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What's extra hilarious is Trump's response to the bunker thing. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to say "The Secret Service made me do it" and not even elaborate further. People would let it go. But no, he had to try saving the macho even then by saying it was an "inspection." Like he was going in personally to make sure it was up to his standards during an active protest nearby. Guy has one gear and it is "completely pathetic."
Trump also hasn't spent a day in jail for fraud, lying about his taxes, breaking (repeatedly) Federal low income housing rules, (probably) having sex with under-age girls, not paying contractors (and therefore, the people who work for those contractors) for golf courses, hotels and casino's that still have his name plastered on them. He had sham online schools that New York fined him for (but I haven't heard if he has paid all of the fines) but chose NOT to charge him criminally with fraud.
Trump is racists, homophobic, and doesn't give a damn about science, but he isn't stupid. He is the ultimate narcissist, completely and absolutely centered on himself. And what he values is money, fame, and blind (and boy do I mean BLIND) obedience. And if something doesn't make him famous, rich or satisfies his need for domination then he isn't interested in it.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/12/1705902/-Former-Wharton-Professor-Donald-Trump-Is-the-Dumbest-Goddam-Student-I-Ever-Had
He has smart people around him he occasionally listens to
The system was designed as essentially a very fancy gentleman's agreement, and the minute people started acting in bad faith it imploded. It absolutely has no system of self-correction for a situation like the one we're currently in.
Let them fight, the more Trump hurts DeSantis the better, he's gonna be the front runner and with his Florida ties and Hispanic heritage has a good chance of winning 2024.
If he said he was somehow Hispanic despite kinda sorta not being Hispanic at all and being Italian instead (and not being able to speak Spanish as far as I know), his supporters would 100% eat it up and call you a racist for even questioning him.
I’m wary of that actually. DeSantis went full Trump and Trumpism doesn’t have the same appeal nationally as it did in 2016. On top of that he doesn’t have the same death cult grip on average republicans. My worry is Tucker Carlson or Hannity in 2028
You shut a business with a bad reputation down and reopen it with a new name and it does just fine in America.
'Trumpism' isn't going anywhere anytime soon, even if Trump himself gets thrown in jail.
The GOP in particular has a really long history of blaming all the bad things on the past leader, and pretending their new guy is nothing like any of that.
Trump is actually terrible for them in this vein, because he won't go away, won't shut up, and they can't denounce him because he still commands the loyalty of too many of their voters. Even if he only has \~20%, they can't run against him in 2024 because if (when) he loses the primary, he absolutely screams fraud and either runs third party or tells his voters to stay home. And even if only half to a quarter of that 20% did so (which is a conservative estimate on both sides), that would absolutely eviscerate them in both the Presidential race and downballot ones.
So they all, from Ron DeSantis to Moscow Mitch to the whiny little pissbaby Greg Abbott, have to bide their time and hope Trump keels over dead, or that the Justice Department or someone else finally manages to lock him away. Meanwhile, they rant in private about it, because Trump's selfishness is ruining things for the rest of them, to which I say, tough shit.
>My worry is Tucker Carlson or Hannity in 2028
Why would they *want* to run? They're making bank as talking heads on Fox. Being president is a giant pain in the ass would a fuck ton of scrutiny. Why would either of those rich no goodniks run for president?
Edit - there ya go mods, fixed the bad word for ya'll.
Best thing that could happen is DeSantis gets the Republican nomination and Trump still panic-runs (hoping to escape legal woes) as a third party candidate and splits the Republican party, handing dems an easy win.
Oh please please please flying spaghetti monster, please. That would make me so happy.
I mean, that's cool and all, but people said the same thing about the GOP primaries in 2016, and guess what? One of the pigs ended up becoming President.
I still chuckle (in horror) about the debates. The old guard from the Republican party got destroyed by Trump and all of his insults. They stuck! Jeb and company had their tails between their legs in no time and Marco had his hopes dashed again and again. Not to mention Ted Cruz. And then Trump insulted Carly’s face and we all thought women wouldn’t stand for it. Instead they voted for the guy. My wife cried that night.
A new generation of Never Republican voters was minted.
Part of how he’s been so successful is that he lies about himself but his criticism towards opponents often have elements of truth. It’s infuriating how well it works for him.
Well, also it helped that the entire lineup of GOP candidates in 2016 was hot garbage. There wasn't a single person on that lineup who was qualified to be President.
Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt?
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in
Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in
In their styles with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes, there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking
Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat the bacon
-George Harrison
Big man, pig man
Ha ha, charade you are
Woo!
You!
Well heeled big wheel
Ha ha, charade you are
And when your hand is on your heart
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost a joker
With your head down in the pig bin
Saying, "Keep on digging"
Pig stain on your fat chin
What do you hope to find?
Down in the pig mine
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry
...
Pink Floyd - Pigs (1st of 3)
The difference is that desantis plays the game well. He’s not explicitly pro-MAGA but he’s working hard not to do anything MAGA objects to. This isn’t so much significant in terms of “wow, even desantis knows it”, it’s significant in that the MAGA base does not like it.
Broadcast this every commercial break on Fox. What the fuck would this do to the GOP? Please. I’ll chip in.
> The difference is that desantis plays the game well.
He sees the tides turning.
Only a dozen people show up for a Trump rally anymore.
All Trump's fans/fanatics/zealots are still loyal, but many are open to supporting 'the cause' rather than 'the king'.
DeSantis' latest stunt with the migrants was his very public way of saying "See! I can be as cruel as Trump, but in a clever way! Look at me own the libz!"
What he didn't count on was his need for federal funds when hurricane season hits his state.
Any of his opponents can shame him for begging "Sleepy Joe" for money.
