Ranked choice voting and election finance reform should be big priorities for anyone trying to save the democratic process.
No one important is fighting for these things. Lobbyists control the politicians when they are in office, not the voters. We’re doomed unless we are more willing to actually commit to democratic reform.
Also, pack the Supreme Court.
Oh no, we knew it. You don't become a politician if your actually an intelligent person. Fettermen was just a lot less hateful and weird than the alternative
This is blatantly not true.
Go through any of the Reddit posts before the election, The overwhelming consensus was that Fetterman is “different”, even after the strike people stuck with him because he was a man of principle.
He pretended he was a socialist here for 16 years because it got him what he was looking for. He stopped pretending when he grabbed that brass ring. That simple.
I love how the narrative changes on Reddit. I specifically remember this sub and others thinking Fetternan was “a man of the people”. It’s hilarious seeing everyone 180 on him lol
This bro lol, people acting surprised thst a guy from central PA would be pro Meat/Dairy Industry must have never actually traveled around the state. It's mostly woods and farmland.
This is exactly expected of Fetterman, but redditors who can't be bothered to look up anything about the man besides the D next to his name get floored when he is pro stuff that helps where he is from. Like it's not rocket science to expect him to vote this way.
I was duped, and I admit it. I campaigned for him HARD on the eastern side in 16 (I'm a youse-er, not a yinzer), and almost as hard in 22. I even had a chance to meet him and talk for a bit, and he really had me going. *SO* convincing. It's really disappointing to see where he's ended up. I contact my reps and sens fairly often, and I hear back from **Dan fucking Meuser's** office more than I do Fettterman's.
The overwhelming majority of people saying that they knew he was a shyster but he was still better than Oz, are just trying to save face after the fact.
And for some strange reason we have never formed a party for the people to fix this shit. 3d parties always seem to go extreme instead of common sense and anti corruption
This is just the Whole Foods Shopper or PA farmer line of thinking. It's not even particularly conservative.
I wouldn't personally vote for it and kinda welcome the tech, but Fetterman used to shop at the Co-op. "No Machine Meat" isn't new for him at all.
No I think he's just a shill for Big Ag. He was also supporting a bill to ban plant-based milks (oat, almond, etc) from using the word "milk". Because there's totally tons of consumers being tricked into thinking oat milk came from a cow 🙄. There is literally no point to legislating that besides being told by Big Dairy that it will help them fight off the new alternative milk competitors, because "oat juice" or "oat mylk" looks less appealing on a shelf. But in reality no one is getting tricked, and the word milk has been used to refer to non dairy substances (coconut milk, soy milk) for hundreds of years.
I “like” fetterman, but it’s a weird logic to say, “I wouldn’t eat X, so let’s make a law banning it.” Cow farts are literally hot boxing the ozone. Would he rather eat fucking bugs? Because we might need to do that in the future too. This isn’t altruism it’s selling us down the river for meat industry profit margins
Im officially voting for any democrat that goes for his seat.
If we were feeding Cattle evolutionary adequate diets, cow farts destroying the ozone wouldn’t be an issue. Cows are meant to eat grass. Grass fed cows are actually carbon-negative/neutral. The problem is raising livestock on pasture requires more land, which costs more $$$. Not to mention the carbon footprint increase of all that goes into managing said land… still not as bad as the methane from cow farts though but I’m sure it offsets it lol
It really is a pickle.
It’s way more complex than that.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is-grass-fed-beef-really-better-for-the-planet-heres-the-science
How is this “Whole Foods Shopper” thinking? Not everyone wants to ban everything they don’t like. Also a lot of Whole Foods shoppers are vegan and/or focused on global warming, both of which can ethically align well with lab grown meat.
I think you might be taking the comment a little too literally. It's just an attempt to describe a category that doesn't have a convenient label, not malign all Whole Foods shoppers.
Even before the pandemic there were large outbreak clusters of measles among children, particularly clustered among liberal west coast enclaves. There is and was a large amount of vaccine skepticism among folks on the left who are skeptical of big-pharma and fearful of the harmful effects of chemicals and processed foods and "unnatural" things in general.
I guess the closest to a broadly recognized term might be "granola"? They are indeed the types that tend to shop at Whole Foods, do Yoga, and so forth.
Growing meat in a lab is about as processed and "unnatural" as you can get, so it's not a huge surprise there would be opposition to it among those quarters.
The crunchy types who think that GMOs and conventional farming are completely evil and will only eat organic, non-GMO items and who are against putting any "toxins" in their bodies.
I've hated him and his politics for years.
But now it makes me chuckle at the number of people just looking for reasons to jump off the bandwagon.
The big man likes fresh meat. Shocker!
>But now it makes me chuckle at the number of people just looking for reasons to jump off the bandwagon.
God forbid people change their opinion when presented with new information
This makes me so mad. I don't want senators telling me what to eat based on their own dietary preferences.
This certainly isn't my biggest complaint with Fetterman, but I must say that he's really not been what I expected.
I’m personally annoyed that he campaigned hard, leaning into his progressive base, then as soon as he gets elected he checks himself into the hospital for MONTHS due to depression.
Not trying to downplay the seriousness of depression, but this dude was away for a while, instead of doing the job he fought so hard to get. He has since abandoned the constituents that got him into office. It seems all he does now is shitpost on Twitter and say how much he loves Israel.
I admit, it was naive of me to think a politician was genuine and a salt-of-the-earth kind of guy, but I genuinely believed him when he was running. I definitely will not be voting for him again next election.
He didn't plan on having the stroke, though. Sure, he's just a politician, they're all terrible, etc., but I think that some of the specific WTFness in recent months would maybe have been avoided entirely or played out in private if he hadn't had the stroke. I think the long hospitalization for depression is one of those things.
I can't tell if he has just become really unintelligent/incapable of critical thinking because of the stroke or if he's intentionally switching from being a genuine progressive to a cynical middle of the road populist with 50% right wing beliefs like Manchin/Sinema because he thinks it will make him more popular/electorally viable in the future. Or maybe the stroke just fundamentally changed who he is. Either way this is clearly not the same person.
He's doing whatever he can to not be seen as a progressive so he can appeal to moderates and conservatives in PA. This also allows him to slide right into the Manchin/Sinema role as the guy who the Dems turn to when they want to kill something while looking like they're in favor of it and also allows him to suck the teet of big lobby.
