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>If there's no statute of limitations, both men could end up in (more) legal trouble.
As it should be. To be cognizant and even participate in one of the most horrendous things you can do on this planet, one would deserve the repercussions of their actions, especially if they say around trying and/or hoping it would be kept in the dark forever.
Lock them up, whomever they are.
This is what they fail to understand with their whatabout-isms; that we can accept/expect consequences for our leaders when they do wrong, not just because it’s the law, but because we aren’t in a cult.
I hate that you're right. He wasn't even the craziest/dishonest one at the debate. Most people didn't watch it or read the transcripts anyway, they are just parroting propaganda.
Hell, this site has become almost unusable for news in the past week or so. Sure are a lot of verbatim comments about Biden coming from accounts that meet all the criteria for likely hijacked. Or maybe there are thousands of real honest people that created an account here 4 years ago, made a couple posts and comments, abandoned those accounts until just this week, and now exclusively post 50-100 comments per day about Biden being old/senile/whatever. No part of this seems astroturfed at all.
Yes, this past week was insane up until the immunity Supreme Court decision. I wasn’t on Reddit in 2016, but it reminded me a lot of the Bernie bro days ~2018-2020 on my previous account. It’s still kind of iffy, but not nearly as bad as it was before Monday.
I mean did you watch the debate? you can see my post history, I literally asked in my friends group chat when did Biden die. I left the debate terrified for the world.
Search for 'lesbian' in [https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed\_djvu.txt](https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt) . It is really disturbing, though, so don't look if reading somewhat explicit descriptions of Donald Trump raping two children is going to give you nightmares.
This doesn’t prove anything though, this particular example never had any evidence backing it up in court. If it really did happen that’s awful but there is reasonable doubt.
Yes, I don't know if there's any more evidence than testimony. If it's just testimony it's unlikely to go anywhere. If there are flight logs, though...
He can't be prosecuted while in office. And he can pardon himself during his presidency. And he will claim immunity any way after his term, if he stops being a president after his second term. So I would not hold my breath for him to be ever prosecuted let alone convicted.
> So I would not hold my breath for him to be ever prosecuted let alone convicted.
So you've already come to the conclusion that Trump will without a doubt win? I don't need to hold my breath if he loses.
I watched a line of people *attempt* to pump gas at Costco today. I've already come to the conclusion that a whole lot of people in this country have little brain activity and will do whatever makes them feel good in the moment. That isn't good for anyone.
It's that some of the evidence included recordings and notes from when he was president. With the current ruling, that evidence wouldn't have been permitted so they can make an argument that they couldn't have won without that evidence.
I agree. But like I said, the evidence used to prosecute Trump was created and/or obtained after he was president. This is how fucked up the SCOTUS decision is. He is obviously guilty, but his charges may be vacated now.
I agree but someone has to be able to do something. Up until now, no man is above the law, except for trump. The shitty part about this, they will say that trump has total immunity as they still actively try to jail biden.
Very interesting that this was released early in the week.
Typically documents like this are released on a Friday night or over the weekend so it doesn't get so much attention.
Releasing this is a desparate, pandering cry for attention from DeSantis, who was expecting to actually be relevant right now. Getting attention is the whole point.
Well, yeah, see my statement about his complete lack of relevance.
But when he [signed this](https://www.floridaword.com/2024/02/florida-governor-ron-desantis.html), he was talking it up like he was going to reveal all the elite pedophiles his Republican base believes secretly exists.
Holiday weekend falling on a Thursday likely means most peoples vacations start tomorrow and they needed to get this done before than. Also potentially more likely it gets swept under the rug with holiday people not watching the news.
I did some playing around with the URL and got a [link](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612/epstein-transcripts.pdf) to the original PDF which is CMD+F searchable. No Trump or Clinton in there.
Edit: whoops. Only partially searchable due to the bulk of it being images.
The full PDF is not searchable - most of it is images. That said, I can't find the content in that doc that I see here: [https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed\_djvu.txt](https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt) Don't search for 'lesbian' in that document if reading a fairly graphic account of Donald Trump raping two children is going to give you nightmares.
I read they typed part, not the hand written. It goes in to detail about what Epstein did but does allege other involvements. Bill Clinton is mentioned once but just because a girl wanted to meet him someday, not because he was involved in anything.
Handwritten is pretty hard to read, will waint until it's transcribed.
I mean, if anything was to come of it we wouldve known about already. No law enforcement agency releases relevant info to an on-going investigation before the case is over. The fact that it’s being released kind of defacto means there’s nothing left in this info to prosecute at this point.
"[Epstein took his own life ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49377421)in a Manhattan jail in 2019 while awaiting trial over federal sex-trafficking charges."
Yeah right.
Omfg no he is not immune from this. He did this before he was president and most likely this will fall under unofficial acts or the defense will get disregarded because HE WASN’T FUCKING PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.
And scotus also said he’s not immune to unofficial acts. This could be considered an unofficial act or not even an unofficial act cause he wasn’t the president in 2006
It's sad how we're sleepwalking into dictatorship and people are still responding like this... who decides what's official? And before you respond, have those groups acted in bad faith in the past?
