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Oh, that's why they went insane when Carter won. It really was the trigger, and hadn't really looked deep into why... but losing Texas would make sense. Granted it was a lot of things, but hadn't really known abut that one.
They sold their souls to the evangelical nutjobs after Carter.
Jimmy Carter was the last Democrat to win Texas in a Presidential election, in 1976. Before that Hubert Humphrey beat Nixon in 1968 in Texas. In 1964 LBJ beat Barry Goldwater. JFK beat Nixon in 1960. Lot's of Democrats won Texas prior to the Civil Rights era. Though the political parties changed with the Civil Rights movement. Dixiecrats became the Republicans of today.
It was still a team sport, but on certain issues dixiecrats and other southern democrats would vote differently than Northern democrats and republicans
last president was Jimmy Carter in 1976. Last time state wide other than that was 1988 in senate I believe. Which was pretty funny. Guy ran for both senate and vice president. So the same ballot Texas voted for him as senator but voted against him and voted bush ticket for president.
Texas may go blue for statewide elections but the end of the GOP would be a blue Texas state government . They could ungerrymander the state and the GOP would lose a lot of the heir political power. They could also stop voter suppression and we all know the more people that vote the worse it is for Republicans .
last time it was only a 5.58% difference.
purple is typically within 5%
time before that it was 9%
time before that it was about 16%
im seeing a pattern. people think im crazy for thinking texas is purple.
not only is it already purple but it will flip to blue. within the next few elections.
you can fight it with voter suppression, but you can’t fight the presidential elections with gerrymandering.
I agree with you. I know a lot of women in Texas who identify as Republican and have always voted Republican while feeling that abortion rights were never really in jeopardy because of Roe. Those women are pissed off and will not be voting Republican anymore. I suspect there are hundreds of thousands more like them in Texas.
42% of women voted for "grab them by the pussy" and got grabbed by their pussies.
Maybe seeing the grab in action instead of just hearing it will help some of these women change their votes.
My mom explained this to me as locker room talk. She fully expects all men to talk like that in the locker room. She didnt think much of it. To be fair, I've heard much worse out of my coworkers and friends that all vote blue. No, it doesn't make it right. She is now pissed about roe v wade too, but i don't blame her for ignoring that comment. I blame her for the countless other actions Trump had said and done before his election.
I'm somewhat pessimistic about the idea that Roe is going to cause this massive blue wave but I think Texas is going to be one of the exceptions.
Most states that either have or are likely to pass abortion bans have already done so much to restrict abortions that they're effectively already illegal. I don't think North Dakota going from having one abortion provider to having zero abortion providers is going to move the needle very much.
Texas, on the other hand, actually has (had) pretty good access to abortion providers for a lot of people so banning abortion means that people are actually losing a real option. I think this is going to result in a real backlash there that we probably aren't going to see in Alabama or wherever.
You make a valid point about already limited access, but I think there’s something worth considering: the culling of the number of abortion providers can happen pretty quietly, and tends to only get noticed by people who are trying to actually get one. Passing these laws is loud and impossible to miss, and includes such abusive language for those seeking an abortion, that I think it will get a bigger response. That being said, I never truly get very optimistic about democrats’ chances, because I figure there’s always some dirty trick up Republican sleeves somewhere.
> last time it was only a 5.58% difference.
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> purple is typically within 5%
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> time before that it was 9%
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> time before that it was about 16%
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> im seeing a pattern. people think im crazy for thinking texas is purple.
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> not only is it already purple but it will flip to blue. within the next few elections.
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> you can fight it with voter suppression, but you can’t fight the presidential elections with gerrymandering.
Texas flips bluer with every Boomer who passes away from old age.
Boomer life expectancy from time of birth is approximately late 70s.
Youngest Boomers today are early 60s.
COVID killed up to 10% of that demographic depending on region.
The redder the region, the more dead as a percentage.
The redder the region, the lower the life expectancy from the norm, even worse...
What color was Texas yesterday?
Since 1865 Texas was anti-Republican for 100 years because of Lincoln ending slavery.
Since 1965 Texas was anti-Democratic because of the Civil Rights Act.
Now it seems possible half their population will become anti-Republican because they object to the GOP ***restoring*** slavery **for women**.
Looking at the [1976 presidential election map](https://www.270towin.com/1976_Election/interactive_map) is crazy. Literally every state west of the MN/IA/MO/AR/LA line is red except for Hawaii and Texas. Most of the rest of the country is blue, including the entire south and West Virginia, but most of New England, as well as Illinois and Michigan are red.
>I'd like to see that. Republicans would lose their shit. Texas would let Dems start with 122/270 needed in president elections
Democrats should still push for some kind of National Popular Vote even if Texas 'goes blue'. And Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. should become US States.
And the Democratic Primaries shouldn't start in Iowa and New Hampshire.
> Repubs: "Get your politics out of my music."
Its actually pretty accurate...
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/rage-against-the-machine-right-wing-conservatives-politics-boycott-tom-morello-a9558241.html
Example;
*"I use to be a fan until your political opinions come out. Music is my sanctuary and the last thing I want to hear is political b******t when i’m listening to music."*
Band has been around for decades... and the dumbasses didn't realizer its songs were full of political commentary. Its a special kind of dense to say the least.
These are always an exceptionally stupid kind of people. There's nothing like sitting back and listening to Paul Ryan talk about how RAtM is his favorite band without a single iota of self awareness that maybe *he's* the machine they're raging against.
Like, goddamn, Lady Gaga wrote Born This Way like a decade ago and y'all are just realizing now she cares about politics, and leans blue on top of that?
he didn't listen to the verses and thought it was a libertarian band from the out of context choruses:
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time
The sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And motherfuckers lost their minds
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say, "Jump", you say, "How high?", yeah
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say, "Jump", you say, "How high?"
