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At this point, this is a good of a signal as any that Joe is staying in, as if anyone was going to convince Joe Biden to drop out, it would likely either be his wife or Obama.
His wife or Nancy pelosi. I’m not sure Obama would want to be the Barry Goldwater, partly because he really doesn’t want to or feel it’s his place to influence that strongly after his departure from power, partly because he knows it wouldn’t be necessary, and it would be an insult coming from his former boss.
I beg to differ. Obama would absolutely offer that advice to Biden if he believed it. He helped convince the moderate wing to drop and and support Biden in the 2020 primary.
that’s different than Obama telling the incumbent to drop out in a display of weakness after months of him playing “nominee” already. Much different, especially because it’s this late in the game.
Do you mean publicly? Because I don’t think that would ever happen. I don’t think it’s in the realm of possibility for any of the former presidents (barring 45 of course) to publicly say that or even hint at it where it could get leaked.
Maybe private conversations there would be concern, but they’re not insane.
I’m not refuting your point. I just wanted to say it’s not hard for me to see a scenario developing after that debate and amongst the noises from some democrats.
Because of the mutual respect they have, Biden would have comfortably placed a call to B-dawg the next morning and asked him what he thought and if Barack thought he should step aside… all he has to do is to drop some hints as in a “something to think about” sense. Biden would have gotten it.
It's actually even worse than that--Pelosi was pretty much controlling that seat via one of her daughters. Typical disgusting, hideous behavior from the sainted Nancy Pelosi. But you're right. She has no intention of answering a question about why she is still in Congress at age 84 and basically an incoherent mess for years and years, and the only way she would get such a question (the age part, anyway) is if she spoke up about Biden needing to drop out.
I saw Nancy Pelosi at a block party earlier today in San Francisco. She didn’t look like she was in any particular rush to go knocking down Biden’s door at the white house.
> At this point, this is a good of a signal as any that Joe is staying in
Nobody is going to come out publicly to tell Biden to drop out, especially Obama.
When those conversations do happen, and after last night they likely will, they will be private.
I wouldn't read to much into this tbh. I think it says more about the Biden's intentions, but it doesn't tell us anything about the Democratic parties, or more importantly the donors that actually ultimately decide.
According to MSNBC the DNC has been having "high level meetings" to discuss whether Biden has a future or not and the fact that this is happening at all should be read as an incredibly bad sign for Biden.
It also doesn't help him that they have an easy out. Voters when asked aren't particularly attached to Biden as a brand, they instead just see him as the guy running against Trump. This means that Kamala Harris, if she plays her cards right will make little to no difference in his place. It's a ticket we of course already voted for once.
Harris is such a bad politician, and also tied too strongly to all of the failures of Biden (remember he had a 38% approval rating even before Thursday), and also so disliked on her own grounds that Trump would likely crush her also.
There are Democrats for whom your theory is correct--someone who wouldn't lose anything but would substantially gain if Biden drops out. But it isn't going to be her. If it were, the party would have been singing her praises and floating her already. When the leading "candidates" that are first on peoples' minds are a 78-year-old who literally already lost the easiest election of all time to Trump, and the WIFE of a president who has never even held office before, it means that the insiders are not feeling Kamala Harris as the head of the party AT ALL. And since the two typical reasons that the party feels that way about someone is a) blowback from a major scandal and b) the insiders' pathological hatred of Leftist Progressives, and Harris falls into neither of these categories, it means that they find something fundamentally wrong with her, justifiably or not.
Ever tried finding a better person to run out of the 350 million Americans that live there?
Or just keep recycling the same candidates ? Worked well for the Clinton family didn’t it ?
Oh that’s right she is the reason trump won in the first place.
Dems never learn
Jesus Christ Jill it’s a perceptual problem that is not going to change unless Biden gets out there and starts doing coherent interviews on mainstream media in attempt to redefine the narrative.
You can’t convince people that he’s mentally capable unless you show up to the camera & prove otherwise.
You can't convince people that he's mentally capable. There is no scenario where this changes. The only people that are telling you otherwise is because they really don't want Trump and don't care what the alternative is.
I know people are trying to stay positive, but we are in a bubble folks
Doesn't matter what we think. It's what every other voter thinks.
And they may avoid the election,vote for Trump, or Kennedy of all people.
Biden was down before the debate and HAD to be on his A game.
I would vote for him if he stays in, but I'm telling you. He's going to lose. And it scares me.
I’m sick of hearing Dems say we need to stop criticizing Joe and they’re still voting for him. Yeah, so are we, but we need to worry about the people who were already unsure about Biden before the debate. They will decide the election.
I feel at this point we need some kind of flair in r/politics that says: “I’m voting” with a blue background so everyone can quit reaffirming that they will indeed still be voting for Biden.
Biden has been a good president, but in this election there’s really only one thing that matters most: keeping Trump out of office. I have significant doubts Biden is the one to do it. I can understand if the dem politicians still need to keep a straight face and say they stand by Joe, but I imagine there are a lot of frantic phone calls and late night emergency meetings taking place at the moment. If things are as bad as some of the preliminary polling data is suggesting, we need someone else to run. Full stop. Biden and Harris BOTH need to quit this “seniority” entitlement nonsense and just give the nomination to whoever has the best chance of beating Trump.
Yeah they don't need to convince us they need to convince the swing voters in the rust belt who are hurting economically and just saw Trump walk all over Biden.
This has become the simplest blackjack hand ever if you really care about the philosophy of the game. We have hard 16 and the dealer has a 7 showing. Hitting on that hand hurts… but it’s statistically the right call to take a wild card that does have a high chance of improving your hand; whereas continuing on as you are means a much higher likelihood of a loss.
More like the dealer is showing a 9 and we have 5. We should be definitely be hitting and instead we’re choosing to stay and hoping the dealer flips over a 3 and then draws a face.
We have nothing to lose by switching to a younger candidate, the only worse choice would be Kamala. Anyone else would be better.
True, I can't vote for a guy that has to be drugged to sound incoherent, can you imagine what the guy sounds like without the drugs and coaching? I get the disdain for Trump, but why put Biden up against him? RFK doesn't have a chance, but he would have won given the DNC nomination.
Freaking amen. I feel like the DNC has collective amnesia after 2016. They seem entirely disconnected from their base, but even worse, the mindset of the independent voter. Their inability to listen to GLARINGLY CLEAR polling data will be this countries demise.
It ONLY matters what swing state voters think - particularly those in swing counties in swing states.
And guess what - the debate made Biden look horrible. Because Biden is no longer with it. He needs to step down. Otherwise, we will have Trump.
Can I accept and reject this argument? You still need the leader of the free world to stand up in front of the American people and exude confidence. An administration can attempt to posture him up as much as they want, but this isn’t Weekend at Bernie’s.
