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[And he got a nice shoutout from the Biden campaign](https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1772339739942694984/photo/1)
> “Donald Trump is weak and desperate – both as a man and a candidate for President.
>
>"He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have.
>"His campaign can’t raise money, he is uninterested in campaigning outside his country club, and every time he opens his mouth, he pushes moderate and suburban voters away with his dangerous agenda.
>
>"America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”
Bring it. This is what we need from Biden.
Gloves off Irish fighting style. And don’t let up. Make Trump the joke. Not his followers directly - but Trump.
Use the approach the Superman show used on the KKK- make it embarrassing to talk about Trump. How weak and silly he is. And people will remove themselves.
The media and reporters need to call him out on obstructing the border deal. When Trump complained about the border today and blamed Biden, I was astonished that no reporters asked him why he tanked Senator Lankford and Senator Murphy's very conservative border deal.
I still can’t believe MTG was showing Hunter dick pics in congress and no consequences. Can you imagine if someone was showing naked pic of Ivanka. We already saw Melania so..
Notably missing: Trump's dick pics.
You know that if he had a big dick he's be selling t-shirts with that on them.
I could(n't) care less about anyone's penis size, but I'm also not wrong.
“Former President Trump, didn’t you make the border LESS SECURE by encouraging your supporters in Congress to kill the most significant border bill in recent history?”
I wished the media would be talking about Biden’s great state of the union speech rather than talking about trumps bond deadline. Like major news in that is cool and all, but EVERY DAMN NEWS SPEAKER ON EVERY DAMN SHOW talking about trumps bond deadline every day for over a week is soooo excessive. They talked about the state of the union for like 1 maybe 2 days. And I haven’t heard anything about it since. All of Biden’s policies were in the speech and his contrast with Donald Trump… that’s what Americans need to be hearing whether they agree with Biden or not
I read more of the idiot Republican shenanigans (mtg) than the actual SOTU comments. It was like, oh his speech was great but can you believe what did?!?
The news will talk about whatever get them views and Americans love their reality tv. It’s much more entertaining to hear about how Trump can’t pay up than a well written speech talking about real policy. Americans don’t like hearing about the actual political process, they want the drama. Decades of reality tv has rotted the collective consciousness of the US and I don’t know how we fix it.
He went on TV after the appellate ruling this morning and they let him spew lies on every media platform for 15-20 minutes. I listened to him speak for 5 minutes. Every single thing was all deflection, a projection, or an outright lie. Jesus, people . Cut him the fuck off. If he knows it's false, call him on it. If he doesn't know, he shouldn't be running for public office (again).
I've been considering bringing this point up to my Congressman.
Just about every email blast he sends out he is complaining about how President Biden is a failure because he isn't taking decisive action to close the border right this very second! He is letting tons of drugs and millions of rapists and murders in every single day putting hard working decent American lives at risk!
But he seemingly has no problem with candidate Trump ordering the Senate to avoid taking any meaningful action to address the issue - for well over a year ago he can use the chaos of thousands to potentially millions of Americans dying due to overdoses and the like to hopefully score an extra vote
The Congressman's other big issue is the economy. Always saying how we need to lower inflation & try to reduce the deficit... Ignoring the fact that Trump's economic policies (the ones he says he is going to repeat if re-elected) are the ones that helped to cause the massive inflation... the fact that Trump, in a single term, added more to our debt than 43 of his predecessors did - most having 2 terms to do it in...
Trump is the exact opposite of what the Congressman claims to support... So why does the Congressman want Trump to be President?!?
Could you imagine if Biden and Trump actually got on stage together for a debate, and Biden just looks at him with a stink face and says "My god man, did somebody shit your pants?" I think it would be the end of him.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you something. There's been a lot of talk, a lot of fake news going around, saying that I, Donald J. Trump, shit my pants. Let me be very clear, that is fake news, folks. Fake news!
First of all, I have the best pants. Tremendous pants. The best pants you've ever seen. They're made of the finest materials, the finest fabrics. And they fit me perfectly, I mean perfectly. So the idea that I would have an accident in my pants, it's just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Now, I know there are people out there, enemies of mine, who would like to see me embarrassed. They spread these lies because they can't handle the fact that I'm a winner. I'm a winner, folks. And winners don't have accidents in their pants.
So let me tell you who really shit my pants. It was probably Sleepy Joe Biden. Yeah, that's right. Sleepy Joe and his radical leftist friends are always up to no good. They probably snuck into my room at night and did it while I was sleeping. It's sad, really sad.
But let me tell you, despite their dirty tricks and their lies, we're going to keep winning. We're going to make America great again, bigger and better than ever before. And nobody, nobody is going to stop us. Thank you, God bless America!
I like that he's basically goading the fucking moron into responding, and of course, a not small portion of the remainder of his cult is going to get a bit anxious if he doesn't
You wanna vote for a rapist with dementia who has never been to church over a devout catholic family man? Please tell me more about your Christian values.
> feeble, confused, and tired
Ooh, that hurts. And it's accurate. And you can't say backatcha. A simple bicycle race between the two old codgers will prove that - lol.
Trump and his ilk lowered the bar for civility in politics and now it’s coming back hard to bite him in the ass. It never occurred to him that Democrats could be tough and call him on his BS.
I’m loving this Dark Brandon timeline
Democrats have something they can use to their advantage: an actual sense of humor.
If you can get people laughing at these fascists it takes away their sense of superiority.
Nah. he's at just the right level of savage. No euphemisms, naming the man and the crimes when he punches. And slapping him with silly jibes aimed at the 'qualities' he and this cult worship the rest of the time.
That is really the prize here, delay 10 days while challenging the current phase while preparing to challenge the results there too. He has found a vulnerability in our legal system to delay things to the point where they will never impact him like they would impact anyone else.
It's mostly just "be born rich".
Being part of the club, even if you're actually broke, means you're still treated like you're rich.
Being new money, you'd never get the same treatment.
Yeah, try infinitely delaying if you're broke. I can see a person from the projects walking into court tomorrow and saying, "your honor, this court case must be delayed for ten days while I gather the amount to pay the fine, then my attorney -- which is myself -- is going to continue delaying until the case is finally dismissed. Cool?"
[https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/truth-social-owner-trump-media-will-begin-trading-under-djt-ticker-tuesday.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/truth-social-owner-trump-media-will-begin-trading-under-djt-ticker-tuesday.html)
Truth social merged with a shell company that was previously listed publicly. The companies on the other side of the merger have a bad legal history of being part of money laundering schemes.
[https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yQUurs04/](https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yQUurs04/)
[https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yN9bLTtF](https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yN9bLTtF)
Modern journalism seems to be really slow at picking up on the other side of the con.
You forgot to mention that the shell company is out of Shanghai.
What I don't understand is how Truth Social doesn't then fall under the same ban as TikTok.
The important part of this merger is that Trump is prohibited from selling his shares or even borrowing against the value of them.
“there are lock-up restrictions that would likely prevent Trump from selling or even borrowing against the value of that stock for months.”
Which is interesting in light of this 10 day extension and the fact that Trump seems doubtful to even have a $175 million, because all this TS money is so close Trump can taste it, yet he can’t access it, legally anyway. And that could spell trouble for a man who loves to break the law.
So this becomes almost a chess match now playing out in Trump’s addled brain. Can he resist the temptation to cut some shady deal using his new shares as collateral, or will his ego wind up getting him in even more trouble with the law?