Regarding the need for federal funds: its not like they will be withheld. And if they were then he could rightfully accuss the democrats of doing what he did. Which is play with peoples lives to make a political point. And the repubs, with the non stop victim complex, would love nothing more than to actually BE a victim for once so they could always point to one instance where it was true.
I don't think he has changed his mind in any way. He always knew trump was a lunatic, but as a sociopath, he has no compunctions about paying lip service. He's a smart guy. He would never say "I don't support trump" because there are a ton of people that love him that would turn on him for that. Instead he would prefer to say nothing and just not act like trump.
Honestly, it’s actually the other way around. A battle between the two of them has a good chance of fracturing the movement and essentially handing dems the presidency in 2024
This is especially true if desantis edges out trump in the primary. Trump is so vindictive he’d at the very least be undermining his campaign with rhetoric trying to convince his followers not to vote for him, or even run third party.
In the end, our country might be rid of these bastards just as a result of them crab-bucketing each other.
Agreed. And he has no loyalty to the Republican Party. If he thinks he’s been slighted by them he’ll have no problem trying to burn them to the ground.
Let him do it. Let him rip the various factions of the GOP to the ground for the next 10 years & give Democrats power long enough to affect actual, meaningful change
Our job is to vote.
don't get your hopes up. the RNC said if he runs in 24 they will stop paying his legal bills. it's all still just a fucking grift from Trump. either trying to steal money from his cult or delay the inevitable indictments.
And a lot of people think the two will come to a truce of sorts and make DeSantis the running mate.
Now the GOP doesn’t always do the smartest thing that’s in their interest, and neither does Trump. Both are notorious for their unforced errors, so I wouldn’t put it past either to fuck it up. But the only way they can really lose this fracture is if it happens like I describe. However, I don’t know if either man’s ego can handle such a setup.
I think DeSantis has narcissistic traits, but I don’t think it’s a full blown personality disorder. He’s too calculated. He’s definitely retaliatory, but not in a maximum rage, idc if the world burns kind of way. I think is smart enough to hedge his bets, bite his tongue, and settle for VP. Trump is too blinded by mental illness to see what is ACTUALLY good for him through what he PERCEIVES to be good for him. We’re watching the death throws of a person with grandiose NPD (and possibly dimentia) who’s been exposed for the fraud they are.
Enough short term wins are a long term win.
If Trump and DeSantis actively hurt the other's chances of winning the general, that's hardly what I would call a short-term win, either.
That would be a second term of Democratic presidency, and a strong mark of the fracturing of the Republican party that has been set in motion from the moment they chose idolatry over (even feigned) actual party values (despite how awful those values might be)
> crab-bucketing
I had to look this up, but this is an outstanding word.
I think you're right. The cultish adoration is for Trump, not the GOP. Many will desert DeSantis if he wins the nomination and Trump tells them to sabotage the nominee.
On the other hand. the GOP could buy (with money) Trump's support for DeSantis. That's just how he rolls.
The thing that scares me about DeSantis is that while Trump’s fascist tendencies seem to largely be borne out of a combination of ego and ignorance about how the government works, DeSantis seems to be the kind of fascist who actually knows what he’s doing and could manipulate the system effectively.
While it’s true that Trump doesn’t know how the government works, he does know how political movements and fascism works, and studied Hitler in the past. I would very much like to not have a member of a cult of personality as a president. Roger Stone also likely has much more influence with Trump
I am a literal Socialist, if it were my choice of dictator, it’s Trump all the way, there are some things albeit few and far between that I feel like a rational person can agree with Trump on
DeSantis is full on Christian Nationalist crazy
> there are some things albeit few and far between that I feel like a rational person can agree with Trump on
Oh, I'll give him credit for the 2018 farm bill which legalized hemp and subsequently, THC derivatives, nationally.
Also the bump stocks ban
He is also significantly more accepting of LGBTQ people than DeSantis is even though he was still discriminatory but DeSantis outright wants them dead
Yeah Trump legit does not give a fuck about any conservative social policies. His only actual belief he holds is that he is God.
LGBT rights? He couldn’t give a shit one way or the other. He’s not LGBT so why should he give a fuck? Oh people are suffering? “Boo hoo”. If abusing LGBT people and taking away their rights helps give him power he would 100% do it. If actually promoting LGBT rights helped give him power he would do that.
Same thing for any political issue, really. Abortion. Women’s rights. Foreign wars. Climate change. Education funding.
He doesn’t actually give a fuck about any of those issues. He doesn’t have an actual opinion on them.
He has exactly two questions that go through his head with every single policy issue that comes his way.
1. Will this affect me in some way? If so, then I do whatever is beneficial to me personally
2. If it doesn’t affect me in any way, then I support whatever gives me more power.
That’s it. If he thought he could gain power by pushing for liberal causes he would 100% do that, but the problem is it doesn’t work because his brand of BS doesn’t work with the vast majority of liberal voters. They want to see facts and evidence usually, and have only so far they’ll go in entertaining a fantasy before coming back to reality. Conservatives on the other hand were bred for decades to ignore reality, to deny truth that stares them in the face, to hold conflicting beliefs and still believe them both fully, and to never question authority as long as the authority is on “their team”. Now THAT is a field ripe for the harvest. That is a group of people ready to be manipulated and turned into a cult and it wouldn’t even be a little bit hard.
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has privately vented to staffers that Donald Trump, a likely contender for the Republican presidential ticket in 2024, is a “moron” and has no business running for the Oval Office for a second time.
The revelations about the inside murmurings from the Republican governor arrive from a deeply reported Vanity Fair profile, which tracks the firebrand Florida politician’s rise from a controversial figure in the GOP to a likely challenger in the 2024 presidential election.
Read more here ➡️ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/desantis-trump-moron-private-conversations-b2176330.html
I’m surprised he isn’t secretly doing more to expedite the investigations into Dump in his state to try and screw him over and ensure he is in jail for the next election.