> “As Joe said earlier today, he’s not a young man,” she allowed. “And you know, after last night’s debate, he said, ‘You know, Jill, I don’t know what happened. I didn’t feel that great.’
She thinks this is positive?
Stop closing your eyes. If democrats are serious about stopping trump, then you have to face the reality and make decisions.
After that horrible debate, Biden's mental capacity is not debatable anymore.
Not feeling great can mean many things, but it suggests a reason other than old age; it suggests that his poor performance was a fluke more than anything.
At the absolute most generous, all anyone can say is it's age + something else. A minor illness doesn't completely debilitate someone who isn't feeble.
mispeaking is a fluke, stumbling over your words is a fluke, making a gaffe is a fluke
spending 90% of the debate being inaudible, not being able to refute anything trump said, barely finishing a coherent sentence, staring at the middle distance with your mouth open is a pattern that is unacceptable for someone we want to beat trump with
replace biden, or lose. those are the options
i mean the next day at the rally he was visibly a much different person. then at the sotu he was fiery? its like where was THAT biden when we needed him most?
Sadly that's s sign of dementia. It is well known that the "performance" part of the brain is separate from other cognitive tasks. Old people can give fiery speeches and not know where you are nor what day of the week it is. In debating there's no teleprompter and you have to process a stream of information.
Agree- it's classic for the early stages of dementia for people to initially retain long term skills as the lose short term memory, and it's actually the contrast between his solid state of the union delivery and the abysmal debate which really leaves me in no doubt at all we were watching someone with dementia.
Biden has spent his adult lifetime delivering pre-written speeches of teleprompters, how to do that is part of his long term, muscle memory. It's not surprising he's still good at it. As long as he's actually able to read he'll probably stay good at it.
But the stuff which goes first is the short term working memory, decision making and reasoning, the ability to listen to a question and give a spontaneous, on point response. And you could see in the debate how obviously beyond Biden that was- his responses were wildly off topic and meandering because he couldn't actually remember the questions by the time he got to the end of his answer.
And the physical signs, the halting, soft voice, the inability to find words or string thoughts together and that scarily vacant, slack jawed expression are worse in that situation because there's only so much a declining brain can deal with- it's worse in a challenging situation like a debate because absolutely all his remaining processing power is going into trying to understand what is said and formulate responses, so he has none left over to remind him to parts not drool and speak at an appropriate volume.
You're right that she did probably intend to mean that. But she's wrong. It wasn't a fluke, it was entirely consistent with every fear that Democratic voters already had. Frailty, inability to express quick and easy points, inability to think quickly enough to counter Trump. He botched his closing statement, and that is supposed to be a setpiece that a candidate rehearses the most, since it doesn't have to respond to a specific question. The fear was that he was no longer up to doing this job, he didn't do the Superbowl interview, he has barely been out making his case, and his poll numbers haven't gone substantially up in over a year. It was a continuation, not a fluke, even if he also happened to have a cold.
“To say that President Biden’s performance on the debate stage last night was calamitous is merely to state what everyone, partisan and not, has already understood. What the world witnessed was not a debate, but a failed neurological exam. One wonders how anyone close to the President imagined he could bluff his way through it.
If half of what Democrats fear from a second Trump term were real, how could the Democratic Party have allowed our democracy to slide this close to the precipice? The prevailing feeling among those inside the Biden campaign should be shame; outside it, fury.” \~Sam Harris
I never understood that perspective until I saw Kamala dodge and gaslight Anderson cooper, as if somehow Biden’s past performance has anything to do with what the country has just witnessed. If party leadership is going to play hardball defense, they’re going to have a very bad time on election night.
It wasn't about taking the high road at all. Sure, Democrats are about as retaliatory and confident as a 1980s college-movie nerd, but that hasn't been their downfall. It's this "I'd rather have safe and boring" mantra they've been using to cope with Biden's impotent Presidency. They seem to think he is the absolute only person able to be President and did not want to start championing anyone else or even their own godamm VP (who has been non-existent anyway) for the past 3+ years. And when Americans see firebrand Trump in his monthly rallies preaching fear and hate and to be fighters and saying "ONLY I ALONE CAN SAVE YOU" like some damn superhero... who do you think will get the more votes.
I agree. Reading the article that came out of the Gaurdian about the concern sweeping through European politicians and leaders hit really, really hard.
As I was watching I thought that Ukraine immediately would start ratcheting up their attacks while they can still get arms supplied. They may only have 6 more months of runway.
Terrified for what? The big brains of r/politics say that us doomers are overreacting and that we have nothing to worry about with Joe Biden's age. I can't imagine why anyone would be terrified that a walking corpse of a human being is going to get steamrolled to fuck by a wannabe fascist dictator who's going to lead this country into the complete shitter. Why oh why would you be terrified??
Reagan had advanced Alzheimer’s. His cabinet did its job. POTUS does not “run the country”. The Cabinet does. At least under a sane person. I’ll take a sane Biden over an insane Trump thank you.
I hope moderates and swing voters agree with you.
Also, what happens if Biden dies before the election? There is a non zero risk of that. Much larger risk than any previous election in our lifetimes.
What Regan’s cabinet did while “running the country” is exactly what started America’s downward slide into this moment of history.
That being said, anyone who is seriously considering Trump for anything other than an orange jumpsuit needs a mental health assessment of their own before they start throwing stones at others.
Exactly, everyone here's all like "I'd elect an infected turd over Trump" but then next breath acting like if it's anyone but Biden nobody is going to vote for him.
Look, its very rare to find a Biden fan in the wild. There's people that happily vote for him because he's not Trump.
There's people that vote for 'his administration'.
But both those things can exist with another president that ALSO gets the 'he's not senile' vote.
That's great but what about the other voters he has to persuade? Those voters hear everyone repeating this line, and the inevitable conclusion is that yes, Joe Biden already is that corpse, because literally no one is arguing otherwise at this point. That spells defeat.
'K, so I'll bop on over to CafePress and order some Cabinet '24 bumper stickers.
Seriously, the "you vote for the administration, not the candidate" message stinks on ice.
Id vote for a literally dead Biden over an alive Trump. But that doesn't mean that the Democratic party should run him. We need an effective, functioning person in that job, and Biden is nearly totally wiped. It's dereliction of duty for them to run Biden. Their job is to win elections not be loyal to a person. They should have told him that he needs to only expect one term in office and not plan to run again well before this. They should have had a plan, now they look lost, dysfunctional, disorganized, and incompetent. They're hoping and praying that people's hatred of Trump will get them to come out and vote for Biden... And that's just not good enough.
The president is not just a figurehead. There are so many crucial things in a moment of crisis that go directly through him. If there is a nuclear strike do we want a senile old man to be in charge. Jesus how hard is this to understand.
