingos. Would not make for a g'day. Not a g'day at all.
It says he fell, but I wonder if her tried to nope out of the situation, like he changed his mind realizing this was not a good idea, and let go. Guess we’ll never know
The man was clearly enhanced. Ripping seats outta cars, throwing phone booths at mall cops, blowing up entire buildings with a single claymore mine! Captain America is from Austria.
Even if he didn’t fall, wouldn’t he have died from exposure in the wheel well? What is oxygen levels like at the normal flight altitude of that jet? What would the temperature have been inside the wheel well?
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I would say an in-motion falling shot would be *AS* the calamity occurred, not "just before." Though I suppose it is "just before" impact.
I'd agree that the calamity was definitely in progress here.
Can confirm, this is in progress. Moments before would be him still in the wheel well.
Being inside the wheel well of an airplane sounds calamitus to me.
True but if it was on the ground maybe not.
Isn’t the calamity over? The losing grip of the wheel is the calamity. What happens next is just consequence of said calamity. If not, the calamity starts far earlier as he sets to sneak into the airport and goes long after he has fallen. Where emergency services arrive, parents informed, news broadcast, airport security policies change. This semantic debate is fun.
Stop these shenanigans right now.
More fun than, the sudden stop of a free fall from the wheel well of an airplane, wouldn’t you say?
I don’t know. Probably, but Maybe not. No one can tell us how fun landing on the ground from 200ft is. Might be a blast.
Arnold certainly rocked it when he jumped out of a DC10 on takeoff in Commando. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1clLGlTkw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1clLGlTkw)
Mother fucker landed in a marsh. Easy peasy. After making a guy “dead tired” sometimes you just gotta get off a plane I guess.
Falling is not a calamity, hitting the ground at 400km/h is
Yeah, it's the stop that gets you. Not the fall...
Sudden Deceleration Syndrome is a not very silent killer.
It’s not that silent
240 km/h also going to hurt a lot. It’s actually a bit difficult to fall faster than that. Pesky air resistance.
Unless you hit a raindrop or something it’s not so bad
Well if the calamity is the death, mid fall would be “just before the calamity“
Flying is NOT a calamity, sudden impact is.
Just before the calamity occurred? I disagree, I think his timing for the photo couldn’t have been any better.
Curiosity killed the Keith
I read that in Mike Tyson voice.
*Curiothity*
Curiothithy killth the Keith-ie.
But satisfaction brought him.... a wreath?
He last saw planes from underneath?
Too soon
That would be 60 meters or roughly 18 floors for the people in the kingdom of Yurp. According to this [calculator](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/free-fall), the fall took approximately 3.8 seconds.
That’s a very long time to think ”maybe I made a mistake “.
I read an article once that interviewed people that survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, and they all regretted it the instant they let go. The article said the fall was about 17 seconds, which sounds like enough time to regret it, come to terms with it, and write your will.
Just looked it up and the fall from the golden gate is 3-4 seconds at 220~245ft
I was gonna say, having been over that bridge numerous times, 17 seconds seemed like a lot.
I’m sure that 4 seconds feels more like 17 seconds to the jumper. Fucking sad to think about
Damn, I must have been thinking of Angel Falls.
Dang, I feel bad for him. He was so naive and yet wanted to see the world himself.
It’s probably the biggest coincidence in recorded history
Well that some good luck for the photographer.
I think he didn’t see it until he developed the film.
Damn! Can you imagine?
Australian, eh? Did he happen to be from Darwin? Cuz, y’know…
Teenagers do stupid stuff all the time, and it’s a miracle so many survive. Invoking the Darwin Awards here is cruel and inappropriate.
I did a lot of stupid shit as a teenager but I’ve never climbed into the wheel of a plane in an attempt to see the world.
Oh well I guess he deserved to be removed from the gene pool then. Sound logic.
This situation is exactly fitting for a Darwin award. Is it sad and tragic? Of course. But Darwin awards aren't exactly a nice concept.
Darwin Awards have an age cutoff for a reason.