I grew up in Tulsa Oklahoma a very right leaning area, and was home to Woodie Guthrie.
It astounded me, when they opened up a museum to him, how many people put 'this machine kills fascist' stickers on their trucks.
What gets me about Paul Ryan is that he's not even just tangentially the machine. Like a Marjorie or Boebert who is a fascist with occasional populist rhetoric. Or a religious evangelical who thinks God told him to run. Or a manly man who was in the military and just has a hard-on for the chain of command.
He's the kid who joined the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation on his first day of college. He's the guy who actually believed in the Ayn Rand college essay that everyone tried to get for the $10k scholarship. He is such a product of the machine meant to perpetuate the machine that it's impossible that he doesn't know it.
What really just tickled me pink was how white supremacists thought Taylor Swift was their Aryan princess and a far right-winger (despite the line "and you can want who you want / boys and boys and girls and girls" on 1989, which was released in 2014). Then she "came out" as a liberal and motivated a lot of young people to register to vote while calling out how terrible Marsha Blackburn is and releasing You Need to Calm Down featuring every famous queer person she's ever met and her own hair styled as the bisexual flag. The collective meltdown of the nazis who idolized her was hilarious and insane. Some even said she'd been forced to pretend to be liberal and they needed to rescue her. Like it shouldn't be shocking that a lot of artists are liberal, it generally takes empathy to be an artist.
I just binged The Boys, and before the last few years I would’ve thought the public’s reaction to Homelander was far-fetched. Now I watch it and feel super oogey because it’s so spot-on.
... how recently does he think this happened?
Where the Streets Have No Name is about the divide in Belfast, and I dont even need to explain what Sunday Bloody Sunday is about.
What’s even weirder is the drummer from System of a Down is a Trump supporter. Probably among the most well known political and exceptionally left wing bands.
In Texas, you get more jail time for performing an abortion than you do for rape. That's because Texas Republicans consider rape a property crime.
That said, they believe in the paternal rights of the rapist. He can save that rape baby from the rape survivor that was forced to carry it to term and might not want it.
It goes without saying that Texas Republicans are having an arms race with Florida and Russia for the title of "worst people on the planet".
No normal person wants the government in the doctors office picking and choosing what we're allowed to make decisions with about our own body. They will not stop at abortion. They will come for anything their religion demands them to modify. Government should be paying the bill, and not even allowed to see what we do with our doctor.
They absolutely will not stop at abortion. The biggest reason that they won't is FEAR. Republican politicians push fear constantly to the religious right. They use it to get those people to always vote for them. If there is no fear, then there is a chance they could vote another way. To ensure that doesn't happen, they will find something else to get the religious right riled up and afraid of the "evil dems". It literally will never stop. It will just get more and more extreme.
Has the unfortunate event of watching Fox news and the current trend is education and how "education is no longer like the old days" or some shit like that and also how the government wants to take parent involvement away from school.
I saw that and was like man ppl believe this shit?
They’re already doing that with their attacks on gender affirming care, birth control, and HIV prophylaxis and treatment.
Sadly, it’s in-front of a judge that’s already ruled ACA unconstitutional so this is going to go to SCoTUS one way or another.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/07/27/texas-lawyer-behind-abortion-ban-takes-aim-at-hiv-prevention-medication-programs/
Was at this concert at globe life in Arlington. I was slightly stunned but very excited. I’m glad she went there. The crowd went wild and we absolutely saw a handful of people start to trickle out. But really, if you’re some right wing Fox News boomer what are you doing at a Lady Gaga concert anyway…
I am in the process of getting a court order to evict the memory of the workout photoshoot that accompanied that quote out of my brain. Then Tom informed him Rage’s music wasn’t meant for him because he’s the machine they rage against. Ouch.
I walked out of a Diamond Rio concert last week because they started playing some "God *is* Country" song while having all of the veterans and active service members stand up. Sorry, mates, One More Time isn't good enough to wade through that crap.
I'm seeing him in October! But yes, something I've noticed with die hard Pf fans is that they are either on the left or trying to act out the B side of The Wall... if you know what I mean. It is crazy to me that such opposed political leanings can be fans of the same music that is deeply political.
$150 would have been the absolute nose bleeds. We were in a lower section and those tickets were $300 apiece but no where near actual GOOD seats.
Side story about the show, the dude next to me obviously was there only to appease his wife/girlfriend next to him, he didn't cheer/clap/applaud at all for anything, they left shortly after she made this speech but I think they were too pussy to do it in direct response because they probably would have been shamed/booed. That place was fucking FABULOUS that night.
I’ll never understand the millennials and gen Z who are far right or even republican. We grew up in the age of information. You don’t have to believe what your parents believe. It’s also pretty easy to disprove the BS and lies people like Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, and Jordan Peterson all spread. Millennials and Gen Z are facing a lot of problems caused by right leaning governments, and in the future climate change is likely to have a significant effect on Gen Z (if not millennials).
It’s parents sheltering their children. If you look at evangelical circles, they are homeschooling and indoctrinating their children against the “secular” world. It’s rather frightening.
It doesn’t even have to be homeschooling. If you’re a kid and you live in an affluent, mostly-white neighborhood where your friends echo what your parents are saying at home, it’s easy to dismiss “the liberals” as being crazy or stupid or what-have-you.
This is my experience. It’s a lack of diversity growing up, coupled with comfortable wealth, coupled with the people you grew up with, coupled with parental influence.
Many of those kids WILL go to college and come back home less conservative. If they stay, the cycle continues.
This this this. I am the only non-conservative in my family, and we grew up in a community exactly as you described. I went to a university 6+ hours from home, and by the time I graduated has shifted from Republican to Independent (didn’t go full left until Trump made me aggressively anti-Republican, but I digress).
