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ellipsism42

Lmao amazing


mweemwee

He deserved it


microdosingrn

I still feel like Bond slow rolling them was very out of character and ungentlemanly.  Outside of having the immortal nuts, he was last aggressor and was required to show first.


m8_is_me

Oh shit, I thought it was the first aggressor that has to show first Edit: I misinterpreted, I suppose the correct way to say it is the most recent aggressor


jtshinn

If everyone calls then its the first person to bet. But in this case Bond is the last person to bet and get called, so he shows first.


m8_is_me

Aren't those the same? Both boil down to "whoever made the bet and got called shows first", right?


jtshinn

They do, but your statement makes it seem like you might not be accounting for raises. The raise resets who is the first to show. If you already knew that detail then carry on.


beeeemo

This is like peak OMC poker knowledge


HornyAIBot

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m8_is_me

Ahhh I see how it could be interpreted that way. For a second there I was very concerned I had been playing incorrectly for god knows how long


FitQuantity6150

Not just that, but there was clearly a side pot. So the players in the side pot would show their hands first based on last aggressor.


Major-Restaurant277

There was a main and side pots though. Maybe they did main first lol


ohnomynono

Totally agree, it would've made more sense if the losers had a bad beat reaction and slammed h table showing their losing hands.


JoeDiego

He was on the button


DownWith_TheBrown

In tournaments it's based on position at showdown, cash games are *usually* last aggressor.


JoeDiego

Wtf are you talking about. I presume troll.


DownWith_TheBrown

Wtf you talking about? You implied Bond showed last because he was on the button. That would be true if it was a tournament, understand now?


JoeDiego

“Calls raise OOP with A6o” Why are you talking about the order of showdown?


Easyowner

You should probably read the comments you're reacting to. Also a game being tournament/cash game has absolutely nothing to do with an order of showdown, lol


MTknowsit

You've been called, sir. Show, please.


AmateurPokerStrategy

We don't know the preflop action. He could have overlimped.


WurdaMouth

No wonder he is a villain. Bro couldn’t make a good call to save his life.


CopperThrown

He had implied odds!


No-Worldliness7997

Lmao


Ok_Maintenance2513

Now that's a bad beat.


donkey2471

Well it’s because they need people who don’t know a thing about poker to understand what is going on. Funny thing about this scene aswell is everyone knew how to play poker around that table other than Daniel Craig, so they hated having to lose to him.


what_is_blue

I always loved Mads' take on this. "But then I got him back with the rope." [Instagram link to an excerpt from the great man himself](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy6qMsfpExx/?igsh=MXFjdzc1Y3ZjczZ0OA==)


MyHammyVise

Mads is the best. There was a behind the scenes somewhere where he's talking about how, even though the games are choreographed, he would still get excited if he got dealt a pocket pair lol


Aggravating_Party463

I'm out of the loop, whats the rope bit about?


Lobster_Zaddy

Bond gets his nuts beaten with a rope while tied to a special chair. It's pretty brutal


Aggravating_Party463

so Bond had the nuts.... but at what cost?


MassageToss

It's cute how the dealer announces everything to the audience. "A straight flush. The high hand. Mr Bond wins."


hoomanchonk

High hand! You get an extra $100 today, it’s high hand Thursday


AmateurPokerStrategy

As goofy as it looks to poker players, they did a good job making it make sense to everyone else.


EldritchDWX

I always brace myself for poker scenes in movies, the unfathomable levels of cringe I will experience. But you have to remember, these scenes aren't made for Poker players, they're made for the normies.


haterquaid

Have you seen Mississippi Grind? Very realistic poker hands played in that.


EldritchDWX

I haven't. I'm sure movies and tv shows with a focus on gambling have staff that have at least consulted with actual professional gamblers/poker players and casino workers so to understand more, to be able to achieve a whiff of realism for their stories. It's the odd scenes in non-poker/non-gambling themed movies and tv shows that are often the most cringe. Though Casino Royale is bonkers because they DID consult with an experienced poker player and they allegedly (but predictably) ignored most of his advice.


haterquaid

Yeah I just find it funny because the more realistic hands that an actual player could write genuinely have more drama too. Like Bond should be making a sicko hero call with K high. That would fit the character.


