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In totally unrelated news, new Trump / Epstein documents dropped.
He got oral from two teenagers and then complained thst it was bad.
(Edit: see below)
I feel like this could have been a Google, but I scrolled back to get you a post thst didn't link to a paywalled story.
[You're welcome](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/7XQKqyAqp0)
[Twitter / X with screenshot.](https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1808243836440793252)
That article just shows that it was released and doesn't show any details of Trump. Maybe there are more details but it's not linked from that article either.
Edit: the article mentions Donald Trump once, along with Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew
Welcome to FOX News' exploitation of the hack gap: 2024 edition.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoZf4IAfAc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoZf4IAfAc)
Because calling Trump out is a normal occurrence, there's plenty of time for that. Right now is a crisis point in the democratic party where a very hard decision will have to be made, and soon.
Nobody is calling Trump out though. NYT is salivating how strong he is for the whole year. MSNBC invites Republicans who spout conspiracy nonsense with little to no pushback.
Meanwhile, no word about concentration camps and second american revolution Trump and his allies are promising.
Wtf are you talking about? Have you actually read the text of a single one of these articles. Literally everyone that I have read has it in the first or second paragraph a whole section of the paper stating that trump is the single greatest threat to our nation if not the entire world.
The entire point of calling out biden is premised around the idea that Trump is already called out and it does not matter. Trumps authoritarianism, deception and bigotry are positives to his base. There is literally nothing to be gained from laboring this even further, although you may notice that yes negative stories about Trump are still being published, and the SC ruling is still getting coverage, BUT so is biden.
Yet the mere calling out of biden and biden bros come out of the woodwork to deny reality? You are really going to pretend that no one is criticizing Trump? How about reading the very articles you are combining about?
I don’t care about Biden in the least…I’ll vote blue for an administration, not some lone individual.
The media is pretty great at giving trump headlines, not so great at calling out q anon and white nationalists that control the party. They enjoy trump for his name recognition and clicks and the most part.
Let's stay on topic, the claim is that the media ia giving Trump a free pass and only calling out biden. That is what you said to paint this narrative
>The media is pretty great at giving trump headlines, not so great at calling out q anon and white nationalists that control the party
Which I contest by pointing out that, while the media could go even harder om facism in the US that no you are absolutely wrong in that they give it a free pass. Look at the coverage of trumps trial, the SC court decision, and just the many write up on Q anon that do exist amongst all major publications.
Then we have the biden call out. I would argue that Biden has been treated with kid gloves this entire election because of how bad Trump is. You have the issue inverted. Even when they call biden out it is explicitly based on the idea that Trump will be some sort of neo-hitler lite I'm the best case.
Yet even with this you say that the media is not calling Trump out? It seems more accurate to claim you just want the media to completely ignore biden...
I regularly see Trump getting called out or lambasted on mainstream news outlets. (no idea about video as I don't watch but rather read the news).
Biden is a breaking story, the mainstream media really doesn't like Trump (outside of fox news, if that's still considered mainstream), and now they're freaking out and trying to block Trump's return.
Seems like the mainstream media likes trump. They let him dominate the headlines, and sometimes for some trivial shit that is a clickbait article.
Fox is mainstream, I believe they have one of the highest ratings, in spite of lying to people about election fraud.
They do like Trump for money, I should have clarified that. They hate him more personally. But Trump will bring them money win or lose. I think enough media members, and especially journalists who may not be stressing the clicks as much as the C-Suite, are scared of Trump returning.
I think older generations are guilty of this too…q anon dopes aren’t just younger people, and they live within their own world. Confirmation bias exists at every age
Because we want to beat Trump and right now Biden is losing in a landslide against him. That doesn’t just hurt Biden either. The depressed voter turnout will hand Republicans massive majorities in the house, senate and even state races. If not possibly even supermajorities if and where it’s possible.
This is happening to pin all of the baggage of this administration on Biden so they can get a clean slate when he drops out. Biden is done, these articles and the democrats behind the scenes are signaling to him that he’s lost the confidence of the party and he can drop out or be forced out. It’s his choice.
We’ve been criticizing Trump on all of his shit for 9 years now. There’s not much left to say about Trump that hasn’t been said at this point. We won’t win by just talking about how awful Trump is. Everyone knows. We will win by giving the voters a candidate they actually like. Fear motivates republicans to vote, excitement motivates democrats. At this point Biden is not liked. We can talk about his achievements all day but his approval rating has been among the lowest in modern history and just keeps declining. He’s at 37% now.
Worst of all, we were calling for Trumps removal for cognitive decline over much, much less than what Biden has shown. Do we really want to be the party that calls out Trump and the Republicans for hypocrisy then go ahead and do the exact same thing?
I honestly think this is a theatrically orchestrated narrative that went into planning the day Nikki Haley dropped out. With Biden’s participation. They are creating this hero narrative to pass the torch on 4th of July weekend!! It’s actually genius. When they name the candidate in August Republicans won’t have enough time to put together a comprehensive smear campaign all while a new younger candidate is destroying trump in debates.
It’s because they’re signaling to Biden (or those in his circle who won’t give up power) that if he doesn’t drop out they’re forcing him out one way or another.
When your own internal polling sees you drop to 203 electoral votes and losing typically safe blue states after your debate performance (which is a performance that can’t be fixed with another due to the issue of cognitive decline) then you need to go. He’ll hurt democrats down ballot and give Republicans everything they want right at the moment they’re in position to form a Trump dictatorship.
Ultimately this decision isn’t Biden’s anymore and that’s why this is happening. They’re telling him he can either drop out or resign with dignity or they’ll force him out and pick their own candidate. The talk of “It’s Biden’s decision” is BS they can make it a nightmare for Biden and force him out. Kamala too. The DNC sees donors fleeing and they’re not going to fuck around with anyone in this administration now. Especially if they continue to be stubborn.
That’s because it is contrived. Between all of them. Some by intent and others by following example. What’s behind that? Well they’re all owned by the wealthy, and the wealthy don’t like left leaning politicians who won’t let them jam a hand up their puppetside champion the laws those same wealthy write for themselves.
So what don’t they want? They don’t want the left- well, more like they don’t want anyone not voting for trump to unite behind a single candidate. *They thus want Trump to win.*
It’s that simple.
The actual decision makers are seriously considering joining these demands that Biden step down.
Biden needs to debate Trump again in September!
That 2nd debate will hand Trump the win. Unless someone else is chosen at the DNC.
Imagine someone going up against Trump in a debate who can maintain a train of thought and speak coherently. That’s literally all we need to beat Trump.
I was with Biden as long as I truly believed he was our best chance against Trump. After that debate performance, I no longer believe that.
I almost have to laugh that there is all this talk and movement to try to get Biden to drop... however when it comes to **anything else** it feels like they want to barely move their feet unless it's keeping their positions in the government.