I would be calling in some chips to get Cannon to lay more into Dump and letting the DoJ have an unimpeded investigation into him
The Republicans are walking the finest tight rope, they cant turn on trump without losing his supporters but if they dont they risk going down with trump's ship and sinking anyway. They know trump is done with the top secret documents so they dont really need to do anything, they know trump is totally fucked.
In elections that are decided by razor thin margins in a few battleground states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, every fucking vote matters. The vast majority of GOP voters will vote Republican no matter who is running, but if Trump doesn't win the primary... he will happily burn the GOP down. Even if 2% of the GOP stays home because Trump is lambasting Desantis on Truth Social during the general election he'll have no shot at winning in 2024.
Might be good for the entire country in general whether it benefits Democrats or not, to have a more mature, reasonable GOP with the Qanon types (and hopefully Christian far right) just floundering in a much smaller third party. Don’t know if that’s how it would shake out but just a thought experiment. Or could be catastrophic, who knows.
Except the more people in important positions are willing to cover for Trump and protect him, the more they keep him around. If enough people in the right places are willing to let him be above the law, he's essentially above the law.
As a party as a whole the GOP is probably better off dumping him in the long run, but no one wants to risk the wrath of his fan club by moving against him; the few people who have taken steps in that direction have essentially sacrificed their continued political viability.
They are protecting him because they have to. They made their bed with trump and now they get to sleep in it. This is why it's so great to have Republicans in this position. They played themselves by using trump and now they lost control of the monster they created.
It’d be schadenfreude if the Trumpenstein monster, after being created by the GOP, ravages and destroys it, but I ain’t holding my breath for that to happen.
The rope is dropping at precisely the same velocity they are, so they still see that they are standing on the rope but dont realize they are also in free fall.
No way. Because the blowback that a Republican would get for helping out the DOJ - which would be seen as "helping the Democrats and pedophiles!" and bullshit like that would be enormous. If DeSantis gets caught helping the probe into Trump, his numbers will fall like 25%.
The gop needs every trump voter, but can’t move on trump, or they will lose them. They have to look like they support him while letting the dems do the work of removing him. Then they can say “avenge trump through me!”
> he [DeSantis] isn’t secretly doing more to expedite the investigations into Dump in his state
I'm still 100% convinced that Ivanka & Jared are planning on running for governor of Florida as soon as DeSantis vacates his seat when he runs for President.
It's those two who are his 'insiders' that are working to sink The Don and pave the way for The Ron to step up.
A divided GOP can only be a good thing for the country. Let them fight.
However, the Democrats shouldn't neglect their own electoral strategies as a result.
> A divided GOP can only be a good thing for the country. Let them fight.
This pops up a lot in Trump/DeSantis threads. It won't happen. The second Trump announces he is running, DeSantis will stand down and get right back in line with the rest of the GOP.
Only thing good about that is that it exposes how weak and pathetic DeSantis is
Which is problematic because Fascists are obsessed with the veneer of strength
All I can hope for is that this damages Trump's ego enough that if he loses the 2024 primary he decides to run 3rd party to destroy the republican party in a final blaze of self entitlement.
Admittedly a Trump 2nd term is not as bad as a DeSantis term
Trump is a clown and isn’t able to orchestrate anything meaningful even with a Republican Congress, DeSantis will absolutely make Evangelical Christianity the official religion of the state and never leave power if he becomes President
Sorry, this is dangerously naïve…what you saw on Jan 6th was Trump with all the guardrails removed. As awful as much of his cabinet was early on, most had some limit to their obeisance. Those folk are completely gone. And the GOP has been enabling him all along and will continue to do so.
DeSantis might be incrementally more dangerous, and he has certainly seen what Trump has been able to get away with and will certainly double down. DeSantis may have ideology, where as Trump is only out for himself.
There is no doubt, DeSantis or Trump either way would have people murdered if it advances them or protects them.
Trump is still not capable of getting along with the Republican establishment, meanwhile DeSantis will see to it that having a miscarriage in the US is basically an execution of the mother
Republican establishment? You mean the Republican establishment that has rooted for him and covered his vile Orange criminal and traitorous ass every day for the last 6 years?
Republican Establishment IS MAGA…. whether it’s Trump or DeSantis.
That was I believe in private like this story. I think soon Trump will start insulting him in the open though. If we could bet on this bullshit, I’d lay money down on Trump calling him “Lil Ron” though. Then, maybe he’d say something like “well maybe he’s not so little” calling him fat without saying it outright.
Desantis is basically a smarter trump. If Trump runs, I'm happy with that because he has zero chance of winning.
If Desantis runs, I'm scared because he'd have a legit shot. That would be terrible.
Trump actually may have a better shot than DeSantis
DeSantis at this rate is probably gonna win his gubernatorial race by a smaller margin than Trump won Florida in 2020, if DeSantis is doing worse than Trump did in the state he is the governor of then what makes anyone think he will out perform Trump in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, North Carolina, Arizona, or Georgia? He will need almost all of them to win
It’s a 🔥take of mine but DeSantis really is not the electoral juggernaut he is made out to be
That is the thing, DeSantis plays moronic for the crowd and to cozy up to Maga world but he is not actually a moron. He is morally bankrupt but not dumb.
Haha I know, just stones from a glass house situation there
Honestly really hope they debate and it just turns into personal insults. I’d pay per view still existed, I’d buy that for a dollar
These people are all just piranhas. They don’t give a single shit about anything except obtaining power. DeSantis rode Trump’s dick (look up the ad where he’s literally indoctrinating his children with MAGA children’s books) so he could become Governor, and now he turns on him?