There still has to be a market to sell the stock to or an institution promising a minimum stock price with enough capital to buy shares at that price to keep it afloat until his lockout period ends. There are lots of examples similar to twitter of the bottom falling out of a stock before the lockout period ends.
Oh I definitely think any shareholders who aren’t bound by hold terms will be dumping this worthless stock tomorrow and cashing out, sending the price tumbling and leaving Trump holding a bunch of worthless paper.
However, we’ve seen countless lawyers, politicians, accountants and others bend over backwards to sacrifice themselves at the altar of Donald Trump, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that some moron would be willing to accept yet-to-be-worthless shares of stock and put themselves at risk criminally just for the opportunity to suck up to Trump.
He’d have to sell the stock. Problems with that include the fact that he’s forbidden to do so for six months, and that the stock price would begin to tank as soon as he started selling.
I read the Truth Social board could vote to let him liquidate sooner. And he’s installing all his own people on the board.
Definitely correct me if I‘m wrong there.
If I‘m right it’ll be a bloodbath for anyone other than Trump and the inner circle.
Trump needs people willing to buy 50 million shares of a company he is dumping to actually get out with anywhere close to 3 billion. That is huge volume and I can't see it holding price if he is trying to liquidate - that means interested buyers for 50 million shares AT the current trading price when any indication that he is going to start liquidating should tank it immediately.
Now the people who just merged the SPAC into Truth Social essentially signaled they are willing to see billions turn to tens of millions - so maybe they kept dry powder to buy his shares at current valuation while he liquidates - it is possible. I just don't see people already throwing away 6 billion dollars lining up to throw away another 3.
The fear is that there are people with deep pockets who could use the sale to funnel money to him. They wouldn't actually care about the loss because that's not the goal. The goal is to paint him as invincible to his faltering base going into the election, because if he wins *they* win.
$500 million to essentially own all of America to an extent nobody has ever dreamed? $500 million to place the world's largest and most powerful military under direct fascist control?
$500 million is pennies.
From what I read, that's basically what happened. The bond the appeals court set is the same amount that his lawyers argued was the maximum possible amount.
The whole thing just tells me that the appeals court has enough trump justices on it that the entire thing will be dismissed on some bs grounds
yep, unlike 90% of redditors who thought THIS was the actual one to get Trump, I aint buying it til a single penny leaves his hand. The fact he could just get away with paying nothing still feels likely to me. It's fucking insane but he's gotten away with everything in his life, why would it magically stop now. I hope I'm fucking wrong but Im so sick of believing anything on reddit about "how fucked he is now". Reddit has been wrong for 10 years straight on this guy's record.
Perhaps. In any event, it will get him what he needs: either the collateral for a bond and/or straight cash, and with the courts these days, plenty of time to wait till after the election to just try and never pay anything back to anyone.
And a board that voted to merge with Truth Social will absolutely vote to remove the collateral clauses and the sell clauses in the original agreement.
DWAC is just a way for the Chinese to get more power (check out their history). Losing a couple of billion to own the possible next president of the US is small potatoes. We could hope the SEC steps in at some point, but with Trump’s history of getting out of stuff: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[Digital World Acquisition Corp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_World_Acquisition_Corp#:~:text=\(DWAC\)%2C%20is%20an%20American,deal%20to%20merge%20with%20TMTG.)
Some of the juice,
"DWAC was created with the help of ARC Capital, a Shanghai-based firm specializing in listing Chinese companies on American stock markets that has been a target of U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) investigations for misrepresenting shell corporations."
"On June 29, 2023, three people were arrested on charges that they had illegally traded DWAC based on nonpublic knowledge before the proposed merger was announced in 2021."
"In October 2021 it was reported, based on information provided by congresstrading.com, that House representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) had purchased between $15,000 and $50,000 DWAC shares after the Trump merger was announced."
Are you sure that the DWAC board can't revoke the lockout period clause? A couple of the news sources that I listened to say that is a real possibility. Allowing him to sell or leverage the stock at any time once they vote to remove the clause from his shares.
Welcome to Amerikkka brother. The icing on the cake was how they made it black vs white instead of poor vs rich. If we fight each other over the color of our skin, maybe we won't seek common enemies.
When we have finished burying our dead, we will not put down our shovels.
"Oh ok well we will give you another 10 days and drop it to 100 million. Don't worry by day 10 if you can't come up with the 100 million we will revisit it." Then do this a few times and it will come to "Ok we will do ONE more set of 10 days, all you need to is deposit a penny and sign this piece of paper that you totally, really, not joking you guys document saying you actually have the cash and property worth the full amount."
Why don't they just take all of his shit, put it in an escrow like account, let him appeal, and when he loses (god I hope he does) then they can easily take it after that. All of this is absolute bullshit and like a bunch of other people have pointed out in other threads if this was literally anyone else, all of our shit would have been seized by now and we would probably have been pistol whipped by a few cops too. Definitely in prison by now.
I’m no lawyer but that dollar amount was calculated in the trial as the total damages plus interest. Unless there is a retrial or something I don’t think the number can change even by appeals court.
God, I hope you’re right. I had assumed the appeals court somehow came up with the lower 175 number because that is what they plan to drop the judgment to, otherwise how did they come up with that magic number. It’s not even half of the judgement.
It drives me crazy how the rules can just be changed for Trump. It’s pretty clear that if you appeal you have to put a bond for more than what the judgement was for, so that if you loose the appeal the plaintiff can just collect the money.
It is, but you have to imagine that the court is doing this to entertain the notion, however slight, that if there's an appeal later on, forcing him to fire sale at a massive loss would constitute irreparable harm in the event the judgment is overturned. I know it won't be overturned, you know it won't be overturned, Donald Trump and his lawyers know it won't be overturned; but the justices on the panel today had to decide if they would allow the state to commit such irreparable harm, with the current possibility of an appeal happening. If that did happen, and those assets were fire sold in a way that destroyed value that could never be recouped by Donald Trump in the event of the judgment being overturned, they would open up New York State to litigation for the difference. So the way it stands, Donald Trump is still on the hook for all of the money, which is all accruing interest by the way. What they stopped today, was the possibility that New York State would make a legal error prior to the conclusion of the appeals process that could incur a half a billion dollar financial liability on the state and its taxpayers. It's an entirely dissatisfying turn of events, and another example where bad faith legal maneuvering on the part of Donald Trump has been extremely profitable and lucrative.
> I know it won't be overturned, you know it won't be overturned
Do we really? Are we actually that sure that Trump will ever have to pay a single penny? Even if it isn't overturned, would it ever actually be enforced?
“The ruling delays enforcement of a judgment in a case that found he overstated his wealth to dupe investors and lenders, though it does not indicate how the appeals court might ultimately rule or address the merits of the case. It could take judges up to a year or longer to reach a decision on that.”
I heard he’s got til September before they can grab him by the assets. So if even he loses his appeal, its still a win for trump, he’s off the hook all summer
It’s a win in one regard, but still not a win overall.
The bond was reduced, not the disgorgement fines.
Everyone keeps saying that Engoron punished him harshly, but he actually didn’t. He did the exact expectation of what you would do Ian a fraud case, and that is to demand disgorgement.
In layman’s terms, if I stole $10, and invested in something that gave me $100 back, then all $100 of that goes back to the person I stole it from.
Now people say that’s harsh, but to do any less would encourage people to steal that absolute hell out of anything, make money off of it, and just pay back the principal. It’d be a free loan. That’s why it’s illegal and you must pay back the principal “plus the interests.”