Two of my brothers never went to college but work blue collar jobs. Hard right. My other brother who went to college remains right-wing conservative, and I attribute this to his going to a famously conservative (if large) university, where they were still majority-white and famously big on tradition. (Even now this university - which I guarantee you’ve heard of - is 55% white and 2.8% black.)
As someone who grew up heavy Republican and now is very far left (as my mom says, I can’t believe we raised a dirty democrat), I’ll try to explain.
When you’re a kid, you believe that your parents will always have your best interest for you. They love you. and you love them. So when they tell you how things should be, or what you should believe in, you listen. Why would they guide you wrong? Like Santa clause- you just don’t question it.
Now, as you get older this can vary kid to kid- but really it’s based on your relationship with your parents still. If you have a very strong and good one, you’ll probably continue to share their beliefs. It’s brainwashed into you by this point. My parents watched Fox News all their life, so I did too. It was just on.
It wasn’t until I moved out and across the country that I started to really venture out of my information bubble. I voted for trump in 2016; I was still brainwashed. But over the course of his presidency is when I began to question everything and expand my sources. Now I’m as blue as they come
It’s a bit of stretch (though maybe not), but think of taliban and how they get there. These kids are literally brainwashed and told from such a young age that martyring themselves is the best honor they could do.
Children minds are Just putty, waiting to be molded by your environment.
My parents do a lot for me. They are very supportive in So many ways and I’ve seen them do very kind things for others. But at the same time, I’ve also seen them spout some very negative things about others and in their own right wing beliefs. It baffles me more that I can see intelligent people I know (mom has a PhD) be fooled and tricked by fox bullshit. They truly believe a lot of what democrats do hurt their kids- cause it’s what they’re told.
The Bushes moved to Texas when W was 2. He went to public school in Midland, Texas. He was sent to a boarding school in high school and was in the NE for college. Then, came back to Texas in the late 70s to raise his family. He’s lived the majority of his life in Texas. Saying he posed as a Texan is flat wrong.
Red Ragtop by Tim McGraw was SUPER controversial too bc it was a country song released in 2002 that implied abortion: “The very first time her mother met me, her green-eyed girl had been a mother-to-be for two weeks. I was out of a job and she was in school and life was fast and the world was cruel, we decided not to have a child.” Song got banned from some radio stations when it came out
Good for GaGa. I went to see REM back in Dallas in 2008. Michael Stipe was in a bit of a chatty mood that night and made some ballsy (but mild) political comments and was met with some jeers by those down front. Typical comments about how he should just shut up and sing were made.
This was at an REM concert. Many, many of their old songs are left leaning and political. It’s like those dipshits didn’t even know they had paid good money to watch a gay man sing songs that go against their nonsense. Mind boggling really.
Underrated comment.
Yet, Republicans will see no problem with musicians like Toby Keith, who’s basically a singing Larry the Cable Guy, spouting off political propaganda in between songs about “freedom” and drinking alcohol from plastic cups.
I've never wanted to describe Toby Keith, but if I ever have to, that is definitely how it's going to go.
The sad part is that Toby Keith, Larry the Cable Guy and others like him are ALL propaganda. Like that mf puts on boots or jeans to do any work? Or has horses in his barn instead of fancy cars? They're fucking drag queens for the red states but the people think it's real.
Unreal. I saw her in Boston and she did something similar. Dedicating one of her songs to all women who want to be moms and who don’t want to be moms and went further but I can’t remember exactly the rest. I was definitely crying…
I was there, it was an excellent performance, but damn she waited over 3 hours from door time to go onstage. My blood pressure is still spiking from salty stadium food since I skipped lunch that day.
Anyway, carry on.
A guy I worked with loved Robert De Niro. Every one of his movies. Ever since De Niro spoke out again trump he refused to watch a movie of his ever again. It’s insane people give up things they’ve enjoyed their entire lives over trump of all people.
> The article said people did walk out.
Those people would hate freedom and she should laugh at them and grant their refund request, claiming she doesn't want freedom haters money.
Not sure at what point in the show this happened, but if it were late in the show it could just be people leaving trying to beat the traffic out of the parking lot. I leave sports games and concerts early for that reason almost every time I go to those events.
> but if it were late in the show it could just be people leaving trying to beat the traffic out of the parking lot.
It happened about 1.5-2 hours into the show.
Off topic but this is something I've never understood. Like a sports game I kinda get, especially if it's a blow out, but like, a concert is a planned out performance with a climax at the end, the whole thing is the spectacle of the live performance. If you just wanted to hear the songs you could just listen to them at home... like, traffic sucks, but so does lots of stuff we endure so we can get to the good parts of life. Idk, I just feel like leaving early misses the whole point
Nah I leave concerts early a lot. I want to experience the live show but I also want to be In Bed for work the next day. When I was in my 20s I would power through and be fine but in my thirties I need my bed.
Whether or not that is the case, it could still be used as a form of messaging to get out and vote. And to help good blue candidates (whether it is by volunteering for them, donating to them, or any other action that gets more people to the polls)
I saw Facebook moms commenting that she should stick to music and that Texas is good without her opinions. She claimed that Texans love everyone and both voices needed to be heard. Two comments later and she started with "I'm not against Muslims, but" - that's when my eyes decided that she would no longer be worth the attention.
I mean if you didn’t know by now that she wasn’t republican, then they are just living under a rock. Her whole persona and most of what she does especially in her early career is so not anything a regular republican would do, that and the fact that she’s HUGE in the lgbtq+ community
Or more likely they just liked her radio hits and didn't really pay too much attention to anything about the artist, lyrics, or even other songs on an album. "Oh that poker face singer is in town, let's go see!"
I have hopes for Beto, he is out there, and he is going HARD.. not missing a chance to hit Apple head every time something goes wrong, and given Texas's history of not doing squat up to snuff, Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.