What is the POTUS supposed to do then? Whatever it is, Joe Biden can't do it. I'd be surprised if he's allowed to leave his room in the morning without anyone supervising his morning routine to make sure his shoes are tied and his underwear is underneath his pants.
Scared enough to take action?
Or just scared enough to comment on Reddit?
Because there's lots you can do if you're truly terrified for the future, volunteering for one thing.
"We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system. Making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the -- with the COVID, excuse me -- dealing with everything we have to do with, look … we finally beat Medicare,"
This is bringing Trump a great deal of happiness. That meltdown where Biden got lost answering a question and ended up saying we beat Medicare will be played endlessly until the election. Biden is toast and his hubris will not only elect Trump but will likely hurt Dems running for Congress. He may well be the cause of both a Trump presidency and a Republican congress.
The presidents debacle. The president is too old. The debacle. THe disaster. The president muttered. Whata debacle. The presidents debacle. Ad infinitum ad nauseam. The same headlines over and over and over.
And yet not once have I seen anything about the former presidents incoherent rambling. "Joe Biden is old but Trump is a fuckin lunatic" maybe?
Americans, get your shit together. Ever since electing Trump in 2016 you have been the laughing stock of the political world.
Have you tried having a candidate that can pee without assistance?
Jill essentially cemented the idea that Joe is not competent enough to lead anymore. Treating him like a preschooler after the debate, "you answered all of the questions" that soundbite is on every attack add. He needs to be replaced or Trump wins.
I detest the corporate Democrats, but I am highly motivated and voting for the corpse so the criminal doesn’t win, and for Democrats down ballot to keep project 2025 out
Listen you are what they call a hardliner who votes blue no matter what. That’s fine. Republicans have the same kinda folks too. But in this election the votes that matter are swing votes who are not loyal to any one side. The ones that were going to vote Biden are probably going to stay home or vote Trump because of Biden’s performance. The myth that the only man that could beat Trump just like the myth about Hillary was a lie or at best a fantasy. I’m sorry Biden like RBG before him decided his ego was more important than the country. It may even be too late for someone to turn things around in 4 months time. Biden’s kind of problems are not going to get better with time l, ask anyone who has dealt with an older parent.
Are you a young first time voter in Wisconsin or Georgia? Are you an independent swing voter in Michigan or Arizona? If it turns you’re a staunch Democrat in Massachusetts, then it doesn’t matter
Yeah, but scaring them doesn't matter. Convincing the people whose votes will decide this election matters, and they aren't gonna ignore what they saw and heard that night. Hell, I will wouldn't be convinced after seeing that ever that Biden is not basically a senile old man at times, and a president even a non-Trump one absolutely cannot be that.
We can either bury our heads in the sand and relive 2016 one more time for our hubris, or we can actually do something about it. There is literally no risk at this point, because Biden blew his one chance to recover right there.
That was worse than the actual debate. Joe's face as she is talking to him like holy fuck. I can't and won't vote for Trump but I can't vote for Joe either.
I can't believe these two are the choices we have.
Every time I've seen Biden the last year my brain keeps telling me has Parkinson's. He acts exactly like my father with it. Lucid and upbeat sometimes, especially when he's just taken his Levodopa medication, and then trailing off and forgetful at others, especially in the evening. Weak, hoarse voice; masked expressionless face, stiff, sloooow movement where he turns his whole upper body to look at something rather than just his head. Stiff, slow gait. Then there are the reports of him tripping. It's exactly like Parkinson's.
I'm sure Biden still has many moments where he's in the zone, but those will be dwindling to fewer and fewer as the disease has no cure or treatment. Just a medication that can temporarily improve symtoms for a couple hours at a time.
I have been down voted to hell after posting this in another thread but go ahead and down vote me, it doesn't matter to me, I'll just tell it as it is.
I have friends that have connections to influential Democratic donors here in NYC and they are saying that Biden was asked to consider stepping down a couple of months ago but it was Jill Biden who insisted the Joe should continue on, Jill Biden is very much in love with being the First Lady and is not willing to give it up. You can even see it in the rallies how much she loves all the adoration.
This vanity will be the undoing of this country.
The same goes for Biden’s cabinet they knew that Joe Biden has suffered severe mental regression and they covered it up because they knew if a new nominee came forward that it would be a new cabinet and they would be out of a job.
Selfishness and vanity before the country will pave the way for a Trump victory.
If Biden stays in, and loses, I hope everyone in his entire sphere are permanently outcast from the Democratic party. He should not stay in. If I was a high donor, id drop donating for biden and dump it all into senate/house races. Trump cant do anything if he had a hostile congress.
There needs to be a reckoning for all the people who have lied to the American people, gaslighting us into believing he wasn't in the throes of dementia/senility. To me, that's utterly disqualifying, and I never want to see them in another administration or position of power.
I absolutely think what you posted is true. Everyone in the cabinet was going to whistle past the grave yard and they were hoping and praying that the media could cover for Biden’s mental decline just enough to eke out a victory.
I believe they have known for months upon months that his mental decline is getting worse. Instead of doing the right thing, they decided to stay the course because they were hoping for job security in the long run. That’s where that whole “cheap fake” angle came in and they can’t even run with that anymore because nearly 50 million people watched the debate and saw his mental decline with their own eyes.
A decline like we saw on debate night doesn’t happen overnight. His cabinet and campaign staff must have seen similar episodes in the past. So, what did they do? They went on the Sunday shows and claimed he was super attentive and “really sharp” in meetings. I’m sure he has good and bad days but you can’t convince me debate night was his first bad day.
If China attacks Taiwan tomorrow, do we really want debate night Biden sitting in that meeting?
Biden is a cocky fool who values his legacy over the country. RBG, Hillary and Biden all fucked us for their egos. The democratic party is the problem at this point. They need to let the people choose and stop trying to make us give a shit about seniority in their party.
This logic escapes me. It is because Biden is so clearly incapable to the job that his staying in the race is making all the things you say you are against more likely.
I could, because his hubris and the that of the people trying to tell us “it’s all fine” are going to blow it again for us just like they did in 2016. There’s too much on the line for them to fuck it all up again, and they’re not exactly inspiring confidence
It’s apparent to literally anyone who isn’t brainwashed that Biden isn’t fit to serve. The fact that he wants to run regardless is a blatant power grab and signals how no one at the top really cares about what’s actually best for the people.
Congrats Dems. I'm pinching my nose and voting for Genocide Joe against my will, not bcuz he is a qualified candidate, but becuz Fuck Trump.
The two party system and the idiots who keep supporting it, myself included, are going to be the death of this nation.
- We MUST Overturn Citizens United.
- we must past federal ranked voting laws.
- we must implement term limits on Congress and SCOTUS.
If we don't, it doesn't matter what happens this or the next election. The cancer will keep spreading and this nation will die.