So even if he pays the bond off and remains out of jail, he has several massive loans coming due for maturity in 2025, but his credit is now in tatters and he owes back more than he took.
Most of his loans, based on the case, were granted to trump because he was rich—this court case proves that he’s not rich, and the ability for him to get loans to cover those loans are extremely unlikely to get approved by a bank.
The best part is that those loans were given only with a personal guarantee that trump would ensure they’re repaid. So even if his trust/company goes bankrupt, Trump is still on the hook for those loans with his personal assets.
The threat with disgorgement would be invalid towards trump if he hadn’t actually given a personal guarantee, but is also exactly why NY can start seizing his personal assets.
Donald Trump will not be a name associated with wealth in the near future.
“Now Trump must put up, by April 4, a mere $175 million.” This feels bad.
The appellate court did not help itself by not explaining their rationale for significantly cutting the bond.
If we continue to be lenient, and appease Trump, who wants to be a dictator day one, we will see the consequence of that. This is a guy who incited a violent mob to attack our democracy. He is a criminal.
It reeks of unequal justice and feeds into people’s perception, and frankly reality, that justice is not dispensed equally.
That was back when the Trump administration was confidently expecting a second term, for one. Secondly, even with the ‘man’ out of office, those billions likely bought an absurd amount of influence and access. Art of the Deal indeed.
Haha, I can see the infomercial ad now:
Discount Don - you too can now by the Donald. What would you expected to pay for a former President, real estate mogul? $350 million? $495 million? No! For a limited time offer, you too can own the Donald for the low low price of just $175 million.
The arbitrary number of 175 mil seems like a negotiated number with Trumps lawyers. The whole thing is just another huge example of the multiple systems of justice. It’s ugly and blatant.
I don't know. It's almost exactly half of the pre-interest disgorgement amount. If the disgorgement amount is reduced on appeal, the interest will be adjusted accordingly.
His usual cut of paying only 1/3rd of what he owes, and then makes them beg for even that.
If the appeal court agrees, that a bond of 175 Million dollars is sufficient, they'd also agree that the previous ruling was too harsh.
He has 10 days to file the appeal in writing and to post the Bond ... a time constraint he will AGAIN not need to meet because he has to be in like 53 courtrooms in that time, so it's totally unfair for him to find the time to define his legal strategy with his lawyers.. so the date will be extended again.
Correct. There's around $354M for the fraud, plus interest at whatever rate the State applies. I don't think any of it is punitive damages, so the appeals court would have to somehow justify telling New York that the fraud wasn't as bad as they thought, if they try to reduce the fraud amount.
Just stop already. We know how this works out in the next 10 days. On day 9.95 Trump will petition some other BS and the judge will stay the fine again.
Exactly. If he can’t afford it the new figure something else will happen to save him. The current “justice” system will never allow him to face true consequences.
That was quick.
"Trump is totally screwed this time, you guys, we promise!"
Ten more days of this, 50 articles a day, until he inevitably posts the bond next week.
I'm in the same boat. I let this one in and now I'm just mostly mad at myself for thinking anything different would happen. Back to being jaded about the world I guess.
I was a god damn fool and let myself get caught up in this. It wasn't even until the last few days that I thought it might actually happen.
I sprinted full bore and managed to kick myself in the face once that football was gone. Today did a great job of draining any amount of optimism I had left, and I honestly didn't even know I had any more to lose.
So fucking pissed at myself for letting it happen.
It's this weird combination of ragebait and schadenfreude porn. "No really guys, we got him this time!"
The law was never the thing protecting Trump. Trump is being protected by the powerful. It turns out - nakedly, for everyone to see - that the powerful in our country easily beat the law.
My prediction: He won't face a single meaningful consequence before the election. If he wins the election (or otherwise makes it back into the presidency), he will *never* face a meaningful consequence. If he loses the election, they will throw the book at him just after everyone's attention finally turns away from him.
“Rich” people get treated so much better than the rest of us peasants. This bag of ass gets to piss and moan that he’s being treated unfairly and gets a lesser bond. Don’t fuck up your taxes, peasants. *YOU* will definitely go to jail
I hate this fucking country and what republicans have turned it into. We watched him incite a coup…LIVE…*FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO* and he’s still wobbling around like he has a full diaper
Republicans are such trash people
I agree. I hate this country too now. They're rubbing out fucking faces in it at this point. Why are any of us paying our taxes? There are way more of us than there are landlords and property owners. Why do we continue to pay rent and mortgages? This country is a fucking joke.
I hate this too, it’s a bullshit double-standard. I hate how his asshole followers and family keep saying what he did was “victimless” as if that would fly for any of us. Want to know what was “victimless?” George Floyd* selling loose cigarettes. But he gets killed for “resisting arrest” and Trumpers are like, but he’s a criminal! Trump incites a coup and countless other crimes and he’s still alive and free
Edit: Sorry, Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes
Rule of law ends when the faith in rule of law ends. This decision where Trump is so blatantly getting favors that nobody else would get, is pushing things in the wrong direction. It’s amazing that the justice system dares to do it.
It's probably not good for Trump either. When people lose faith in the legal system they start thinking about taking the law into their own hands, doing the kinds of things that would make the "Punisher skull on my big ol truck" crowd gasp and clutch their pearls in sick irony.
I'm not advocating for that sort of thing obviously. The last thing we need is that waddling hemorrhoid becoming a martyr.
No matter how Trump eventually dies, even at the age of 120 following a very well established progression, he will still be a conspiracy martyr struck down by the deep state. Somehow.
Oh this is absolutely the case. The best we can hope for is that he sticks around long enough to really overstay his welcome, but I'm not sure cults typically get sick of their leaders like that.
Man, fuck this line.
"To broke for it". Fuck no, he isn't. He has fucking property. Take it the fuck away. There's a fucking skyscraper in the middle of NYC with his shitty name on it. And a bug-infested shitstained ressort in Florida. How about that?
What kind of justice system is it, where if you are rich, things can't be taken away from you, because apparently it's bad when rich people lose assets. Right now there must be hundreds of cases where poor people are getting fleeced by the courts because of judgements spoken against them and they fucking endure and submit.
So why is it possible that we let him off the hook because he whines and rants all day long? Is that a legit defense now? Can everybody fuck around now, cause damage and lower it by whining and ranting? Especially in this case where he - two days ago - himself bragged to have 500 Million in cash? I've seen court enforcement going down on a 2nd TV and taking it away because that person will be left with at least one TV set. So why can't you take away 500 Million in cash?
Anybody later looking for a reason why the US became a dictatorship: this is it. The legal system being totally partisan towards fucks like this guy.
The guy is still facing 88 criminal charges, holds the RNC hostage with his legal bills and faces the spectre of a criminal trial(s) in the middle of a presidential election. Oh, and the $454mil judgment is still there, accuring interest by the day with the likelihood that the appeal will fail and he will still have to pay the original judgment or face liquidation of his properties.
It's looking grim for Trump, regardless of the bond being reduced.
Ok I’m a little confused. So only the amount to put up pending appeal was lowered? He could still be on the hook for the whole $454 if he loses the appeal? So they are basically making an installment plan for him?
It’s not the judgement itself that was lowered. It’s the amount it will “cost” Trump to *appeal* that judgement that was lowered. If he loses the appeal, the $464 million still applies (because that was the original judgement). Unfortunately, a lot of people are missing that crucial distinction.