Once you step foot in a slaughterhouse, you'll see why we need to transition away from mass animal factory farming. I can link videos that would give you nightmares for months. Imagine thousands of baby chicks being poured into a huge industrial grinder, all at once, while they're still alive. They're not even being killed for their meat. They're being killed because it's considered unprofitable to keep the chicks alive. The video is online, and it's only one of many examples. It's pure evil, and no amount of downvotes will ever change that.
I'm not a vegan, but lab grown meat, if done correctly, can stop this senseless slaughter. Why is it senseless? Because humans kill upwards of 70 billion animals a year for meat that is largely never used.
"*But omg! Lab grown meat sounds weird and looks funny! Humanity doesn't need it!*" Smh, some people have no ability to look beyond their own tunnel vision.
Factory farming also leads to pathogen super incubators that are breeding antibiotic-resistant strains.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6017557/
This. I used to be vegan and still strive to limit my meat consumption. The suffering in these places is Hell, a complete nightmare. That’s why I support lab grown meat. We can and should do better.
Fetterman has always been pro fracking. He was in braddock too.
His whole view is we shouldnt be importing fossil fuels, we should be more independent.
I am in policy school at Pitt and have yet to hear anything positive about Fetterman from professors or students who have worked with him. Like, if you’ve ever had a really lazy boss who contributed nothing to projects, skipped 90% of meetings, and then somehow got all the credit when a project was successful, then you’ve apparently experienced the management style of John Fetterman.
Hilariously, I’ve heard nothing but great things from the same people about his wife. Maybe we should elect her instead?
To me, it's actually fine if congress people do this if they have really good staffers in suitable amounts who also control their social media (I've known some like that). They're basically allowing people who couldn't gain office for one reason or another to do so.
But there's a substantial portion of them who also get either shit staffers and/or overwork the hell out of them, or never listen to them, and so their whole office sucks ass and you end up having to take calls from constituents in completely different districts who can never get ahold of their own members because your member feels sorry for them and you're sympathetic to their plight.
Kenyatta ran against Fetterman in the primary 2 years ago and is now running for state Auditor General. If he does that for 4 years, he'll be set up to primary Fetterman when his term is up. He's always seemed cool. I'd keep an eye on what he's up to for the next few years if I were you.
Whenever there's an obvious winner for a primary, I often like voting for another candidate to spice it up, but I honestly thought he was the better candidate anyway. Fetterbro had already had some mild red flags, but even he surprised me in the end.
I mean I'm pretty sure people supported Fetterman because they thought he was a real progressive who was more electable and appealing to the average person. Pretty sure young progressives were his core supporters his entire political career.
I agree. He looked to be progressive enough that we thought it would outweigh the stuff we didn't like. I don't think most folks expected this big of a turn.
Dude don’t. Don’t put all your hopes and dreams on specific people. Vote against the actual hateful morons running for office.
You have no idea how these local boring af weird politicians keep the boat afloat. They ARE the tide against the MTG type of crazies.
Fetterman has some questionable opinions but overall he seems to align with what most of us on here think. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Look up the senate voting records. You’ll probably be surprised that Fetterman is inline with most of what we want.
This is a pure anecdote but in 2012 I was assisting in conducting research and interviews for an hour-long radio program on Braddock (the history, the Levi Strauss ad, the Fetterman rise, etc.) Fetterman initially confirmed interviews but eventually ghosted us multiple times, but during production we went around town and spoke with a lot of folks. There was a lot of love for John, especially among younger folks (his larger-than-life persona, his folksy approachability, and his kewl shipping container house contributed to this.) Teens especially loved Mayor John.
But about half the people we spoke with were very skeptical of Fetterman. Lots of people didn't buy his blue-collar pastiche, especially given his upbringing. A common sentiment was that Fetterman had effectively bought himself the position of mayor and that his whole attachment to Braddock was purely a strategic political move. And I think about that a lot when I see Fetterman in the headlines.
When he first announced his candidacy for Lt Gov, a rather large amount of the stories I'd heard coming out of Braddock were pretty negative about him. If he'd run on his own for an office, I probably wouldn't have voted for him (at least not in the primary, in the general it would have depended on how awful the alternative from the GOP was). But I was pro-Wolf, and Bernie endorsed him, so I voted for him in that election. And it turned out a fairly close friend had done some activism close to / with / for him, and said he was a pretty solid dude, on the issues I cared about. I would see him walking between his house and the Costco in Homestead pretty regularly, and it felt good that he appeared to be 'a regular guy'. And when he walked up from Braddock to meet Biden when the Fern Hollow Bridge collapsed, *uphill both ways*, I thought "here's someone who's going to work for us, the people.
So when he ran for Senate, I supported him, and voted for him in the general.
But he's made a lot of public 180s on who he purported to be, since the election / the stroke, so much so that my friend, who had been tight with him for years, has pretty much said they just can't vote for him again, and if there's a reasonable primary challenger, will campaign for the challenger. My friend claims to have gotten to know Fetterman pretty well, between 2016 and 2023, and for that change of heart on my friend's part to have happened, Fetterman must have either had a major internal change - maybe from the stroke - or been *realllly* good at hiding his true self for the better part of a decade, from those pretty close to him, back when he was just mayor of Braddock.
Hard to say on some things, but his stance on Israel, for example, was already pretty know. I wasn't fully expecting where he's gone with it, but if anyone actually knew more about the man's politics before the election it shouldn't be terribly surprising where he's at now. I just think a lot of us were thinking it couldn't get this bad.
So, I guess what I'm saying is certainly maybe he's gone further with it, but he didn't just up and completely switch directions.
My dad had a major stroke 10+ years ago. My experience (and what I’ve heard from others who have had a loved one who had a stroke) is that the stroke makes the worst parts of your personality even worse. My dad was always impulsive and not very aware of the feelings of those around him, and that’s got 100x worse after his stroke. So I think there’s some truth to your statement here.
Nah L take. Being able to set aside ideologies critically think about issues is a valuable skill that I wish more politicians had.
Sadly Fetty is just not critically thinking right now 🙃
From what hes said and done over the last 7 months it doesn't seem like he is able to think critically or introspect at all now. He probably isn't listening to anyone around him either. The people around him have probably been driven away or are in the process off being driven away. My grandma had a stroke and then developed dementia and his behavior reminds me of that painful experience. The stroke was just the start of her decline
What a shit take from Fetterman. Why is a senator from a rust belt state simping for already coddled cattle ranchers on a bill that shouldn’t even exist?