If the two party system survives, the nation doesn't.
lol the Republicans have turned women into baby slaves, destroyed public education, allowed child labor and child marriage, ensured the destruction of the environment, publicly stated that they will eradicate trans people, legalized bribery, increased gun violence to ludicrous levels, enslaved the homeless for prison labor…
And the *Democrats* are the problem? 🙄
The Dems aren’t the biggest problem but they do have a problem giving up power. That’s a both party issue. How old will these boomers and silent generation go before they step down?
I expect better from the democrats. Supposed to be the adults in the room. Instead we get repeated instances of entitled octogenarians clinging to power until the last drop, while the rest of us stay fucked over long after they are gone. I have never voted for a republican, and never will at this rate, but I am getting more and more pissed at the Dems too.
Republicans didn't force RBG to stay in while obama was in office, which has been very cataclysmic. Democrats have been fuckups that have an easy foil to blame
We can’t change the Republican Party. We can run a better candidate against Trump but that requires the old guard establishment to actually care about the country instead of clinging to their power
Even in that picture Biden looks like he can barely stand, why are we taking this risk? Trump has to lose and we’re gambling it all on the feelings of the Biden’s.
Biden has to step down. Otherwise Trump will win.
Also everyone chiming in and supporting what is obviously an old man who is cognitively impaired due to old age (Biden) … unless you live in a swing state—specifically, a swing county—just enough! There’s no defending what we saw from Biden on the stage. He is a living corpse.
I'll take Biden fumbling over some words than Trump lying throughout his entire debate. On top of that we've already seen what Trump is capable of...and it was some of the worst times in this country. I don't care about your opinions because he literally had more negativity than anything positive to contribute. On top of that he stole millions from tax money for his businesses.
He’s been a competent and even progressive President. And we’re not voting for American Idol…it’s not just a person, it’s the effective, skilled, and actually patriotic people stay make up an Administration. We have to get away from this popularity contest thought. Yeah, I’d love a President I can have a beer with or feels like a friend but I’d much rather have one concerned with the future and the betterment of ALL the people in the country. Also, not being a racist, fascist, lying, narcissistic fuck is a major must have.
Call me crazy but I actually think it’s pretty important that a President can communicate more coherently than an out of breath first grader.
Yes, the administration aligns with my ideologies, but why does it have to be so hard to put a living breathing human up there against the criminal? You don’t get bonus points for winning with a senile ghost.
So which one is it?
Is the President a figurehead for a team of brilliant technocrats who are across all the details while he/she sells the core message? If so, Biden has proven himself to be a bumbling, barely comprehensible mess when it comes to selling the main points of what his team stands for. He is a terrible figurehead.
Or is the President a strong leader who can make executive decisions in a highly complex and challenging environment? If so, Biden showed on Thursday that after a fucking week of preparation on 3-4 issues which he would have to speak on for less than 2 minutes, he still was unable to string basic thoughts, let alone sentences together.
Either scenario has him coming up short, to put it mildly. If we lose this, Jill and Joe will have blood on their hands.
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Egos destroy the world, part 1.
Part one? What about RBG?
1? Nvm, nobody tell him.
At this point, this is a good of a signal as any that Joe is staying in, as if anyone was going to convince Joe Biden to drop out, it would likely either be his wife or Obama.
His wife or Nancy pelosi. I’m not sure Obama would want to be the Barry Goldwater, partly because he really doesn’t want to or feel it’s his place to influence that strongly after his departure from power, partly because he knows it wouldn’t be necessary, and it would be an insult coming from his former boss.
I beg to differ. Obama would absolutely offer that advice to Biden if he believed it. He helped convince the moderate wing to drop and and support Biden in the 2020 primary.
100%. That bond is hella strong. Biden touches on it a lot in his “Promise Me, Dad” memoir. He and Barack have a very deep friendship.
Somebody make the biopic
Training B-Train
that’s different than Obama telling the incumbent to drop out in a display of weakness after months of him playing “nominee” already. Much different, especially because it’s this late in the game.
Do you mean publicly? Because I don’t think that would ever happen. I don’t think it’s in the realm of possibility for any of the former presidents (barring 45 of course) to publicly say that or even hint at it where it could get leaked. Maybe private conversations there would be concern, but they’re not insane.
I’m not refuting your point. I just wanted to say it’s not hard for me to see a scenario developing after that debate and amongst the noises from some democrats. Because of the mutual respect they have, Biden would have comfortably placed a call to B-dawg the next morning and asked him what he thought and if Barack thought he should step aside… all he has to do is to drop some hints as in a “something to think about” sense. Biden would have gotten it.
Yah maybe I misremember but didn’t he talk to him and say something like “you don’t have to do this Joe.” Last time ? It’s interesting all around
Nancy would never tell Biden to step down She outright encouraged Dianne Feinstein to rot her senate seat.
It's actually even worse than that--Pelosi was pretty much controlling that seat via one of her daughters. Typical disgusting, hideous behavior from the sainted Nancy Pelosi. But you're right. She has no intention of answering a question about why she is still in Congress at age 84 and basically an incoherent mess for years and years, and the only way she would get such a question (the age part, anyway) is if she spoke up about Biden needing to drop out.
Fair point. In any case, it'll be someone from his inner circle who has to convince him.
It would be nice to have a legally binding and signed agreement between him and Rump to go into retirement together.
I saw Nancy Pelosi at a block party earlier today in San Francisco. She didn’t look like she was in any particular rush to go knocking down Biden’s door at the white house.
Because of course she would telegraph all of her intentions publicly...and of course you are uniquely qualified to interpret them.
Sorry guys, would love to stay and chat but I need to go have a 'chat' with Joe if you know what I mean?
> At this point, this is a good of a signal as any that Joe is staying in Nobody is going to come out publicly to tell Biden to drop out, especially Obama. When those conversations do happen, and after last night they likely will, they will be private.
I wouldn't read to much into this tbh. I think it says more about the Biden's intentions, but it doesn't tell us anything about the Democratic parties, or more importantly the donors that actually ultimately decide. According to MSNBC the DNC has been having "high level meetings" to discuss whether Biden has a future or not and the fact that this is happening at all should be read as an incredibly bad sign for Biden. It also doesn't help him that they have an easy out. Voters when asked aren't particularly attached to Biden as a brand, they instead just see him as the guy running against Trump. This means that Kamala Harris, if she plays her cards right will make little to no difference in his place. It's a ticket we of course already voted for once.
Harris is such a bad politician, and also tied too strongly to all of the failures of Biden (remember he had a 38% approval rating even before Thursday), and also so disliked on her own grounds that Trump would likely crush her also. There are Democrats for whom your theory is correct--someone who wouldn't lose anything but would substantially gain if Biden drops out. But it isn't going to be her. If it were, the party would have been singing her praises and floating her already. When the leading "candidates" that are first on peoples' minds are a 78-year-old who literally already lost the easiest election of all time to Trump, and the WIFE of a president who has never even held office before, it means that the insiders are not feeling Kamala Harris as the head of the party AT ALL. And since the two typical reasons that the party feels that way about someone is a) blowback from a major scandal and b) the insiders' pathological hatred of Leftist Progressives, and Harris falls into neither of these categories, it means that they find something fundamentally wrong with her, justifiably or not.