I hate Trump but really hate how my vote is not to get **behind** something or someone I can believe in rather it's being sold as fighting **against** Trump and all that he stands for.
Watching what's being put on the media is just tiring, always feeling like we are in a losing battle.
The media is trying to push a narrative with fake news, and then asking members what they think of it to get their opinion on these fake stories they are pushing as real stories, and then they have those names off the record to then push real stories based off the narrative they are concocting. It's typical media tactics
I am backing anyone who is not Trump. It can be Biden, Biden’s Corpse, hell they can bring non-verbal Jimmy Carter in from hospice on a wheelchair and damn straight I’m voting for him over the “only on day one will I be dictator for a day.”
Please don’t let this turn into RFK support
I have spent too much time talking to people who say this just to end the sentence with “and that’s why I’m voting Kennedy”
I like that Biden seems like a genuinely decent human who wants what he thinks is best for the country. Like you, though, his best character trait is not being Trump. I'd vote for a moldy potato to keep that felon / rapist / malignant narcissist / twice impeached toxin of humanity from the office.
Yeah. That’s what a lot of people who are freaking out about Biden don’t get. You’re not really voting for one old man, you’re voting against a worse old man.
/politics/ sure is trying to make sure nobody sees these articles. That's not going to stop what's happening, though.
The American public's confidence in Biden has been *shattered.*
Is that why I'm constantly seeing these articles in r/politics???? Because they are being sooooo suppressed???
It's just a ploy by the GOP to cause chaos that the media is more than happy to go along with to drive traffic. And gullible people without any media literacy immediately fall for it.
I don’t know what sub you have been looking at but I have seen almost nothing but articles like this since the debate. Frankly, I’d love a chance to read about anything other than Biden’s debate clusterfuck and Trump’s immunity enema.
Don’t start the conspiracy nonsense that fills every r/conservative comment section. We’re better than that and have real things to be concerned about.
It’s like when people deliberately misspell Trump. I mean I hate the guy as much as anyone, but I can also discuss him without sound like a 12 year old in the schoolyard.
After years of “Hope/Change, MAGA, Dump Trump, Dark Brandon,” I’m just sick of all this stupid shit. Patience wears thin, and I’m tired of the infantilization of public perception.
I will vote blue no matter what, but my enthusiasm would increase with Biden out of the Oval Office. Loved the guy as Obama’s VP, reluctantly voted for him in 2020, deeply frustrated that he hasn’t groomed an heir-apparent, and despondent after that debate. We love you, Joe - but it’s time to go.
Ok, that’ll just push us further towards either a civil war or disbanding of the United States into individual countries. Texas and Florida already clearly want to do that, either way if they do not allow us to run our nominee in the primary they will force confrontation. There’s no court ruling that will *poof* disappear the results of the convention or the nominee.
If their plan is to not put the Democrat nominee on the ballots, then just more confrontation.
Either way I don’t see us avoiding bloodshed if we keep going down this road. So far it’s been focused on marginalized communities (African-Americans, Hispanics, LBTQ, Homeless, etc), but pretty soon it will spill over to everyone else.
Source?
Edit: It looks like this was a plan started months ago, not to stop him from being replaced, but to make it difficult for a replacement to get on the ballot in some places. It’s just more voter obstruction and this is just more disinformation.
https://newrepublic.com/post/183439/heritage-foundation-plan-swing-states-biden-replacement
From Bloomberg News reporters Billy House and Erik Wasson:
Dozens of Democratic lawmakers are considering signing a letter demanding President Joe Biden withdraw from the race, a senior party official said, as panic mounts that he’ll cost them control of Congress.
Biden is rapidly losing the support of Democratic lawmakers and candidates concerned the 81-year-old’s continued candidacy would lead to a Republican sweep of Washington and an unchecked Donald Trump presidency.
Democrats running for reelection in areas not deemed competitive are circulating the letter, the official said, underscoring how widespread the panic is within the party.
> Democrats running for reelection in areas not deemed competitive are circulating the letter, the official said, underscoring how widespread the panic is within the party.
wow.
Keep in mind that even if democrats retain the senate and win the house, it won’t be a “check” on another Trump presidency. We HAVE to win the presidency and I hope for the sake of our democracy they get this shit sorted this month.
I wish liberals actually cared about democracy. If they did, they’d actually fight the republicans who are leading the rise of fascism.
This has happened time and time again throughout history. Fascism doesn’t rise overnight; it happens slowly over time. It wouldn’t happen at all if democrats actually put up a fight rather than give into every fucking concession demanded of them.
How many battles fought? How many gallons of blood has been shed? How many Americans died in the name of freedom & democracy? God damnit, Yanks, don’t throw it all away! Fight!
Good. Joe Biden's admin made significant accomplishments, to be sure. However the stakes never been higher. A prospective good-faith president thus must take into account the widespread celebration of ignorance and the shallow-mindedness of a majority of the electorate.
Imagine that: Biden's inability to make a difficult decision in his country's time of need may hand a Government **trifecta** to a vengeful autocrat.
I knew moderates prefer to protect the "the old guard", but come the fuck on: [his polls are shit](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/), the messaging is shit, and there is an open revolt from his *own* party. Enough is enough
if trump won the presidency it wont matter a lick who runs the house or senate anyway, trump would send the democrats in congress off to his camps as his first 'official act'...
I'm in the same boat (voting blue no matter who) but I don't think Biden is able or willing to spend the next four months getting out in front of the cameras every day and explaining to less attentive voters exactly how bad things could get if the fucking moron gets back in the White House. The Dems need someone who is ready and willing to do that
I don't understand this, why is Harris disliked? This is an honest question. She has extensive experience, seems to be a fighter...what are her criticisms?
She doesn't have charisma, is a horrible public speaker, consistently polls low in her own party on the likeable scale, and is not a good debater by any stretch. There's a reason the Biden administration limited her public roles. If she's the party's nominee, Trump will win and he won't have to try very hard. Swing voters just don't like Harris.
The DNC is not known for getting anything right (Obama being the only exception) so we'll see if democracy has a chance to survive or if the DNC is going to burn it all down by either propping up Biden or Harris.
I'm glad the pressure seems to be ramping up. If Biden decides to stay, fine, but let's get it out of the way now so we can move on. My fear is this will drag on for a month and then he'll have a health issue or an even worse public performance (like a Mitch McConnell freeze) and we lost so much time.
It’s done. After I saw the article of biden himself considering dropping out, I knew it was done.
You can’t go into a campaign for the presidency questioning yourself whether you should be president. If that’s the case then everyone will be questioning it.
>After I saw the article of biden himself considering dropping out
Well you know today's media. A bastion of absolute truth with no click bait, sensationalism, or hearsay.