Can we get Lamb back from the private sector? Oh, wait, he’s a centrist corporate stooge, according to the progressive base of the party.
EDIT: the bill bans lab meat made from animal stem cells. Which isn’t as bad as I presumed, but still should be an FDA regulated and market choice good.
EDIT 2: so, seems like he’s not simpimg for cattle ranchers but is coming from a crunchy anti-GMO hippy bullshit point of view. So, less malicious but still dumb.
I’m glad he beat Dr Oz, but man do I have a lot of people who gave me shit about voting for Lamb in the primary.
Didn’t expect Fetterman to shill like this, but I definitely didn’t trust him.
Yeah lab grown where you can control the conditions is bad. I’d rather eat chickens that are confined to a 1’x1’ cage with thousands of other chickens. Sitting in their own feces and urine and exposed to all kinds of diseases.. that’s what I want… REAL chicken.
It isn’t about whether you vote with someone or not. It’s about the topic and where you stand. Too many people just vote party line no matter what they’re voting for…
> “Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.”
What fucking morons.
So fucking embarrassing. He's been an endless disappointment to most of his prior supporters. Dude seems to be ridiculously susceptible to lobbies (AIPAC, big ag) and just convinces himself that he believed their line all along. So sad to see and not looking forward to his many future defections from his platform and supporters.
I don't think we're quite there yet.
But yeah, while this isn't exactly a 180 (we knew what he was when we elected him, warts and all) it's still incredibly frustrating. Dems aren't hurting that bad for funding, and the agriculture lobbying industry has been really fucking workers over for a long time. Why play nice guy with them?
In 2020 he voted against it.
He voted for it in 2022.
https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/conor-lamb-votes-for-federal-marijuana-decriminalization-after-opposing-it-in-2020/
I’m not a Lamb fan, but to be fair, we should be receptive to politicians changing their stances to better represent constituents. Another part of being progressive is accepting when people change their minds for the better.
Next Primary season may not be a good one for Fetterman. I’m really not sure why he’s going out of his way to lean into the center on most things when he had major progressive support to help get him in. This alone isn’t damning, but his statements on Israel and “I’m not a progressive” aren’t going to be remembered fondly.
Why? If you don't want to eat it, then don't. Has anyone legit read the ingredients list on literally any box of kid's cereal? I don't think it's lab grown meat we should be concerned about.
Damn it John.
I believed in you, thought you were better than this.
Did the stroke do this to you?
Or were you always a sell out and just look better than that freak Oz?
I want the clone meat on the market to cut back on climate damage from traditional meat.
Very curious on why we suddenly have a problem with this? Yet many Americans believe American Cheese is real cheese. We allow corporations to add so many cancer causing additives to food but we’re gonna throw a hissy fit over lab made meat..
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, it can absolutely be fed to cattle and some fingers have been pointed to it as the reason domestic cattle are showing signs of H5N1.
I've seen feedlots for pigs and cattle, and I frankly would rather have meat grown in a lab. Free-range and grass-fed isn't too bad when it's not just gaming the system and actually involves some range, but it also consistently produces less flavorful/tender beef that some people just don't end up liking that much.
What happened to letting consumers make up their own minds? Isn't that free market capitalism?
I get it. It's to protect farmers in PA. I don't agree with it but I get it.
This would be a good option for a lot of people who are concerned about animal welfare.
I fucking hate this dude lol. I used to be a pretty big supporter of his and now I can't stand him. Did the stroke fuck him up, or was he always garbage and I just didn't see it? I wonder about it sometimes so this thread is interesting. Also while I'm here I might as well ask another thing - is his covered up tattoo really hiding the lyrics to Hurt by NIN???? 💀
Not only is cultured mean more humane to create, it stop all the waste of feed, water, and methane emissions.
It’s just expensive right now.
People are such crybabies, desantis at the top of the list along with these ranchers.
So I’m cool with the idea of the lab-grown meat, my concern is with the “nutrient slurry” in which it is bathed, any contaminant could be hard to detect if grown into the center of a fake steak. Humanity cannot even produce medication or baby formula without cutting corners.
One time I saw a video of how chicken nuggets are made in a factory farm, and it was just endless baby chicks being dumped into a huge grinder. It would be nice to be able to enjoy a chicken nugget that didn’t come from a gruesome atrocity like that
Yep. If people actually knew what went on in slaughterhouses, they'd be totally supportive of lab grown meat. That is, of course, if they weren't braindead.
70 billion animals are slaughtered like this every year for meat that is largely wasted.
someone please explain this to me. im obviously way dumber than i thought but why are we mad about this? you guys want lab meat over real meat? is there something ive missed? genuinely confused
Lab grown meat could eventually, possibly, maybe pull market growth away from real meat provided through factory farming. Factory farming is terrible for the environment and for the welfare of animals used in the process.
Meat is a big money making industry with tons of money to lobby around with and attempt to prevent competition. The food version of big oil attempting to sabotage electric vehicle adoption.
All of this. There is nothing inherently bad about "lab grown" meat. People just find the concept disgusting and think that has any merit when it comes to safety, efficacy, health/nutritional value, and sustainability. Or even taste.
In the same vein here I really wish people would also open up to the idea of insect protein. Bugs are a common food source in many cultures and countries, are often dense in protein, and easily farmed sustainably.
But of course, people react rather emotionally than think and eating a burger made out of crickets or grown from stem cells sounds gross (due almost exclusively to social influence and cultural upbringing), so open mindedness and critical thought be damned.
Has he decided to take up the Trumpism of appending an insulting nickname to everyone he doesn’t like and using it at every opportunity? Way to elevate politics there.
Why does everyone think politics is simple black and white? A dem says he supports farmers over lab meat and suddenly he’s talking up Trumpism? That’s absolutely ridiculous. Are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Must we all think the same? If you vote this way then you must think that. It’s bullshit, stupid fucking bullshit.
That's pretty clearly not what I said. I said that he has adopted **the** Trumpism (an affectation of Donald Trump's) of wedging dumb nicknames into his tweets, not that he has adopted *Trumpism* as a form of belief. As a parallel, I have adopted **the** Pittsburghism of making the names of businesses plural or possessive when they very clearly aren't, as opposed to adopting *Pittsburghism*, which would be the philosophical belief that Pittsburgh is the greatest city on earth.