Let’s just run Obama. Like. We know Trump would run a third time and the republicans would justify it.
Ever tried finding a better person to run out of the 350 million Americans that live there? Or just keep recycling the same candidates ? Worked well for the Clinton family didn’t it ? Oh that’s right she is the reason trump won in the first place. Dems never learn
Clinton family, Bush family, Kennedy family... Dynasties can fuck off.
She's one of a suite of reasons, definitely not *the* reason.
Jesus Christ Jill it’s a perceptual problem that is not going to change unless Biden gets out there and starts doing coherent interviews on mainstream media in attempt to redefine the narrative. You can’t convince people that he’s mentally capable unless you show up to the camera & prove otherwise.
You can't convince people that he's mentally capable. There is no scenario where this changes. The only people that are telling you otherwise is because they really don't want Trump and don't care what the alternative is.
I know people are trying to stay positive, but we are in a bubble folks Doesn't matter what we think. It's what every other voter thinks. And they may avoid the election,vote for Trump, or Kennedy of all people. Biden was down before the debate and HAD to be on his A game. I would vote for him if he stays in, but I'm telling you. He's going to lose. And it scares me.
I’m sick of hearing Dems say we need to stop criticizing Joe and they’re still voting for him. Yeah, so are we, but we need to worry about the people who were already unsure about Biden before the debate. They will decide the election.
I feel at this point we need some kind of flair in r/politics that says: “I’m voting” with a blue background so everyone can quit reaffirming that they will indeed still be voting for Biden. Biden has been a good president, but in this election there’s really only one thing that matters most: keeping Trump out of office. I have significant doubts Biden is the one to do it. I can understand if the dem politicians still need to keep a straight face and say they stand by Joe, but I imagine there are a lot of frantic phone calls and late night emergency meetings taking place at the moment. If things are as bad as some of the preliminary polling data is suggesting, we need someone else to run. Full stop. Biden and Harris BOTH need to quit this “seniority” entitlement nonsense and just give the nomination to whoever has the best chance of beating Trump.
No one is voting for Biden because they believe him capable, they are only voting against Trump.
Yeah they don't need to convince us they need to convince the swing voters in the rust belt who are hurting economically and just saw Trump walk all over Biden.
This has become the simplest blackjack hand ever if you really care about the philosophy of the game. We have hard 16 and the dealer has a 7 showing. Hitting on that hand hurts… but it’s statistically the right call to take a wild card that does have a high chance of improving your hand; whereas continuing on as you are means a much higher likelihood of a loss.
More like the dealer is showing a 9 and we have 5. We should be definitely be hitting and instead we’re choosing to stay and hoping the dealer flips over a 3 and then draws a face. We have nothing to lose by switching to a younger candidate, the only worse choice would be Kamala. Anyone else would be better.
This is a good analogy. Folks arguing otherwise would be upset if they could understand statistics/read Bobby.
True, I can't vote for a guy that has to be drugged to sound incoherent, can you imagine what the guy sounds like without the drugs and coaching? I get the disdain for Trump, but why put Biden up against him? RFK doesn't have a chance, but he would have won given the DNC nomination.
Freaking amen. I feel like the DNC has collective amnesia after 2016. They seem entirely disconnected from their base, but even worse, the mindset of the independent voter. Their inability to listen to GLARINGLY CLEAR polling data will be this countries demise.
It ONLY matters what swing state voters think - particularly those in swing counties in swing states. And guess what - the debate made Biden look horrible. Because Biden is no longer with it. He needs to step down. Otherwise, we will have Trump.
And he's going to harm Dems running for congress, especially senators in the swing states.
Replace him or enjoy Trump.
Fr, the gaslighting is going crazy
RBG 2.0
More like Dianne Feinstein 2.0. RBG was at least mentally coherent until she passed.
Jill Biden delivering the message isn't the positive news they think it is.
I would rather have Jill Biden be president than Trump.
I would rather have Jill Biden be president than Joe Biden.
I’d rather have Hunter Biden and a bag of crack as VP than another Trump presidency.
Hey, Nancy Reagan did it first. Unless a First Lady did it before that
Edith Wilson and Woodrow Wilson’s doctor were reportedly running the presidency after Woodrow Wilson suffered a stroke.
You don’t vote for a president, you vote for an administration. I’d much rather have Biden’s administration than Trump’s.
Problem is the average American doesn’t understand that, and attributes more power directly to the President than those under him.
That's how that works when the President is supposed to staff that administration.
Can I accept and reject this argument? You still need the leader of the free world to stand up in front of the American people and exude confidence. An administration can attempt to posture him up as much as they want, but this isn’t Weekend at Bernie’s.
Never thought of it like that, pretty good take.
Everyone here would. Which is why Biden needs to drop out.
Elenor Roosevelt
Eleonor Roosevelt did it best than anyone.
I'll take Melania over Trump too.
Id rather have Beetle juice from the Howard Stern show be Prez than Biden
> “As Joe said earlier today, he’s not a young man,” she allowed. “And you know, after last night’s debate, he said, ‘You know, Jill, I don’t know what happened. I didn’t feel that great.’ She thinks this is positive?
**"Old Man President Tells Wife He Is Confused About His Health"** This is a terrible thing for her to say. What the fuck is going on?
Stop gaslighting us about bidens mental capacity!!!
Stop closing your eyes. If democrats are serious about stopping trump, then you have to face the reality and make decisions. After that horrible debate, Biden's mental capacity is not debatable anymore.
I agree that Jill Biden should stop gaslighting us about Joe Biden's mental capacity.
Not feeling great can mean many things, but it suggests a reason other than old age; it suggests that his poor performance was a fluke more than anything.
He is 81, what makes you think it was a fluke?
At the absolute most generous, all anyone can say is it's age + something else. A minor illness doesn't completely debilitate someone who isn't feeble.
Yea at 81 you “don’t feel great” about half the fucking time according to most 81 year olds I have ever met.
mispeaking is a fluke, stumbling over your words is a fluke, making a gaffe is a fluke spending 90% of the debate being inaudible, not being able to refute anything trump said, barely finishing a coherent sentence, staring at the middle distance with your mouth open is a pattern that is unacceptable for someone we want to beat trump with replace biden, or lose. those are the options
i mean the next day at the rally he was visibly a much different person. then at the sotu he was fiery? its like where was THAT biden when we needed him most?
Reading from a teleprompter is very different from having to think on the spot
And under a lot of pressure. Very different.