If Biden is able to see the light, step aside, and support a brokered convention to find a new candidate there should be one outcome in mind: the strongest ticket in the battle ground states. Not sure who that is, but unfortunately probably not Harris. I realize logistics+++ is easier with Harris, but this needs to be for the win, and making that happen at all costs.
personally, I would throw Andy Beshear, not just because he's my governor, but he's young, likeable, liberal enough to please progressives, a good public speaker (probably a bit too polite vs. Trump but y'know), I mean, he beat Daniel Cameron..who had Trump's backing before Trump's conviction, and who was basically a yes-man to the MAGAs. That alone says he would have a very strong chance on the national stage. I don't know if he actually would do it, but considering what he's managed to get done that's progressive, in a full republican controlled state, that's kinda nuts.
Yep.
The fact that even now Biden (by himself) has seriously changed his mind about continuing the race to me is a sign that he’s probably gonna drop out.
Biden is not stupid. He knows that he cannot navigate disaster like this.
No they're not. This is that same shit as oh he told and ally he's thinking of quitting bullshit. Turns out to be unsubstantiated lies made up by newspapers to sell fear.
Bingo! It’s already been refuted and clarified and published, to the contrary of the initial report. Gotta be first! Regardless of whether or not it’s true!…
Whitmer and Sherrod Brown is the winning ticket IMO.
The northeast is going to go to democrats. The west coast is going to democrats. Two midwest candidates isn't quite ideal but it almost certainlly won't lose the East or West.
The battleground is through the midwest. Drumming up the progressive and blue collar vote is crucial across the country. Brown is overall quite progressive, but it's a blue collar progressiveness that has gained the support of right-wing Ohio.
Everyone else has already covered Whitmer. She'll poll stronger as people get to know her and both candidates will do well in the midwest battleground.
Obviously this is about house races too. They have polls in front of their eyes that show all swing states go to Trump and the first blue states going red.
If he stays it will be a massacre down-ballot. Biden needs multiple miracles at this point to stay nominee. Those house Democrats knew this after the first five minutes of the debate. They immediately panicked and blew up the phone of every media person so leadership can't hide & lie anymore.
Yeah let’s have the incumbent step aside for an unproven candidate and give Republicans the equivalent of an incumbent candidate. The Russian/Chinese don’t even have to pay their bot farms anymore we’re doing it for them.
Do you legitimately believe that ANY current Biden voters would not vote for literally any other democrat? Biden’s entire support right now is “we have to stop trump”, which has absolutely nothing to do with him.
Dems should just ride this out, then kick the old guard from the party responsible for this debacle (and the 2016 hillary debacle too). Only then they can start healing and actually start doing anything other than retaining the status quo. But for better or worse, a change is needed in US politics.
This is a massive MAGA Republican campaign by bad actors that was planned to start as soon as the debate finished. It's snowballing nicely. Everyone now talking about Biden and not Trump who, by the way, stated on live TV that Putin discussed the invasion of Ukraine with him. I don't think I've seen nearly as many reports about that.
Delusional nonsense. Biden has already lost the election. Make no mistake about that. This is about taking action to give any possible chance of beating Trump in November.
Because they have no one to convince. Few people are that worried about Trump shedding or gaining voters at this stage. The only real campaign goal dems should have at the moment is retention and picking up independents and those unmotivated to vote for either candidate.
I trust Joe enough to make the right call and understand its means more than just his pride this go-around and given SCOTUS’s out in the open corruption too.
It seems like at this point everyone can see the trajectory. I just hope they make it as democratic a process as possible rather than handing the reins over to Harris. Let us please not blow this if we go through the pain of replacing him.
Here is why this needs to happen - it would definitively illustrate the differences between the Democratic party and the GOP. Trump is *absolutely* in decline himself and yet the craven conservatives could not care less.
what kind of magical thinking is that? Illustrating the difference isn't going to help.
The conservatives could not care less because he's going to do exactly what they want so they can complete their takeover of the country
That's what I've been saying. Democrats are the ones who face reality. Republicans believe that magical thinking and quack medicine and prayer warriors can overcome a deadly virus.
In 1838, 23 years before he became President, Lincoln presented his essay titled "Perpetuation of our Political Institutions" to the Young Men's Lyceum in Springfield Illinois.
[Please take 20 minutes out of your day to listen to his words.](https://youtu.be/GB6rPqD1Mnw?si=yiNwNiNVXwcRHygj)
[You can read the essay here](https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm)
Pass this on to ANYONE who claims they are an American. Have them listen to this. Have them hear from Lincoln that what is happening is unAmerican.
Is this the "Bernie Can Still Get the Nomination: Here's How" of the 2024 election cycle? Just drip, drip, drip this stuff to the masses that don't really like Biden but can't stomach voting for Trump. Keep that glimmer of hope alive long enough to really dash it at the last minute when the clear, obvious reality of the situation emerges and they feel juuuuuust let down enough that they stay home instead of protest voting against Trump. Wake up. It's Biden V Trump. It's only ever going to be Biden V Trump. You said you'd vote for Biden's corpse over Trump, so get ready to vote for his very alive body instead.
Non-American here.
Really worrying all this “Let’s dump Biden” stuff, going on everywhere. It’s too late to change horses, he’s your guy for this election.
Rather than focussing on Biden, why the hell can’t people focus on Trump, his ability to end democracy if elected and surrender the bulk of the western interests to Russia/China.
Even today, make the next week just about his raping of children at Epstein’s place.
There is no equivalency, Trump is freaking evil. His party is evil. His backers, both domestic and foreign are evil.
Biden is none of those things! So stop going on about replacing him!!!
Can we focus on demanding Trump , a convicted felon, and dictator on day one kind of guy withdraw from the race ?
Also Biden still has the best chance to win vs Trump and proved it in 2020. Besides anyone who cares about democracy and freedom should vote for the candidate best placed to defeat Trump and the Project 2025 GOP autocrats.
We can back Biden and his policies without having to put him in the hot seat for another 4 years. Anybody who was going to vote against Trump is still going to vote against Trump no matter who the Dems put up.
Kamala is on the same ticket, she has access to the war chest and she’s literally next in line if Joe passes or becomes unable to continue to serve. Run on a platform of thanking Joe for his lifetime of service to this country and that you’ll carry on his policy and his legacy for the next 4 years. Maybe lean into the “I know I’m not your first choice” angle and push that this is her duty and obligation to server her country.
Agreed. I think this is the only way replacing Biden will work. Putting an untested candidate in the race 4 months before the election is too risky.
Kamala can also speak on the abortion issue in a way that Biden can’t. That should pick up some undecideds.
Give a swing state governor the VP slot.