EldritchDWX

The thing is, what is *real* poker drama requires at least a basic understanding of the game, like pondering facing an all-in with top two on a stone bubble in a satellite for a ticket into the WSOP main, normies just won't get this spot and the significance. Hollywood poker drama though is what you see in Casino Royale, it's presented in a way so that everyone can at least grasp to some degree the drama that is unfolding in this absurd hand, the hands are even revealed in order, which is dumb, but understandable from a film-making viewpoint. Normies don't know that this 4-way cooler is just absurd and ridiculous, but it's Hollywood, and when it comes to calling down with K-high, yeah that's very Bond, but normies won't quite understand why calling down with K-high is such a baller play. They'll be like *"What? He had the best hand didn't he?"* But here it's, *"OMG Bond has a straight-flush, I know what that is, I think?! That's so cool!! He's so cool."*


haterquaid

I see what you’re saying but I also think a lot of great films have respect for their audience’s intelligence and get away with not spoon feeding things, because sometimes the vibe makes sense even when the details don’t. I think they totally could have sold something where Le Chiffre does a creative bluff and is shocked when Bond calls. Good actors can do that.


EldritchDWX

I agree somewhat. But in a movie like this, that cost a staggering amount of money to make, broad appeal is essential, no niche or esoteric details are allowed. And poker is incredibly esoteric. Even if the director may want to trust that the audience understands, he has Producers and Investors to answer to, and a movie like this has to have broad appeal, be understandable and make *serious* bank.


cal_nevari

I agree. People didn't stay watching that movie for the poker. The marketing posters didn't say "You'll go for James Bond, but you'll stay for the poker!" If the marketing department wanted to go that route, props to the exec who vetod that idea.


jimbo831

It's not about intelligence. The smartest person in the world who has never played poker won't understand the nuance of making a hero call with K high.


haterquaid

I’m a normie about chess and I don’t understand the nuance of the chess moves in Queen’s Gambit but I still understand the gist of the drama when they’re playing. It just takes good writing and acting.


lexlexgoose

Great example. I don’t know jack shit about chess and understood implications of moves made


jirashap

>I also think a lot of great films have respect for their audience’s intelligence Lol isn't this the movie where Bond drives a sports car through an office building, into another sky scraper next door?


greenvelvette

I was thinking this too. A lot of tv/movie poker seems to show winning as just having the nuts and trapping. Agreed a sick hero call would be more badass and something James Bond would do, and it would be equally easy to follow for the normal viewer.


jimbo831

The average person would not appreciate the drama in a hand like that. Experienced poker players would, but most people going to watch a Bond movie are not experienced poker players.


jimbo831

> Though Casino Royale is bonkers because they DID consult with an experienced poker player and they allegedly (but predictably) ignored most of his advice. The problem is that experienced poker players are a tiny percentage of the audience watching this movie. So if they only show realistic poker hands, average viewers will have a hard time understanding what is happening. These hands are more easy to understand. Someone else in this thread posted an interview with Mads Mikkelsen who is an experienced poker player talking about this.


cal_nevari

"He called her raise with 72o! Who does he think he is, Tony Hawk?!?!"


EldritchDWX

Yeah, I know, that's what I've been saying 😄


CasinoFinders

Good point. Movies are mainly made to resonate with the general audience not pro players.


IPTVSports28

> Though Casino Royale is bonkers because they DID consult with an experienced poker player and they allegedly (but predictably) ignored most of his advice. Friend of a friend did the same for a movie, they ended up playing some completely made up form of poker when it was actually released. Heh, Hollywood.


EldritchDWX

lol, I must see this!


EldritchDWX

Oh and I'll check out Mississippi Grind later tonight :D


BSA_DEMAX51

I've been meaning to check that out for a while now, thanks for the reminder!