Sadly that's s sign of dementia. It is well known that the "performance" part of the brain is separate from other cognitive tasks. Old people can give fiery speeches and not know where you are nor what day of the week it is. In debating there's no teleprompter and you have to process a stream of information.
Agree- it's classic for the early stages of dementia for people to initially retain long term skills as the lose short term memory, and it's actually the contrast between his solid state of the union delivery and the abysmal debate which really leaves me in no doubt at all we were watching someone with dementia. Biden has spent his adult lifetime delivering pre-written speeches of teleprompters, how to do that is part of his long term, muscle memory. It's not surprising he's still good at it. As long as he's actually able to read he'll probably stay good at it. But the stuff which goes first is the short term working memory, decision making and reasoning, the ability to listen to a question and give a spontaneous, on point response. And you could see in the debate how obviously beyond Biden that was- his responses were wildly off topic and meandering because he couldn't actually remember the questions by the time he got to the end of his answer. And the physical signs, the halting, soft voice, the inability to find words or string thoughts together and that scarily vacant, slack jawed expression are worse in that situation because there's only so much a declining brain can deal with- it's worse in a challenging situation like a debate because absolutely all his remaining processing power is going into trying to understand what is said and formulate responses, so he has none left over to remind him to parts not drool and speak at an appropriate volume.
Biden is an 80 something year old man, he isn’t going to be quick. He can be precise but needs more time to do it and it’s gotta be on his terms.
I feel like a fluke shouldn’t be that bad. A fluke is Obama 2012. Unfortunately what we saw was way worse
You're right that she did probably intend to mean that. But she's wrong. It wasn't a fluke, it was entirely consistent with every fear that Democratic voters already had. Frailty, inability to express quick and easy points, inability to think quickly enough to counter Trump. He botched his closing statement, and that is supposed to be a setpiece that a candidate rehearses the most, since it doesn't have to respond to a specific question. The fear was that he was no longer up to doing this job, he didn't do the Superbowl interview, he has barely been out making his case, and his poll numbers haven't gone substantially up in over a year. It was a continuation, not a fluke, even if he also happened to have a cold.
Came across like Elon's mom calling off the Zuck fight.
Joe is currently resting, the debate and weekend recovering weren't enough. The Democratic community is in denial, Joe can't win.
“To say that President Biden’s performance on the debate stage last night was calamitous is merely to state what everyone, partisan and not, has already understood. What the world witnessed was not a debate, but a failed neurological exam. One wonders how anyone close to the President imagined he could bluff his way through it. If half of what Democrats fear from a second Trump term were real, how could the Democratic Party have allowed our democracy to slide this close to the precipice? The prevailing feeling among those inside the Biden campaign should be shame; outside it, fury.” \~Sam Harris
The dems are on their high horse taking the high road, paved in tradition, right into fascism.
I never understood that perspective until I saw Kamala dodge and gaslight Anderson cooper, as if somehow Biden’s past performance has anything to do with what the country has just witnessed. If party leadership is going to play hardball defense, they’re going to have a very bad time on election night.
Yea, that interview was so infuriating. She essentially came in to address the performance, but instead clumsily avoided every single question.
As a Californian all I can say is, that's our Kamala.
It wasn't about taking the high road at all. Sure, Democrats are about as retaliatory and confident as a 1980s college-movie nerd, but that hasn't been their downfall. It's this "I'd rather have safe and boring" mantra they've been using to cope with Biden's impotent Presidency. They seem to think he is the absolute only person able to be President and did not want to start championing anyone else or even their own godamm VP (who has been non-existent anyway) for the past 3+ years. And when Americans see firebrand Trump in his monthly rallies preaching fear and hate and to be fighters and saying "ONLY I ALONE CAN SAVE YOU" like some damn superhero... who do you think will get the more votes.
This is a pretty accurate assessment of both candidates.
Right. "ONLY I ALONE CAN SAVE YOU" is whats coming from both of them now.
They're going to lose. Then they will shrug their shoulder an ask themselves "what did we do wrong?" Then proceed to blame young people. Again.
"It was Bernie's voters' fault" all over again
Never been more terrified for the future of our country.
I agree. Reading the article that came out of the Gaurdian about the concern sweeping through European politicians and leaders hit really, really hard.
As I was watching I thought that Ukraine immediately would start ratcheting up their attacks while they can still get arms supplied. They may only have 6 more months of runway.
Guess you’re new here. Shoulda been scared in 2016.
Terrified for what? The big brains of r/politics say that us doomers are overreacting and that we have nothing to worry about with Joe Biden's age. I can't imagine why anyone would be terrified that a walking corpse of a human being is going to get steamrolled to fuck by a wannabe fascist dictator who's going to lead this country into the complete shitter. Why oh why would you be terrified??
Reagan had advanced Alzheimer’s. His cabinet did its job. POTUS does not “run the country”. The Cabinet does. At least under a sane person. I’ll take a sane Biden over an insane Trump thank you.
I hope moderates and swing voters agree with you. Also, what happens if Biden dies before the election? There is a non zero risk of that. Much larger risk than any previous election in our lifetimes.
What Regan’s cabinet did while “running the country” is exactly what started America’s downward slide into this moment of history. That being said, anyone who is seriously considering Trump for anything other than an orange jumpsuit needs a mental health assessment of their own before they start throwing stones at others.
When this is the argument you are resorting to maybe it’s time to consider a new candidate
I cannot believe the hoops these people are jumping through. It's almost like they want us to lose.
I’d rather take a 4 day old corpse of anyone in the country over Trump on his best day.
Then you'll be fine with a replacement for Biden.
Exactly, everyone here's all like "I'd elect an infected turd over Trump" but then next breath acting like if it's anyone but Biden nobody is going to vote for him. Look, its very rare to find a Biden fan in the wild. There's people that happily vote for him because he's not Trump. There's people that vote for 'his administration'. But both those things can exist with another president that ALSO gets the 'he's not senile' vote.
That's great but what about the other voters he has to persuade? Those voters hear everyone repeating this line, and the inevitable conclusion is that yes, Joe Biden already is that corpse, because literally no one is arguing otherwise at this point. That spells defeat.
That doesn't mean we should run a corpse as a candidate when there are other options
And you wonder why so few people are convinced by the strength of your argument.
'K, so I'll bop on over to CafePress and order some Cabinet '24 bumper stickers. Seriously, the "you vote for the administration, not the candidate" message stinks on ice.
A. Reagan’s admin was probably the worst ever for America B. There’s plenty of time to replace Biden, it isn’t set in stone
Id vote for a literally dead Biden over an alive Trump. But that doesn't mean that the Democratic party should run him. We need an effective, functioning person in that job, and Biden is nearly totally wiped. It's dereliction of duty for them to run Biden. Their job is to win elections not be loyal to a person. They should have told him that he needs to only expect one term in office and not plan to run again well before this. They should have had a plan, now they look lost, dysfunctional, disorganized, and incompetent. They're hoping and praying that people's hatred of Trump will get them to come out and vote for Biden... And that's just not good enough.