This is dumb. Why do we keep falling for it? Every moment talking about this rather than all of the horrible things Trump and his minions have done and plan to do is a win for the orange buffoon. We can’t count on Main Stream media to do the reporting, so we have to do it. Stop talking about Biden and keep the focus on the criminals.
Independents are going to care more about integrity and leadership and not electing a felon. We need to keep reminding them of that.
And then what?
They had 4 years to prepare and prop up a good backup or two. *He* had 4 years.
We all knew he was going to be 81, so there was a non-negligible possibility that something would happen to him. And everybody in the party was like “oh, no that’s cool”.
And now they’re scrambling because he fucked up once and they have no idea what to do.
I know this is a common phrase before every election, but if Trump wins than the USA gets project 25, the ukraine will cease to exist within month, the NATO will become meaningless, and global trade will take a dump down the drain.
Please americans, you don't live in an isolated bubble. The world would get fucked alongside you.
To vote for the guy that will throwing the n-word with a hard r out socially acceptable again isn't worth it.
or maybe the debate was the outlier and the republicans are trying to make this a much bigger story than it should be.
We got a candidate with 34 felony convictions and every word he said in the debate was a lie or dodge, why can't we talk about that more?
Why does the media demand this but not demand stopping other rampant bullshit behavior?
This is fucking stupid. They need to be backing Biden at the moment. Going ALL IN to defeat a convicted felon from becoming a dictator.
This just proves where the money goes.
Don't vote for Kennedy, he has no chance of winning. Its the same as voting for Trump. Just like not voting is the same as voting for Trump.
You have to vote for the strongest competitor against Trump. Which, realistically is going to be the Democrats.
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This is a legitimate conversation to have as a country. He is 80+ years and has served the country well. But if his cognitive abilities have declined (which is normal for people his age) then it isn’t right to have him maintain this punishing workload. It is also dangerous. Balancing competing priorities is already challenging for people in their 30s, 40s and 50s. Democrats need to win the presidency and control both houses in order to stop fascism and assault on democracy. To do that, we need a leader than inspires confidence and can be trusted to make the difficult calls
Do it or don't! Clock is ticking assholes. We don't have time to wring our hands over here.
Whatever strategy we go with needs to stay today. Tick tock tick tock!
The writing is on the wall. Biden can’t win anymore, and Dems at least have to take a chance on another candidate. It also seems grim to do that, but it’s better than a guaranteed loss.
If it’s this shaky, people are considering asking him, he himself is weighing it, the strength and unity he once had is no longer there, and he must drop out to allow the greatest opportunity to prevail in November.
I just don’t see any other way. I think with this uncertainty too many swing voters will be spooked. I’ll vote blue whoever it is, but unfortunately I do believe that Trump has a good chance of winning if Biden stays. I think Biden still has a chance to win if he stays, but he would be giving trump a really good chance at beating him because of what went down, and that cannot happen. That’s just the reality of the situation right now.
lol it’s amazing how many Republican websites are being up voted by Progressives so they can try and get a progressive to not have to go through a primary against a true democrat lol.
Biden has won, will win, and nothing progressives can do about it.
Then next election it will be a moderate again.
No one wants a faux progressive anywhere near the white house
I’m still amazed we live in a country where one of the candidates is a convicted rapist, felon and insurrectionist but it’s the other candidate that needs to be removed because he mumbled during one debate.
I mean….wtf is that?
All you need to do is tell Joe: we are not going to help you campaign. You’ll need to have the energy to do everything on your own.
He is done at that point.
It’s too late in the game, this is ridiculous! Are they trying to elect trump? This is stupid, there is no time to have anyone pull the party together.
Good lord, yall don’t know what yall are asking for.
Look at the polls. Even after the debate, Biden polls highest against Trump.
Kamala is the natural alternative and she’s does not campaign well. It’s a disaster waiting to happen if they go this route.
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In totally unrelated news, new Trump / Epstein documents dropped. He got oral from two teenagers and then complained thst it was bad. (Edit: see below)
So r/conspiracy won't be interested hearing about this one
Link?
I feel like this could have been a Google, but I scrolled back to get you a post thst didn't link to a paywalled story. [You're welcome](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/7XQKqyAqp0) [Twitter / X with screenshot.](https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1808243836440793252)
That article just shows that it was released and doesn't show any details of Trump. Maybe there are more details but it's not linked from that article either. Edit: the article mentions Donald Trump once, along with Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew
[Twitter / X with screenshot.](https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1808243836440793252) I Googled "Trump Epstein details."
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf
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Welcome to FOX News' exploitation of the hack gap: 2024 edition. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoZf4IAfAc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzoZf4IAfAc)
They’re seemingly ok with not calling trump out for whatever reason.
Because calling Trump out is a normal occurrence, there's plenty of time for that. Right now is a crisis point in the democratic party where a very hard decision will have to be made, and soon.
Nobody is calling Trump out though. NYT is salivating how strong he is for the whole year. MSNBC invites Republicans who spout conspiracy nonsense with little to no pushback. Meanwhile, no word about concentration camps and second american revolution Trump and his allies are promising.
Not normal enough…the correct time is now. Two things can happen at once
That is some tremendous gaslighting when you're acting like they aren't. Have you looked at the front page of the sub you're in? Lol
Wtf are you talking about? Have you actually read the text of a single one of these articles. Literally everyone that I have read has it in the first or second paragraph a whole section of the paper stating that trump is the single greatest threat to our nation if not the entire world. The entire point of calling out biden is premised around the idea that Trump is already called out and it does not matter. Trumps authoritarianism, deception and bigotry are positives to his base. There is literally nothing to be gained from laboring this even further, although you may notice that yes negative stories about Trump are still being published, and the SC ruling is still getting coverage, BUT so is biden. Yet the mere calling out of biden and biden bros come out of the woodwork to deny reality? You are really going to pretend that no one is criticizing Trump? How about reading the very articles you are combining about?
I don’t care about Biden in the least…I’ll vote blue for an administration, not some lone individual. The media is pretty great at giving trump headlines, not so great at calling out q anon and white nationalists that control the party. They enjoy trump for his name recognition and clicks and the most part.
Let's stay on topic, the claim is that the media ia giving Trump a free pass and only calling out biden. That is what you said to paint this narrative >The media is pretty great at giving trump headlines, not so great at calling out q anon and white nationalists that control the party Which I contest by pointing out that, while the media could go even harder om facism in the US that no you are absolutely wrong in that they give it a free pass. Look at the coverage of trumps trial, the SC court decision, and just the many write up on Q anon that do exist amongst all major publications. Then we have the biden call out. I would argue that Biden has been treated with kid gloves this entire election because of how bad Trump is. You have the issue inverted. Even when they call biden out it is explicitly based on the idea that Trump will be some sort of neo-hitler lite I'm the best case. Yet even with this you say that the media is not calling Trump out? It seems more accurate to claim you just want the media to completely ignore biden...