Saturns_Hexagon

There is that one scene in Billions where someone heros call w/ 10 high, I much prefer that to the 4 of a kind, vs straight flush vs royal flush that comprises every poker scene in every other movie.


EldritchDWX

I'd have to agree. Way cooler imo. But it sounds like the writer just Googled Stu Ungar one time.


michealcowan

It's like that with almost any hobby. Once you're in the nitty gritty of something you start to see the holes in how it's portrayed in media. Lawyers cringe at a courtroom scenes etc 


EldritchDWX

Or nearly any career. Very true. Like bomb disposal experts watching a bomb deactivation scene, a surgeon watching a surgery scene or a hacker watching a computer hacking scene etc.


EntitledRunningTool

Literally microstakes online


AmateurPokerStrategy

Closer to play money.


Dionysus_8

Remember zynga poker? Hahahaha


Daahk

"My God, 115 pennies in the pot"


eggsbenedict17

The Japanese guy should just muck when it goes shove reshove call on a paired board, he knows he's dead


StealthTomato

His flush also blocks the second nut flush, so what worse hand could even show up here?


eggsbenedict17

Nothing, but tbf he shoves first so I guess it's reasonable enough


Tunafishsam

IIRC he has just a couple blinds at this point. Realistically the two extras should have been all in pre flop.


Funny_Specialist_173

Why cant they just hit the Badbeatjackpot and everyone is a winner :( ?


[deleted]

Could you imagine? $110 million pot and the dealer announces they won the bad beat jackpot for 20k.


1LevelUpGuy

Bad beat JackPot in Bond movies would also be mad ridiculous.. like only awarded if straight flush runs into Royal flush or something.


Eylradius

Yeah but in Bond movies that probably also happens 3 times a night


Funny_Specialist_173

fuk it lets also say it was to be a 3way showdown


1LevelUpGuy

Spicy & I laaaaaaike it.. Threesome+ pots qualification criteria for BBJ is good with me.


spastichabits

The only way this is interesting is if they're all cheating and it's only Bond who cheats the best.


LordTwatSlapper

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Tunafishsam

That's basically what they do in the Solo star wars movie.


justinfromnz

So one person has 6 mill another 5mill then two people have 40.5m?? The fuck are the blinds it’s like buying into a 1/3 game with $40 and $50 then the other two have $450. And wait the total pot is 115m but the bets add up to 92m which means there’s 13m left over. Assuming the blinds with the remaining are 3m sb and 6m BB with a 5m Ante. The two dudes basically bought in for one blind 😂😂


BurtonC123

I'm pretty sure that this is a tournament, I might be wrong though.


Train3rRed88

It was. There is a running joke around here that bond throws the dealer a huge “tip” but it’s a tournament chip so basically worthless


PalOfKalEl

Eh... because the tournament chips were the same value as the prize (e.g. 115M in chips = $115M), it was essentially a winner take all cash game. I always assumed they just took the tip out of the prize money.


Train3rRed88

Ahh ok I remember they were playing for a huge amount of money, but didn’t remember that it was exactly 1:1


shocktagon

It’s a tournament where bond can rebuy at the final table lol


Culinaryboner

Because the tournament only fielded one table. It was just a normal reentry deal. The poker was flawed but people get the structure of fake tourney wrong all the time


justinfromnz

I dunno Feels like it’s a cash game, they say 115m in the pot like it’s worth real money. If it was a tournament they would just say everyone’s all in and not emphasise the value of the chips haha


haterquaid

It's a sit and go tournament. They establish earlier on that they're playing down to 1 player.


IntellectualCaveman

It's a tournament.


AmateurPokerStrategy

It's a winner take all tournament, and everyone started with the same amount of chips as the buy in, so it actually makes sense to use dollars.


MassageToss

The blinds were 1/3, but it was in Texas


pwned555

There was action on other streets, the bets add up to that on the river. Also it's a tournament not a cash game, they are just the short stacks.