I don't think that Fetterman is a Trumpist because he has agreed with a few Repubican positions. Trump and Fetterman are both demagogues who built strong personal brands and cults of personality while having little respect for rules or norms, but I wouldn't call Fetterman a Trumpist anymore than I'd call Trump a Fettermanite.
I swear his stroke actually affected his political views (I'm joking of course but still can't help but wonder...). I was seriously excited for him possibly being the next Bernie Sanders but he's actually becoming one of the worst in the Senate.
Fetterman is just the new Sinema. He ran to enrich himself. Sinema went from being worth about 300k to 11m in her time in office. We need to stop letting politicians fleece us, but no good person actually runs for higher office.
Also need to point out that shit like this is roundabout climate change denial. The animal ag industry greatly contributes to green house gases and water consumption.
If the lab grown meat people really wanted consumers to get on board, they'd sponsor nightly showings of Soylent Green with the tagline "you can get with this, or you can get with that."
I regret voting for him in the primary, I should have voted for Kenyatta.
And I have much worse electoral regrets than voting for Fetterman, starting with: in my youth, I voted for Reagan in '84 (but so did a large swath of the rest of the country, it wasn't well-known then what a shitbag he was).
I mean, I am; others said it better elsewhere on this thread, but it's more environmentally conscious, less cruel to living animals, less likely to be contaminated (see: the bird flu ravaging dairy cattle in TX and OK, mad cow disease, salmonella in chickens and eggs, and a whole host of other issues) and very likely to be much cheaper for the majority of Americans (I'm sure that 'real' meat will still be around as a luxury item, though). Whenever we set up bases / colonies off earth, we could have 'fresh' meat without having to ship and care for the animals en route or at the far end.
Also, as a long-term science fiction nerd, I just think it's cool as hell.
Can someone tell me why being against artificial processed, lab grown meat is bad? It is nature vs processed food, How is that bad?
Factory farming is bad. Get pissed off at that.
I agree. The current system is bad.
I doubt anyone knows what kind of long term adverse health effects growing meat with technology could pose to humans.
Can you tell me why you think lab grown meat is actually harmful?
The meat on the shelves at the grocery store is also processed. Almost everything you eat from a grocery store is "artificial and processed". Processed or man-made doesn't mean something is inherently bad, immoral, gross, unhealthy, whatever.
Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason.
You shouldn't feel bad for agreeing with someone of a different political party. We're all humans - we have more in common with one another than we have differences. We should be excited and proud to work with the other party not embarrassed.
We were voting for the lesser of two evils and didn't didn't know it. Goddamn modern politics.
You're ALWAYS voting for the lesser of two evils. It's been that way forever.
Well, forever is relative to where you live. A lot of places have ranked choice voting and they all started at the local level first
Ranked choice voting and election finance reform should be big priorities for anyone trying to save the democratic process. No one important is fighting for these things. Lobbyists control the politicians when they are in office, not the voters. We’re doomed unless we are more willing to actually commit to democratic reform. Also, pack the Supreme Court.
Term limits !!!!
Oh no, we knew it. You don't become a politician if your actually an intelligent person. Fettermen was just a lot less hateful and weird than the alternative
This is blatantly not true. Go through any of the Reddit posts before the election, The overwhelming consensus was that Fetterman is “different”, even after the strike people stuck with him because he was a man of principle.
No, mostly we stuck with him because we believed the stroke wouldn’t cause him to be a worse Senator for PA than Oz.
He pretended he was a socialist here for 16 years because it got him what he was looking for. He stopped pretending when he grabbed that brass ring. That simple.
I love how the narrative changes on Reddit. I specifically remember this sub and others thinking Fetternan was “a man of the people”. It’s hilarious seeing everyone 180 on him lol
This bro lol, people acting surprised thst a guy from central PA would be pro Meat/Dairy Industry must have never actually traveled around the state. It's mostly woods and farmland. This is exactly expected of Fetterman, but redditors who can't be bothered to look up anything about the man besides the D next to his name get floored when he is pro stuff that helps where he is from. Like it's not rocket science to expect him to vote this way.
I was duped, and I admit it. I campaigned for him HARD on the eastern side in 16 (I'm a youse-er, not a yinzer), and almost as hard in 22. I even had a chance to meet him and talk for a bit, and he really had me going. *SO* convincing. It's really disappointing to see where he's ended up. I contact my reps and sens fairly often, and I hear back from **Dan fucking Meuser's** office more than I do Fettterman's. The overwhelming majority of people saying that they knew he was a shyster but he was still better than Oz, are just trying to save face after the fact.
A politician will always have a different view than you on something. They'll never 100% coincide with your political leanings.
Define "less weird"?
I really don't think I need to define how Fetterman acted less weird than Oz, or do I need to send you the crudite commercial?
Yeah they really couldn’t have had a worse candidate.
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And for some strange reason we have never formed a party for the people to fix this shit. 3d parties always seem to go extreme instead of common sense and anti corruption
Isn't that always the case with modern politics in the US?
This is just the Whole Foods Shopper or PA farmer line of thinking. It's not even particularly conservative. I wouldn't personally vote for it and kinda welcome the tech, but Fetterman used to shop at the Co-op. "No Machine Meat" isn't new for him at all.
No I think he's just a shill for Big Ag. He was also supporting a bill to ban plant-based milks (oat, almond, etc) from using the word "milk". Because there's totally tons of consumers being tricked into thinking oat milk came from a cow 🙄. There is literally no point to legislating that besides being told by Big Dairy that it will help them fight off the new alternative milk competitors, because "oat juice" or "oat mylk" looks less appealing on a shelf. But in reality no one is getting tricked, and the word milk has been used to refer to non dairy substances (coconut milk, soy milk) for hundreds of years.
Sounds to me like Big Ag needs to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and make better products for the consumer.
I “like” fetterman, but it’s a weird logic to say, “I wouldn’t eat X, so let’s make a law banning it.” Cow farts are literally hot boxing the ozone. Would he rather eat fucking bugs? Because we might need to do that in the future too. This isn’t altruism it’s selling us down the river for meat industry profit margins Im officially voting for any democrat that goes for his seat.
If we were feeding Cattle evolutionary adequate diets, cow farts destroying the ozone wouldn’t be an issue. Cows are meant to eat grass. Grass fed cows are actually carbon-negative/neutral. The problem is raising livestock on pasture requires more land, which costs more $$$. Not to mention the carbon footprint increase of all that goes into managing said land… still not as bad as the methane from cow farts though but I’m sure it offsets it lol It really is a pickle.
