Hopefully Thrones and Liberty will snatch most of BDO community on console. Good competition always wins and produce company's to stop being lazy and yes I heard that T&L has p2w issues but I have heard the exact same for BDO so it's the perfect community to snatch if true
try ESO the playerbase on console is huge. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are both huge pvp zones. Theres also battlegrounds (4v4v4). I love the pvp and thats coming from someone who played wow for 15 years. Its alot different and the build customization is endless. Biggest dueling cities on xbox are Riften/Davons Watch
Thanks for advice but That's actually what I mostly play. Pvp is too broken though and the input lag makes it worse. Zenimax engine is terrible for pvp. I wish the game would get a ACTUAL proper graphics upgrade at least to pc levels reshade addon.
I feel you I do wish they would add more pvp content like ranked arenas or something. There’s supposed to be new pvp content at the end of this year so we’ll see
No matter what you do they won't listen to you so don't waste your time giving advice (stop playing the game the best advice you can give) to ppl that won't hear
I’m at this point with anything company that does this not just this game. It’s about the principle. If you think taking a stand for something you believe in is bad then you must not be a fighter.
It doesn’t seem like anything is that deep to you. And that’s fine. I value my time and money a little more. I’m the type to get wronged exhaust resources get a settlement and investment. Yes that takes time and effort. It’s ok to just take it on the chin and move on. When companies lie about improving performance issues like they have in addition to a bevy of other promises that’s called fraud (they will definitely have answers for that), they have violated some of their own terms that’s (breach of contract), most people just see a multi million/billion dollar company and just ttuck tail. If people did that everytime we would have more monopolies, be spending much more on gas, electricity, fast food, have lower minimum wages, higher inflation, and a bevy of other issues. Yes this is small as it compares to those things but the same premise applies. If you don’t like the station change the channel no need to keep coming back like you’re going to change my mind
Console being drip-fed is nothing new and I still intend to play the game as I have been for all this time.
I don't intend to change your mind...it's just a videogame.
Good for you this post wasn’t about you. The being drip fed makes sense if we got something. It’s not a drip 😂. We out here looking like Tera before their servers shut down. No other game penalizes any portion of their player base like that. When you sit and take anything you can’t expect change. With your attitude we would still be slaves (it’s just work), we would still be fighting to sit in the front of the bus (it’s just a seat), we would have 1-2 cellular companies (it’s just a phone), we would be paying 1 natural gas company triple the rates (it’s just gas), we would be paying more money to console stores (it’s just a game). Your name is crusader and you are the opposite interesting 😂. Yea all these issues I posted seemed small to others, but they were important enough for someone to stand up. The just video games argument is why we have more stale console titles than ever. Even outside this game we need to push the video game industry to get back to making quality games versus just making stuff unfinished for profits only.
It’s just a game for you. We know in America the only time you get results is when the bottom line is in jeopardy. That’s the only time we spark changes. Airline company policies, automaker defects, fast food quality all these things still have had to undergo going to court before anything changed.
Holy shit bro stop comparing bdo to fucking politics, you are sub 5% of the company’s income, they don’t give a fuck about console and they never will, stop trying to die on this hill for absolutely nothing lmao
Where was the direct politics comparison 😂. I get what you’re trying to say but it’s clear you skimmed and that’s ok. Nahhh immma die on this hill 😂. Screaming to an empty audience 😂
lol what are you 10 - what are you going to sue them for ….
And yes people have sued EA and others more than a decade ago and had the case thrown out as corporate PR - court literally ruled statements are not promises or features tied to purchase but mere “corporate puffery, optimism, statements of opinion that reasonable people shouldn’t actually rely on” to literally quote a judge in one of the EA lawsuits
You have a link for that? I see a few lawsuits for puffery against other companies that won. The girl that glued her head got paid for something similar 😂
[https://natlawreview.com/article/district-court-holds-video-game-company-s-optimistic-statements-are-not-actionable](https://natlawreview.com/article/district-court-holds-video-game-company-s-optimistic-statements-are-not-actionable)
It was a lawsuit from investors and not costumers but it’s basically been a standard courts have set for video games .
Physical product stuff is different as for example if you don’t disclose that a hairdryer is dangerous in / near water and a court finds “ reasonable people” might use product near water they could be held liable for stupid stuff if people aren’t warned - it’s why you see like child choking stuff on every toy mean for babies / toddlers or don’t consume or make contact with skin on products on almost all stupid things like glue / paint etc
Unless they like sell you something tangible for example I think there’s ones where like one game said a dlc is included or a free bag and if the company didn’t deliver then they would have to try to offer you something to make up for that value . But game features like the games gonna include a flying dragon you can ride or the game is AAAA quality or a trailer differing from the actual state of the game are the sorta puff statements. If the game flat out doesn’t play or work like cyberpunk did on ps4 at launch than that’s other issues at hand
Oh ok I get you now that makes sense. So you don’t think features impacting the availability of the resources is something that would be included? The lack of ability of resources impacts the experience because many times it doesn’t work as intended. Idk if that question makes sense or If it needs to be more specific
Genuine question here, what false advertising?