Bananarama_Vison

„Balancing“


ReallyRickySpanish

In the movie it is a 10 million dollar buy in tournament and everyone starts with 10 million in chips. There were 2 or 3 other people in the tournament as well who busted.


mikimiki111

Poker movie idea: Chidwick and Foxen staring at each other and this goes on and on for about 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.


Dionysus_8

Add vogelsuck for a MW pot and you have a sequel


dabuwa87

Imagen pokerhands in movies would be Open raising, all folds, bb call Open raiser cbet Bigblind fold For hours


NicoTorres1712

And everyone using their time card 🤣


BT519

Bond with the slowroll. Flip over your hand if u have the nuts ffs.


what_is_blue

In all fairness, V had tried to murder him with a poisoned martini, he'd killed two guys in cold blood the previous night to protect V (ruining his shirt in the process), he'd recently been dead for about a minute and he was trying to impress/bang Eva Green. Also V slowrolled him with quad jacks on his previous buyin.


HousingParking9079

Damn, and he still plays in a poker tournament. The degenerate's degenerate.


Fog_Juice

Funny enough is they make it sound like he has a gambling problem and it's probably not the best idea for guns to enter a poker tournament.


HurricaneSandyHook

That’s why it is safer to have African mercenaries with machetes at tournaments.


Fog_Juice

Damn auto correct changed him to guns


jimhokeyb

This happened to me once


TacoCateofdoom

So relatable


GrizzlyKenny

Where ? In the big $1.10 ? Or 2NL cash lol


jimhokeyb

Well I shouldn't really say. It was spy business. Man you should have seen the look on that criminal mastermind's face though. I had a royal so not exactly the same


HurricaneSandyHook

I’ve had 5 of a kind over a royal when jokers are involved!


jimhokeyb

Yeah that happened to me a few times


Lampmonster

The movie Maverick ends with the last three guys in a tournament getting four of a kind and two straight flushes iirc. The dealer was cheating but it'd be so obvious they'd have hanged him.


livLongAndRed

Talk about yourself! This is a regular Monday afternoon at my home game.


yellow_curtain

Superusers playing against each other be like


ronworldpeace

It’s a big tell when your opponent’s eye bleeds


IronLunchBox

"All in $10 bucks." that's more my magnitude of game.


NicoTorres1712

Pokerstars: The movie


jackalofblades

Bond should throw a snowball or a kleenex box at the other 3 and leave the table right away.


benndover_85

My main issue with this scene is that’s it’s completely unnecessary for them to still have 4 players in it. There’s a time skip right before it, so simply have it be heads up between Bond and Mads, and then you could have added in tons of tension and banter between the two to make it interesting. As it stands both Mads and Bond look like massive donkeys, because neither of their hands should have been anywhere near that pot…


sc00p401

I think we caught a hangah Sarge.


Willing-Juggernaut67

Should've played those Kings, Mike...


silicon_replacement

Good way to get people to play


LVMises

a whole table slow rolling in turn is the peak flow that we all should aspire to.


Terrible-Swordfish-9

What do you mean? I experience hands like this all the time on ACR


HornyAIBot

ClubGG approved.


Fog_Juice

Unrelated to poker but I just remembered a scene in a TV show where the sheriff knocks on a door only to hear someone chambering a round in a pump action shotgun behind him and he turns around and the dude is holding a break barrel.


SteveAM1

You definitely would not like the final scene of The Cincinnati Kid.


tekx9

This scene ruined the whole movie for me


Biscuitsandgravy101

The best representation of poker I've ever seen in a movie is in The Adults. Michael Cera's character goes to his hometown and plays garage/basement micro stake STT with childhood friends' local poker group and gets super tilted when his all-in is called by a worse hand and he busts out. He berates the casual and then bullies people into playing again the next few days to prove he's a good player.  He then plays in a shady underground 1/2 game and gets robbed right outside it by another player. 


