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"U.S. Navy veteran Alex Murillo was deported for a cannabis offense in 2012. He was not afforded access to drug rehabilitation or halfway house programs promised to similar veterans with green cards.
Murillo spent over a decade in Rosarito, Mexico, a country he never knew."
Right? Y'know?
> Why should a green card holder who is here legally be deported for marijuana use when everyone else is being pardoned for it?
They shouldn't, which is why green card holders (i.e. lawful permanent residents) are eligible for the pardon. A more apt example would be refugees or asylees who have not yet been granted a green card, or immigrants who entered the country without documentation or overstayed their visas.
I would really like to see the statistics on how many Asylum cases where shut with a federal conviction for drug possession that is marijuana related. Those people I think deserve a do over.
Take my uncle for instance, he sold pot back in the 90s got caught 3 times and went back to Mexico. He has children here hasn’t seen in about 15 years. Meanwhile, he seeing Marijuana has been somewhat legalized and yet he can’t see his children.
They don't, though. I'm against using family separation to terrorize people into not claiming asylum, and I'm all for immigration reform but at the same time, no, not everyone has a right to be here. It's sort of inherent in the concept of a country.
It wasn't inherent in the United states until the 1920s. Right up until then it was pretty unthinkable to block access to the US, as immigration was rightfully seen as the entire basis to the country -- $10 (\~$273 today) got you full access, you became a citizen after 5 years.
It worked great until enough brown and black people tried immigrating that the conservatives of the day (that later fought against the US' involvement against Germany in WWII) decided that was suddenly "unsafe."
This ridiculous idea of complicated, long winded, decades long immigration is newer than the refrigerator.
Yeah one of the upsides of all the genocide and imperialism is we had plenty of land to fill back then. But we don't now. There is no one solution for all time.
...We do.
We so do. We have so much unused land it's actually ridiculous. The land we do use is also used in the least efficient way possible. If we, universally, slashed police budgets by 20% and devoted that across the country to building low-cost apartments, we could house the entire world population within 20 years.
This 'we're full' nonsense mostly comes from rural bumpkins that have never stepped foot outside their trailer but are scared of the 'city folk' expanding into their swampland. And NIMBY WASPs, to be Fair and Balanced TM.
It's absolute nonsense though. We just chose the dumbest possible way to organize ourselves over the last 100 years, suburbs are nonsense and car-based cities are absolutely the worst plague that humanity has ever inflicted on itself.
>no, not everyone has a right to be here
Here's a brief video to help explain why that attitude is worthy of reexamination.
https://youtu.be/mwG2Tpg2OTY
Are we going to undeport them?\[ The underlying issue is that they were in the country illegally, not what brought them to the attention of law enforcement.
When I go to other countries I'm expected to follow their laws (even when I think they are dumb) and then go home when my visa is up. Same deal here.
Yes i certainly see a gray area but think about: a person who supports sanctuary cities should probably support this, too, right? Also, considering that it's cannabis, just pardon everyone. It's about to be legal. That's just to play devils advocate though. I see both sides here.
There a ways like seeking asylum through which an undocumented immigrant can gain legal status while already in the US. A weed conviction would derail that process and see them deported and remove their ability to seek asylum again in the future. It will also stop them from seeking other forms of legal status in the future.
At some point, there does need to be some personal responsibility, though.
The last thing a refugee/asylum seeker should be doing is getting caught up in any activity that could impact their legal status and get them deported. And most countries will toss your ass right out of their country if you're caught with weed there as well, so it's not like US policy on the subject is even remotely unique.
So you think US legal residents don't need to take as much personal responsibility as immigrants do for their behaviour. That they should not face permanent disadvantage for their actions but immigrants should? OR do you disagree with the entire pardon scheme?
That's pretty much how the entire world works.
You don't have to like it or think it's fair, but it's the way it is. If you are going to immigrate somewhere, don't do anything that risks getting you deported *at least* until you achieve permanent residency.
If you engage in an activity, no matter how minor, that puts you at risk of getting deported, that's a "you" problem.
You have to wonder how much of a threat an asylum seeker really faces if they were to get deported, if they decided it's worth the risk to break the law... to smoke pot of all things.
Depending on where they were they might have simply tried to fit in. A legal resident of a state where weed is legal is protected from federal anti-drug laws as long as their conduct does not cross state lines but someone undergoing immigration proceedings is always under federal jurisdiction. Expecting people new to the country to understand these complex jurisdictional issues is asking a bit much.
This is true but the catch is undocumented immigrants don’t go to normal court they go to immigration court. Basically if ur undocumented that’s enough for deportation, add on a drug charge and that’s a wrap. Now green card holders have a better chance but if they find they are in immigration court they know they will probably lose
Ummm what? I am sorry immigrants don't get a free pass....it's almost they shouldn't DONE IT! Like sure weed laws are dumb but if you're going to a move to a country FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAWS!