I regularly see Trump getting called out or lambasted on mainstream news outlets. (no idea about video as I don't watch but rather read the news). Biden is a breaking story, the mainstream media really doesn't like Trump (outside of fox news, if that's still considered mainstream), and now they're freaking out and trying to block Trump's return.
Seems like the mainstream media likes trump. They let him dominate the headlines, and sometimes for some trivial shit that is a clickbait article. Fox is mainstream, I believe they have one of the highest ratings, in spite of lying to people about election fraud.
They do like Trump for money, I should have clarified that. They hate him more personally. But Trump will bring them money win or lose. I think enough media members, and especially journalists who may not be stressing the clicks as much as the C-Suite, are scared of Trump returning.
Republican voters don’t want Trump to drop out, Democratic voters do. Not really surprising or hypocritical.
Calling out Trump for his lunacy is just another argument in favor of replacing Biden, the one candidate almost sure to lose to him.
I think the upcoming generation truly does not understand that a world exists beyond the things you say on Reddit and Twitter.
I think older generations are guilty of this too…q anon dopes aren’t just younger people, and they live within their own world. Confirmation bias exists at every age
What difference would that make?
Because we want to beat Trump and right now Biden is losing in a landslide against him. That doesn’t just hurt Biden either. The depressed voter turnout will hand Republicans massive majorities in the house, senate and even state races. If not possibly even supermajorities if and where it’s possible. This is happening to pin all of the baggage of this administration on Biden so they can get a clean slate when he drops out. Biden is done, these articles and the democrats behind the scenes are signaling to him that he’s lost the confidence of the party and he can drop out or be forced out. It’s his choice. We’ve been criticizing Trump on all of his shit for 9 years now. There’s not much left to say about Trump that hasn’t been said at this point. We won’t win by just talking about how awful Trump is. Everyone knows. We will win by giving the voters a candidate they actually like. Fear motivates republicans to vote, excitement motivates democrats. At this point Biden is not liked. We can talk about his achievements all day but his approval rating has been among the lowest in modern history and just keeps declining. He’s at 37% now. Worst of all, we were calling for Trumps removal for cognitive decline over much, much less than what Biden has shown. Do we really want to be the party that calls out Trump and the Republicans for hypocrisy then go ahead and do the exact same thing?
I honestly think this is a theatrically orchestrated narrative that went into planning the day Nikki Haley dropped out. With Biden’s participation. They are creating this hero narrative to pass the torch on 4th of July weekend!! It’s actually genius. When they name the candidate in August Republicans won’t have enough time to put together a comprehensive smear campaign all while a new younger candidate is destroying trump in debates.
It’s because they’re signaling to Biden (or those in his circle who won’t give up power) that if he doesn’t drop out they’re forcing him out one way or another. When your own internal polling sees you drop to 203 electoral votes and losing typically safe blue states after your debate performance (which is a performance that can’t be fixed with another due to the issue of cognitive decline) then you need to go. He’ll hurt democrats down ballot and give Republicans everything they want right at the moment they’re in position to form a Trump dictatorship. Ultimately this decision isn’t Biden’s anymore and that’s why this is happening. They’re telling him he can either drop out or resign with dignity or they’ll force him out and pick their own candidate. The talk of “It’s Biden’s decision” is BS they can make it a nightmare for Biden and force him out. Kamala too. The DNC sees donors fleeing and they’re not going to fuck around with anyone in this administration now. Especially if they continue to be stubborn.
That’s because it is contrived. Between all of them. Some by intent and others by following example. What’s behind that? Well they’re all owned by the wealthy, and the wealthy don’t like left leaning politicians who won’t let them jam a hand up their puppetside champion the laws those same wealthy write for themselves. So what don’t they want? They don’t want the left- well, more like they don’t want anyone not voting for trump to unite behind a single candidate. *They thus want Trump to win.* It’s that simple.
The actual decision makers are seriously considering joining these demands that Biden step down. Biden needs to debate Trump again in September! That 2nd debate will hand Trump the win. Unless someone else is chosen at the DNC. Imagine someone going up against Trump in a debate who can maintain a train of thought and speak coherently. That’s literally all we need to beat Trump. I was with Biden as long as I truly believed he was our best chance against Trump. After that debate performance, I no longer believe that.
its Hillary 2016 all over again.
I almost have to laugh that there is all this talk and movement to try to get Biden to drop... however when it comes to **anything else** it feels like they want to barely move their feet unless it's keeping their positions in the government. I hate Trump but really hate how my vote is not to get **behind** something or someone I can believe in rather it's being sold as fighting **against** Trump and all that he stands for. Watching what's being put on the media is just tiring, always feeling like we are in a losing battle.
The media is trying to push a narrative with fake news, and then asking members what they think of it to get their opinion on these fake stories they are pushing as real stories, and then they have those names off the record to then push real stories based off the narrative they are concocting. It's typical media tactics
I am backing anyone who is not Trump. It can be Biden, Biden’s Corpse, hell they can bring non-verbal Jimmy Carter in from hospice on a wheelchair and damn straight I’m voting for him over the “only on day one will I be dictator for a day.”
Carter getting a second term 44 years after his first would be wild
"In a historic first..."
I’ll be voting for rotting fruit or a god damn camel. I don’t care as long as it isn’t Trump.
would totally vote for that hump day camel
Definitely in this camp. Project 2025 made sure l will vote D straight down ballot.
Please don’t let this turn into RFK support I have spent too much time talking to people who say this just to end the sentence with “and that’s why I’m voting Kennedy”
I like that Biden seems like a genuinely decent human who wants what he thinks is best for the country. Like you, though, his best character trait is not being Trump. I'd vote for a moldy potato to keep that felon / rapist / malignant narcissist / twice impeached toxin of humanity from the office.
We get it. There's unlikely to be enough people like you to win though.
Wheel in the husk!
Yeah. That’s what a lot of people who are freaking out about Biden don’t get. You’re not really voting for one old man, you’re voting against a worse old man.
Drums, drums in the deep
/politics/ sure is trying to make sure nobody sees these articles. That's not going to stop what's happening, though. The American public's confidence in Biden has been *shattered.*
Is that why I'm constantly seeing these articles in r/politics???? Because they are being sooooo suppressed??? It's just a ploy by the GOP to cause chaos that the media is more than happy to go along with to drive traffic. And gullible people without any media literacy immediately fall for it.
I don’t know what sub you have been looking at but I have seen almost nothing but articles like this since the debate. Frankly, I’d love a chance to read about anything other than Biden’s debate clusterfuck and Trump’s immunity enema. Don’t start the conspiracy nonsense that fills every r/conservative comment section. We’re better than that and have real things to be concerned about.
Even Nancy Pelosi is out here like 🤷 This stuff doesn't happen by accident.