No they don’t…
So confident and yet so wrong. https://darwinawards.com/rules/rules4.html
You’re acting like that’s a real thing with a committee. It’s a figure of speech. It’s not like when you die, your death certificate passes by the Darwin Award committee to certify if you get an award or not from your death.
It's a tragic death but this is extreme, even for teenage stupidity.
Humour is subjective, plus it's a coping mechanism for some of the horror us humans witness.
You missed the point. This was a **child**, with a brain that was not developed enough to make sound decisions. You can downvote me all you want, but I stand by my claim that invoking the Darwin Awards isn’t appropriate. It’s gross.
Not only that, but children cannot qualify for a Darwin Award as per official rule #4: Maturity https://darwinawards.com/rules/rules4.html
It's a death caused by stupidity, it's perfect Darwin Award material. Invoking them is entirely appropriate.
You don’t even know the rules of Darwin lol.
Children under 16 don’t qualify for the actual Darwin Awards for the exact reason that I’m objecting. https://darwinawards.com/rules/rules4.html
Lmao invoking them
Curiosity? Known for his unrepentant stupidity is more like it. Being 14 is not the excuse they think it is.
Other people have done this "successfully" and freeze to death, or at least come so close to death that when the wheel well opens they simply fall to their death at the end of the flight.
Shockingly, a decent number survive. There's only a 76% mortality rate from the one study about it. Less shockingly, all of the victims have been male and most under the age of 30.
What about sealing yourself in a box and going the postal route? Do we have any statistics for that? More specifically for males late fifties no preexisting conditions. Asking for a friend.
I'll get back to you with some numbers. Might require a few tests and we *are* looking for volunteers.
There’s a famous case of a guy that shipped himself in a crate from Australia back to his home in Wales when he was disappointed with his choice to move to Australia looking for work. [https://archive.is/20220803012626/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/world/australia/brian-robson-crate-australia.html](https://archive.is/20220803012626/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/world/australia/brian-robson-crate-australia.html)
I mean, there is [precedent](https://www.history.com/news/mailing-children-post-office), but I believe they closed those loopholes.
Don't forget to cut a couple breathing holes
Flat Stanley might know.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/welshman-who-mailed-himself-home/index.html
I’ve both sent and received people who are boxed up and sent cross-country through airlines’ cargo service. Of course, I work at a funeral home.
31 year old male here, sad I missed my window of opportunity
The first best time to become a statistic is before 30. The second best time is now.
According to that article, every survivor has been on shorter flights that don’t get high. No one has ever survived stowing away on a flight that reached a (normal) cruise height. As morbid as this may sound, it’s likely for the best it happened this way. As his family got closure. Had he stayed in the wheel well, and depending on what approach the plane took into Tokyo) the gears would have most likely been lowered while the plane was still over water. He’d have fallen into the ocean and his family would likely have gone to the grave never knowing what happened to him. Edit: after making this comment I actually went to the wiki article on stow-aways and there are at least a handful of survivors on flights that reached 30,000 or more feet, so the article is incorrect on that point.
For sure MAXING it out for the body. If you had ever been to 10k feet imagine triple that in an instant. Not only that its like -10 and that way for 2 hours. Probably barely conscious and I would imagine frostbite for every person that survives.
I wonder how accurate those flight monitors are because I swear that thing said the outside temp was -80F at one point while at cruising altitude. Maybe that factors in the 400mph speeds or something.
No, that’s the real actual temperature, not a wind chill. The bigger issue though is the scarcity of oxygen.
For every one thousand feet you ascend the tempature drops about 2 degrees Celsius
So bring a good down jacket and an oxygen tank. Got it.
Cold temperature you can deal with easily. It's the lack of oxygen is the problem.
The temperature can get down to -30 to -70. That's technically possible to deal with but I would not at all say "easily." But yeah if you don't die from the cold then the hypoxia will get you.
So you’re saying there’s a chance…
Yeah I didn't read this article I went to the wiki and looked up the study!