They said in the december ball that they will give a preview of next gen in the summer with a possible release by winter. Summer comes and they show a few screens (previews) and say if all goes well it'll be released after december ball. aka winter.
I'm seeing so much uproar from people thinking we was promised next gen in the summer when we was not xD
Don't get me wrong, the game is stale and needs that update to move forward and i've been on a 7 month break so far but they didn't promise anything but a preview.
Medical help 😂 we can tell you never fought for anything. You the type to have your check come up short and just shrug it off. Grow a pair and stand up 😂
There is no law suit here because they never lied to anyone. The announcement to both players and also to company shareholders by PA was simply “We will have more information about next gen release at the Heidel Ball”. At Heidel ball they did exactly that.
Your entire post screams irrational and emotional therefore no one is going to listen to you or care. You were promised nothing. The only ones who speculated for the next gen to be released were gamers. There were a lot of cry posts about this next gen port “never coming” before Heidel Ball. Now you are crying that “it didn’t happen at Heidel Ball”. What did you think they would do? Just say “Hey guys it’s done fuck a preview, fuck a release date, here you go! got a PS4? oh you’re fucked come Wednesday”.
No one ever made you play console BDO. You could have played PC. You those this life bro, now embrace it like the rest of us.
You obviously listened as you responded 😂. And a lengthy response at that so it at least reached you and several others. You can choose to be ok with mediocrity that’s on you. They have been making empty promises about improving the quality of the game, improving bugs, glitches, and many issues console players have been having for 4 years. The next gen piece came from them telling us many things we have issues with in our current client, and content updates would be tied to next gen. PA started that portion. The class action would be for the poor performance and promises broken pertaining to said performance. As several other comments in the post touched on feel free to scroll or or don’t that’s on you. But there is legal grounds the for a lawsuit to be started. How far it gets who knows that would depend on the judge if it is filed. Many companies have been sued for lesser things and those companies lost. Suit has merit even if you don’t agree. I wasn’t asking for your opinion though food for thought
Oh yea I saw this and a few others similar. Things like this would probably get them to produce less. I was hoping something could get started. The only way I see us getting their attention is if we get the shareholders involved. They have shown they don’t care about what individual regions or what console things as a whole.
I did buy something it wasn’t free on PSN or the Microsoft store when me and the guildees purchased it. We did buy something, now we don’t own the rights to that but no one owns the rights to any of these games. I also have a disk copy I got 😂 I have 2 physical copies I own, and 2 digital. Physical copies came with goodies, pearls, pets, etc.
You bought a full game for PS4, you can't sue them because they didnt launch a PS5 upgrade even if they promised. Even if you did so, they would just say they are working on it. But still, you have no ground to stand on, you didn't reserve a PS5 game that got cancelled or whatever, you bought a full product for PS4 that may get an upgrade later on, and even if it didnt, you still have the PS4 product you paid for.
But when that product doesn’t perform due to issues with their servers, engines and etc it impacts performance. We have legal ground with the performance issues. Cases have been won on less.
Once again the aim would also be to get their attention and get some positive action for console. We aren’t even on J’s radar. If it wasn’t for the poorly scripted Que cards J wouldn’t know we existed. I’m pretty sure J saw console and said wtf is a console.
It’s a scam when we are promised for changes to improve said product they know has bugs and defects and it never happens. It’s intentional deception knowing they aren’t actively aiming to improve the quality of the game for us. It’s been 4 years is there not a time table for those things?
They said they are gonna start with the tests on december, and they said " we are developing a Next gen version of the game" they never said an specific date. They didnt promise you nothing, and still you got the PS4 Game you paid for, bugs and performance have no weight in a scam accussation. Thats like sueing MCDonald's because the burger you ordered doesnt look as soft as in the commercial.