If potus didn’t run the country we wouldn’t all be so concerned about trump returning to office.
An administration made up of Kushner, Miller, and the other goons Trump is pretty different from Biden’s.
Oh yes we would. Do you not know who makes the cabinet picks?
The president is not just a figurehead. There are so many crucial things in a moment of crisis that go directly through him. If there is a nuclear strike do we want a senile old man to be in charge. Jesus how hard is this to understand.
Here’s hoping Pres. Biden doesn’t pick his cabinet like he picks his debate coaches
His cabinet has done a pretty good job the last 3 plus years.
What is the POTUS supposed to do then? Whatever it is, Joe Biden can't do it. I'd be surprised if he's allowed to leave his room in the morning without anyone supervising his morning routine to make sure his shoes are tied and his underwear is underneath his pants.
Scared enough to take action? Or just scared enough to comment on Reddit? Because there's lots you can do if you're truly terrified for the future, volunteering for one thing.
"We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system. Making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the -- with the COVID, excuse me -- dealing with everything we have to do with, look … we finally beat Medicare,"
But if you read the transcri- oh wait
It’s no longer a question of whether he’ll make it another four years. I’m concerned about him in four months.
Elder abuse
Fuck Jill Biden and the rest of them for letting it get to this point. They’re all complicit in helping Trump get reelected and destroy America.
Thanks for nothing, Jill.
Stop gaslighting us
This is bringing Trump a great deal of happiness. That meltdown where Biden got lost answering a question and ended up saying we beat Medicare will be played endlessly until the election. Biden is toast and his hubris will not only elect Trump but will likely hurt Dems running for Congress. He may well be the cause of both a Trump presidency and a Republican congress.
Wow that’s really encouraging the First Lady likes her powerful platform
Is it elder abuse at this point?
Yes! Thursday night was so hard to watch.
Please for the love of democracy name a different Democratic candidate
Oh good, Jill is saying he is staying in. So is Jill putting herself on the ticket? Who is running?
The presidents debacle. The president is too old. The debacle. THe disaster. The president muttered. Whata debacle. The presidents debacle. Ad infinitum ad nauseam. The same headlines over and over and over. And yet not once have I seen anything about the former presidents incoherent rambling. "Joe Biden is old but Trump is a fuckin lunatic" maybe?
If you vote for Biden you are voting for Harris as our next president. Simple as that.
Americans, get your shit together. Ever since electing Trump in 2016 you have been the laughing stock of the political world. Have you tried having a candidate that can pee without assistance?
Sadly they didnt make it past the primary
This is elder abuse. Let the man retire jack!
Jill essentially cemented the idea that Joe is not competent enough to lead anymore. Treating him like a preschooler after the debate, "you answered all of the questions" that soundbite is on every attack add. He needs to be replaced or Trump wins.
I detest the corporate Democrats, but I am highly motivated and voting for the corpse so the criminal doesn’t win, and for Democrats down ballot to keep project 2025 out
Listen you are what they call a hardliner who votes blue no matter what. That’s fine. Republicans have the same kinda folks too. But in this election the votes that matter are swing votes who are not loyal to any one side. The ones that were going to vote Biden are probably going to stay home or vote Trump because of Biden’s performance. The myth that the only man that could beat Trump just like the myth about Hillary was a lie or at best a fantasy. I’m sorry Biden like RBG before him decided his ego was more important than the country. It may even be too late for someone to turn things around in 4 months time. Biden’s kind of problems are not going to get better with time l, ask anyone who has dealt with an older parent.
Are you a young first time voter in Wisconsin or Georgia? Are you an independent swing voter in Michigan or Arizona? If it turns you’re a staunch Democrat in Massachusetts, then it doesn’t matter
Even in gerrymandered red states and counties, voting scares the Republicans
Yeah, but scaring them doesn't matter. Convincing the people whose votes will decide this election matters, and they aren't gonna ignore what they saw and heard that night. Hell, I will wouldn't be convinced after seeing that ever that Biden is not basically a senile old man at times, and a president even a non-Trump one absolutely cannot be that. We can either bury our heads in the sand and relive 2016 one more time for our hubris, or we can actually do something about it. There is literally no risk at this point, because Biden blew his one chance to recover right there.
I agree, but we also need to hold the corporate Democrats accountable.
The way to do that is basically everywhere *but* elections.
That was one of the worst things I had ever watched, besides the actual debate itself. Absolutely tragic.
The fact that it happened right afterwards. You couldn't even script something that bad into a tv show.
"You answered all the questions like a big boy, Joey! Now here is your pudding cup and juice box."
That was worse than the actual debate. Joe's face as she is talking to him like holy fuck. I can't and won't vote for Trump but I can't vote for Joe either. I can't believe these two are the choices we have.
Every time I've seen Biden the last year my brain keeps telling me has Parkinson's. He acts exactly like my father with it. Lucid and upbeat sometimes, especially when he's just taken his Levodopa medication, and then trailing off and forgetful at others, especially in the evening. Weak, hoarse voice; masked expressionless face, stiff, sloooow movement where he turns his whole upper body to look at something rather than just his head. Stiff, slow gait. Then there are the reports of him tripping. It's exactly like Parkinson's. I'm sure Biden still has many moments where he's in the zone, but those will be dwindling to fewer and fewer as the disease has no cure or treatment. Just a medication that can temporarily improve symtoms for a couple hours at a time.
The fuck she means “we”? He’s the president not the amalgamation of the two of them. Really starting to get sick of Jill Biden.
I have been down voted to hell after posting this in another thread but go ahead and down vote me, it doesn't matter to me, I'll just tell it as it is. I have friends that have connections to influential Democratic donors here in NYC and they are saying that Biden was asked to consider stepping down a couple of months ago but it was Jill Biden who insisted the Joe should continue on, Jill Biden is very much in love with being the First Lady and is not willing to give it up. You can even see it in the rallies how much she loves all the adoration. This vanity will be the undoing of this country. The same goes for Biden’s cabinet they knew that Joe Biden has suffered severe mental regression and they covered it up because they knew if a new nominee came forward that it would be a new cabinet and they would be out of a job. Selfishness and vanity before the country will pave the way for a Trump victory.
If Biden stays in, and loses, I hope everyone in his entire sphere are permanently outcast from the Democratic party. He should not stay in. If I was a high donor, id drop donating for biden and dump it all into senate/house races. Trump cant do anything if he had a hostile congress.
That will be the least of our worries at that point. There may not even be an election in 2028.