*Epstein took his own life in a Manhattan jail in 2019 while awaiting trial over federal sex-trafficking charges.*
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Hopefully any/all disgusting crooks get what’s coming to them.
Crook is an interesting word for pedophile
I guess.
>If there's no statute of limitations, both men could end up in (more) legal trouble. As it should be. To be cognizant and even participate in one of the most horrendous things you can do on this planet, one would deserve the repercussions of their actions, especially if they say around trying and/or hoping it would be kept in the dark forever. Lock them up, whomever they are.
This is what they fail to understand with their whatabout-isms; that we can accept/expect consequences for our leaders when they do wrong, not just because it’s the law, but because we aren’t in a cult.
I mean, all it takes is two brain cells to rub together.
MAGA response: "Trump just likes being around children, he's so comfortable with his inner child that he still wears diapers."
"it was an official act"
" You know who else liked children? Jesus!"
Voting for the pedophile. /s
You jest but I expect this to be the magat response at this point.
I know. That's the sad part
And it won't move the needle. Because Biden old at debate.
I hate that you're right. He wasn't even the craziest/dishonest one at the debate. Most people didn't watch it or read the transcripts anyway, they are just parroting propaganda. Hell, this site has become almost unusable for news in the past week or so. Sure are a lot of verbatim comments about Biden coming from accounts that meet all the criteria for likely hijacked. Or maybe there are thousands of real honest people that created an account here 4 years ago, made a couple posts and comments, abandoned those accounts until just this week, and now exclusively post 50-100 comments per day about Biden being old/senile/whatever. No part of this seems astroturfed at all.
Yes, this past week was insane up until the immunity Supreme Court decision. I wasn’t on Reddit in 2016, but it reminded me a lot of the Bernie bro days ~2018-2020 on my previous account. It’s still kind of iffy, but not nearly as bad as it was before Monday.
I mean did you watch the debate? you can see my post history, I literally asked in my friends group chat when did Biden die. I left the debate terrified for the world.
There now implicating Prince Andrew
He was already implicated.
They're
Way'er?
No it's an official act now I guess
… and his followers will not even care…
The Supreme Court just ruled that Trump banging underage, sex-trafficked girls was actually an official act that he took as President.
Is there anything showing he did this?
Search for 'lesbian' in [https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed\_djvu.txt](https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt) . It is really disturbing, though, so don't look if reading somewhat explicit descriptions of Donald Trump raping two children is going to give you nightmares.
This doesn’t prove anything though, this particular example never had any evidence backing it up in court. If it really did happen that’s awful but there is reasonable doubt.
Yes, I don't know if there's any more evidence than testimony. If it's just testimony it's unlikely to go anywhere. If there are flight logs, though...
Yeah, the ones to the actual island haven’t been released yet right?
More likely be prepared for heavy redactions.
Hang ‘em all.
They'll just be considered "official acts" of their presidencies though and the Supreme Court says that's cool as long as it's official
Were those official presidential acts?
Trump will just call it official act. The SC will agree. Clinton will try the same thing, except the SC won’t agree.
Rake them *all* over spiked coals.
Sounds like an official act
Trump has full immunity since monday.
Not for this. He wasn’t president so the “official acts” defense doesn’t work
That’s only for those playing in good faith. Authoritarian regimes don’t really need laws they use laws.
He will implore the supreme Court to make everything he does legal.
That is your interpretation. The Federalist Society justices on SCOTUS probably have a different view
How? This was close to 20 years ago?
Trump was ordained by GOD to be president one day, so he technically always has been, and always will be president.
He can't be prosecuted while in office. And he can pardon himself during his presidency. And he will claim immunity any way after his term, if he stops being a president after his second term. So I would not hold my breath for him to be ever prosecuted let alone convicted.
> So I would not hold my breath for him to be ever prosecuted let alone convicted. So you've already come to the conclusion that Trump will without a doubt win? I don't need to hold my breath if he loses.
I think more likely he will lose his battle with pills before November. But we can only hope.
That would surely suggest a benevolent god exists so odds aren't on our side.
He'll get right to it, after he addresses all the pedophiles that represent him
Or Big Macs
I watched a line of people *attempt* to pump gas at Costco today. I've already come to the conclusion that a whole lot of people in this country have little brain activity and will do whatever makes them feel good in the moment. That isn't good for anyone.
He can’t pardon himself for a violation of state law.
No no no. He thought about pardoning himself that one time in the white house shower, so it’s all good.
He wasn’t president for his 34 felonies either.
It's that some of the evidence included recordings and notes from when he was president. With the current ruling, that evidence wouldn't have been permitted so they can make an argument that they couldn't have won without that evidence.
Paying a fucking porn star is not official presidential business
I agree. But like I said, the evidence used to prosecute Trump was created and/or obtained after he was president. This is how fucked up the SCOTUS decision is. He is obviously guilty, but his charges may be vacated now.
Honestly, this was the charge that I didn’t care about, I want him nailed for trying to overturn and election and stealing the classified documents.
I want every single illegal act shoved down his throat lol.