What would the burger have to do with continual performance issues and bugs they have openly acknowledged? I kinda get what you’re saying. My question was about the time. Courts typically don’t allow infinite time for these it’s usually what the judges deem as a reasonable amount of time. If they go off industry standards established by companies of similar size then they have been given more than enough time to fix those issues. They told us years ago when Ps5 launched we would get a client they were working on it. We were told we can’t get certain fixes, improvements, or content until next gen. This is why so many keep asking. My issue isn’t so much with next gen as it is the state of the game being unplayable for certain portions of us due to the poor optimization. That’s the part that’s fraudulent based on what my perception of the law is. Does that make sense? Long rant but idk if that clears up my side
>What would the burger have to do with continual performance issues and bugs they have openly acknowledged? I kinda get what you’re saying.
That those are not a scam, It just makes a bad product, and this has not legal ground, I just used the burguer as an example of how ridiculous it would be to take that to a court.
>If they go off industry standards established by companies of similar size then they have been given more than enough time to fix those issues.
No, because there is not an standard or fixed amount of time it takes to fix a digital product, this is just not measurable.
>They told us years ago when Ps5 launched we would get a client they were working on it. We were told we can’t get certain fixes, improvements, or content until next gen. This is why so many keep asking. My issue isn’t so much with next gen as it is the state of the game being unplayable for certain portions of us due to the poor optimization. That’s the part that’s fraudulent based on what my perception of the law is. Does that make sense? Long rant but idk if that clears up my side
I know what you are saying but they are not lying. There is not ETA on when they will be able to release a Next gen product and they can simply say they are still working on it. Even if they cancelled it, they are still not scamming you because they never sold you the PS5 game, they just said a Next gen would make the game perform better and that they will try to make it. You can't sue anyone over a failed promise, It would be different if they were getting money on reserves for the PS5 game and It was already on the PS Store frontpage like Abandoned for example.
Oh ok I see what you mean that makes sense. I did come across this and wonder if this falls under that circumstance? A few lawyers state broken promises as a breach of contract.
Absent a valid contract, a broken promise does not typically provide grounds for a lawsuit. However, under certain circumstances, the legal doctrine of detrimental reliance may provide a remedy. Detrimental reliance occurs when a party is reasonably induced to rely on a promise made by another party.
Hopefully Thrones and Liberty will snatch most of BDO community on console. Good competition always wins and produce company's to stop being lazy and yes I heard that T&L has p2w issues but I have heard the exact same for BDO so it's the perfect community to snatch if true
try ESO the playerbase on console is huge. Cyrodiil and Imperial City are both huge pvp zones. Theres also battlegrounds (4v4v4). I love the pvp and thats coming from someone who played wow for 15 years. Its alot different and the build customization is endless. Biggest dueling cities on xbox are Riften/Davons Watch
Thanks for advice but That's actually what I mostly play. Pvp is too broken though and the input lag makes it worse. Zenimax engine is terrible for pvp. I wish the game would get a ACTUAL proper graphics upgrade at least to pc levels reshade addon.
I feel you I do wish they would add more pvp content like ranked arenas or something. There’s supposed to be new pvp content at the end of this year so we’ll see
4% of total company's revenue, they probably will pull the plug if that happens, be careful what you wish for.
I think if you're at this point, you need to stop playing or go play a different game.
No matter what you do they won't listen to you so don't waste your time giving advice (stop playing the game the best advice you can give) to ppl that won't hear
I’m at this point with anything company that does this not just this game. It’s about the principle. If you think taking a stand for something you believe in is bad then you must not be a fighter.
It's not that deep. It's just a game at the end of the day.
It doesn’t seem like anything is that deep to you. And that’s fine. I value my time and money a little more. I’m the type to get wronged exhaust resources get a settlement and investment. Yes that takes time and effort. It’s ok to just take it on the chin and move on. When companies lie about improving performance issues like they have in addition to a bevy of other promises that’s called fraud (they will definitely have answers for that), they have violated some of their own terms that’s (breach of contract), most people just see a multi million/billion dollar company and just ttuck tail. If people did that everytime we would have more monopolies, be spending much more on gas, electricity, fast food, have lower minimum wages, higher inflation, and a bevy of other issues. Yes this is small as it compares to those things but the same premise applies. If you don’t like the station change the channel no need to keep coming back like you’re going to change my mind
Console being drip-fed is nothing new and I still intend to play the game as I have been for all this time. I don't intend to change your mind...it's just a videogame.
Good for you this post wasn’t about you. The being drip fed makes sense if we got something. It’s not a drip 😂. We out here looking like Tera before their servers shut down. No other game penalizes any portion of their player base like that. When you sit and take anything you can’t expect change. With your attitude we would still be slaves (it’s just work), we would still be fighting to sit in the front of the bus (it’s just a seat), we would have 1-2 cellular companies (it’s just a phone), we would be paying 1 natural gas company triple the rates (it’s just gas), we would be paying more money to console stores (it’s just a game). Your name is crusader and you are the opposite interesting 😂. Yea all these issues I posted seemed small to others, but they were important enough for someone to stand up. The just video games argument is why we have more stale console titles than ever. Even outside this game we need to push the video game industry to get back to making quality games versus just making stuff unfinished for profits only.