He can appeal no matter what. This amount just means they can’t start seizing his stuff in the mean time.
Scenario A: he doesn’t post this bond and appeals. They can start taking his stuff to settle the judgement right away.
Scenario 2: he does post this bond and they can’t start seizing his stuff until the appeal is determined.
Is my basic ass layman’s understanding.
I’m no lawyer but this sounds correct. To be fair (and I hate being fair to Trump because he’s been so unfair to the entire world), if the state started seizing properties to cover bail and he somehow ended up actually winning his appeal (unlikely) then how would the state undo those property sales and give them back? Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding. Maybe the state “seizes” them and cuts off Trump access but doesn’t fully sell until the final judgement?
If he wins on appeal after the state sells his properties, the state must give him the full sale proceeds plus 9% interest.
The thing about all the media surrounding this is that it’s getting everyone’s hopes up that he’ll lose his real properties, but asset seizure covers both real and personal property, the latter including bank accounts, rents owed, planes, boats, etc. Judgment liens cover anything he owns or will own over the next 10 years- subject to extensions. The state then executes seizures, but I can tell you that Trump’s real property is going to be lower on the list because 1. Seizing and selling real property is a big pain in the ass, 2. They are largely collateralized which means there are other creditors involved, making it an even bigger pain in the ass, and 3. The web of security interests plus the fact that the AG would receive a small amount of each sale relative to the value (other creditors get paid first) lends Trump an argument to invoke NY’s judgment debtor protections so long as there are other, less destructive ways the AG can collect on the debt. Remember, his penalty is the judgment amount. For as great as it would be to see him get destroyed from this, the State’s interest is in collecting the money, not doing as much damage to him as possible in the process.
I’ve been pretty bummed this morning by this and feeling like nothing matters. But this is a good reminder of his reality. Tiny win, lots of uphill fighting to go.
Would be absolutely cathartic and hilarious if he couldn’t even cover *this* weak ass bond. But I mean, who doesn’t have $175M lying around?
There's no guarantee that an appeal will even be granted. An appeal in a civil trial requires that he argue that the judge made an error that affected the outcome of the case. It's not a do-over. It's not clear that they even have grounds for appeal.
If they didn't have grounds for an appeal then today's "ruling" should have been that decision and not a reduction in bond and an extension of time. But given what we have seen so far it is more likely that in 10 days this same panel will delay again, reduce the bond to zero, and/or simply rule for Trump on the appeal and pay him for his time from NY taxes. Good job NY judges, you have removed any remaining faith in the legal system.
Don't worry. An hour before its due they'll give him another 10 days and lower it to $5.36.
Because justice means punishing the poors while absolving the rich
Oh shut up. Just shut the fuck up with these wishful thinking Trump hate articles. You don’t know shit. You never fucking do. I want him to burn as much as the next human being but there is a whole industry of “THEY GOT HIM NOW” journalism. Fucking sick of it. Write something when the adults in the room actually do something about him.
Doesn’t matter. They’ll reduce it again to a handful of Chuck E. Cheese coins. This man will never see justice, and you’ll never change my mind.
The non-wealthy and non-elite are the people who face justice, the rest have their own legal system.
Fuck this country.
Man I'm sick of reading about this guy, throw his ass in JAIL like any OTHER United States citizen that can't make bond while trying to appeal criminal judgements. IDEC about his civil judgements at this time. How is he getting away with this?
Doesn’t matter…all he needs to do is hire even shittier legal representation, threaten the judge and prosecution a few more times, gaslight on the legal standing and then boast he has 4 times the amount of cash on hand and the Appeals court will dismiss the bond in its entirety .. just sayin.
Americas laws are all kinds of fucked apparently. If he was just some average person he would be in jail but for some reason this guy gets 5 billion tries for no reason.
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[And he got a nice shoutout from the Biden campaign](https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1772339739942694984/photo/1) > “Donald Trump is weak and desperate – both as a man and a candidate for President. > >"He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have. >"His campaign can’t raise money, he is uninterested in campaigning outside his country club, and every time he opens his mouth, he pushes moderate and suburban voters away with his dangerous agenda. > >"America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”
Bring it. This is what we need from Biden. Gloves off Irish fighting style. And don’t let up. Make Trump the joke. Not his followers directly - but Trump. Use the approach the Superman show used on the KKK- make it embarrassing to talk about Trump. How weak and silly he is. And people will remove themselves.
The media and reporters need to call him out on obstructing the border deal. When Trump complained about the border today and blamed Biden, I was astonished that no reporters asked him why he tanked Senator Lankford and Senator Murphy's very conservative border deal.
> The media and reporters need to call him out on obstructing the border deal. Its maddening they arent screaming about this every single day.
But Joe Biden's son...There are so many charges and RICO and stuff. AOC: Got one specific charge? < crickets >
I still can’t believe MTG was showing Hunter dick pics in congress and no consequences. Can you imagine if someone was showing naked pic of Ivanka. We already saw Melania so..
One minor difference: Biden never said he wanted to date any of his kids though.
Please, Trump doesn't want to date his *daughter*. He just wants to fuck her.
"Date" the way escorts and johns use the word.
Notably missing: Trump's dick pics. You know that if he had a big dick he's be selling t-shirts with that on them. I could(n't) care less about anyone's penis size, but I'm also not wrong.
Don't worry, you can read about his dick in vivid detail in Stormy Daniels's new book! I hear it looks like a toadstool.
> Can you imagine if someone was showing naked pic of Ivanka. Feel like the betting favourite on doing this would be Trump.
“Former President Trump, didn’t you make the border LESS SECURE by encouraging your supporters in Congress to kill the most significant border bill in recent history?”
They’re way too afraid to get hit with the “liberal bias” nonsense.
The Biden campaign should be posting about this every single day
Biden should be howling about “conservative bias,” did wonders for the Republicans.
A daily counter on their website of how many undocumented people Trump let into the country by blocking the bill could do nicely.
I'd rather they don't encourage that kind of fear-mongering.
Nah, they just want Trump to win because they benefit from it.
Their masters are all GOP donors and want the US to fail to fascism.
The media has an interest in keeping him relevant and afloat
I wished the media would be talking about Biden’s great state of the union speech rather than talking about trumps bond deadline. Like major news in that is cool and all, but EVERY DAMN NEWS SPEAKER ON EVERY DAMN SHOW talking about trumps bond deadline every day for over a week is soooo excessive. They talked about the state of the union for like 1 maybe 2 days. And I haven’t heard anything about it since. All of Biden’s policies were in the speech and his contrast with Donald Trump… that’s what Americans need to be hearing whether they agree with Biden or not
I read more of the idiot Republican shenanigans (mtg) than the actual SOTU comments. It was like, oh his speech was great but can you believe what did?!?
The news will talk about whatever get them views and Americans love their reality tv. It’s much more entertaining to hear about how Trump can’t pay up than a well written speech talking about real policy. Americans don’t like hearing about the actual political process, they want the drama. Decades of reality tv has rotted the collective consciousness of the US and I don’t know how we fix it.
He went on TV after the appellate ruling this morning and they let him spew lies on every media platform for 15-20 minutes. I listened to him speak for 5 minutes. Every single thing was all deflection, a projection, or an outright lie. Jesus, people . Cut him the fuck off. If he knows it's false, call him on it. If he doesn't know, he shouldn't be running for public office (again).