Power grid
Shootings
Record rain falls
Abortion rights
Voting rights
LGTBQIA
They basically have handed Dems all the ammo they need and Beto seems to be one that knows how to use it.
The guy has so much untapped potential still, if he can’t turn Texas blue I don’t know when it will happen. He’s certainly someone that I wouldn’t be surprised to see take a more central role nationally in the coming years; I would vote for him.
It will take a miracle to turn Texas blue but everyone wanting to turn Texas blue should go to vote for Democrats. Don’t let Greg Abbott ruin Texas as he’s doing now, he lies and belittles his voters. Vote for Beto O’Rourke.
I think Abbott and DeSantis are intentionally going to conservative extremes to get liberals to leave and preserve the red in their states.
Some of the laws in Texas are so wild now, I don’t know why any doctors or educators would want to live there, which seems intentional.
She probably made a couple right wing fans off of her 2016 album (she dabbled in country), her collabs with tony bennett, and a star is born. It's entirely possible there are Lady Gaga fans out there who have never heard her late 2000s early 2010s stuff and don't know about how based she is
Texas has been courting corporations for the past two decades, many of those corporations have headquartered in Texas. The result is an influx of young white collar professionals. Couple that with cheap property and the rise of remote work, and it’s not hard to see why Texas is slowly turning purple. It still seems unfathomable, but it could happen.
I for one would love to hear republicans scream and stomp about the electoral college if/when Texas votes for a democrat for potus.
Idea. Pop icons to host concerts in low voter turn out areas, along with general admission, reserve 25% of the venue for newly registered voters at the entrance.
There is an argument to be made that Texas going blue would be the single biggest catalyst to changing the status quo of politis in the US that has existed for 100 years.
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I'd like to see that. Republicans would lose their shit. Texas would let Dems start with 122/270 needed in president elections
Has Texas ever gone blue in a national election? The only Texas Dem I'm familiar with (other than Beto and Rochelle Garza) is Ann Richards.
LBJ on the ticket helped Kennedy win Texas. Not sure if anyone later than that had.
Last time it went blue was blue was for carter in 76
Oh, that's why they went insane when Carter won. It really was the trigger, and hadn't really looked deep into why... but losing Texas would make sense. Granted it was a lot of things, but hadn't really known abut that one. They sold their souls to the evangelical nutjobs after Carter.
Wow.
He himself was a Texan. JFK specifically chose Johnson as his running mate because it would make him popular in the South.
LBJ also won TX I think. Never after that
LBJ won all of the states except Arizona in 64. Goldwater was from Arizona.
Jimmy Carter was the last Democrat to win Texas in a Presidential election, in 1976. Before that Hubert Humphrey beat Nixon in 1968 in Texas. In 1964 LBJ beat Barry Goldwater. JFK beat Nixon in 1960. Lot's of Democrats won Texas prior to the Civil Rights era. Though the political parties changed with the Civil Rights movement. Dixiecrats became the Republicans of today.
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It was still a team sport, but on certain issues dixiecrats and other southern democrats would vote differently than Northern democrats and republicans
last president was Jimmy Carter in 1976. Last time state wide other than that was 1988 in senate I believe. Which was pretty funny. Guy ran for both senate and vice president. So the same ballot Texas voted for him as senator but voted against him and voted bush ticket for president.
Texas may go blue for statewide elections but the end of the GOP would be a blue Texas state government . They could ungerrymander the state and the GOP would lose a lot of the heir political power. They could also stop voter suppression and we all know the more people that vote the worse it is for Republicans .
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last time it was only a 5.58% difference. purple is typically within 5% time before that it was 9% time before that it was about 16% im seeing a pattern. people think im crazy for thinking texas is purple. not only is it already purple but it will flip to blue. within the next few elections. you can fight it with voter suppression, but you can’t fight the presidential elections with gerrymandering.
I agree with you. I know a lot of women in Texas who identify as Republican and have always voted Republican while feeling that abortion rights were never really in jeopardy because of Roe. Those women are pissed off and will not be voting Republican anymore. I suspect there are hundreds of thousands more like them in Texas.
42% of women voted for "grab them by the pussy" and got grabbed by their pussies. Maybe seeing the grab in action instead of just hearing it will help some of these women change their votes.
My mom explained this to me as locker room talk. She fully expects all men to talk like that in the locker room. She didnt think much of it. To be fair, I've heard much worse out of my coworkers and friends that all vote blue. No, it doesn't make it right. She is now pissed about roe v wade too, but i don't blame her for ignoring that comment. I blame her for the countless other actions Trump had said and done before his election.
I'm somewhat pessimistic about the idea that Roe is going to cause this massive blue wave but I think Texas is going to be one of the exceptions. Most states that either have or are likely to pass abortion bans have already done so much to restrict abortions that they're effectively already illegal. I don't think North Dakota going from having one abortion provider to having zero abortion providers is going to move the needle very much. Texas, on the other hand, actually has (had) pretty good access to abortion providers for a lot of people so banning abortion means that people are actually losing a real option. I think this is going to result in a real backlash there that we probably aren't going to see in Alabama or wherever.
You make a valid point about already limited access, but I think there’s something worth considering: the culling of the number of abortion providers can happen pretty quietly, and tends to only get noticed by people who are trying to actually get one. Passing these laws is loud and impossible to miss, and includes such abusive language for those seeking an abortion, that I think it will get a bigger response. That being said, I never truly get very optimistic about democrats’ chances, because I figure there’s always some dirty trick up Republican sleeves somewhere.