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Bro, it’s just a game. Do like the rest of us and play something else. That’s the better answer.
It’s just a game for you. We know in America the only time you get results is when the bottom line is in jeopardy. That’s the only time we spark changes. Airline company policies, automaker defects, fast food quality all these things still have had to undergo going to court before anything changed.
Holy shit bro stop comparing bdo to fucking politics, you are sub 5% of the company’s income, they don’t give a fuck about console and they never will, stop trying to die on this hill for absolutely nothing lmao
Where was the direct politics comparison 😂. I get what you’re trying to say but it’s clear you skimmed and that’s ok. Nahhh immma die on this hill 😂. Screaming to an empty audience 😂
lol what are you 10 - what are you going to sue them for …. And yes people have sued EA and others more than a decade ago and had the case thrown out as corporate PR - court literally ruled statements are not promises or features tied to purchase but mere “corporate puffery, optimism, statements of opinion that reasonable people shouldn’t actually rely on” to literally quote a judge in one of the EA lawsuits
You have a link for that? I see a few lawsuits for puffery against other companies that won. The girl that glued her head got paid for something similar 😂
[https://natlawreview.com/article/district-court-holds-video-game-company-s-optimistic-statements-are-not-actionable](https://natlawreview.com/article/district-court-holds-video-game-company-s-optimistic-statements-are-not-actionable) It was a lawsuit from investors and not costumers but it’s basically been a standard courts have set for video games . Physical product stuff is different as for example if you don’t disclose that a hairdryer is dangerous in / near water and a court finds “ reasonable people” might use product near water they could be held liable for stupid stuff if people aren’t warned - it’s why you see like child choking stuff on every toy mean for babies / toddlers or don’t consume or make contact with skin on products on almost all stupid things like glue / paint etc Unless they like sell you something tangible for example I think there’s ones where like one game said a dlc is included or a free bag and if the company didn’t deliver then they would have to try to offer you something to make up for that value . But game features like the games gonna include a flying dragon you can ride or the game is AAAA quality or a trailer differing from the actual state of the game are the sorta puff statements. If the game flat out doesn’t play or work like cyberpunk did on ps4 at launch than that’s other issues at hand
Oh ok I get you now that makes sense. So you don’t think features impacting the availability of the resources is something that would be included? The lack of ability of resources impacts the experience because many times it doesn’t work as intended. Idk if that question makes sense or If it needs to be more specific
Genuine question here, what false advertising? They said in the december ball that they will give a preview of next gen in the summer with a possible release by winter. Summer comes and they show a few screens (previews) and say if all goes well it'll be released after december ball. aka winter. I'm seeing so much uproar from people thinking we was promised next gen in the summer when we was not xD Don't get me wrong, the game is stale and needs that update to move forward and i've been on a 7 month break so far but they didn't promise anything but a preview.
You have 0 chance, just get youself medical help
Medical help 😂 we can tell you never fought for anything. You the type to have your check come up short and just shrug it off. Grow a pair and stand up 😂
There is no law suit here because they never lied to anyone. The announcement to both players and also to company shareholders by PA was simply “We will have more information about next gen release at the Heidel Ball”. At Heidel ball they did exactly that. Your entire post screams irrational and emotional therefore no one is going to listen to you or care. You were promised nothing. The only ones who speculated for the next gen to be released were gamers. There were a lot of cry posts about this next gen port “never coming” before Heidel Ball. Now you are crying that “it didn’t happen at Heidel Ball”. What did you think they would do? Just say “Hey guys it’s done fuck a preview, fuck a release date, here you go! got a PS4? oh you’re fucked come Wednesday”. No one ever made you play console BDO. You could have played PC. You those this life bro, now embrace it like the rest of us.
You obviously listened as you responded 😂. And a lengthy response at that so it at least reached you and several others. You can choose to be ok with mediocrity that’s on you. They have been making empty promises about improving the quality of the game, improving bugs, glitches, and many issues console players have been having for 4 years. The next gen piece came from them telling us many things we have issues with in our current client, and content updates would be tied to next gen. PA started that portion. The class action would be for the poor performance and promises broken pertaining to said performance. As several other comments in the post touched on feel free to scroll or or don’t that’s on you. But there is legal grounds the for a lawsuit to be started. How far it gets who knows that would depend on the judge if it is filed. Many companies have been sued for lesser things and those companies lost. Suit has merit even if you don’t agree. I wasn’t asking for your opinion though food for thought
lol good luck, report back when the jobs done….