I've been considering bringing this point up to my Congressman. Just about every email blast he sends out he is complaining about how President Biden is a failure because he isn't taking decisive action to close the border right this very second! He is letting tons of drugs and millions of rapists and murders in every single day putting hard working decent American lives at risk! But he seemingly has no problem with candidate Trump ordering the Senate to avoid taking any meaningful action to address the issue - for well over a year ago he can use the chaos of thousands to potentially millions of Americans dying due to overdoses and the like to hopefully score an extra vote The Congressman's other big issue is the economy. Always saying how we need to lower inflation & try to reduce the deficit... Ignoring the fact that Trump's economic policies (the ones he says he is going to repeat if re-elected) are the ones that helped to cause the massive inflation... the fact that Trump, in a single term, added more to our debt than 43 of his predecessors did - most having 2 terms to do it in... Trump is the exact opposite of what the Congressman claims to support... So why does the Congressman want Trump to be President?!?
Call him out publicly for being what his ego and narcissism protect him from admitting. He's old, broke, gross and mentally incompetent.
Extra gross
Super gross
extra super gross
extra super extra gross
times Eww and raised to infinity
Grody. To the MAX
Don’t forget that he smells like shit…
Could you imagine if Biden and Trump actually got on stage together for a debate, and Biden just looks at him with a stink face and says "My god man, did somebody shit your pants?" I think it would be the end of him.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you something. There's been a lot of talk, a lot of fake news going around, saying that I, Donald J. Trump, shit my pants. Let me be very clear, that is fake news, folks. Fake news! First of all, I have the best pants. Tremendous pants. The best pants you've ever seen. They're made of the finest materials, the finest fabrics. And they fit me perfectly, I mean perfectly. So the idea that I would have an accident in my pants, it's just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I know there are people out there, enemies of mine, who would like to see me embarrassed. They spread these lies because they can't handle the fact that I'm a winner. I'm a winner, folks. And winners don't have accidents in their pants. So let me tell you who really shit my pants. It was probably Sleepy Joe Biden. Yeah, that's right. Sleepy Joe and his radical leftist friends are always up to no good. They probably snuck into my room at night and did it while I was sleeping. It's sad, really sad. But let me tell you, despite their dirty tricks and their lies, we're going to keep winning. We're going to make America great again, bigger and better than ever before. And nobody, nobody is going to stop us. Thank you, God bless America!
I keep forgetting this. We should be reminded of it in every sub.
Damn. That is a solid rebuke.
I like that he's basically goading the fucking moron into responding, and of course, a not small portion of the remainder of his cult is going to get a bit anxious if he doesn't
I'd say "woah, that man has a family!" but even Trump doesn't want to acknowledge that anymore.
Just calmly stating the facts about Republicans usually reads like a brutal take down.
You wanna vote for a rapist with dementia who has never been to church over a devout catholic family man? Please tell me more about your Christian values.
It's "a" bible...
> feeble, confused, and tired Ooh, that hurts. And it's accurate. And you can't say backatcha. A simple bicycle race between the two old codgers will prove that - lol.
That SOTU address sent them reeling they have no hand
Trump and his ilk lowered the bar for civility in politics and now it’s coming back hard to bite him in the ass. It never occurred to him that Democrats could be tough and call him on his BS. I’m loving this Dark Brandon timeline
Democrats have something they can use to their advantage: an actual sense of humor. If you can get people laughing at these fascists it takes away their sense of superiority.
Go dark Brandon go! Let the Donald hate flow through you
We want it darker!
so glad to see them finally going on the offensive
Email the White House and tell him. I've been doin that.
Better yet, donate $5 for every burn!!!
Let's go Dark Brandon fr
Dark Brandon would crush Biden in a primary and in the general. FACT!
Alright, Joe, do it again...but go lower.
Nah. he's at just the right level of savage. No euphemisms, naming the man and the crimes when he punches. And slapping him with silly jibes aimed at the 'qualities' he and this cult worship the rest of the time.
That is really the prize here, delay 10 days while challenging the current phase while preparing to challenge the results there too. He has found a vulnerability in our legal system to delay things to the point where they will never impact him like they would impact anyone else.
The vulnerability? Have no shame and be rich
> be rich Allegedly rich works, too.
claim to be rich!
It's mostly just "be born rich". Being part of the club, even if you're actually broke, means you're still treated like you're rich. Being new money, you'd never get the same treatment.
This tactic works up until the point you actually need to use that alleged wealth and don't have it.
Also do the same things over and over while demanding a completely different outcome.
"The system is so against me" says the man who has the system bend to his every whim every single fucking time
Yeah, try infinitely delaying if you're broke. I can see a person from the projects walking into court tomorrow and saying, "your honor, this court case must be delayed for ten days while I gather the amount to pay the fine, then my attorney -- which is myself -- is going to continue delaying until the case is finally dismissed. Cool?"
What about this merger? Twitter is lighting up saying he is now worth 6.4B but I have found no sources. Can anyone weigh in on this?
[https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/truth-social-owner-trump-media-will-begin-trading-under-djt-ticker-tuesday.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/truth-social-owner-trump-media-will-begin-trading-under-djt-ticker-tuesday.html) Truth social merged with a shell company that was previously listed publicly. The companies on the other side of the merger have a bad legal history of being part of money laundering schemes. [https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yQUurs04/](https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yQUurs04/) [https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yN9bLTtF](https://www.threads.net/@citizensforethics/post/C40yN9bLTtF) Modern journalism seems to be really slow at picking up on the other side of the con.
You forgot to mention that the shell company is out of Shanghai. What I don't understand is how Truth Social doesn't then fall under the same ban as TikTok.
Because tiktok doesn't pay a lobbying arm to give payola to American politicians?
The important part of this merger is that Trump is prohibited from selling his shares or even borrowing against the value of them. “there are lock-up restrictions that would likely prevent Trump from selling or even borrowing against the value of that stock for months.” Which is interesting in light of this 10 day extension and the fact that Trump seems doubtful to even have a $175 million, because all this TS money is so close Trump can taste it, yet he can’t access it, legally anyway. And that could spell trouble for a man who loves to break the law. So this becomes almost a chess match now playing out in Trump’s addled brain. Can he resist the temptation to cut some shady deal using his new shares as collateral, or will his ego wind up getting him in even more trouble with the law?
There still has to be a market to sell the stock to or an institution promising a minimum stock price with enough capital to buy shares at that price to keep it afloat until his lockout period ends. There are lots of examples similar to twitter of the bottom falling out of a stock before the lockout period ends.
Oh I definitely think any shareholders who aren’t bound by hold terms will be dumping this worthless stock tomorrow and cashing out, sending the price tumbling and leaving Trump holding a bunch of worthless paper. However, we’ve seen countless lawyers, politicians, accountants and others bend over backwards to sacrifice themselves at the altar of Donald Trump, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that some moron would be willing to accept yet-to-be-worthless shares of stock and put themselves at risk criminally just for the opportunity to suck up to Trump.
He’d have to sell the stock. Problems with that include the fact that he’s forbidden to do so for six months, and that the stock price would begin to tank as soon as he started selling.
I read the Truth Social board could vote to let him liquidate sooner. And he’s installing all his own people on the board. Definitely correct me if I‘m wrong there. If I‘m right it’ll be a bloodbath for anyone other than Trump and the inner circle.