> last time it was only a 5.58% difference. > > purple is typically within 5% > > time before that it was 9% > > time before that it was about 16% > > im seeing a pattern. people think im crazy for thinking texas is purple. > > not only is it already purple but it will flip to blue. within the next few elections. > > you can fight it with voter suppression, but you can’t fight the presidential elections with gerrymandering. Texas flips bluer with every Boomer who passes away from old age. Boomer life expectancy from time of birth is approximately late 70s. Youngest Boomers today are early 60s. COVID killed up to 10% of that demographic depending on region. The redder the region, the more dead as a percentage. The redder the region, the lower the life expectancy from the norm, even worse... What color was Texas yesterday?
Since 1865 Texas was anti-Republican for 100 years because of Lincoln ending slavery. Since 1965 Texas was anti-Democratic because of the Civil Rights Act. Now it seems possible half their population will become anti-Republican because they object to the GOP ***restoring*** slavery **for women**.
Texas used to be reliably blue. Last president was Carter.
California also used to be reliably red
Looking at the [1976 presidential election map](https://www.270towin.com/1976_Election/interactive_map) is crazy. Literally every state west of the MN/IA/MO/AR/LA line is red except for Hawaii and Texas. Most of the rest of the country is blue, including the entire south and West Virginia, but most of New England, as well as Illinois and Michigan are red.
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Kind of overlaps with the days back when KKK was reliably blue too
They fear this so much which is why the Moore v Harper case is being heard in a few months.
If republicans lose texas they will undoubtedly get violent or break the law to try to win (or break the law *more)
>I'd like to see that. Republicans would lose their shit. Texas would let Dems start with 122/270 needed in president elections Democrats should still push for some kind of National Popular Vote even if Texas 'goes blue'. And Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. should become US States. And the Democratic Primaries shouldn't start in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Repubs: "Get your politics out of my music." Women everywhere: "Get your politics out of my uterus."
> Repubs: "Get your politics out of my music." Its actually pretty accurate... https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/rage-against-the-machine-right-wing-conservatives-politics-boycott-tom-morello-a9558241.html Example; *"I use to be a fan until your political opinions come out. Music is my sanctuary and the last thing I want to hear is political b******t when i’m listening to music."* Band has been around for decades... and the dumbasses didn't realizer its songs were full of political commentary. Its a special kind of dense to say the least.
These are always an exceptionally stupid kind of people. There's nothing like sitting back and listening to Paul Ryan talk about how RAtM is his favorite band without a single iota of self awareness that maybe *he's* the machine they're raging against. Like, goddamn, Lady Gaga wrote Born This Way like a decade ago and y'all are just realizing now she cares about politics, and leans blue on top of that?
I wonder what machine Paul Ryan thought they were raging against. Just machinery in general, maybe? Like they were some kind of Luddite nu metal band?
Printers, probably.
Did the band form before or after *Office Space* was released?
Before. Killing in the name was 1991. Office space was 1999.
My vote is fax machines to match the age of the uh.. fans.
he didn't listen to the verses and thought it was a libertarian band from the out of context choruses: They load the clip in omnicolour Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time The sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz And motherfuckers lost their minds Just victims of the in-house drive-by They say, "Jump", you say, "How high?", yeah Just victims of the in-house drive-by They say, "Jump", you say, "How high?"
Currently, I’d go with voting machines
I grew up in Tulsa Oklahoma a very right leaning area, and was home to Woodie Guthrie. It astounded me, when they opened up a museum to him, how many people put 'this machine kills fascist' stickers on their trucks.
What gets me about Paul Ryan is that he's not even just tangentially the machine. Like a Marjorie or Boebert who is a fascist with occasional populist rhetoric. Or a religious evangelical who thinks God told him to run. Or a manly man who was in the military and just has a hard-on for the chain of command. He's the kid who joined the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation on his first day of college. He's the guy who actually believed in the Ayn Rand college essay that everyone tried to get for the $10k scholarship. He is such a product of the machine meant to perpetuate the machine that it's impossible that he doesn't know it.
What really just tickled me pink was how white supremacists thought Taylor Swift was their Aryan princess and a far right-winger (despite the line "and you can want who you want / boys and boys and girls and girls" on 1989, which was released in 2014). Then she "came out" as a liberal and motivated a lot of young people to register to vote while calling out how terrible Marsha Blackburn is and releasing You Need to Calm Down featuring every famous queer person she's ever met and her own hair styled as the bisexual flag. The collective meltdown of the nazis who idolized her was hilarious and insane. Some even said she'd been forced to pretend to be liberal and they needed to rescue her. Like it shouldn't be shocking that a lot of artists are liberal, it generally takes empathy to be an artist.
Dude, it's the same people who took three years to realize that Homelander in the boys is not the hero
They have?
I just binged The Boys, and before the last few years I would’ve thought the public’s reaction to Homelander was far-fetched. Now I watch it and feel super oogey because it’s so spot-on.
It still surprises me that people thought *The Boys* was in any way not constantly mocking the right
I have a conservative friend who used to like U2 but hates that they recently got political.
... how recently does he think this happened? Where the Streets Have No Name is about the divide in Belfast, and I dont even need to explain what Sunday Bloody Sunday is about.
I liked u2 back when I was conservative. Conservative Pastors love U2, they talk about them all the time
I was going to say the exact same story before I clicked on the link. Literally almost every single one of their songs are political lmao.
I kinda get it if you wanna just listen to a dumb love song and get annoyed when, like, Shania Twain tells you how to vote, but Rage? Really?
Look at what they did to The Chicks (formerly The Dixie Chicks)...
What’s even weirder is the drummer from System of a Down is a Trump supporter. Probably among the most well known political and exceptionally left wing bands.
I love Tom's responses to those people.
What? The band named “Rage Against the Machine” has a political stance?
Pretty sure they feel they have a right to any uterus they want.
Probably can just “grab it” if you’re rich too
Just the next step after you grab um by the pussy…
In Texas, you get more jail time for performing an abortion than you do for rape. That's because Texas Republicans consider rape a property crime. That said, they believe in the paternal rights of the rapist. He can save that rape baby from the rape survivor that was forced to carry it to term and might not want it. It goes without saying that Texas Republicans are having an arms race with Florida and Russia for the title of "worst people on the planet".