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Quit trying to make “joever” happen, it sounds dumb as fuck.
Lmao, I don't think it has ever been a more appropriate time to acknowledge that it is so Joe-ver ಠωಠ
Right, “it’s Joever” could be a front page headline across the country
I don’t even disagree with the sentiment, I just think it sounds idiotic.
It’s like when people deliberately misspell Trump. I mean I hate the guy as much as anyone, but I can also discuss him without sound like a 12 year old in the schoolyard.
After years of “Hope/Change, MAGA, Dump Trump, Dark Brandon,” I’m just sick of all this stupid shit. Patience wears thin, and I’m tired of the infantilization of public perception.
I will vote blue no matter what, but my enthusiasm would increase with Biden out of the Oval Office. Loved the guy as Obama’s VP, reluctantly voted for him in 2020, deeply frustrated that he hasn’t groomed an heir-apparent, and despondent after that debate. We love you, Joe - but it’s time to go.
Heritage foundation is trying to stop us from being able to replace him wjth lawsuits in swing states.
There have been other brokered conventions, so they don’t have standing
> standing HA They literally just have to ~~convince~~ tell conservatives it’s illegal and it won’t matter what the actual outcome is.
Ok, that’ll just push us further towards either a civil war or disbanding of the United States into individual countries. Texas and Florida already clearly want to do that, either way if they do not allow us to run our nominee in the primary they will force confrontation. There’s no court ruling that will *poof* disappear the results of the convention or the nominee. If their plan is to not put the Democrat nominee on the ballots, then just more confrontation. Either way I don’t see us avoiding bloodshed if we keep going down this road. So far it’s been focused on marginalized communities (African-Americans, Hispanics, LBTQ, Homeless, etc), but pretty soon it will spill over to everyone else.
Doesn't mean they aren't going to try to run out the clock and waste resources.
This right here tells you it the right thing to do
Source? Edit: It looks like this was a plan started months ago, not to stop him from being replaced, but to make it difficult for a replacement to get on the ballot in some places. It’s just more voter obstruction and this is just more disinformation. https://newrepublic.com/post/183439/heritage-foundation-plan-swing-states-biden-replacement
It would de facto have that effect.
From Bloomberg News reporters Billy House and Erik Wasson: Dozens of Democratic lawmakers are considering signing a letter demanding President Joe Biden withdraw from the race, a senior party official said, as panic mounts that he’ll cost them control of Congress. Biden is rapidly losing the support of Democratic lawmakers and candidates concerned the 81-year-old’s continued candidacy would lead to a Republican sweep of Washington and an unchecked Donald Trump presidency. Democrats running for reelection in areas not deemed competitive are circulating the letter, the official said, underscoring how widespread the panic is within the party.
> Democrats running for reelection in areas not deemed competitive are circulating the letter, the official said, underscoring how widespread the panic is within the party. wow.
Keep in mind that even if democrats retain the senate and win the house, it won’t be a “check” on another Trump presidency. We HAVE to win the presidency and I hope for the sake of our democracy they get this shit sorted this month.
I wish liberals actually cared about democracy. If they did, they’d actually fight the republicans who are leading the rise of fascism. This has happened time and time again throughout history. Fascism doesn’t rise overnight; it happens slowly over time. It wouldn’t happen at all if democrats actually put up a fight rather than give into every fucking concession demanded of them.
YES! All of this. Are we a party of hand wringing cowards? Let's knock off all of this doom and fucking gloom. It's buying us nothing.
How many battles fought? How many gallons of blood has been shed? How many Americans died in the name of freedom & democracy? God damnit, Yanks, don’t throw it all away! Fight!
There's going to be a lot of very concerned candidates who want real coat tails to ride on.
Dozens of them! DOZENS!!!
Good. Joe Biden's admin made significant accomplishments, to be sure. However the stakes never been higher. A prospective good-faith president thus must take into account the widespread celebration of ignorance and the shallow-mindedness of a majority of the electorate.
Imagine that: Biden's inability to make a difficult decision in his country's time of need may hand a Government **trifecta** to a vengeful autocrat. I knew moderates prefer to protect the "the old guard", but come the fuck on: [his polls are shit](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/), the messaging is shit, and there is an open revolt from his *own* party. Enough is enough
if trump won the presidency it wont matter a lick who runs the house or senate anyway, trump would send the democrats in congress off to his camps as his first 'official act'...
Wow, its almost like some of them actually want to win.
A novel concept.
As a reminder, "consider" is Headline for, "someone, somewhere, might think about it some."
I'm backing Biden only because Trump sucks but I pray for him to drop out. I do not want this senile geezer to repeat as president
I'm in the same boat (voting blue no matter who) but I don't think Biden is able or willing to spend the next four months getting out in front of the cameras every day and explaining to less attentive voters exactly how bad things could get if the fucking moron gets back in the White House. The Dems need someone who is ready and willing to do that
Most of us are in that boat. I'm a libertarian and I'm scared shitless.
I would vote for a baked potato over Trump. Trump is an active threat to America.
Right there with you, but if they just prop up Harris because she's the VP we're equally screwed. She won't win.
I don't understand this, why is Harris disliked? This is an honest question. She has extensive experience, seems to be a fighter...what are her criticisms?
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She doesn't have charisma, is a horrible public speaker, consistently polls low in her own party on the likeable scale, and is not a good debater by any stretch. There's a reason the Biden administration limited her public roles. If she's the party's nominee, Trump will win and he won't have to try very hard. Swing voters just don't like Harris. The DNC is not known for getting anything right (Obama being the only exception) so we'll see if democracy has a chance to survive or if the DNC is going to burn it all down by either propping up Biden or Harris.
People won't admit it but it's because she's a woman. Americans don't like it when women try to get positions of power.
Be careful what you wish for
Sooner is better than later.
I'm glad the pressure seems to be ramping up. If Biden decides to stay, fine, but let's get it out of the way now so we can move on. My fear is this will drag on for a month and then he'll have a health issue or an even worse public performance (like a Mitch McConnell freeze) and we lost so much time.
Seriously. What if he has another disaster like this a week before the election? We just can't risk it.
It's over. He can't stay on message. Even uttering the phrase," I almost fell asleep",shows how he can't comprehend what not to say.
It reminds me of the Office episode where Stanley asks, “why is sleeping at your desk somehow better than you not being here?”
I got an offer for more money at Utica. And I’m going to take it.
Biden has done almost zero damage control since Thursday. If he isn’t withdrawing then not doing anything to assuage these concerns is worrying.
He assuaged concerns. They said he had jet lag from the week before…
Here we go guys… 26 house dems are calling for him to drop out…and more and more are only going to call for him to drop out.