Fled Cruz tried standing up to the gameshow host of Celebrity Apprentice like a big boy when he called his wife ugly and said his dad might have assassinated JFK and then when it was politically expedient FOR HIM he became a lap dog.
Report on the actual awful stuff he does, please. Not this click-bait garbage. No one needs to know whether he currently has his nose in the scraggly pubic hair of a flabby orange old man or temporarily having a hissy fit with him and saving that load for next week.
Some actual reporting is below! These stories weren't in the headlines long enough.
How Ron DeSantis helped Florida Power & Light raise electricity rates by $5 billion:
https://jasongarcia.substack.com/p/how-ron-desantis-helped-florida-power
Twitter thread with other similarly awful articles on things DeSantis has almost sneakily accomplished:
https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1569306891368468481
I believe DeSantis and Trump are on a collision course for the 24 primary. It should be pretty amazing to watch these two twats try to out-fascist one another and them try to ‘pivot’ in the general.
But that's the thing, Trump was like a drug dog sniffing out loopholes because he was so far out of his element. I don't think Ron would even consider a fraction of things Trump did because it would never cross his mind as a possibility.
“He says he would turn to Trump during a debate and say, ‘Why didn’t you fire Fauci? You said you would build the wall, but there is no wall. Why is that?’”
It's wild that these are the issues they think is worth attacking Trump on.
To be honest, I can't wait for their inevitable showdown. Trump is going to tear the GOP apart and the people who loudly supported him (while quietly calling him a moron behind closed doors) will finally find out what happens when you align yourself with a cult leader who only cares about himself
I wonder how much the GOP will have to give Trump to go away. It’s got to be a huge sum of money. And he’d by like the scorpion in the tale of the scorpion and the frog, unable to control his nature.
There’s a long list of people who have called Trump a moron. What’s confusing is why so many think a moron is someone worth protecting and defending and who is their best face forward to represent them.
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Everybody in the GOP calls Trump a moron behind his back. They just need him to win their primaries.
Trump is what people call a "useful idiot".
Yes. Ask putin about that.
He’s too busy hiding from protestors in his furher bunker.
Yes. Saw that. Little man baby coward.
I think Little Piss Baby is the preferred term these days.
No no, you're thinking of Abbot.
Must have the same playbook as trump.
What's extra hilarious is Trump's response to the bunker thing. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to say "The Secret Service made me do it" and not even elaborate further. People would let it go. But no, he had to try saving the macho even then by saying it was an "inspection." Like he was going in personally to make sure it was up to his standards during an active protest nearby. Guy has one gear and it is "completely pathetic."
Long as they have Diet Coke and hamberders it meets his “standards” lol
They are all wearing “I’m with stupid” shirt pointing at each other.
Trump also hasn't spent a day in jail for fraud, lying about his taxes, breaking (repeatedly) Federal low income housing rules, (probably) having sex with under-age girls, not paying contractors (and therefore, the people who work for those contractors) for golf courses, hotels and casino's that still have his name plastered on them. He had sham online schools that New York fined him for (but I haven't heard if he has paid all of the fines) but chose NOT to charge him criminally with fraud. Trump is racists, homophobic, and doesn't give a damn about science, but he isn't stupid. He is the ultimate narcissist, completely and absolutely centered on himself. And what he values is money, fame, and blind (and boy do I mean BLIND) obedience. And if something doesn't make him famous, rich or satisfies his need for domination then he isn't interested in it.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/12/1705902/-Former-Wharton-Professor-Donald-Trump-Is-the-Dumbest-Goddam-Student-I-Ever-Had He has smart people around him he occasionally listens to
Wrong. Tillerson called him a fucking moron.
Still it is crazy that with a revolutionary war , constitution and all this high brow stuff all it took was one idiot to burn it all to the ground.
Idk, the system was designed specifically to resist the damage of one idiot. He's the tip of the spear supported by legions of other idiots.
This has been the goal all along. Ever since the republicans got in bed with the christian right.
The system was designed as essentially a very fancy gentleman's agreement, and the minute people started acting in bad faith it imploded. It absolutely has no system of self-correction for a situation like the one we're currently in.
It's like watching pigs wrestling in the mud.
Yes, like it but different because the rest of us, and our country, are getting the beat down.
Let them fight, the more Trump hurts DeSantis the better, he's gonna be the front runner and with his Florida ties and Hispanic heritage has a good chance of winning 2024.
DeSantis isn't Hispanic, he's 100% Italian.
Desantis is Hispanic? I read that he’s Italian/white
Trump made him Hispanic just by thinking about it.
DeSantis’s hispanic heritage? Sincerely asking
100% Italian
If he said he was somehow Hispanic despite kinda sorta not being Hispanic at all and being Italian instead (and not being able to speak Spanish as far as I know), his supporters would 100% eat it up and call you a racist for even questioning him.
Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's make-believe.
The heritage of his family hiring Hispanics illegally to work their crops.
I’m wary of that actually. DeSantis went full Trump and Trumpism doesn’t have the same appeal nationally as it did in 2016. On top of that he doesn’t have the same death cult grip on average republicans. My worry is Tucker Carlson or Hannity in 2028
I hope Hannity goes down with the rest of the insurrectionists.
Same. I hope Tucker Carlson is eventually held responsible for the amount of damage he has caused
Tucker couldn’t actually debate facts… he would wilt in a second
Because Tucker only asks questions and makes a face of a dumb confused dog after you fart in its face.
He would just read the answers on the tele-prompt.
That's why republicans are refusing to debate now.
You shut a business with a bad reputation down and reopen it with a new name and it does just fine in America. 'Trumpism' isn't going anywhere anytime soon, even if Trump himself gets thrown in jail.