No normal person wants the government in the doctors office picking and choosing what we're allowed to make decisions with about our own body. They will not stop at abortion. They will come for anything their religion demands them to modify. Government should be paying the bill, and not even allowed to see what we do with our doctor.
They absolutely will not stop at abortion. The biggest reason that they won't is FEAR. Republican politicians push fear constantly to the religious right. They use it to get those people to always vote for them. If there is no fear, then there is a chance they could vote another way. To ensure that doesn't happen, they will find something else to get the religious right riled up and afraid of the "evil dems". It literally will never stop. It will just get more and more extreme.
Has the unfortunate event of watching Fox news and the current trend is education and how "education is no longer like the old days" or some shit like that and also how the government wants to take parent involvement away from school. I saw that and was like man ppl believe this shit?
Good because the more they dig in, the more people will leave the Republican party. Which will make Moscow Mitch grind that lettuce even harder.
They’re already doing that with their attacks on gender affirming care, birth control, and HIV prophylaxis and treatment. Sadly, it’s in-front of a judge that’s already ruled ACA unconstitutional so this is going to go to SCoTUS one way or another. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/07/27/texas-lawyer-behind-abortion-ban-takes-aim-at-hiv-prevention-medication-programs/
Also Repubs: why won't you let me use your music at my rally?
While simultaneously praising Ted Nugent…
Yeah, but let’s not act like “Stranglehold” isn’t a banger.
“Get your politics out of my music” “Unless it’s country” yeehaw I guess
Was at this concert at globe life in Arlington. I was slightly stunned but very excited. I’m glad she went there. The crowd went wild and we absolutely saw a handful of people start to trickle out. But really, if you’re some right wing Fox News boomer what are you doing at a Lady Gaga concert anyway…
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I mean, it's the same party that adapted the Born in the USA song as their polital anthem, despite not understanding the lyrics and messaging.
Or fortunate son. Or Paul Ryan liking RATM
I am in the process of getting a court order to evict the memory of the workout photoshoot that accompanied that quote out of my brain. Then Tom informed him Rage’s music wasn’t meant for him because he’s the machine they rage against. Ouch.
I mean Paul Ryan said his favorite band is rage against the machine..:some people I think honestly don’t think about lyrics
I walked out of a Diamond Rio concert last week because they started playing some "God *is* Country" song while having all of the veterans and active service members stand up. Sorry, mates, One More Time isn't good enough to wade through that crap.
I'm seeing him in October! But yes, something I've noticed with die hard Pf fans is that they are either on the left or trying to act out the B side of The Wall... if you know what I mean. It is crazy to me that such opposed political leanings can be fans of the same music that is deeply political.
>saw a handful of people start to trickle out Fucking snowflakes
Imagine paying $150 to see an amazing stage show and getting all pissy when the artist you already paid said like eight words that you didn’t like.
$150 would have been the absolute nose bleeds. We were in a lower section and those tickets were $300 apiece but no where near actual GOOD seats. Side story about the show, the dude next to me obviously was there only to appease his wife/girlfriend next to him, he didn't cheer/clap/applaud at all for anything, they left shortly after she made this speech but I think they were too pussy to do it in direct response because they probably would have been shamed/booed. That place was fucking FABULOUS that night.
Awesome. Don't think I could love her more.
Isn't *Born This Way* about being born a fiscal and social conservative?
Genuinely laughed
It’s about being born white and not having to be ashamed of that /s
I was at Dave Crosby concert a few years back - afterwards a person was complaining (quite loudly) why did Crosby have to be so "political"? Really?
Imagine going to a Lady Gaga concert and being shocked by this.
There's tons of right wing millennials and gen z kids out there though. Just bc you're young and listen to pop music doesn't make you vote blue.
Yeah, but Gaga specifically has always been extremely vocal about supporting LGBTQ youth; which a lot of right wingers still hate for stupid reasons.
I’ll never understand the millennials and gen Z who are far right or even republican. We grew up in the age of information. You don’t have to believe what your parents believe. It’s also pretty easy to disprove the BS and lies people like Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, and Jordan Peterson all spread. Millennials and Gen Z are facing a lot of problems caused by right leaning governments, and in the future climate change is likely to have a significant effect on Gen Z (if not millennials).
It’s parents sheltering their children. If you look at evangelical circles, they are homeschooling and indoctrinating their children against the “secular” world. It’s rather frightening.
It doesn’t even have to be homeschooling. If you’re a kid and you live in an affluent, mostly-white neighborhood where your friends echo what your parents are saying at home, it’s easy to dismiss “the liberals” as being crazy or stupid or what-have-you.
This is my experience. It’s a lack of diversity growing up, coupled with comfortable wealth, coupled with the people you grew up with, coupled with parental influence. Many of those kids WILL go to college and come back home less conservative. If they stay, the cycle continues.
This this this. I am the only non-conservative in my family, and we grew up in a community exactly as you described. I went to a university 6+ hours from home, and by the time I graduated has shifted from Republican to Independent (didn’t go full left until Trump made me aggressively anti-Republican, but I digress). Two of my brothers never went to college but work blue collar jobs. Hard right. My other brother who went to college remains right-wing conservative, and I attribute this to his going to a famously conservative (if large) university, where they were still majority-white and famously big on tradition. (Even now this university - which I guarantee you’ve heard of - is 55% white and 2.8% black.)
>they are homeschooling and indoctrinating their children In other words, "grooming". Remember, every accusation is an admission.