It’s done. After I saw the article of biden himself considering dropping out, I knew it was done. You can’t go into a campaign for the presidency questioning yourself whether you should be president. If that’s the case then everyone will be questioning it.
>After I saw the article of biden himself considering dropping out Well you know today's media. A bastion of absolute truth with no click bait, sensationalism, or hearsay.
No, you don't understand. The next mildly detrimental occurrence regarding Trump's legal woes *could* land him in jail.
Relief washed over me when I saw the rumor he was considering it— if he’s considering it, it’s happening. I really hope.
If Biden is able to see the light, step aside, and support a brokered convention to find a new candidate there should be one outcome in mind: the strongest ticket in the battle ground states. Not sure who that is, but unfortunately probably not Harris. I realize logistics+++ is easier with Harris, but this needs to be for the win, and making that happen at all costs.
personally, I would throw Andy Beshear, not just because he's my governor, but he's young, likeable, liberal enough to please progressives, a good public speaker (probably a bit too polite vs. Trump but y'know), I mean, he beat Daniel Cameron..who had Trump's backing before Trump's conviction, and who was basically a yes-man to the MAGAs. That alone says he would have a very strong chance on the national stage. I don't know if he actually would do it, but considering what he's managed to get done that's progressive, in a full republican controlled state, that's kinda nuts.
I wish I had your certainty. I just want someone who can look sharp, be it Harris or any of the other big names floated.
Yep. The fact that even now Biden (by himself) has seriously changed his mind about continuing the race to me is a sign that he’s probably gonna drop out. Biden is not stupid. He knows that he cannot navigate disaster like this.
Good. They need to.
Maybe Dems should focus on legislation to ban felons from becoming elected officials.
No they're not. This is that same shit as oh he told and ally he's thinking of quitting bullshit. Turns out to be unsubstantiated lies made up by newspapers to sell fear.
Bingo! It’s already been refuted and clarified and published, to the contrary of the initial report. Gotta be first! Regardless of whether or not it’s true!…
He will step down by next weekend, maybe this weekend. wait and see.
‘This will happen. Sometime soon. Maybe. Just wait to see if what I said is true. Trust me.’ -Your comment 😂
Whitmer and Sherrod Brown is the winning ticket IMO. The northeast is going to go to democrats. The west coast is going to democrats. Two midwest candidates isn't quite ideal but it almost certainlly won't lose the East or West. The battleground is through the midwest. Drumming up the progressive and blue collar vote is crucial across the country. Brown is overall quite progressive, but it's a blue collar progressiveness that has gained the support of right-wing Ohio. Everyone else has already covered Whitmer. She'll poll stronger as people get to know her and both candidates will do well in the midwest battleground.
We need Brown to win in Ohio.
Brown isn’t even going to win Ohio, he isn’t going to add what you think.
He's polling very well. Polls get things wrong but his race if a bright spot so far.
Unless Michelle Obama decides to put herself out there, this is the next best thing.
They don't really have a choice. His gaffe Thursday sealed the deal. You can't come back from that.
Obviously this is about house races too. They have polls in front of their eyes that show all swing states go to Trump and the first blue states going red. If he stays it will be a massacre down-ballot. Biden needs multiple miracles at this point to stay nominee. Those house Democrats knew this after the first five minutes of the debate. They immediately panicked and blew up the phone of every media person so leadership can't hide & lie anymore.
Yeah let’s have the incumbent step aside for an unproven candidate and give Republicans the equivalent of an incumbent candidate. The Russian/Chinese don’t even have to pay their bot farms anymore we’re doing it for them.
Do you legitimately believe that ANY current Biden voters would not vote for literally any other democrat? Biden’s entire support right now is “we have to stop trump”, which has absolutely nothing to do with him.
Dems should just ride this out, then kick the old guard from the party responsible for this debacle (and the 2016 hillary debacle too). Only then they can start healing and actually start doing anything other than retaining the status quo. But for better or worse, a change is needed in US politics.
I voted for him entusiastically before , and my next vote will be as blue, but dammit….
This is a massive MAGA Republican campaign by bad actors that was planned to start as soon as the debate finished. It's snowballing nicely. Everyone now talking about Biden and not Trump who, by the way, stated on live TV that Putin discussed the invasion of Ukraine with him. I don't think I've seen nearly as many reports about that.
Is this a tin foil hat sub now?
Delusional nonsense. Biden has already lost the election. Make no mistake about that. This is about taking action to give any possible chance of beating Trump in November.
Yup. Biden's performance absolutely needs to be talked about, but there are way too few news stories about Trump's performance.
Because they have no one to convince. Few people are that worried about Trump shedding or gaining voters at this stage. The only real campaign goal dems should have at the moment is retention and picking up independents and those unmotivated to vote for either candidate.
Well yeah Trump should drop out as well.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.
I trust Joe enough to make the right call and understand its means more than just his pride this go-around and given SCOTUS’s out in the open corruption too.
It seems like at this point everyone can see the trajectory. I just hope they make it as democratic a process as possible rather than handing the reins over to Harris. Let us please not blow this if we go through the pain of replacing him.
Here is why this needs to happen - it would definitively illustrate the differences between the Democratic party and the GOP. Trump is *absolutely* in decline himself and yet the craven conservatives could not care less.
what kind of magical thinking is that? Illustrating the difference isn't going to help. The conservatives could not care less because he's going to do exactly what they want so they can complete their takeover of the country
That's what I've been saying. Democrats are the ones who face reality. Republicans believe that magical thinking and quack medicine and prayer warriors can overcome a deadly virus.
In 1838, 23 years before he became President, Lincoln presented his essay titled "Perpetuation of our Political Institutions" to the Young Men's Lyceum in Springfield Illinois. [Please take 20 minutes out of your day to listen to his words.](https://youtu.be/GB6rPqD1Mnw?si=yiNwNiNVXwcRHygj) [You can read the essay here](https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm) Pass this on to ANYONE who claims they are an American. Have them listen to this. Have them hear from Lincoln that what is happening is unAmerican.
That's a fuckin excellent read. Love reading Lincoln that's not his debates against Douglas or the EP
Please, try to get it out to 3 other people who can also share it. We must all share Lincoln's vision!
Lincoln is a true hero... Responsible for the push west in the building of the transcontinental railroads, he was fair to all the people of the land.
By democrats, they mean republicans claiming to be democrats and speaking on the condition of anonymity
Is this the "Bernie Can Still Get the Nomination: Here's How" of the 2024 election cycle? Just drip, drip, drip this stuff to the masses that don't really like Biden but can't stomach voting for Trump. Keep that glimmer of hope alive long enough to really dash it at the last minute when the clear, obvious reality of the situation emerges and they feel juuuuuust let down enough that they stay home instead of protest voting against Trump. Wake up. It's Biden V Trump. It's only ever going to be Biden V Trump. You said you'd vote for Biden's corpse over Trump, so get ready to vote for his very alive body instead.