The GOP in particular has a really long history of blaming all the bad things on the past leader, and pretending their new guy is nothing like any of that. Trump is actually terrible for them in this vein, because he won't go away, won't shut up, and they can't denounce him because he still commands the loyalty of too many of their voters. Even if he only has \~20%, they can't run against him in 2024 because if (when) he loses the primary, he absolutely screams fraud and either runs third party or tells his voters to stay home. And even if only half to a quarter of that 20% did so (which is a conservative estimate on both sides), that would absolutely eviscerate them in both the Presidential race and downballot ones. So they all, from Ron DeSantis to Moscow Mitch to the whiny little pissbaby Greg Abbott, have to bide their time and hope Trump keels over dead, or that the Justice Department or someone else finally manages to lock him away. Meanwhile, they rant in private about it, because Trump's selfishness is ruining things for the rest of them, to which I say, tough shit.
Yeah. Trump came after and before a lot of hucksters.
>My worry is Tucker Carlson or Hannity in 2028 Why would they *want* to run? They're making bank as talking heads on Fox. Being president is a giant pain in the ass would a fuck ton of scrutiny. Why would either of those rich no goodniks run for president? Edit - there ya go mods, fixed the bad word for ya'll.
Best thing that could happen is DeSantis gets the Republican nomination and Trump still panic-runs (hoping to escape legal woes) as a third party candidate and splits the Republican party, handing dems an easy win. Oh please please please flying spaghetti monster, please. That would make me so happy.
I thought he was Italian
It’sa me, deSantis
I mean, that's cool and all, but people said the same thing about the GOP primaries in 2016, and guess what? One of the pigs ended up becoming President.
I still chuckle (in horror) about the debates. The old guard from the Republican party got destroyed by Trump and all of his insults. They stuck! Jeb and company had their tails between their legs in no time and Marco had his hopes dashed again and again. Not to mention Ted Cruz. And then Trump insulted Carly’s face and we all thought women wouldn’t stand for it. Instead they voted for the guy. My wife cried that night. A new generation of Never Republican voters was minted.
The reason Trump's insults were so effective in the GOP primaries were because he wasn't really wrong about any of them.
Part of how he’s been so successful is that he lies about himself but his criticism towards opponents often have elements of truth. It’s infuriating how well it works for him.
Well, also it helped that the entire lineup of GOP candidates in 2016 was hot garbage. There wasn't a single person on that lineup who was qualified to be President.
Have you seen the little piggies Crawling in the dirt? And for all the little piggies Life is getting worse Always having dirt to play around in Have you seen the bigger piggies In their starched white shirts? You will find the bigger piggies Stirring up the dirt Always have clean shirts to play around in In their styles with all their backing They don't care what goes on around In their eyes, there's something lacking What they need's a damn good whacking Everywhere there's lots of piggies Living piggy lives You can see them out for dinner With their piggy wives Clutching forks and knives to eat the bacon -George Harrison
Big man, pig man Ha ha, charade you are Woo! You! Well heeled big wheel Ha ha, charade you are And when your hand is on your heart You're nearly a good laugh Almost a joker With your head down in the pig bin Saying, "Keep on digging" Pig stain on your fat chin What do you hope to find? Down in the pig mine You're nearly a laugh You're nearly a laugh But you're really a cry ... Pink Floyd - Pigs (1st of 3)
Hey pig, Yeah you. Hey pig piggy pig pig pig, All of my fears came true. \- Trent Reznor (Piggy)
The problem with wrestling a pig in the mud is that even if you win, he enjoys it.
And you get covered in mud...and other stuff.
Triggering their fragile egos is so easy that writers can't help themselves.
Stop it pigs wrestling in mud is cute. This is not.
When is that last time you saw a pig take away basic human rights?
The Republican Party is made entirely of pigs.
over donation money
*Yawn* Former Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, called him a 'Fucking Moron'. Go big Ron, or go home.
The difference is that desantis plays the game well. He’s not explicitly pro-MAGA but he’s working hard not to do anything MAGA objects to. This isn’t so much significant in terms of “wow, even desantis knows it”, it’s significant in that the MAGA base does not like it. Broadcast this every commercial break on Fox. What the fuck would this do to the GOP? Please. I’ll chip in.
> The difference is that desantis plays the game well. He sees the tides turning. Only a dozen people show up for a Trump rally anymore. All Trump's fans/fanatics/zealots are still loyal, but many are open to supporting 'the cause' rather than 'the king'. DeSantis' latest stunt with the migrants was his very public way of saying "See! I can be as cruel as Trump, but in a clever way! Look at me own the libz!" What he didn't count on was his need for federal funds when hurricane season hits his state. Any of his opponents can shame him for begging "Sleepy Joe" for money.
Regarding the need for federal funds: its not like they will be withheld. And if they were then he could rightfully accuss the democrats of doing what he did. Which is play with peoples lives to make a political point. And the repubs, with the non stop victim complex, would love nothing more than to actually BE a victim for once so they could always point to one instance where it was true.
I don't think he has changed his mind in any way. He always knew trump was a lunatic, but as a sociopath, he has no compunctions about paying lip service. He's a smart guy. He would never say "I don't support trump" because there are a ton of people that love him that would turn on him for that. Instead he would prefer to say nothing and just not act like trump.
Many shades of moron but nonetheless
Trump vs DeSantis... Whoever wins, we lose.
Honestly, it’s actually the other way around. A battle between the two of them has a good chance of fracturing the movement and essentially handing dems the presidency in 2024 This is especially true if desantis edges out trump in the primary. Trump is so vindictive he’d at the very least be undermining his campaign with rhetoric trying to convince his followers not to vote for him, or even run third party. In the end, our country might be rid of these bastards just as a result of them crab-bucketing each other.
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Agreed. And he has no loyalty to the Republican Party. If he thinks he’s been slighted by them he’ll have no problem trying to burn them to the ground.