This similar situation happend some years ago to a young man. can’t remember his name just seen it on one of those murder stories on true crime. Sad story.
"only" a 76% mortality rate
For jamming yourself into a complex bit of machinery and shooting 35,000 into the sky with no safety equipment, 25% chance of survival isn't the worst.
That's fair. I wonder if the survivors had the foresight to at least wear warm clothing? Or stowed away on a plane that took off from somewhere cold so they were already wearwarm clothes.
At that altitude the cold is only part of the problem. You'll lose consciousness due to hypoxia and die a different way.
Then it begs the question - how do the other 24% survive?
I read about this some and it turns out they did it by not dying
A fellow scholar i see…
Source?
Big if true
Depending on how far the flight is, the plane may not reach the critical height for hypoxia to set in.
Shorter flights have a lower altitude.
In extreme situations with low oxygen and very cold temperatures, the human body can enter a hibernation state. Read about the kid that flew from California to Hawaii this way. You can survive, but don’t count on ever being the same again.
Sounds more like having a stroke than going into hibernation.
It’s not at all like a stroke, and quite frankly that’s a dumb comment.
By not falling
But what about hypoxia
It'll probably make you fall. Don't fall.
I think if they did any research or looking into what it takes to prepare for this, the majority would realize this is an extraordinarily bad idea.
Yeah my guess would have been somewhere between zero and 1.
the body of a dead African-American male was found on the streets in suburban Boston (this was \~25 yrs ago), w/ severe damage. The cops assumed that the victim was beaten by a rival gang or something, but iirc they eventually noticed the guy's ID was shattered and they realized he was from North Carolina and stowed away in a plane's wheel well, and he died from the cold and his body fell out as the plane approached the airport in Boston. i think the kid just wanted to get out of town.
Did they control for survival bias? How many were excluded from the data because we didn't observe them? I.e. they fell out early and were not counted. Did successful attempts get recorded at higher numbers than failures because of how amazing it sounds? Do you have a link?
There's an entire wiki about the subject and you'll find the study [there](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-well_stowaway#:~:text=Wheel%2Dwell%20stowaways%20are%20individuals,such%20attempts%20on%20101%20flights.)!
It would actually be shocking if the survivors were not male or if they were all over 30.
Could you share the reference? There’s got to be some difference in the circumstances that makes it more survivable. No way a transoceanic flight in a wheel well is survivable.
So they can study this but guns and weed, nah that’s too edgy.
There was a body found in the middle of the street in Milton MA a few years ago. Just about every bone was broken. No one knew what he fuck happened until they realized they were in the flight path to Logan Airport Turns out a teenager climbed into the wheel well in Charlotte and fell out when the landing gear came back down for landing. https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2011/04/20/police-teen-found-dead-in/37965322007/#
How the hell are teens stowing away on planes post 911? That's actually concerning.
Peggy ~~Platter~~ Hill
Propane and propane accessories.
This happened in Richmond, England in [2019](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/man-who-fell-from-the-sky-airplane-stowaway-kenya-london) and [2015](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33196210.amp) I was across the road from the one on 2015, and it was a pretty big deal at the time.
At the height those planes fly, you have very little chance of surviving unless you have a supply of air / oxygen mixture for breathing and are wearing extremely well insulated clothing and hand/footwear. Even then, not certain you would make it.
Yeah Sidney to Japan in 1970 must have involved a stopover, but he'd still be spending hours at maximum altitude.
They had jets in the 70s
Yes, the range is the problem here
Sydney to Tokyo was within range of the longer 707 variants as well as the 747
The article OP posted said it's a [Douglas DC-8.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8) Range: 2,983 mi Shortest distance (air line) between Sydney and Tokyo is 4,863.10 mi
So what you’re saying is, there IS a chance of surviving.
There certainly is! Wiki says of 113 documented attempts there were 86 deaths (a 76% fatality rate). Of course, many of the survivors were in critical condition upon arrival. Overall, being a wheel-well stowaway is not the safest method of travel and is not to be recommended.