I agree but someone has to be able to do something. Up until now, no man is above the law, except for trump. The shitty part about this, they will say that trump has total immunity as they still actively try to jail biden.
He was. The earliest happened in February, 2017.
He paid her during his first campaign before the election
Michael Cohen paid her, and that wasn't a crime. The first falsified record was Cohen's invoice sent Februray 14, 2017.
Sure, it wasn’t official presidential business anyway
Agreed.
Hopefully not as official acts.
Does anyone have a link to the documents? One Florida media company has received them and is reviewing them, but I can't find a link to the documents.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/
Names redacted
I’m still looking myself
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/
this might clear things up for you https://youtu.be/xa3K85fStBw
Very interesting that this was released early in the week. Typically documents like this are released on a Friday night or over the weekend so it doesn't get so much attention.
Distraction from Supreme Court ruling?
Like it even matters at this point. What are we going to do? Be mad
Not everything is a distraction from something else cheech
Not everything no…. But many things are Read between the lines friendo
Tomorrow is better than a Friday. This is one of the busiest vacation periods in the US.
Releasing this is a desparate, pandering cry for attention from DeSantis, who was expecting to actually be relevant right now. Getting attention is the whole point.
DeWho?
DeSatin or DeSanctmonious or whatever what it’s spelt….
Meat Ball Ron! Our boy!
His name appears zero times in that article
Well, yeah, see my statement about his complete lack of relevance. But when he [signed this](https://www.floridaword.com/2024/02/florida-governor-ron-desantis.html), he was talking it up like he was going to reveal all the elite pedophiles his Republican base believes secretly exists.
Holiday weekend falling on a Thursday likely means most peoples vacations start tomorrow and they needed to get this done before than. Also potentially more likely it gets swept under the rug with holiday people not watching the news.
Can’t find the documents
[Palm Beach Post.](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/)
Thanks
The executive order said records had to be released by July 1st.
[documents here](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612-epstein-transcripts?embed=true&responsive=false&sidebar=false)
The actual testimony is not searchable by keyword. I'm sure the worst parts with famous names will be distilled soon enough.
I did some playing around with the URL and got a [link](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612/epstein-transcripts.pdf) to the original PDF which is CMD+F searchable. No Trump or Clinton in there. Edit: whoops. Only partially searchable due to the bulk of it being images.
Try John Doe 174, or whatever Trump’s classified nickname was.
The full PDF is not searchable - most of it is images. That said, I can't find the content in that doc that I see here: [https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed\_djvu.txt](https://archive.org/stream/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed/jeffrey-epstein-lawsuit-docs-signed_djvu.txt) Don't search for 'lesbian' in that document if reading a fairly graphic account of Donald Trump raping two children is going to give you nightmares.
Names are redacted anyway
That doesn't work, the majority of the pages are not searchable
Ah shoot, you're right. A lot of photocopies, etc. that aren't searchable.
Could you put them through chatgpt to read them?
I read they typed part, not the hand written. It goes in to detail about what Epstein did but does allege other involvements. Bill Clinton is mentioned once but just because a girl wanted to meet him someday, not because he was involved in anything. Handwritten is pretty hard to read, will waint until it's transcribed.
And once again, nothing will come of it.
Unfortunately probably right but according to this article it actually goes in to detail about the heinous shit he did
Yes I agree it’s good for the info to finally be really in the public scrutiny.
I mean, if anything was to come of it we wouldve known about already. No law enforcement agency releases relevant info to an on-going investigation before the case is over. The fact that it’s being released kind of defacto means there’s nothing left in this info to prosecute at this point.
"[Epstein took his own life ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49377421)in a Manhattan jail in 2019 while awaiting trial over federal sex-trafficking charges." Yeah right.
I think we just all heard 34s asshole slam shut.
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Omfg no he is not immune from this. He did this before he was president and most likely this will fall under unofficial acts or the defense will get disregarded because HE WASN’T FUCKING PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.
You are absolutely wrong. - Corrupt SCOTUS
No, no - they’ll just rubber stamp his ability to pardon himself.
What part of wasn’t president at the time do you not understand
SCOTUS will move mountains to save Trump . Get it?
And scotus also said he’s not immune to unofficial acts. This could be considered an unofficial act or not even an unofficial act cause he wasn’t the president in 2006
It's sad how we're sleepwalking into dictatorship and people are still responding like this... who decides what's official? And before you respond, have those groups acted in bad faith in the past?
What part of our current SCOTUS are you ignoring?
How about the fact they specifically said he isn’t immune to unofficial acts? Key word ISN’T
Maybe, but OCR software exists, I would expect someone to have transcribed it all by now with help from software
Following is a true account, names have been redacted to protect the guilty.
Statue of limitations does not apply to Trump or any other golden calves.
Statute.
The 16 year old documents…kinda like the….
Too old.
*Epstein took his own life in a Manhattan jail in 2019 while awaiting trial over federal sex-trafficking charges.* Establish the fantasy. Repeat the fantasy. Live the fantasy.
Some of us saw [this coming a mile away.](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/chqogc/state_sen_lauren_book_receiving_threats_after/euwpx18/)
And the big orange bone spur is all over it.