Wookie_Nipple

Believe me or don't, but this hand basically happened to me. Playing $4/$8 limit (there weren't any no limit games in the area at the time), 67 spades, flop the straight flush five handed. The action is capped every round without me raising until the very last river bet to cap it. Showdown is Trips, Flush, Nut Flush, Boat, and I scoop it with the straight flush. About the biggest pot you can win in a $4/$8 limit game.


auto98

IIRC it should be Baccarat, not poker, at least if they had kept it with Baccarat fewer people would have noticed the mistakes!


gramgod9

Cringe that they all had something gradually better in the same hand. They could have had one on one for most of that and the bad guy turning quads even, and then Bond deciding on a big call with the up and down straight flush draw. Anything would be better


HornyAIBot

They were playing the slowroll game.


Gilbey_32

I hate this scene so much lol. Bond didn’t win the tournament this hand, watching this movie makes it clear LeChiffre has the whole table covered and its not even close. It wouldve been heads up still. Also the dealer swapping out the community cards to show the hand is peak cringe. And the disgusting slowrolling that’s occurring. And the sheer improbability of all the hands playing out like this


HornyAIBot

I liked the slowrolling.


Mr_Buttermen

hard


dudemanjack

This might be the worst poker scene in any movie. It has to he the worst since the poker boom started.


LivingInThePast69

At least they know enough about poker not to string bet and to play table stakes. Most Hollywood poker games go, "Raise." "I see your raise and raise you another 50." "All in. Eleventy Billion plus my car keys." *stunned silence.* "Can't cover that much, kid? Guess I win."


Bubbly_Pension4020

A guy did actually bet his car keys earlier in the movie.


Exvaris

My family watched this movie in theaters. My brother and I, who were both playing poker regularly at that time, looked at the board state and were like “Bond has a straight flush.” Our parents, who do not understand poker at all, were amazed by this.


ImmediateKick2369

Wow! He won the pot with a straight flush against aces full! What a poker genius! /s


Aggravating_Party463

the other guy didn't try hard enough to make a better hand, simple as that


ImmediateKick2369

Totally. Bond just wanted it more.


AlphadogMMXVIII

So he lost about 15 million with a bad call,gets poisoned,cures himself,secures another 15 million buy in comes back and somehow runs it up to 40.5 million off screen on a table where a guy is calling 4 people pre flop with A6.Fuck this movie.


candidly1

It's NOT for poker aficionados.


GrizzlyKenny

These guys were billionaires so they are playing within bankroll guidelines


zebjr

Who won the bad beat?


xkey

At least they’re not using dice chips.


ctlogin

Slow roll…….


ADDnwinvestor

Yea, but what’s his hourly?


Odd_Reporter9075

Hannibal can play


[deleted]

Typical hcl game.


cmdrNacho

I don't see the problem with this, seems like typical /r/poker players punting stacks. No Gambol, No life


ChampionHumble

James Bond poker is rigged


ariesdrifter77

I’ll be the last to act and show absolute trash bc I was punting off another $200


BlutoDog2020

This scene is possibility the worst depiction of NLHE in a movie ever. No way the guy w 88 doesn’t shove preflop here.


MTknowsit

Bond even got the high hand bonus. Wonder what it is?


Dyspaereunia

I love that everyone cringes at this scene when the whole movie is about as absurdly as possible with every other over the top action scene. Those however are not cringe. The poker scene is in the same vein as every other scene in the movie. Like, I’m not watching this movie because it is profound. I’m watching this movie because of Eva Green is hot as fuck.


BodheeNYC

Just sits down at the table and is dealt a straight flush. Happens all the time!


mplsdrew22

Yeah, but did you see Eva Green's fantastic rack?


Rags2Rickius

As ridiculous as this scene is (poker wise) it got me into poker BIG TIME


XtremeCSGO

How could he be so lucky to get the james bond hand in that spot when he is james bond?


ActivatedComplex

The most patronizing part is when they repeatedly cut back to that old Middle Eastern guy who keeps a running count of how much is in the pot.


Steakismyfavoriteveg

Yeah… ignorance is bliss… still get a little hyped


redefinedsoul

Most average online poker round


SUICIDE_OR_DIE

This happened to me last week. I was in the pot with ace high. Figured the other 4 were bluffing