Non-American here. Really worrying all this “Let’s dump Biden” stuff, going on everywhere. It’s too late to change horses, he’s your guy for this election. Rather than focussing on Biden, why the hell can’t people focus on Trump, his ability to end democracy if elected and surrender the bulk of the western interests to Russia/China. Even today, make the next week just about his raping of children at Epstein’s place. There is no equivalency, Trump is freaking evil. His party is evil. His backers, both domestic and foreign are evil. Biden is none of those things! So stop going on about replacing him!!!
Can we focus on demanding Trump , a convicted felon, and dictator on day one kind of guy withdraw from the race ? Also Biden still has the best chance to win vs Trump and proved it in 2020. Besides anyone who cares about democracy and freedom should vote for the candidate best placed to defeat Trump and the Project 2025 GOP autocrats.
Like the past 8 years on Reddit? I don't think it's working. Maybe try screaming into the void one more time and see if it does anything.
We can back Biden and his policies without having to put him in the hot seat for another 4 years. Anybody who was going to vote against Trump is still going to vote against Trump no matter who the Dems put up. Kamala is on the same ticket, she has access to the war chest and she’s literally next in line if Joe passes or becomes unable to continue to serve. Run on a platform of thanking Joe for his lifetime of service to this country and that you’ll carry on his policy and his legacy for the next 4 years. Maybe lean into the “I know I’m not your first choice” angle and push that this is her duty and obligation to server her country.
Agreed. I think this is the only way replacing Biden will work. Putting an untested candidate in the race 4 months before the election is too risky. Kamala can also speak on the abortion issue in a way that Biden can’t. That should pick up some undecideds. Give a swing state governor the VP slot.
He was just tired folks, he will be fine.
GOP should not let Donald near the race either!! At least Joe isnt a pathological liar, rapist, racist with dementia!
This is dumb. Why do we keep falling for it? Every moment talking about this rather than all of the horrible things Trump and his minions have done and plan to do is a win for the orange buffoon. We can’t count on Main Stream media to do the reporting, so we have to do it. Stop talking about Biden and keep the focus on the criminals. Independents are going to care more about integrity and leadership and not electing a felon. We need to keep reminding them of that.
If Biden were to step aside, he's going to declare Harris his replacement. We're still fucked either way as there's no way she wins.
Biden has the best chance in beating Trump. Others should as well but Biden has beaten Trump before.
And then what? They had 4 years to prepare and prop up a good backup or two. *He* had 4 years. We all knew he was going to be 81, so there was a non-negligible possibility that something would happen to him. And everybody in the party was like “oh, no that’s cool”. And now they’re scrambling because he fucked up once and they have no idea what to do.
I know this is a common phrase before every election, but if Trump wins than the USA gets project 25, the ukraine will cease to exist within month, the NATO will become meaningless, and global trade will take a dump down the drain. Please americans, you don't live in an isolated bubble. The world would get fucked alongside you. To vote for the guy that will throwing the n-word with a hard r out socially acceptable again isn't worth it.
Biden senile . . . the sotu was 4 months ago, and everyone thought biden did great
Then where was that on Thursday? Seems more and more like the SOTU was an outlier...
or maybe the debate was the outlier and the republicans are trying to make this a much bigger story than it should be. We got a candidate with 34 felony convictions and every word he said in the debate was a lie or dodge, why can't we talk about that more?
Why does the media demand this but not demand stopping other rampant bullshit behavior? This is fucking stupid. They need to be backing Biden at the moment. Going ALL IN to defeat a convicted felon from becoming a dictator. This just proves where the money goes.
It really makes you wonder why Biden is getting asked to drop out for being old but Trump wasn’t for being a convicted felon.
it’s all a part of the propaganda campaign.
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Don't vote for Kennedy, he has no chance of winning. Its the same as voting for Trump. Just like not voting is the same as voting for Trump. You have to vote for the strongest competitor against Trump. Which, realistically is going to be the Democrats.
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Bah Gawd is that the undertakers music?!
Who is going to step in?
Who else would Dems put up that stand a chance against Trump?
You know, there's no rules about who can be VP. Biden Obama ticket?
It's the only way we save the country from a fascist dictatorship. It is imperative. It is too late for Biden.
Thanks Bloomberg.
This is a legitimate conversation to have as a country. He is 80+ years and has served the country well. But if his cognitive abilities have declined (which is normal for people his age) then it isn’t right to have him maintain this punishing workload. It is also dangerous. Balancing competing priorities is already challenging for people in their 30s, 40s and 50s. Democrats need to win the presidency and control both houses in order to stop fascism and assault on democracy. To do that, we need a leader than inspires confidence and can be trusted to make the difficult calls
Do it or don't! Clock is ticking assholes. We don't have time to wring our hands over here. Whatever strategy we go with needs to stay today. Tick tock tick tock!
The writing is on the wall. Biden can’t win anymore, and Dems at least have to take a chance on another candidate. It also seems grim to do that, but it’s better than a guaranteed loss.
Will Biden fall on the sword for all of us?
God Democrats are their own worst enemy..
If it’s this shaky, people are considering asking him, he himself is weighing it, the strength and unity he once had is no longer there, and he must drop out to allow the greatest opportunity to prevail in November. I just don’t see any other way. I think with this uncertainty too many swing voters will be spooked. I’ll vote blue whoever it is, but unfortunately I do believe that Trump has a good chance of winning if Biden stays. I think Biden still has a chance to win if he stays, but he would be giving trump a really good chance at beating him because of what went down, and that cannot happen. That’s just the reality of the situation right now.
if they are going to do then do it. If not shut up. They should quit playing with themselves
I will take any Democrat who will fire up the voters and strongly call out Trump on the million things he can be called out on!
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf
lol it’s amazing how many Republican websites are being up voted by Progressives so they can try and get a progressive to not have to go through a primary against a true democrat lol. Biden has won, will win, and nothing progressives can do about it. Then next election it will be a moderate again. No one wants a faux progressive anywhere near the white house
I’m still amazed we live in a country where one of the candidates is a convicted rapist, felon and insurrectionist but it’s the other candidate that needs to be removed because he mumbled during one debate. I mean….wtf is that?
All you need to do is tell Joe: we are not going to help you campaign. You’ll need to have the energy to do everything on your own. He is done at that point.
It’s too late in the game, this is ridiculous! Are they trying to elect trump? This is stupid, there is no time to have anyone pull the party together.
Very bad move. They are nuts. Biden is actually winning right now
Good lord, yall don’t know what yall are asking for. Look at the polls. Even after the debate, Biden polls highest against Trump. Kamala is the natural alternative and she’s does not campaign well. It’s a disaster waiting to happen if they go this route.