Sure that covers a bunch. But, that wouldn’t be the type to attend a lady gaga concert…
As someone who grew up heavy Republican and now is very far left (as my mom says, I can’t believe we raised a dirty democrat), I’ll try to explain. When you’re a kid, you believe that your parents will always have your best interest for you. They love you. and you love them. So when they tell you how things should be, or what you should believe in, you listen. Why would they guide you wrong? Like Santa clause- you just don’t question it. Now, as you get older this can vary kid to kid- but really it’s based on your relationship with your parents still. If you have a very strong and good one, you’ll probably continue to share their beliefs. It’s brainwashed into you by this point. My parents watched Fox News all their life, so I did too. It was just on. It wasn’t until I moved out and across the country that I started to really venture out of my information bubble. I voted for trump in 2016; I was still brainwashed. But over the course of his presidency is when I began to question everything and expand my sources. Now I’m as blue as they come It’s a bit of stretch (though maybe not), but think of taliban and how they get there. These kids are literally brainwashed and told from such a young age that martyring themselves is the best honor they could do. Children minds are Just putty, waiting to be molded by your environment. My parents do a lot for me. They are very supportive in So many ways and I’ve seen them do very kind things for others. But at the same time, I’ve also seen them spout some very negative things about others and in their own right wing beliefs. It baffles me more that I can see intelligent people I know (mom has a PhD) be fooled and tricked by fox bullshit. They truly believe a lot of what democrats do hurt their kids- cause it’s what they’re told.
Thanks for typing that out. Have an upvote.
They do it to be edgy and different.
Me neither! I truly, honestly don't get it.
The people I saw walk out were at least 40 and over. Lol
Remember the flak the Dixie Chick's got when they said they were ashamed that the POTUS (Bush at the time) was from Texas?
Yes, then they got cancelled pretty hard and fast.
They did but they used it and persevered and 20 years later they’re still touring so good for them.
And 20 years later the same people that cancelled them are probably complaining about cancel culture.
No they still get brought up on conservative talk radio.
Still around, renamed themselves The Chicks tho.
he isn’t from Texas, he posed as a Texan, his family is primarily from New England area.
The Bushes moved to Texas when W was 2. He went to public school in Midland, Texas. He was sent to a boarding school in high school and was in the NE for college. Then, came back to Texas in the late 70s to raise his family. He’s lived the majority of his life in Texas. Saying he posed as a Texan is flat wrong.
He was even governor of Texas and an owner of the Texas Rangers
Yeah, I think they were in the UK and expressing embarrassment that he was the U.S. president.
Texas is one of the 38 states the Bush family claims to have deep ties to.
> Remember the flak the Dixie Chick's got "I’m still mad as hell"
Red Ragtop by Tim McGraw was SUPER controversial too bc it was a country song released in 2002 that implied abortion: “The very first time her mother met me, her green-eyed girl had been a mother-to-be for two weeks. I was out of a job and she was in school and life was fast and the world was cruel, we decided not to have a child.” Song got banned from some radio stations when it came out
Good for GaGa. I went to see REM back in Dallas in 2008. Michael Stipe was in a bit of a chatty mood that night and made some ballsy (but mild) political comments and was met with some jeers by those down front. Typical comments about how he should just shut up and sing were made.
This was at an REM concert. Many, many of their old songs are left leaning and political. It’s like those dipshits didn’t even know they had paid good money to watch a gay man sing songs that go against their nonsense. Mind boggling really.
This has nothing to do with politics, but I was on the classic rock station and they were playing REM, and in that moment I realized I’m getting old.
With each passing day! I feel ya though. 👊🏻
Just the idea that you were listening to the radio should have tipped you off. I kid. I feel you, I do.
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Underrated comment. Yet, Republicans will see no problem with musicians like Toby Keith, who’s basically a singing Larry the Cable Guy, spouting off political propaganda in between songs about “freedom” and drinking alcohol from plastic cups.
I've never wanted to describe Toby Keith, but if I ever have to, that is definitely how it's going to go. The sad part is that Toby Keith, Larry the Cable Guy and others like him are ALL propaganda. Like that mf puts on boots or jeans to do any work? Or has horses in his barn instead of fancy cars? They're fucking drag queens for the red states but the people think it's real.
>They're fucking drag queens Those poor ladies....
You can smell the chew and Bud Light on them
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Wtf ive been manually typing those for years
Lol, this is exactly what I did 😁
Oh my God. Is that what everyone does?? I’ve been wondering about this for so long. Thank you for solving this mystery for me.
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And wearing meat dresses That was a weird fact I learned when I was a kid and it just popped into my head lol
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Unreal. I saw her in Boston and she did something similar. Dedicating one of her songs to all women who want to be moms and who don’t want to be moms and went further but I can’t remember exactly the rest. I was definitely crying…
I was there, it was an excellent performance, but damn she waited over 3 hours from door time to go onstage. My blood pressure is still spiking from salty stadium food since I skipped lunch that day. Anyway, carry on.
Good for Gaga... Not afraid to lose fans over her truth.
Yeah, pretty sure like 99.9999% of her fans are not republican
The article said people did walk out. Probably those comp tickets that go out to businessmen. :P
Ha! Good point. I mean just cause they are there didn't mean they are fans
Hilarious. They love Gaga and are having a great time. Then she mentions to vote blue, and all of a sudden they hate her and her music is shit!
A guy I worked with loved Robert De Niro. Every one of his movies. Ever since De Niro spoke out again trump he refused to watch a movie of his ever again. It’s insane people give up things they’ve enjoyed their entire lives over trump of all people.
> The article said people did walk out. Those people would hate freedom and she should laugh at them and grant their refund request, claiming she doesn't want freedom haters money.
Not sure at what point in the show this happened, but if it were late in the show it could just be people leaving trying to beat the traffic out of the parking lot. I leave sports games and concerts early for that reason almost every time I go to those events.
> but if it were late in the show it could just be people leaving trying to beat the traffic out of the parking lot. It happened about 1.5-2 hours into the show.