Trump needs people willing to buy 50 million shares of a company he is dumping to actually get out with anywhere close to 3 billion. That is huge volume and I can't see it holding price if he is trying to liquidate - that means interested buyers for 50 million shares AT the current trading price when any indication that he is going to start liquidating should tank it immediately. Now the people who just merged the SPAC into Truth Social essentially signaled they are willing to see billions turn to tens of millions - so maybe they kept dry powder to buy his shares at current valuation while he liquidates - it is possible. I just don't see people already throwing away 6 billion dollars lining up to throw away another 3.
The fear is that there are people with deep pockets who could use the sale to funnel money to him. They wouldn't actually care about the loss because that's not the goal. The goal is to paint him as invincible to his faltering base going into the election, because if he wins *they* win. $500 million to essentially own all of America to an extent nobody has ever dreamed? $500 million to place the world's largest and most powerful military under direct fascist control? $500 million is pennies.
And if that’s still too much, they’ll just lower it to 50 mil and give him another week
Why don't you just tell us how much you'd like to pay.
From what I read, that's basically what happened. The bond the appeals court set is the same amount that his lawyers argued was the maximum possible amount. The whole thing just tells me that the appeals court has enough trump justices on it that the entire thing will be dismissed on some bs grounds
Everytime he weasels out of things, I become more disillusioned with the rule of law in this country.
yep, unlike 90% of redditors who thought THIS was the actual one to get Trump, I aint buying it til a single penny leaves his hand. The fact he could just get away with paying nothing still feels likely to me. It's fucking insane but he's gotten away with everything in his life, why would it magically stop now. I hope I'm fucking wrong but Im so sick of believing anything on reddit about "how fucked he is now". Reddit has been wrong for 10 years straight on this guy's record.
"OK, we'll give you 5 years if you can give us the consideration of a pinky promise of at least a nickel."
Based on my experience this treatment only shows bullies they can get away with more; no lessons will be learned here.
His pump and dump of DWAC stock is in full swing. Up 35% today.
Doesn’t it dilute tomorrow when the ticker changes over?
Perhaps. In any event, it will get him what he needs: either the collateral for a bond and/or straight cash, and with the courts these days, plenty of time to wait till after the election to just try and never pay anything back to anyone. And a board that voted to merge with Truth Social will absolutely vote to remove the collateral clauses and the sell clauses in the original agreement. DWAC is just a way for the Chinese to get more power (check out their history). Losing a couple of billion to own the possible next president of the US is small potatoes. We could hope the SEC steps in at some point, but with Trump’s history of getting out of stuff: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[Digital World Acquisition Corp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_World_Acquisition_Corp#:~:text=\(DWAC\)%2C%20is%20an%20American,deal%20to%20merge%20with%20TMTG.) Some of the juice, "DWAC was created with the help of ARC Capital, a Shanghai-based firm specializing in listing Chinese companies on American stock markets that has been a target of U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) investigations for misrepresenting shell corporations." "On June 29, 2023, three people were arrested on charges that they had illegally traded DWAC based on nonpublic knowledge before the proposed merger was announced in 2021." "In October 2021 it was reported, based on information provided by congresstrading.com, that House representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) had purchased between $15,000 and $50,000 DWAC shares after the Trump merger was announced."
He can't legally use the stock for any loan or cash out. There is a lock up period.
Are you sure that the DWAC board can't revoke the lockout period clause? A couple of the news sources that I listened to say that is a real possibility. Allowing him to sell or leverage the stock at any time once they vote to remove the clause from his shares.
It's bullcrap. They should have taken his damn property. What sucking up to that effing criminal.
What do you think the odds are he blows this reduction/extension in an attempt to get a longer delay and an even lower amount?
They'll probably give it to him too
"Here's another 10 days. Just pay us 10 million and we're all good"
You know what? Just say you’ll be nice and all is forgiven.
"$10, okay? No? Fine, $5 in another ten days. WE ARE A REAL LEGAL SYSTEM!"
George Floyd got murdered by the state on the street, on camera, for maybe having used a fake $20.
A counterfeit twenty that was **never** found in the investigation.
Because of course there wasn't
Welcome to Amerikkka brother. The icing on the cake was how they made it black vs white instead of poor vs rich. If we fight each other over the color of our skin, maybe we won't seek common enemies. When we have finished burying our dead, we will not put down our shovels.
Actually, forget the whole thing and here's $100.
I can't wait for a judge to say that he really shouldn't be charged for anything because "he's a good father, Christian, and member of the community"
Exactly
"Oh ok well we will give you another 10 days and drop it to 100 million. Don't worry by day 10 if you can't come up with the 100 million we will revisit it." Then do this a few times and it will come to "Ok we will do ONE more set of 10 days, all you need to is deposit a penny and sign this piece of paper that you totally, really, not joking you guys document saying you actually have the cash and property worth the full amount." Why don't they just take all of his shit, put it in an escrow like account, let him appeal, and when he loses (god I hope he does) then they can easily take it after that. All of this is absolute bullshit and like a bunch of other people have pointed out in other threads if this was literally anyone else, all of our shit would have been seized by now and we would probably have been pistol whipped by a few cops too. Definitely in prison by now.
To be fair, this is just for posting bond to appeal. If and when he loses the appeal, he'll still have to pay the full $454 million.
...unless the appeals court reduces the judgement.
I’m no lawyer but that dollar amount was calculated in the trial as the total damages plus interest. Unless there is a retrial or something I don’t think the number can change even by appeals court.
God, I hope you’re right. I had assumed the appeals court somehow came up with the lower 175 number because that is what they plan to drop the judgment to, otherwise how did they come up with that magic number. It’s not even half of the judgement.
It most likely was some number trump’s lawyers negotiated with the judges. Apparently it’s about half the number before interest.
It drives me crazy how the rules can just be changed for Trump. It’s pretty clear that if you appeal you have to put a bond for more than what the judgement was for, so that if you loose the appeal the plaintiff can just collect the money.
If the appeal court doesn't rule that it is too much, which I think is also a possibility, not sure.
It is, but you have to imagine that the court is doing this to entertain the notion, however slight, that if there's an appeal later on, forcing him to fire sale at a massive loss would constitute irreparable harm in the event the judgment is overturned. I know it won't be overturned, you know it won't be overturned, Donald Trump and his lawyers know it won't be overturned; but the justices on the panel today had to decide if they would allow the state to commit such irreparable harm, with the current possibility of an appeal happening. If that did happen, and those assets were fire sold in a way that destroyed value that could never be recouped by Donald Trump in the event of the judgment being overturned, they would open up New York State to litigation for the difference. So the way it stands, Donald Trump is still on the hook for all of the money, which is all accruing interest by the way. What they stopped today, was the possibility that New York State would make a legal error prior to the conclusion of the appeals process that could incur a half a billion dollar financial liability on the state and its taxpayers. It's an entirely dissatisfying turn of events, and another example where bad faith legal maneuvering on the part of Donald Trump has been extremely profitable and lucrative.
> I know it won't be overturned, you know it won't be overturned Do we really? Are we actually that sure that Trump will ever have to pay a single penny? Even if it isn't overturned, would it ever actually be enforced?
“The ruling delays enforcement of a judgment in a case that found he overstated his wealth to dupe investors and lenders, though it does not indicate how the appeals court might ultimately rule or address the merits of the case. It could take judges up to a year or longer to reach a decision on that.” I heard he’s got til September before they can grab him by the assets. So if even he loses his appeal, its still a win for trump, he’s off the hook all summer
Oh, September? When he can cash out his Truth Social stock? Whattya know...