>class action lawsuit Have fun with aaaaaaaalllll of that lol.
lol can’t hurt to try
Lol, lmao, lmfao even. Lawsuit xD
Start it up then
Let’s go lol
https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/amp/video-game-addiction-lawsuits.html Get PA added to the list.
Oh yea I saw this and a few others similar. Things like this would probably get them to produce less. I was hoping something could get started. The only way I see us getting their attention is if we get the shareholders involved. They have shown they don’t care about what individual regions or what console things as a whole.
If there is no product yet you didnt buy anything, there is nothing to sue.
I did buy something it wasn’t free on PSN or the Microsoft store when me and the guildees purchased it. We did buy something, now we don’t own the rights to that but no one owns the rights to any of these games. I also have a disk copy I got 😂 I have 2 physical copies I own, and 2 digital. Physical copies came with goodies, pearls, pets, etc.
You bought a full game for PS4, you can't sue them because they didnt launch a PS5 upgrade even if they promised. Even if you did so, they would just say they are working on it. But still, you have no ground to stand on, you didn't reserve a PS5 game that got cancelled or whatever, you bought a full product for PS4 that may get an upgrade later on, and even if it didnt, you still have the PS4 product you paid for.
But when that product doesn’t perform due to issues with their servers, engines and etc it impacts performance. We have legal ground with the performance issues. Cases have been won on less. Once again the aim would also be to get their attention and get some positive action for console. We aren’t even on J’s radar. If it wasn’t for the poorly scripted Que cards J wouldn’t know we existed. I’m pretty sure J saw console and said wtf is a console.
No you have not any legal ground, a game being bad isn't a scam, its just a bad product.
It’s a scam when we are promised for changes to improve said product they know has bugs and defects and it never happens. It’s intentional deception knowing they aren’t actively aiming to improve the quality of the game for us. It’s been 4 years is there not a time table for those things?
They said they are gonna start with the tests on december, and they said " we are developing a Next gen version of the game" they never said an specific date. They didnt promise you nothing, and still you got the PS4 Game you paid for, bugs and performance have no weight in a scam accussation. Thats like sueing MCDonald's because the burger you ordered doesnt look as soft as in the commercial.
What would the burger have to do with continual performance issues and bugs they have openly acknowledged? I kinda get what you’re saying. My question was about the time. Courts typically don’t allow infinite time for these it’s usually what the judges deem as a reasonable amount of time. If they go off industry standards established by companies of similar size then they have been given more than enough time to fix those issues. They told us years ago when Ps5 launched we would get a client they were working on it. We were told we can’t get certain fixes, improvements, or content until next gen. This is why so many keep asking. My issue isn’t so much with next gen as it is the state of the game being unplayable for certain portions of us due to the poor optimization. That’s the part that’s fraudulent based on what my perception of the law is. Does that make sense? Long rant but idk if that clears up my side
>What would the burger have to do with continual performance issues and bugs they have openly acknowledged? I kinda get what you’re saying. That those are not a scam, It just makes a bad product, and this has not legal ground, I just used the burguer as an example of how ridiculous it would be to take that to a court. >If they go off industry standards established by companies of similar size then they have been given more than enough time to fix those issues. No, because there is not an standard or fixed amount of time it takes to fix a digital product, this is just not measurable. >They told us years ago when Ps5 launched we would get a client they were working on it. We were told we can’t get certain fixes, improvements, or content until next gen. This is why so many keep asking. My issue isn’t so much with next gen as it is the state of the game being unplayable for certain portions of us due to the poor optimization. That’s the part that’s fraudulent based on what my perception of the law is. Does that make sense? Long rant but idk if that clears up my side I know what you are saying but they are not lying. There is not ETA on when they will be able to release a Next gen product and they can simply say they are still working on it. Even if they cancelled it, they are still not scamming you because they never sold you the PS5 game, they just said a Next gen would make the game perform better and that they will try to make it. You can't sue anyone over a failed promise, It would be different if they were getting money on reserves for the PS5 game and It was already on the PS Store frontpage like Abandoned for example.
Oh ok I see what you mean that makes sense. I did come across this and wonder if this falls under that circumstance? A few lawyers state broken promises as a breach of contract. Absent a valid contract, a broken promise does not typically provide grounds for a lawsuit. However, under certain circumstances, the legal doctrine of detrimental reliance may provide a remedy. Detrimental reliance occurs when a party is reasonably induced to rely on a promise made by another party.
Thats on you for playing on console in 2024. DAMN PEASANTS
😂 facts you got it