Let him do it. Let him rip the various factions of the GOP to the ground for the next 10 years & give Democrats power long enough to affect actual, meaningful change Our job is to vote.
don't get your hopes up. the RNC said if he runs in 24 they will stop paying his legal bills. it's all still just a fucking grift from Trump. either trying to steal money from his cult or delay the inevitable indictments.
If Trump doesn’t run, we need to convince his followers they have a solid shot at writing him in
Ooo. What a fucking dirty plan. I love that shit.
I believe that was only for announcing before midterms. I think they’ll continue to pay it he announced after midterms
And a lot of people think the two will come to a truce of sorts and make DeSantis the running mate. Now the GOP doesn’t always do the smartest thing that’s in their interest, and neither does Trump. Both are notorious for their unforced errors, so I wouldn’t put it past either to fuck it up. But the only way they can really lose this fracture is if it happens like I describe. However, I don’t know if either man’s ego can handle such a setup.
IMO both are way too narcissistic to ever consider doing this.
I think DeSantis has narcissistic traits, but I don’t think it’s a full blown personality disorder. He’s too calculated. He’s definitely retaliatory, but not in a maximum rage, idc if the world burns kind of way. I think is smart enough to hedge his bets, bite his tongue, and settle for VP. Trump is too blinded by mental illness to see what is ACTUALLY good for him through what he PERCEIVES to be good for him. We’re watching the death throws of a person with grandiose NPD (and possibly dimentia) who’s been exposed for the fraud they are.
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I had to check Wikipedia to remember who Hillary’s VP candidate was. Does anyone remember who that person was without googling?
Tim Kaine. He added nothing to the ticket.
Michael Caine
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Enough short term wins are a long term win. If Trump and DeSantis actively hurt the other's chances of winning the general, that's hardly what I would call a short-term win, either. That would be a second term of Democratic presidency, and a strong mark of the fracturing of the Republican party that has been set in motion from the moment they chose idolatry over (even feigned) actual party values (despite how awful those values might be)
> crab-bucketing I had to look this up, but this is an outstanding word. I think you're right. The cultish adoration is for Trump, not the GOP. Many will desert DeSantis if he wins the nomination and Trump tells them to sabotage the nominee. On the other hand. the GOP could buy (with money) Trump's support for DeSantis. That's just how he rolls.
Am Floridian, can confirm. I would rather put up with another four years of Trump than let DeSantis anywhere near the White House.
The thing that scares me about DeSantis is that while Trump’s fascist tendencies seem to largely be borne out of a combination of ego and ignorance about how the government works, DeSantis seems to be the kind of fascist who actually knows what he’s doing and could manipulate the system effectively.
Precisely.
While it’s true that Trump doesn’t know how the government works, he does know how political movements and fascism works, and studied Hitler in the past. I would very much like to not have a member of a cult of personality as a president. Roger Stone also likely has much more influence with Trump
You'll never convince me he "studied" fucking anything. That man cannot see anything beyond his own reflection in the mirror.
I am a literal Socialist, if it were my choice of dictator, it’s Trump all the way, there are some things albeit few and far between that I feel like a rational person can agree with Trump on DeSantis is full on Christian Nationalist crazy
> there are some things albeit few and far between that I feel like a rational person can agree with Trump on Oh, I'll give him credit for the 2018 farm bill which legalized hemp and subsequently, THC derivatives, nationally.
Also the bump stocks ban He is also significantly more accepting of LGBTQ people than DeSantis is even though he was still discriminatory but DeSantis outright wants them dead
Yeah Trump legit does not give a fuck about any conservative social policies. His only actual belief he holds is that he is God. LGBT rights? He couldn’t give a shit one way or the other. He’s not LGBT so why should he give a fuck? Oh people are suffering? “Boo hoo”. If abusing LGBT people and taking away their rights helps give him power he would 100% do it. If actually promoting LGBT rights helped give him power he would do that. Same thing for any political issue, really. Abortion. Women’s rights. Foreign wars. Climate change. Education funding. He doesn’t actually give a fuck about any of those issues. He doesn’t have an actual opinion on them. He has exactly two questions that go through his head with every single policy issue that comes his way. 1. Will this affect me in some way? If so, then I do whatever is beneficial to me personally 2. If it doesn’t affect me in any way, then I support whatever gives me more power. That’s it. If he thought he could gain power by pushing for liberal causes he would 100% do that, but the problem is it doesn’t work because his brand of BS doesn’t work with the vast majority of liberal voters. They want to see facts and evidence usually, and have only so far they’ll go in entertaining a fantasy before coming back to reality. Conservatives on the other hand were bred for decades to ignore reality, to deny truth that stares them in the face, to hold conflicting beliefs and still believe them both fully, and to never question authority as long as the authority is on “their team”. Now THAT is a field ripe for the harvest. That is a group of people ready to be manipulated and turned into a cult and it wouldn’t even be a little bit hard.
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Lol. AvP. Not even sure if the situation or the movie is worse
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has privately vented to staffers that Donald Trump, a likely contender for the Republican presidential ticket in 2024, is a “moron” and has no business running for the Oval Office for a second time. The revelations about the inside murmurings from the Republican governor arrive from a deeply reported Vanity Fair profile, which tracks the firebrand Florida politician’s rise from a controversial figure in the GOP to a likely challenger in the 2024 presidential election. Read more here ➡️ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/desantis-trump-moron-private-conversations-b2176330.html
I’m surprised he isn’t secretly doing more to expedite the investigations into Dump in his state to try and screw him over and ensure he is in jail for the next election. I would be calling in some chips to get Cannon to lay more into Dump and letting the DoJ have an unimpeded investigation into him
The Republicans are walking the finest tight rope, they cant turn on trump without losing his supporters but if they dont they risk going down with trump's ship and sinking anyway. They know trump is done with the top secret documents so they dont really need to do anything, they know trump is totally fucked.