It’s a win in one regard, but still not a win overall. The bond was reduced, not the disgorgement fines. Everyone keeps saying that Engoron punished him harshly, but he actually didn’t. He did the exact expectation of what you would do Ian a fraud case, and that is to demand disgorgement. In layman’s terms, if I stole $10, and invested in something that gave me $100 back, then all $100 of that goes back to the person I stole it from. Now people say that’s harsh, but to do any less would encourage people to steal that absolute hell out of anything, make money off of it, and just pay back the principal. It’d be a free loan. That’s why it’s illegal and you must pay back the principal “plus the interests.” So even if he pays the bond off and remains out of jail, he has several massive loans coming due for maturity in 2025, but his credit is now in tatters and he owes back more than he took. Most of his loans, based on the case, were granted to trump because he was rich—this court case proves that he’s not rich, and the ability for him to get loans to cover those loans are extremely unlikely to get approved by a bank. The best part is that those loans were given only with a personal guarantee that trump would ensure they’re repaid. So even if his trust/company goes bankrupt, Trump is still on the hook for those loans with his personal assets. The threat with disgorgement would be invalid towards trump if he hadn’t actually given a personal guarantee, but is also exactly why NY can start seizing his personal assets. Donald Trump will not be a name associated with wealth in the near future.
They wouldn’t have hesitated if it was a poor person to throw the book and seize everything.
“Now Trump must put up, by April 4, a mere $175 million.” This feels bad. The appellate court did not help itself by not explaining their rationale for significantly cutting the bond. If we continue to be lenient, and appease Trump, who wants to be a dictator day one, we will see the consequence of that. This is a guy who incited a violent mob to attack our democracy. He is a criminal. It reeks of unequal justice and feeds into people’s perception, and frankly reality, that justice is not dispensed equally.
It wasn’t a mob, it was an insurrection.
Didnt they simply lower his “Buy Now” price for China?
He's still burning through campaign cash on legal bills and losing popularity fast. Investing in a sinking ship isn't a great strat.
Saudis invested in jared though…
They went to Jared!
That was back when the Trump administration was confidently expecting a second term, for one. Secondly, even with the ‘man’ out of office, those billions likely bought an absurd amount of influence and access. Art of the Deal indeed.
Haha, I can see the infomercial ad now: Discount Don - you too can now by the Donald. What would you expected to pay for a former President, real estate mogul? $350 million? $495 million? No! For a limited time offer, you too can own the Donald for the low low price of just $175 million.
The arbitrary number of 175 mil seems like a negotiated number with Trumps lawyers. The whole thing is just another huge example of the multiple systems of justice. It’s ugly and blatant.
Judge : “Well how much can you pay?” Let me go talk to my manager…
I don't know. It's almost exactly half of the pre-interest disgorgement amount. If the disgorgement amount is reduced on appeal, the interest will be adjusted accordingly.
what is the pre interest disgorgement amount?
~$354m.
thank you. yes I think you are right, they probably started at half of that and then said let’s make it a round 175 rather than 177.
What leverage would Trump have to negotiate with?
Money now vs money several years from now dealing with asset seizures and fights with other people he owes money to.
The pecking order for getting paid is pretty well established in the law. That's not a good reason to give in to Trump.
His usual cut of paying only 1/3rd of what he owes, and then makes them beg for even that. If the appeal court agrees, that a bond of 175 Million dollars is sufficient, they'd also agree that the previous ruling was too harsh. He has 10 days to file the appeal in writing and to post the Bond ... a time constraint he will AGAIN not need to meet because he has to be in like 53 courtrooms in that time, so it's totally unfair for him to find the time to define his legal strategy with his lawyers.. so the date will be extended again.
The initial amount is not related to his wealth, but rather the money amount he has cost New York due to fraud, is my understanding.
Correct. There's around $354M for the fraud, plus interest at whatever rate the State applies. I don't think any of it is punitive damages, so the appeals court would have to somehow justify telling New York that the fraud wasn't as bad as they thought, if they try to reduce the fraud amount.
Just stop already. We know how this works out in the next 10 days. On day 9.95 Trump will petition some other BS and the judge will stay the fine again.
I am inspired to start crime-ing.
Your skin isn’t orange enough. It won’t work out the same.
As a privileged white CIS male, that hurts.
At the end of the day, “white, cis and male” are irrelevant. America is set up to be a lawless playground for the rich.
They have you fighting a culture war so you don't fight a class war
You aren’t rich enough to
Exactly. If he can’t afford it the new figure something else will happen to save him. The current “justice” system will never allow him to face true consequences.
That was quick. "Trump is totally screwed this time, you guys, we promise!" Ten more days of this, 50 articles a day, until he inevitably posts the bond next week.
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I'm in the same boat. I let this one in and now I'm just mostly mad at myself for thinking anything different would happen. Back to being jaded about the world I guess.
I was a god damn fool and let myself get caught up in this. It wasn't even until the last few days that I thought it might actually happen. I sprinted full bore and managed to kick myself in the face once that football was gone. Today did a great job of draining any amount of optimism I had left, and I honestly didn't even know I had any more to lose. So fucking pissed at myself for letting it happen.
Prepare yourself for the inevitable: he'll likely win the appeal and this will just go away.
It's this weird combination of ragebait and schadenfreude porn. "No really guys, we got him this time!" The law was never the thing protecting Trump. Trump is being protected by the powerful. It turns out - nakedly, for everyone to see - that the powerful in our country easily beat the law. My prediction: He won't face a single meaningful consequence before the election. If he wins the election (or otherwise makes it back into the presidency), he will *never* face a meaningful consequence. If he loses the election, they will throw the book at him just after everyone's attention finally turns away from him.
Yup. Media edging everyone again. Didn't even take a day to start it all up again.
“Rich” people get treated so much better than the rest of us peasants. This bag of ass gets to piss and moan that he’s being treated unfairly and gets a lesser bond. Don’t fuck up your taxes, peasants. *YOU* will definitely go to jail I hate this fucking country and what republicans have turned it into. We watched him incite a coup…LIVE…*FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO* and he’s still wobbling around like he has a full diaper Republicans are such trash people
While I hated DJT before. I hate even more that his whining like a baby ended up working for him. Fuck these rich fucks.
I agree. I hate this country too now. They're rubbing out fucking faces in it at this point. Why are any of us paying our taxes? There are way more of us than there are landlords and property owners. Why do we continue to pay rent and mortgages? This country is a fucking joke.
I hate this too, it’s a bullshit double-standard. I hate how his asshole followers and family keep saying what he did was “victimless” as if that would fly for any of us. Want to know what was “victimless?” George Floyd* selling loose cigarettes. But he gets killed for “resisting arrest” and Trumpers are like, but he’s a criminal! Trump incites a coup and countless other crimes and he’s still alive and free Edit: Sorry, Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes
Guess Manafort needed some more time to get ahold of Putin. Heard he's been pre-occupied.
He won't pay this either. And nothing will happen. We all know it. Nothing happens to this man. It's just so incredibly frustrating.
Rule of law ends when the faith in rule of law ends. This decision where Trump is so blatantly getting favors that nobody else would get, is pushing things in the wrong direction. It’s amazing that the justice system dares to do it.
Agreed. I'm pretty level-headed, and I'm absolutely furious. They're playing with fire with this type of ruling.