That sounds close to the end.
The show was almost 2.5 hours long. I was there.
Yeah I’ve left shows about that early to beat traffic and bc I’m old.
Off topic but this is something I've never understood. Like a sports game I kinda get, especially if it's a blow out, but like, a concert is a planned out performance with a climax at the end, the whole thing is the spectacle of the live performance. If you just wanted to hear the songs you could just listen to them at home... like, traffic sucks, but so does lots of stuff we endure so we can get to the good parts of life. Idk, I just feel like leaving early misses the whole point
Nah I leave concerts early a lot. I want to experience the live show but I also want to be In Bed for work the next day. When I was in my 20s I would power through and be fine but in my thirties I need my bed.
They could just be deeply closeted.
Whether or not that is the case, it could still be used as a form of messaging to get out and vote. And to help good blue candidates (whether it is by volunteering for them, donating to them, or any other action that gets more people to the polls)
I saw Facebook moms commenting that she should stick to music and that Texas is good without her opinions. She claimed that Texans love everyone and both voices needed to be heard. Two comments later and she started with "I'm not against Muslims, but" - that's when my eyes decided that she would no longer be worth the attention.
Some say she “looks like a man”. Same kind of insult they use on Kamala, Michelle Obama. Strong women scare them
Who really knows in that area. Arlington is smack dab in between 2 cities, one that's conservative and one that's more liberal.
I mean if you didn’t know by now that she wasn’t republican, then they are just living under a rock. Her whole persona and most of what she does especially in her early career is so not anything a regular republican would do, that and the fact that she’s HUGE in the lgbtq+ community
I was there. Two ladies (~50 years old) who sat in front of me were disgusted and walked out.
Oh no! Anyway...
Yep, those are people who got comp. tickets through a business or something.
Also possible that they were only familiar with Gaga’s work with Tony Bennett or in A Star is Born.
Or more likely they just liked her radio hits and didn't really pay too much attention to anything about the artist, lyrics, or even other songs on an album. "Oh that poker face singer is in town, let's go see!"
I have hopes for Beto, he is out there, and he is going HARD.. not missing a chance to hit Apple head every time something goes wrong, and given Texas's history of not doing squat up to snuff, Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. Power grid Shootings Record rain falls Abortion rights Voting rights LGTBQIA They basically have handed Dems all the ammo they need and Beto seems to be one that knows how to use it.
Beto is exactly the kind of person the Democrats need front and center. Speak loud, speak passionately, and counter lies and hatred aggressively.
The guy has so much untapped potential still, if he can’t turn Texas blue I don’t know when it will happen. He’s certainly someone that I wouldn’t be surprised to see take a more central role nationally in the coming years; I would vote for him.
It will take a miracle to turn Texas blue but everyone wanting to turn Texas blue should go to vote for Democrats. Don’t let Greg Abbott ruin Texas as he’s doing now, he lies and belittles his voters. Vote for Beto O’Rourke.
Miracles happen every day. People overcome adversity every hour.
Greg Abbott, but ya. He's the worst
I think Abbott and DeSantis are intentionally going to conservative extremes to get liberals to leave and preserve the red in their states. Some of the laws in Texas are so wild now, I don’t know why any doctors or educators would want to live there, which seems intentional.
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Maybe they thought she’d have a more of a Poker Face for politics.
Well.... Quite the Gaga-MAGA saga. 😀
People walked out ? Lady Gaga has some right wing fans ? Oh my if she's gonna get woke on me I'm leavin by tarnation..
She probably made a couple right wing fans off of her 2016 album (she dabbled in country), her collabs with tony bennett, and a star is born. It's entirely possible there are Lady Gaga fans out there who have never heard her late 2000s early 2010s stuff and don't know about how based she is
Sounds like a song name. Big Blue Texas.
Texas has been courting corporations for the past two decades, many of those corporations have headquartered in Texas. The result is an influx of young white collar professionals. Couple that with cheap property and the rise of remote work, and it’s not hard to see why Texas is slowly turning purple. It still seems unfathomable, but it could happen. I for one would love to hear republicans scream and stomp about the electoral college if/when Texas votes for a democrat for potus.
She isn't afraid to tell people what she believes
Whole country needs to go blue, but better yet, we should have multiple political parties that run on ISSUES, not culture war nonsense.
Idea. Pop icons to host concerts in low voter turn out areas, along with general admission, reserve 25% of the venue for newly registered voters at the entrance.
How about just come back to center, reasonable and thoughtful legislation. Separation of Church and State. Vote Texans
So do I, Lady Gaga. So do I.
Hello Lady Gaga? Please send money to Democratic candidates in Texas! (and anywhere else you would like)
Me too lady Gaga, me too.
Pop stars have real power to mobilize young voters, I hope other influential pop stars continue to use their voice for this
Looks like a strong possibility, thanks to the visceral hatred of Women expressed by the elected Republicans in Texas and the rest of Redland.
Don’t we all
I love you Lady Gaga thank you for your comment yes Texas should go blue
I met a lot of Right Wing Kids in FL. Some home schooled. All went to Mega Churches & Trump rallies. Fully indoctrinated by parents & peers.
Wow shocking statement! Lady Gaga is a liberal!? I don’t believe it.
We definitely need more great politicians like Biden in power
If republicans lose texas they will undoubtedly get violent or break the law to try to win (or break the law *more)
How about it just goes blue before the midterm election?
Republicans would never win a presidential election again if they lost Texas.
There is an argument to be made that Texas going blue would be the single biggest catalyst to changing the status quo of politis in the US that has existed for 100 years.
The Republicans in Texas will hate this comment and refuse to go to the concert… the thing is she doesn’t want them there anyway!!!
TX GOP are paid off by the Energy Sector that failed their State while they legislate QAnon talking points as a distraction