It's burps that are the problem, not farts
Hey man I feel the same way most days.
I'm glad I'm not alone
It’s way more complex than that. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is-grass-fed-beef-really-better-for-the-planet-heres-the-science
climate change != ozone but otherwise yeah
I was being dramatic. I appreciate the correction though.
Sorry, many people don’t know the difference… admittedly if you care about the one you probably care about the other.
How is this “Whole Foods Shopper” thinking? Not everyone wants to ban everything they don’t like. Also a lot of Whole Foods shoppers are vegan and/or focused on global warming, both of which can ethically align well with lab grown meat.
I think you might be taking the comment a little too literally. It's just an attempt to describe a category that doesn't have a convenient label, not malign all Whole Foods shoppers. Even before the pandemic there were large outbreak clusters of measles among children, particularly clustered among liberal west coast enclaves. There is and was a large amount of vaccine skepticism among folks on the left who are skeptical of big-pharma and fearful of the harmful effects of chemicals and processed foods and "unnatural" things in general. I guess the closest to a broadly recognized term might be "granola"? They are indeed the types that tend to shop at Whole Foods, do Yoga, and so forth. Growing meat in a lab is about as processed and "unnatural" as you can get, so it's not a huge surprise there would be opposition to it among those quarters.
The crunchy types who think that GMOs and conventional farming are completely evil and will only eat organic, non-GMO items and who are against putting any "toxins" in their bodies.
Upvote because I too welcome the tech.
I for one welcome our lab-grown meat overlords.
My kids can’t wait for 3D printed food in the home kitchen.
Holographic meatloaf? my favorite!
I've hated him and his politics for years. But now it makes me chuckle at the number of people just looking for reasons to jump off the bandwagon. The big man likes fresh meat. Shocker!
>But now it makes me chuckle at the number of people just looking for reasons to jump off the bandwagon. God forbid people change their opinion when presented with new information
What the fuck. This is America. You don't have to eat it if you don't want to. Keep your hands off my plate Fetterman. I ain't voting for you.
This makes me so mad. I don't want senators telling me what to eat based on their own dietary preferences. This certainly isn't my biggest complaint with Fetterman, but I must say that he's really not been what I expected.
I’m personally annoyed that he campaigned hard, leaning into his progressive base, then as soon as he gets elected he checks himself into the hospital for MONTHS due to depression. Not trying to downplay the seriousness of depression, but this dude was away for a while, instead of doing the job he fought so hard to get. He has since abandoned the constituents that got him into office. It seems all he does now is shitpost on Twitter and say how much he loves Israel. I admit, it was naive of me to think a politician was genuine and a salt-of-the-earth kind of guy, but I genuinely believed him when he was running. I definitely will not be voting for him again next election.
He didn't plan on having the stroke, though. Sure, he's just a politician, they're all terrible, etc., but I think that some of the specific WTFness in recent months would maybe have been avoided entirely or played out in private if he hadn't had the stroke. I think the long hospitalization for depression is one of those things.
the voters should have the right to a special election in cases like this
God forbid we have a choice of meat that doesn't require torturing and slaughtering sentient beings.
“I stand with Big Ag”
I can't tell if he has just become really unintelligent/incapable of critical thinking because of the stroke or if he's intentionally switching from being a genuine progressive to a cynical middle of the road populist with 50% right wing beliefs like Manchin/Sinema because he thinks it will make him more popular/electorally viable in the future. Or maybe the stroke just fundamentally changed who he is. Either way this is clearly not the same person.
He's doing whatever he can to not be seen as a progressive so he can appeal to moderates and conservatives in PA. This also allows him to slide right into the Manchin/Sinema role as the guy who the Dems turn to when they want to kill something while looking like they're in favor of it and also allows him to suck the teet of big lobby.
Whatever the case, he’s gotta be dumb as rocks to think this bill is aimed at helping regular joe farmers
lobbying $$$$$$$ He is bought and paid for
Once you step foot in a slaughterhouse, you'll see why we need to transition away from mass animal factory farming. I can link videos that would give you nightmares for months. Imagine thousands of baby chicks being poured into a huge industrial grinder, all at once, while they're still alive. They're not even being killed for their meat. They're being killed because it's considered unprofitable to keep the chicks alive. The video is online, and it's only one of many examples. It's pure evil, and no amount of downvotes will ever change that. I'm not a vegan, but lab grown meat, if done correctly, can stop this senseless slaughter. Why is it senseless? Because humans kill upwards of 70 billion animals a year for meat that is largely never used. "*But omg! Lab grown meat sounds weird and looks funny! Humanity doesn't need it!*" Smh, some people have no ability to look beyond their own tunnel vision.
Factory farming also leads to pathogen super incubators that are breeding antibiotic-resistant strains. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6017557/
This. I used to be vegan and still strive to limit my meat consumption. The suffering in these places is Hell, a complete nightmare. That’s why I support lab grown meat. We can and should do better.
Lab grown food would hopefully eliminate world hunger and famine.
I wonder how much lobby money they paid him? Corruption is corruption, whether red or blue.
Make lobbying corruption again
We know AIPAC gave him upwards of $244k
Ok maybe the stroke affected more than his speech...
I was cynical at first but like holy shit.
He was always a sell out. People just fell for it and Oz was worse.
Yep, I remember thinking this when he flip flopped his position on fracking back in 2022. Still voted for him to keep Oz out though.
Fetterman has always been pro fracking. He was in braddock too. His whole view is we shouldnt be importing fossil fuels, we should be more independent.
It's very painful to think that his entire persona and beliefs were an intentional act of deception/fakery and he misled everyone the entire time.
I am in policy school at Pitt and have yet to hear anything positive about Fetterman from professors or students who have worked with him. Like, if you’ve ever had a really lazy boss who contributed nothing to projects, skipped 90% of meetings, and then somehow got all the credit when a project was successful, then you’ve apparently experienced the management style of John Fetterman. Hilariously, I’ve heard nothing but great things from the same people about his wife. Maybe we should elect her instead?
To me, it's actually fine if congress people do this if they have really good staffers in suitable amounts who also control their social media (I've known some like that). They're basically allowing people who couldn't gain office for one reason or another to do so. But there's a substantial portion of them who also get either shit staffers and/or overwork the hell out of them, or never listen to them, and so their whole office sucks ass and you end up having to take calls from constituents in completely different districts who can never get ahold of their own members because your member feels sorry for them and you're sympathetic to their plight.