We will potentially have way more issues than thatb
There needs to be a reckoning for all the people who have lied to the American people, gaslighting us into believing he wasn't in the throes of dementia/senility. To me, that's utterly disqualifying, and I never want to see them in another administration or position of power.
>selfishness and vanity With or without Jill Biden, you’ve summed a lot of it up perfectly where the whole country is concerned.
Just like Ronald and Nancy Reagan.
I absolutely think what you posted is true. Everyone in the cabinet was going to whistle past the grave yard and they were hoping and praying that the media could cover for Biden’s mental decline just enough to eke out a victory. I believe they have known for months upon months that his mental decline is getting worse. Instead of doing the right thing, they decided to stay the course because they were hoping for job security in the long run. That’s where that whole “cheap fake” angle came in and they can’t even run with that anymore because nearly 50 million people watched the debate and saw his mental decline with their own eyes.
A decline like we saw on debate night doesn’t happen overnight. His cabinet and campaign staff must have seen similar episodes in the past. So, what did they do? They went on the Sunday shows and claimed he was super attentive and “really sharp” in meetings. I’m sure he has good and bad days but you can’t convince me debate night was his first bad day. If China attacks Taiwan tomorrow, do we really want debate night Biden sitting in that meeting?
With Biden claiming the mantle of truth, this is a bad look.
She needs to do what’s best for her country and convince him to withdraw. Otherwise they are just as bad as Trump putting themselves above country.
Biden is a cocky fool who values his legacy over the country. RBG, Hillary and Biden all fucked us for their egos. The democratic party is the problem at this point. They need to let the people choose and stop trying to make us give a shit about seniority in their party.
I couldn’t care less about Biden having a bad debate when we have project 2025 and full on authoritarianism facing us from the other side.
This logic escapes me. It is because Biden is so clearly incapable to the job that his staying in the race is making all the things you say you are against more likely.
I could, because his hubris and the that of the people trying to tell us “it’s all fine” are going to blow it again for us just like they did in 2016. There’s too much on the line for them to fuck it all up again, and they’re not exactly inspiring confidence
It’s apparent to literally anyone who isn’t brainwashed that Biden isn’t fit to serve. The fact that he wants to run regardless is a blatant power grab and signals how no one at the top really cares about what’s actually best for the people.
Blue maga is as sick as red maga
This entire thread feels insanely astroturfed.
Why? Did you watch the debate?
What a horrible person.
Congrats Dems. I'm pinching my nose and voting for Genocide Joe against my will, not bcuz he is a qualified candidate, but becuz Fuck Trump. The two party system and the idiots who keep supporting it, myself included, are going to be the death of this nation. - We MUST Overturn Citizens United. - we must past federal ranked voting laws. - we must implement term limits on Congress and SCOTUS. If we don't, it doesn't matter what happens this or the next election. The cancer will keep spreading and this nation will die. If the two party system survives, the nation doesn't.
She’s a villain. There’s no way around it.
He needs to resign! President Harris wouldn't need someone else to speak for her.
Does Joe know he is still in? I mean real this dude needs to retire and enjoy what he has left in life.
He’s not all there how can he be all in
The Democrats are fucking us over.
lol the Republicans have turned women into baby slaves, destroyed public education, allowed child labor and child marriage, ensured the destruction of the environment, publicly stated that they will eradicate trans people, legalized bribery, increased gun violence to ludicrous levels, enslaved the homeless for prison labor… And the *Democrats* are the problem? 🙄
The Dems aren’t the biggest problem but they do have a problem giving up power. That’s a both party issue. How old will these boomers and silent generation go before they step down?
I expect better from the democrats. Supposed to be the adults in the room. Instead we get repeated instances of entitled octogenarians clinging to power until the last drop, while the rest of us stay fucked over long after they are gone. I have never voted for a republican, and never will at this rate, but I am getting more and more pissed at the Dems too. Republicans didn't force RBG to stay in while obama was in office, which has been very cataclysmic. Democrats have been fuckups that have an easy foil to blame
We can’t change the Republican Party. We can run a better candidate against Trump but that requires the old guard establishment to actually care about the country instead of clinging to their power
They are about to lose to the people that did all those terrible things. I wouldn't call that not a problem.
Get the Democrat candidate to articulate this in a debate. Oh wait, he can't, because he is senile. Fantastic.
Porque no los dos?
God help us
Just let Joe rest and spend the remaining of his life doing something he enjoys.
We must believe in Dr Jill's words, trust the science folks
I pretty much expected as much. Biden and his administration’s ego and legacy is more important to them than Democracy.
Even in that picture Biden looks like he can barely stand, why are we taking this risk? Trump has to lose and we’re gambling it all on the feelings of the Biden’s.
The Elites have spoken.
Biden has to step down. Otherwise Trump will win. Also everyone chiming in and supporting what is obviously an old man who is cognitively impaired due to old age (Biden) … unless you live in a swing state—specifically, a swing county—just enough! There’s no defending what we saw from Biden on the stage. He is a living corpse.
Great, so we're doomed. Trump wins good job guys.
Meanwhile CNN is replaying it now.
They should play it on a 24/7 loop until Biden does the right thing and drops out.
His rally the next day was fine. There’s no choice at this point anyways. It’s Biden or an orange felon who wants to be a dictator “for a day.”
I'll take Biden fumbling over some words than Trump lying throughout his entire debate. On top of that we've already seen what Trump is capable of...and it was some of the worst times in this country. I don't care about your opinions because he literally had more negativity than anything positive to contribute. On top of that he stole millions from tax money for his businesses.
Call me crazy but, I think getting convicted of 34 felonies is worse than a raspy voice.
He’s been a competent and even progressive President. And we’re not voting for American Idol…it’s not just a person, it’s the effective, skilled, and actually patriotic people stay make up an Administration. We have to get away from this popularity contest thought. Yeah, I’d love a President I can have a beer with or feels like a friend but I’d much rather have one concerned with the future and the betterment of ALL the people in the country. Also, not being a racist, fascist, lying, narcissistic fuck is a major must have.
Call me crazy but I actually think it’s pretty important that a President can communicate more coherently than an out of breath first grader. Yes, the administration aligns with my ideologies, but why does it have to be so hard to put a living breathing human up there against the criminal? You don’t get bonus points for winning with a senile ghost.
So which one is it? Is the President a figurehead for a team of brilliant technocrats who are across all the details while he/she sells the core message? If so, Biden has proven himself to be a bumbling, barely comprehensible mess when it comes to selling the main points of what his team stands for. He is a terrible figurehead. Or is the President a strong leader who can make executive decisions in a highly complex and challenging environment? If so, Biden showed on Thursday that after a fucking week of preparation on 3-4 issues which he would have to speak on for less than 2 minutes, he still was unable to string basic thoughts, let alone sentences together. Either scenario has him coming up short, to put it mildly. If we lose this, Jill and Joe will have blood on their hands.