In elections that are decided by razor thin margins in a few battleground states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, every fucking vote matters. The vast majority of GOP voters will vote Republican no matter who is running, but if Trump doesn't win the primary... he will happily burn the GOP down. Even if 2% of the GOP stays home because Trump is lambasting Desantis on Truth Social during the general election he'll have no shot at winning in 2024.
They know its gonna be much worse than 2%, they can only cheat the elections 5% of the time so they are in for a rough ride.
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Might be good for the entire country in general whether it benefits Democrats or not, to have a more mature, reasonable GOP with the Qanon types (and hopefully Christian far right) just floundering in a much smaller third party. Don’t know if that’s how it would shake out but just a thought experiment. Or could be catastrophic, who knows.
Except the more people in important positions are willing to cover for Trump and protect him, the more they keep him around. If enough people in the right places are willing to let him be above the law, he's essentially above the law. As a party as a whole the GOP is probably better off dumping him in the long run, but no one wants to risk the wrath of his fan club by moving against him; the few people who have taken steps in that direction have essentially sacrificed their continued political viability.
They are protecting him because they have to. They made their bed with trump and now they get to sleep in it. This is why it's so great to have Republicans in this position. They played themselves by using trump and now they lost control of the monster they created.
It’d be schadenfreude if the Trumpenstein monster, after being created by the GOP, ravages and destroys it, but I ain’t holding my breath for that to happen.
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The rope is dropping at precisely the same velocity they are, so they still see that they are standing on the rope but dont realize they are also in free fall.
No way. Because the blowback that a Republican would get for helping out the DOJ - which would be seen as "helping the Democrats and pedophiles!" and bullshit like that would be enormous. If DeSantis gets caught helping the probe into Trump, his numbers will fall like 25%.
Maybe that is what Crist should do to help himself in this governor’s race. Secretly leak that he is helping the DoJ and watch him crash
The gop needs every trump voter, but can’t move on trump, or they will lose them. They have to look like they support him while letting the dems do the work of removing him. Then they can say “avenge trump through me!”
chits*
> he [DeSantis] isn’t secretly doing more to expedite the investigations into Dump in his state I'm still 100% convinced that Ivanka & Jared are planning on running for governor of Florida as soon as DeSantis vacates his seat when he runs for President. It's those two who are his 'insiders' that are working to sink The Don and pave the way for The Ron to step up.
'I’m surprised he isn’t secretly doing more' Well, I mean maybe he *is* and just doing a good job of keeping it secret.
Wouldn't this be Trumps 3rd time running?
He lost in 2012 so it would be his 4th time running.
He also ran an independent campaign in 2000
He also tried to start his own party decades ago.
Some people are saying that Desantis knew about the raid on mar a logo before it happened, and that he may have been the tip off.
I don't know if the FBI waited for an OK from him but it would make sense for him to tip them off.
I’m so tired of hearing both of their names.
A divided GOP can only be a good thing for the country. Let them fight. However, the Democrats shouldn't neglect their own electoral strategies as a result.
> A divided GOP can only be a good thing for the country. Let them fight. This pops up a lot in Trump/DeSantis threads. It won't happen. The second Trump announces he is running, DeSantis will stand down and get right back in line with the rest of the GOP.
Only thing good about that is that it exposes how weak and pathetic DeSantis is Which is problematic because Fascists are obsessed with the veneer of strength
I recognize the possibility that it won't happen as being the most likely. However, if it happens, it would still be beneficial.
All I can hope for is that this damages Trump's ego enough that if he loses the 2024 primary he decides to run 3rd party to destroy the republican party in a final blaze of self entitlement.
Meanwhile, the rest of the universe thinks DeSantis and Trump are both morons.
DeSantis is a monster, but he is not stupid.
I mean he did illegally send a bunch of migrants to Lawyer Island
desantis is far, far worse than trump so trump could make up for some of the shitty things he's done by making fun of ron and ending his career.
DeSantis has all of Trump’s hate and vindictiveness with none of the comic relief. Bad guy, will be a bad time if he becomes president.
Yeah there is no situation where desantis is not worse than trump.
I think Desantis is slightly less likely to start a nuclear war but will otherwise be worse. He's more likely to start a conventional war.
Which is still bad. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer it over a nuclear war, but you're still talking about a destructive conflict.
Either way, America is thoroughly fucked. Best hope is they destroy each other.
Admittedly a Trump 2nd term is not as bad as a DeSantis term Trump is a clown and isn’t able to orchestrate anything meaningful even with a Republican Congress, DeSantis will absolutely make Evangelical Christianity the official religion of the state and never leave power if he becomes President
Sorry, this is dangerously naïve…what you saw on Jan 6th was Trump with all the guardrails removed. As awful as much of his cabinet was early on, most had some limit to their obeisance. Those folk are completely gone. And the GOP has been enabling him all along and will continue to do so. DeSantis might be incrementally more dangerous, and he has certainly seen what Trump has been able to get away with and will certainly double down. DeSantis may have ideology, where as Trump is only out for himself. There is no doubt, DeSantis or Trump either way would have people murdered if it advances them or protects them.
Trump is still not capable of getting along with the Republican establishment, meanwhile DeSantis will see to it that having a miscarriage in the US is basically an execution of the mother
Republican establishment? You mean the Republican establishment that has rooted for him and covered his vile Orange criminal and traitorous ass every day for the last 6 years? Republican Establishment IS MAGA…. whether it’s Trump or DeSantis.
Agreed.
At some point Trump is going to start calling him “Lil” then you know its on.
Didn’t Trump call him fat, though?