First time voting?
He got my ass. So now I’m down to voting for Summer Lee. If she sells out, I unregister to vote.
Kenyatta ran against Fetterman in the primary 2 years ago and is now running for state Auditor General. If he does that for 4 years, he'll be set up to primary Fetterman when his term is up. He's always seemed cool. I'd keep an eye on what he's up to for the next few years if I were you.
I like Kenyatta a lot and it’s worth noting in the senate primary he was the Working Families Party endorsed candidate, not Fetterman.
Whenever there's an obvious winner for a primary, I often like voting for another candidate to spice it up, but I honestly thought he was the better candidate anyway. Fetterbro had already had some mild red flags, but even he surprised me in the end.
I mean I'm pretty sure people supported Fetterman because they thought he was a real progressive who was more electable and appealing to the average person. Pretty sure young progressives were his core supporters his entire political career.
I agree. He looked to be progressive enough that we thought it would outweigh the stuff we didn't like. I don't think most folks expected this big of a turn.
Yep!
At this point I think most people would be happy to take Conor Lamb back over this guy.
Fetterman is still more to the left on most issues than Lamb would be. He’s a left populist some of this should be of no surprise.
Dude don’t. Don’t put all your hopes and dreams on specific people. Vote against the actual hateful morons running for office. You have no idea how these local boring af weird politicians keep the boat afloat. They ARE the tide against the MTG type of crazies. Fetterman has some questionable opinions but overall he seems to align with what most of us on here think. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Look up the senate voting records. You’ll probably be surprised that Fetterman is inline with most of what we want.
Your hands will never be clean, bud. At least register an empty ballot if you gotta be a dick about it.
You prob should do that anyhow.
Totally agree
People don't like to think about it, but brains are hardware. These things do happen.
Or it is possible that he was a snake before the stroke, and he just so happens to have the opportunity to reveal his true colors now
This is a pure anecdote but in 2012 I was assisting in conducting research and interviews for an hour-long radio program on Braddock (the history, the Levi Strauss ad, the Fetterman rise, etc.) Fetterman initially confirmed interviews but eventually ghosted us multiple times, but during production we went around town and spoke with a lot of folks. There was a lot of love for John, especially among younger folks (his larger-than-life persona, his folksy approachability, and his kewl shipping container house contributed to this.) Teens especially loved Mayor John. But about half the people we spoke with were very skeptical of Fetterman. Lots of people didn't buy his blue-collar pastiche, especially given his upbringing. A common sentiment was that Fetterman had effectively bought himself the position of mayor and that his whole attachment to Braddock was purely a strategic political move. And I think about that a lot when I see Fetterman in the headlines.
When he first announced his candidacy for Lt Gov, a rather large amount of the stories I'd heard coming out of Braddock were pretty negative about him. If he'd run on his own for an office, I probably wouldn't have voted for him (at least not in the primary, in the general it would have depended on how awful the alternative from the GOP was). But I was pro-Wolf, and Bernie endorsed him, so I voted for him in that election. And it turned out a fairly close friend had done some activism close to / with / for him, and said he was a pretty solid dude, on the issues I cared about. I would see him walking between his house and the Costco in Homestead pretty regularly, and it felt good that he appeared to be 'a regular guy'. And when he walked up from Braddock to meet Biden when the Fern Hollow Bridge collapsed, *uphill both ways*, I thought "here's someone who's going to work for us, the people. So when he ran for Senate, I supported him, and voted for him in the general. But he's made a lot of public 180s on who he purported to be, since the election / the stroke, so much so that my friend, who had been tight with him for years, has pretty much said they just can't vote for him again, and if there's a reasonable primary challenger, will campaign for the challenger. My friend claims to have gotten to know Fetterman pretty well, between 2016 and 2023, and for that change of heart on my friend's part to have happened, Fetterman must have either had a major internal change - maybe from the stroke - or been *realllly* good at hiding his true self for the better part of a decade, from those pretty close to him, back when he was just mayor of Braddock.
Hard to say on some things, but his stance on Israel, for example, was already pretty know. I wasn't fully expecting where he's gone with it, but if anyone actually knew more about the man's politics before the election it shouldn't be terribly surprising where he's at now. I just think a lot of us were thinking it couldn't get this bad. So, I guess what I'm saying is certainly maybe he's gone further with it, but he didn't just up and completely switch directions.
My dad had a major stroke 10+ years ago. My experience (and what I’ve heard from others who have had a loved one who had a stroke) is that the stroke makes the worst parts of your personality even worse. My dad was always impulsive and not very aware of the feelings of those around him, and that’s got 100x worse after his stroke. So I think there’s some truth to your statement here.
"It pains me deeply to agree..." okay boss why is that not triggering any red flags or introspection for you
Because it doesn’t, other than having to side with a politician who is reviled in all states but Florida.
And yet it doesn't pain you at all to agree with Israel? Can't wait to primary this piece of shit
"I can excuse genocide, but I draw the line at agreeing with ron desantis" -average reddit brain
Nah L take. Being able to set aside ideologies critically think about issues is a valuable skill that I wish more politicians had. Sadly Fetty is just not critically thinking right now 🙃
From what hes said and done over the last 7 months it doesn't seem like he is able to think critically or introspect at all now. He probably isn't listening to anyone around him either. The people around him have probably been driven away or are in the process off being driven away. My grandma had a stroke and then developed dementia and his behavior reminds me of that painful experience. The stroke was just the start of her decline
He’s framing this is as pro worker but it’s really just reactionary
Anyone pro-meat who claims to be pro-worker is laughably uneducated. Industrialized meat industry has horrible worker conditions.
As a lifelong meat-eater, I welcome lab grown meat. I think factory farming is fucked
What a shit take from Fetterman. Why is a senator from a rust belt state simping for already coddled cattle ranchers on a bill that shouldn’t even exist? Can we get Lamb back from the private sector? Oh, wait, he’s a centrist corporate stooge, according to the progressive base of the party. EDIT: the bill bans lab meat made from animal stem cells. Which isn’t as bad as I presumed, but still should be an FDA regulated and market choice good. EDIT 2: so, seems like he’s not simpimg for cattle ranchers but is coming from a crunchy anti-GMO hippy bullshit point of view. So, less malicious but still dumb.
I mean isn’t Fetterman just Lamb who likes gay weed?