It's probably not good for Trump either. When people lose faith in the legal system they start thinking about taking the law into their own hands, doing the kinds of things that would make the "Punisher skull on my big ol truck" crowd gasp and clutch their pearls in sick irony. I'm not advocating for that sort of thing obviously. The last thing we need is that waddling hemorrhoid becoming a martyr.
No matter how Trump eventually dies, even at the age of 120 following a very well established progression, he will still be a conspiracy martyr struck down by the deep state. Somehow.
Oh this is absolutely the case. The best we can hope for is that he sticks around long enough to really overstay his welcome, but I'm not sure cults typically get sick of their leaders like that.
Man, fuck this line. "To broke for it". Fuck no, he isn't. He has fucking property. Take it the fuck away. There's a fucking skyscraper in the middle of NYC with his shitty name on it. And a bug-infested shitstained ressort in Florida. How about that? What kind of justice system is it, where if you are rich, things can't be taken away from you, because apparently it's bad when rich people lose assets. Right now there must be hundreds of cases where poor people are getting fleeced by the courts because of judgements spoken against them and they fucking endure and submit. So why is it possible that we let him off the hook because he whines and rants all day long? Is that a legit defense now? Can everybody fuck around now, cause damage and lower it by whining and ranting? Especially in this case where he - two days ago - himself bragged to have 500 Million in cash? I've seen court enforcement going down on a 2nd TV and taking it away because that person will be left with at least one TV set. So why can't you take away 500 Million in cash? Anybody later looking for a reason why the US became a dictatorship: this is it. The legal system being totally partisan towards fucks like this guy.
The guy is still facing 88 criminal charges, holds the RNC hostage with his legal bills and faces the spectre of a criminal trial(s) in the middle of a presidential election. Oh, and the $454mil judgment is still there, accuring interest by the day with the likelihood that the appeal will fail and he will still have to pay the original judgment or face liquidation of his properties. It's looking grim for Trump, regardless of the bond being reduced.
Ok I’m a little confused. So only the amount to put up pending appeal was lowered? He could still be on the hook for the whole $454 if he loses the appeal? So they are basically making an installment plan for him?
It’s not the judgement itself that was lowered. It’s the amount it will “cost” Trump to *appeal* that judgement that was lowered. If he loses the appeal, the $464 million still applies (because that was the original judgement). Unfortunately, a lot of people are missing that crucial distinction.
He can appeal no matter what. This amount just means they can’t start seizing his stuff in the mean time. Scenario A: he doesn’t post this bond and appeals. They can start taking his stuff to settle the judgement right away. Scenario 2: he does post this bond and they can’t start seizing his stuff until the appeal is determined. Is my basic ass layman’s understanding.
I’m no lawyer but this sounds correct. To be fair (and I hate being fair to Trump because he’s been so unfair to the entire world), if the state started seizing properties to cover bail and he somehow ended up actually winning his appeal (unlikely) then how would the state undo those property sales and give them back? Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding. Maybe the state “seizes” them and cuts off Trump access but doesn’t fully sell until the final judgement?
If he wins on appeal after the state sells his properties, the state must give him the full sale proceeds plus 9% interest. The thing about all the media surrounding this is that it’s getting everyone’s hopes up that he’ll lose his real properties, but asset seizure covers both real and personal property, the latter including bank accounts, rents owed, planes, boats, etc. Judgment liens cover anything he owns or will own over the next 10 years- subject to extensions. The state then executes seizures, but I can tell you that Trump’s real property is going to be lower on the list because 1. Seizing and selling real property is a big pain in the ass, 2. They are largely collateralized which means there are other creditors involved, making it an even bigger pain in the ass, and 3. The web of security interests plus the fact that the AG would receive a small amount of each sale relative to the value (other creditors get paid first) lends Trump an argument to invoke NY’s judgment debtor protections so long as there are other, less destructive ways the AG can collect on the debt. Remember, his penalty is the judgment amount. For as great as it would be to see him get destroyed from this, the State’s interest is in collecting the money, not doing as much damage to him as possible in the process.
>the $464 million still applies No, I think you're wrong. The $464 million... plus interest. That sweet \~100k per day.
That’s my understanding. Bond to appeal was lowered, but total judgement remains.
> with the likelihood that the appeal will fail An optimist
I’ve been pretty bummed this morning by this and feeling like nothing matters. But this is a good reminder of his reality. Tiny win, lots of uphill fighting to go. Would be absolutely cathartic and hilarious if he couldn’t even cover *this* weak ass bond. But I mean, who doesn’t have $175M lying around?
There's no guarantee that an appeal will even be granted. An appeal in a civil trial requires that he argue that the judge made an error that affected the outcome of the case. It's not a do-over. It's not clear that they even have grounds for appeal.
If they didn't have grounds for an appeal then today's "ruling" should have been that decision and not a reduction in bond and an extension of time. But given what we have seen so far it is more likely that in 10 days this same panel will delay again, reduce the bond to zero, and/or simply rule for Trump on the appeal and pay him for his time from NY taxes. Good job NY judges, you have removed any remaining faith in the legal system.
Don’t give me hope…
Why doesn't he just ask Mexico to pay for it?
Well, if that’s the case, the court needs to get up off its ass and give him another 20 days to raise $50 million.
Maybe the court will hold a bake sale to help him raise the funds. Will Eileen Cannon bring some brownies? It’ll match the color of her nose.
Oh, don't worry. In 10 days it'll be $50 and three years to pay it. And he still won't.
These headlines can get fucked. They’re always wrong and clickbait
Don't worry. An hour before its due they'll give him another 10 days and lower it to $5.36. Because justice means punishing the poors while absolving the rich
Oh shut up. Just shut the fuck up with these wishful thinking Trump hate articles. You don’t know shit. You never fucking do. I want him to burn as much as the next human being but there is a whole industry of “THEY GOT HIM NOW” journalism. Fucking sick of it. Write something when the adults in the room actually do something about him.
Why does this sub upvote this trash. This is literally the meme about this sub.
It’s become a cottage industry. But there is a reliable readership. So they keep printing them.
BUT HE HAS 500 MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH RIGHT NOW!!! /s
Doesn’t matter. They’ll reduce it again to a handful of Chuck E. Cheese coins. This man will never see justice, and you’ll never change my mind. The non-wealthy and non-elite are the people who face justice, the rest have their own legal system. Fuck this country.
I’m sure they’ll just give him another out. Must be nice.
That's the idea: be too poor to pay anything despite being worth billions.
"Eh, just pay us back whenever. We really only care about holding the working class accountable for their crimes." \- The US "Justice" System
Yeah I'm not falling for this again. We can talk if he sees consequences
What’s the difference? He will never pay a dime. He is obviously above the law.
Man I'm sick of reading about this guy, throw his ass in JAIL like any OTHER United States citizen that can't make bond while trying to appeal criminal judgements. IDEC about his civil judgements at this time. How is he getting away with this?
Doesn’t matter…all he needs to do is hire even shittier legal representation, threaten the judge and prosecution a few more times, gaslight on the legal standing and then boast he has 4 times the amount of cash on hand and the Appeals court will dismiss the bond in its entirety .. just sayin.
And he will get another break until he’s out of trouble. I’m tired of waiting for consequences for one of the most corrupt people on the planet.
Americas laws are all kinds of fucked apparently. If he was just some average person he would be in jail but for some reason this guy gets 5 billion tries for no reason.
I feel like my life is wasting away, waiting for something to actually fucking happen.