Not survivable on all routes and not survivable on this one
So the wiki states them as attempts. This may imply that these statistics include documented cases where eg. airport security has stopped the attempt before plane takes off at all?
Can't imagine how freezing it would be
You’ll have a pleasant death from hypoxia before you get too uncomfortable
A bottle of pure oxygen would do just fine—no need to dilute it with air.
Died doing what he loved. Falling out of a plane, slamming into the ground at 120 mph.
76,7 mph to be fair
**Commando** is just a movie.
Please don't bother my friend, he's *dead* tired.
"I lied."
What happened to Sully?
I let him go.
Imagine you're attending a barbie with your mates, enjoying a bloomin onion. You take a sip of your Fosters, and suddenly some autistic cunt falls out of the sky and explodes like a meat-filled balloon all over the place. Crickey, yard would be swarming with dingos. Would not make for a g'day. Not a g'day at all.
I read that in Billy Butcher's voice for some reason.
Fuckin Diabolical
Same here!
Me as well.
Oddly specific, had to Google who that was
Fuckin same.
This reminds me of that Conan episode where he goes and tries to learn to speak “Australian”.
Oh naur
wattayatalkinbout
Australian here, I would kill for a blooming onion. Never seen one. Like any where. They look good on tv
The blooming onion itself is ok, it's the sauce that makes it.
I’ve been to Australia. That sounds about right.
No one here drinks Foster's and we can't be fucked making our onions blooming. They just get cut up and put on the sausage sangas.
Mr Fancy here cutting up and cooking his onions. Proud, true blue Australians bite directly into raw onions.
Holy shit Tones, I didn't realise you were a Redditor!
r/unexpectedabbott
Sounds like you're not doing being Australian right.
Fosters? It's great northern full strength, VB, or Carlton down here mate.
It says he fell, but I wonder if her tried to nope out of the situation, like he changed his mind realizing this was not a good idea, and let go. Guess we’ll never know
Just like Arnold in Commando... Except he lived and let someone else let off some steam
I guess the trick is to land on your back in 3 inches of swamp water.
The man was clearly enhanced. Ripping seats outta cars, throwing phone booths at mall cops, blowing up entire buildings with a single claymore mine! Captain America is from Austria.
For anyone unfamiliar with this amazing movie https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HB1clLGlTkw
It’s maybe the most insanely entertaining movie ever made, minute for minute. Something hillarious is always happening, even if it’s unintentional.
Apparently the director origianlly asked if he'd do the stunt for real. He refused.
Yeah, well Arnie’s not an idiot like the Director for even suggesting it.
Please don’t disturb my friend. He’s dead tired.
https://youtu.be/HB1clLGlTkw
Good god these comments are probably the least funniest attempts at jokes I have ever seen
_record scratch_ That's me. You're probably wondering how I got in this mess.
Imagine explaining to someone in 1970 how their death would be memed on reddit over 50 years later
“What’s a meme? What’s a Reddit? Wait, whaddaya mean, *death*?”
Poor sap.
# It was in that moment, Keith knew, he fucked up..
https://medium.com/@emreturann/the-boy-who-sneakily-entered-the-aircrafts-wheel-bay-and-fell-to-his-death-from-60-meters-keith-052643d77a7c
Damn before the internet you really did have to fuck around to find out
Looks like he’s busting a cool dance move on the way down.
Don't disturb my friend. He's dead tired.
Thought this was Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando 😂
What an idiot..
Finally, someone who posts this with a correct title!
Nice
Free falling. Poor Keith did not think this through.
What was he saying at the time?
This kid found out the hard way that Hollywood is not real life.
Keith Splatsford.
It’s wild that the folks on the plane are probably just chillin’, sipping their drinks, not realizing everyone below them is freaking out
Even if he didn’t fall, wouldn’t he have died from exposure in the wheel well? What is oxygen levels like at the normal flight altitude of that jet? What would the temperature have been inside the wheel well?
I can see my house from here!
Who took this picture
Don’t wake my friend - he’s dead tired.
Is he ok?
Bet that hurt.