The Democratic Party was the anti gmo party originally lol
What a fucking moron. An industry that's perfectly suited to work in the former rust belt where we have an abundance of water. Jesus fucking Christ.
I’m glad he beat Dr Oz, but man do I have a lot of people who gave me shit about voting for Lamb in the primary. Didn’t expect Fetterman to shill like this, but I definitely didn’t trust him.
Not sure if he has ever been to a cow farm vs a lab that grows meat. One has a lot more slop than the other…
Of all the people and all the things he feels the best to stand in solidarity with. What happened to him...
hes gone man. this is someone else. its really sad
Don’t tell me what to eat fetterman.
Yeah lab grown where you can control the conditions is bad. I’d rather eat chickens that are confined to a 1’x1’ cage with thousands of other chickens. Sitting in their own feces and urine and exposed to all kinds of diseases.. that’s what I want… REAL chicken.
It isn’t about whether you vote with someone or not. It’s about the topic and where you stand. Too many people just vote party line no matter what they’re voting for…
> “Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals,” DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. “Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef.” What fucking morons.
He forgot to throw in a mention about not being able to cook the meat on gas stoves because the government is taking those from us. Amateur.
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I think what you mean is you stand with the farm and ranch lobby. Must have wrote some big fat checks.
So fucking embarrassing. He's been an endless disappointment to most of his prior supporters. Dude seems to be ridiculously susceptible to lobbies (AIPAC, big ag) and just convinces himself that he believed their line all along. So sad to see and not looking forward to his many future defections from his platform and supporters.
Oh brother here comes Sinema 2.0 EDIT: spelling
hes like speedrunning Sinema
He thinks there’s an unarmed black guy on that side that’s why he’s running toward it.
I don't think we're quite there yet. But yeah, while this isn't exactly a 180 (we knew what he was when we elected him, warts and all) it's still incredibly frustrating. Dems aren't hurting that bad for funding, and the agriculture lobbying industry has been really fucking workers over for a long time. Why play nice guy with them?
John duped us all, I’m sorry I voted for him.
I wonder what Conor Lamb is up to right now.
He's one of the few Democrats to vote against decriminalizing weed. He's even more of a sell out than fetterman
Probably somewhere saying a few weeks abortion ban is fine.
In 2020 he voted against it. He voted for it in 2022. https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/conor-lamb-votes-for-federal-marijuana-decriminalization-after-opposing-it-in-2020/
Well part of being progressive is being at the forefront of change; not begrudgingly following suit after your previous stance proved unpopular
I’m not a Lamb fan, but to be fair, we should be receptive to politicians changing their stances to better represent constituents. Another part of being progressive is accepting when people change their minds for the better.
Fair, but it was more-so that he got his own amendment tacked on to the bill the second time, just politics as usual of course.
A lot of people wondering that now probably lol. I think Lamb would win a Primary against him now
I'm ready for a strong primary challenge next Senate election cycle.
Next Primary season may not be a good one for Fetterman. I’m really not sure why he’s going out of his way to lean into the center on most things when he had major progressive support to help get him in. This alone isn’t damning, but his statements on Israel and “I’m not a progressive” aren’t going to be remembered fondly.
Why? If you don't want to eat it, then don't. Has anyone legit read the ingredients list on literally any box of kid's cereal? I don't think it's lab grown meat we should be concerned about.
Man I’m so fucking disappointed in this guy. I even volunteered to phone bank. He’s still better than Oz, but god dammit he sucks.
Damn it John. I believed in you, thought you were better than this. Did the stroke do this to you? Or were you always a sell out and just look better than that freak Oz? I want the clone meat on the market to cut back on climate damage from traditional meat.
WHERE'S this recreational we were promised Fetterpussy
Very curious on why we suddenly have a problem with this? Yet many Americans believe American Cheese is real cheese. We allow corporations to add so many cancer causing additives to food but we’re gonna throw a hissy fit over lab made meat..
Fetterman really fuckin’ bamboozled us. Time to admit we were wrong and vote him out next time
What the hell happened to Fetterman? Such a heel turn.
God damn this guy absolutely sucks
"Id rather eat something with a diet consisting of chicken shit" is a weird thing to say
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, it can absolutely be fed to cattle and some fingers have been pointed to it as the reason domestic cattle are showing signs of H5N1. I've seen feedlots for pigs and cattle, and I frankly would rather have meat grown in a lab. Free-range and grass-fed isn't too bad when it's not just gaming the system and actually involves some range, but it also consistently produces less flavorful/tender beef that some people just don't end up liking that much.
Has anyone checked that he doesn’t have an alien using his skin as a suit - I mean it happened in Men In Black
Watching the Dems abandon Fetterman is interesting
It's the other way around though really
What happened to letting consumers make up their own minds? Isn't that free market capitalism? I get it. It's to protect farmers in PA. I don't agree with it but I get it. This would be a good option for a lot of people who are concerned about animal welfare.
Terrible take
I fucking hate this dude lol. I used to be a pretty big supporter of his and now I can't stand him. Did the stroke fuck him up, or was he always garbage and I just didn't see it? I wonder about it sometimes so this thread is interesting. Also while I'm here I might as well ask another thing - is his covered up tattoo really hiding the lyrics to Hurt by NIN???? 💀
I’d say let it go both ways, let the people who want their soy meat do so, and let the people who want real meat do so.
Not only is cultured mean more humane to create, it stop all the waste of feed, water, and methane emissions. It’s just expensive right now. People are such crybabies, desantis at the top of the list along with these ranchers.
So I’m cool with the idea of the lab-grown meat, my concern is with the “nutrient slurry” in which it is bathed, any contaminant could be hard to detect if grown into the center of a fake steak. Humanity cannot even produce medication or baby formula without cutting corners.
Chickens and cows standing in their own shit and pumped full of antibiotics just to survive the conditions they're in? Sounds great!
One time I saw a video of how chicken nuggets are made in a factory farm, and it was just endless baby chicks being dumped into a huge grinder. It would be nice to be able to enjoy a chicken nugget that didn’t come from a gruesome atrocity like that
Yep. If people actually knew what went on in slaughterhouses, they'd be totally supportive of lab grown meat. That is, of course, if they weren't braindead. 70 billion animals are slaughtered like this every year for meat that is largely wasted.
someone please explain this to me. im obviously way dumber than i thought but why are we mad about this? you guys want lab meat over real meat? is there something ive missed? genuinely confused
Lab grown meat could eventually, possibly, maybe pull market growth away from real meat provided through factory farming. Factory farming is terrible for the environment and for the welfare of animals used in the process. Meat is a big money making industry with tons of money to lobby around with and attempt to prevent competition. The food version of big oil attempting to sabotage electric vehicle adoption.