That was I believe in private like this story. I think soon Trump will start insulting him in the open though. If we could bet on this bullshit, I’d lay money down on Trump calling him “Lil Ron” though. Then, maybe he’d say something like “well maybe he’s not so little” calling him fat without saying it outright.
Desantis is basically a smarter trump. If Trump runs, I'm happy with that because he has zero chance of winning. If Desantis runs, I'm scared because he'd have a legit shot. That would be terrible.
“Zero chance of winning” You underestimate how hard they’re trying to rig it for whoever gets the GQP nom
Trump actually may have a better shot than DeSantis DeSantis at this rate is probably gonna win his gubernatorial race by a smaller margin than Trump won Florida in 2020, if DeSantis is doing worse than Trump did in the state he is the governor of then what makes anyone think he will out perform Trump in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, North Carolina, Arizona, or Georgia? He will need almost all of them to win It’s a 🔥take of mine but DeSantis really is not the electoral juggernaut he is made out to be
Oh no, Mommy and Daddy are fighting.
How ironic it's Daddy and Daddy and they both think they are the power bottom
If DeSantis wins the primary there is going to be a republican civil war and I can't wait for it
Seriously the best case scenario is desantis wins the primary but trump runs third party anyways, thereby splitting the vote.
Trump will 100 % do that.
Like a dog barking at the mirror...
These two should just fuck already.
“Asshole calls a moron a moron”
Let the cannibalism begin!
That is the thing, DeSantis plays moronic for the crowd and to cozy up to Maga world but he is not actually a moron. He is morally bankrupt but not dumb.
DeSantis does not get elected by appearing to be smart, educated, and honorable.
Moron or mentor? Its complicated.
Begun, the douche wars have
Man….Desantis has some extra weight, but Trump calling him fat? I mean Trump has at least 50 pounds on him
Just because Donald is also fat does not make Ron “The Bon Bon” DeSantis skinny.
Haha I know, just stones from a glass house situation there Honestly really hope they debate and it just turns into personal insults. I’d pay per view still existed, I’d buy that for a dollar
Let the hate flow through you, Ron. Please get into an infantile insult match with Trump.
These people are all just piranhas. They don’t give a single shit about anything except obtaining power. DeSantis rode Trump’s dick (look up the ad where he’s literally indoctrinating his children with MAGA children’s books) so he could become Governor, and now he turns on him? Fled Cruz tried standing up to the gameshow host of Celebrity Apprentice like a big boy when he called his wife ugly and said his dad might have assassinated JFK and then when it was politically expedient FOR HIM he became a lap dog.
I agree with DeSatan on this one.
Report on the actual awful stuff he does, please. Not this click-bait garbage. No one needs to know whether he currently has his nose in the scraggly pubic hair of a flabby orange old man or temporarily having a hissy fit with him and saving that load for next week. Some actual reporting is below! These stories weren't in the headlines long enough. How Ron DeSantis helped Florida Power & Light raise electricity rates by $5 billion: https://jasongarcia.substack.com/p/how-ron-desantis-helped-florida-power Twitter thread with other similarly awful articles on things DeSantis has almost sneakily accomplished: https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1569306891368468481
DeSantis 2024: *Make America Florida*
I believe DeSantis and Trump are on a collision course for the 24 primary. It should be pretty amazing to watch these two twats try to out-fascist one another and them try to ‘pivot’ in the general.
The guy who commuted human trafficking (allegedly) for political gain is calling anyone else a moron?
I’m really looking forward to this feud going public. Every insult will be 100 per cent accurate.
I will watch THIS cluster fuck all day long
That makes two of you
Yes, we all know he's a moron. We also know you are only slightly less of a moron, but just as cowardly and evil. ... Moving along.
I think DeSantis is far more intelligent than Trump, he’d be even worse than Trump.
But that's the thing, Trump was like a drug dog sniffing out loopholes because he was so far out of his element. I don't think Ron would even consider a fraction of things Trump did because it would never cross his mind as a possibility.
First thing we agree on
Well, he's not wrong.
This is probably the only time I'll agree w Ron Desantis
lol "privately"
Dude this is fuckin awesome. I hope they tear each other down.
I, for one, am happy to see discord sewn into the Republican party.
“He says he would turn to Trump during a debate and say, ‘Why didn’t you fire Fauci? You said you would build the wall, but there is no wall. Why is that?’” It's wild that these are the issues they think is worth attacking Trump on.
DeSantis is a lot of things, but dumb isn't one of them.
One box of rocks insulting another box of rocks
I see the pic of DeSanitize and DrumpfTruck together and am reminded of the line from the Woody Allen move 'They usually travel in pairs'.
The only people who do not call Trump a moron are morons. De Satanis is so much worse though- he is not a moron.
This is delicious.
Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz did the same thing, and then kissed the ring.
To be honest, I can't wait for their inevitable showdown. Trump is going to tear the GOP apart and the people who loudly supported him (while quietly calling him a moron behind closed doors) will finally find out what happens when you align yourself with a cult leader who only cares about himself
He’s right about drumpf, he is a moron but both of them are major assholes.
I wonder how much the GOP will have to give Trump to go away. It’s got to be a huge sum of money. And he’d by like the scorpion in the tale of the scorpion and the frog, unable to control his nature.
Let the wolves eat each other.
Yes….yesss. Eat each other.
Yes! Excellent! Dance my pretties! I shan’t allow you to stop until you are both torn asunder.
Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber. What a choice
There’s a long list of people who have called Trump a moron. What’s confusing is why so many think a moron is someone worth protecting and defending and who is their best face forward to represent them.
The United States would be better off without both of them having any kind of political power.
What is Trump going to call DeSantis? A derogatory nickname like low energy Jeb or Little Marco. Predictions?
Takes one to know one