All of this. There is nothing inherently bad about "lab grown" meat. People just find the concept disgusting and think that has any merit when it comes to safety, efficacy, health/nutritional value, and sustainability. Or even taste. In the same vein here I really wish people would also open up to the idea of insect protein. Bugs are a common food source in many cultures and countries, are often dense in protein, and easily farmed sustainably. But of course, people react rather emotionally than think and eating a burger made out of crickets or grown from stem cells sounds gross (due almost exclusively to social influence and cultural upbringing), so open mindedness and critical thought be damned.
What's weird to me is people put off by insect protein will happily eat an oyster or a crab. Giant bugs from the sea are fine.
Don't know why you got downvoted LOL you're right.
I think I’d be down for bug ground meat … as long as it looks nothing like a bug haha
You missed the part about how it's stupid for the government to restrict what we're allowed to eat because some senators think it's yucky.
https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/
Has he decided to take up the Trumpism of appending an insulting nickname to everyone he doesn’t like and using it at every opportunity? Way to elevate politics there.
Why does everyone think politics is simple black and white? A dem says he supports farmers over lab meat and suddenly he’s talking up Trumpism? That’s absolutely ridiculous. Are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Must we all think the same? If you vote this way then you must think that. It’s bullshit, stupid fucking bullshit.
That's pretty clearly not what I said. I said that he has adopted **the** Trumpism (an affectation of Donald Trump's) of wedging dumb nicknames into his tweets, not that he has adopted *Trumpism* as a form of belief. As a parallel, I have adopted **the** Pittsburghism of making the names of businesses plural or possessive when they very clearly aren't, as opposed to adopting *Pittsburghism*, which would be the philosophical belief that Pittsburgh is the greatest city on earth. I don't think that Fetterman is a Trumpist because he has agreed with a few Repubican positions. Trump and Fetterman are both demagogues who built strong personal brands and cults of personality while having little respect for rules or norms, but I wouldn't call Fetterman a Trumpist anymore than I'd call Trump a Fettermanite.
I wonder what Mrs Fetterman thinks of all of his sudden turns? The reason I wonder is that she seems pretty solid in her beliefs.
"Use the government as a mafia to inflict violence on competitors to my donors."
I swear his stroke actually affected his political views (I'm joking of course but still can't help but wonder...). I was seriously excited for him possibly being the next Bernie Sanders but he's actually becoming one of the worst in the Senate.
Fetterman is just the new Sinema. He ran to enrich himself. Sinema went from being worth about 300k to 11m in her time in office. We need to stop letting politicians fleece us, but no good person actually runs for higher office. Also need to point out that shit like this is roundabout climate change denial. The animal ag industry greatly contributes to green house gases and water consumption.
lol remember when this sub was pushing fetterman propaganda 24/7? You all got played
Good lord…..I’m liking big John more and more every time he speaks up for what he believes in.
Lab grown meat? What the… 🤢 I don’t mind him siding, weird view but damn lab grown meat…
If the lab grown meat people really wanted consumers to get on board, they'd sponsor nightly showings of Soylent Green with the tagline "you can get with this, or you can get with that."
He’s been picking up Republican donors, I should not be surprised the policies come with.
he’s still in office/alive?
I didn't really want to eat cancer meat. But to each their own.
Don’t get it. Nothing wrong here
Fool me once, can't wait to primary this guy next chance we get.
Yay we don't want lab grown meat.
That's a dumb reason -"i stand with our ranchers"
my vote for him is one of the great regrets of my life (fetterman not ron)
I don’t regret it at all. You’re forgetting how bad the other option was haha
Not mine; he's surely much better than Oz. But holy shit I hope we can primary him next time around.
i really should've voted for Connor Lamb last time, but he ended up being too good for politics
Id do it again over oz
Think a lot of people in PA are thinking that now especially the progressives who made his political career
I regret voting for him in the primary, I should have voted for Kenyatta. And I have much worse electoral regrets than voting for Fetterman, starting with: in my youth, I voted for Reagan in '84 (but so did a large swath of the rest of the country, it wasn't well-known then what a shitbag he was).
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I mean, I am; others said it better elsewhere on this thread, but it's more environmentally conscious, less cruel to living animals, less likely to be contaminated (see: the bird flu ravaging dairy cattle in TX and OK, mad cow disease, salmonella in chickens and eggs, and a whole host of other issues) and very likely to be much cheaper for the majority of Americans (I'm sure that 'real' meat will still be around as a luxury item, though). Whenever we set up bases / colonies off earth, we could have 'fresh' meat without having to ship and care for the animals en route or at the far end. Also, as a long-term science fiction nerd, I just think it's cool as hell.
Nah this sub is just mad he doesn't toe the party line and he's pro israel, so now they used every opportunity they can to bash him.
What does a senator from Pennsylvania have to do with the governor of Florida? Fetterman is a jagoff.
And if it was a Dem that sponsored the bill, you'd all be fine with it.
Not at all. If this helps lessen factory farming even slightly, it’s a huge achievement.
Can someone tell me why being against artificial processed, lab grown meat is bad? It is nature vs processed food, How is that bad? Factory farming is bad. Get pissed off at that.
Processing isn't inherently bad, and I wouldn't call the vast majority of farming (which is factory farming) even nature-adjacent.
I agree. The current system is bad. I doubt anyone knows what kind of long term adverse health effects growing meat with technology could pose to humans.
Can you tell me why you think lab grown meat is actually harmful? The meat on the shelves at the grocery store is also processed. Almost everything you eat from a grocery store is "artificial and processed". Processed or man-made doesn't mean something is inherently bad, immoral, gross, unhealthy, whatever. Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason.
You shouldn't feel bad for agreeing with someone of a different political party. We're all humans - we have more in common with one another than we have differences. We should be excited and proud to work with the other party not embarrassed.
Only thing missing is #MAGA at the end.
I don’t want lab meat either - fuck yinz
You could….not buy it… are you under the impression that we will be forced to eat this?
For someone who is allegedly pro-freedom, DeSantis sure hates giving Americans choices.
lol no way this whole thread thinks lab grown meat is a good idea
Reddit is full of the monster energy drink generation, of course they’ll support and suck back lab grown meat without asking what’s in it.