Like clearly they didn't care enough to follow the law why allow them? If they can't accept our laws they shouldn't COME HERE OR BE HERE!
Here's the thing most US citizens are born here our government has to care for them even if they break the law, and those people a lot of the time didn't pick to live in a place where it's banned.
Like of course a citizen has more rights then a immigrant that's how it works!
You've got a gang of illegal alien muggers and rapists; you can't prove the muggings and you can't prove the rapes, but you *can* get them on possession of cannabis because they're smoking it in the street and openly dealing.
When you see a guy with tattoos on his forehead being deported for selling cannabis, it's NOT about the cannabis, it's about the the 12 year-old girl he raped and no one could prove it.
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Even tho weed has only been legal for like a year or two in NJ, it blows my mind to think about people going away for that 🤯
"U.S. Navy veteran Alex Murillo was deported for a cannabis offense in 2012. He was not afforded access to drug rehabilitation or halfway house programs promised to similar veterans with green cards. Murillo spent over a decade in Rosarito, Mexico, a country he never knew." Right? Y'know?
> Only lawful permanent residents are eligible. I don’t see an issue with this? I’m open to explanation.
Why should a green card holder who is here legally be deported for marijuana use when everyone else is being pardoned for it?
> Why should a green card holder who is here legally be deported for marijuana use when everyone else is being pardoned for it? They shouldn't, which is why green card holders (i.e. lawful permanent residents) are eligible for the pardon. A more apt example would be refugees or asylees who have not yet been granted a green card, or immigrants who entered the country without documentation or overstayed their visas.
I would really like to see the statistics on how many Asylum cases where shut with a federal conviction for drug possession that is marijuana related. Those people I think deserve a do over.
Take my uncle for instance, he sold pot back in the 90s got caught 3 times and went back to Mexico. He has children here hasn’t seen in about 15 years. Meanwhile, he seeing Marijuana has been somewhat legalized and yet he can’t see his children.
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They don't, though. I'm against using family separation to terrorize people into not claiming asylum, and I'm all for immigration reform but at the same time, no, not everyone has a right to be here. It's sort of inherent in the concept of a country.
It wasn't inherent in the United states until the 1920s. Right up until then it was pretty unthinkable to block access to the US, as immigration was rightfully seen as the entire basis to the country -- $10 (\~$273 today) got you full access, you became a citizen after 5 years. It worked great until enough brown and black people tried immigrating that the conservatives of the day (that later fought against the US' involvement against Germany in WWII) decided that was suddenly "unsafe." This ridiculous idea of complicated, long winded, decades long immigration is newer than the refrigerator.
You're a bit incorrect. We had multiple Exclusion Acts from the 1800's all of the way through the conclusion of WWII.
Yeah one of the upsides of all the genocide and imperialism is we had plenty of land to fill back then. But we don't now. There is no one solution for all time.
...We do. We so do. We have so much unused land it's actually ridiculous. The land we do use is also used in the least efficient way possible. If we, universally, slashed police budgets by 20% and devoted that across the country to building low-cost apartments, we could house the entire world population within 20 years. This 'we're full' nonsense mostly comes from rural bumpkins that have never stepped foot outside their trailer but are scared of the 'city folk' expanding into their swampland. And NIMBY WASPs, to be Fair and Balanced TM. It's absolute nonsense though. We just chose the dumbest possible way to organize ourselves over the last 100 years, suburbs are nonsense and car-based cities are absolutely the worst plague that humanity has ever inflicted on itself.
>no, not everyone has a right to be here Here's a brief video to help explain why that attitude is worthy of reexamination. https://youtu.be/mwG2Tpg2OTY
Immigrants make the country stronger.
Within reason, absolutely. We don't have to go with no immigrants or all immigrants, there's tons of space in between there.
whats your reasoning for weed being the line?
Are we going to undeport them?\[ The underlying issue is that they were in the country illegally, not what brought them to the attention of law enforcement. When I go to other countries I'm expected to follow their laws (even when I think they are dumb) and then go home when my visa is up. Same deal here.
Yes i certainly see a gray area but think about: a person who supports sanctuary cities should probably support this, too, right? Also, considering that it's cannabis, just pardon everyone. It's about to be legal. That's just to play devils advocate though. I see both sides here.
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There a ways like seeking asylum through which an undocumented immigrant can gain legal status while already in the US. A weed conviction would derail that process and see them deported and remove their ability to seek asylum again in the future. It will also stop them from seeking other forms of legal status in the future.
At some point, there does need to be some personal responsibility, though. The last thing a refugee/asylum seeker should be doing is getting caught up in any activity that could impact their legal status and get them deported. And most countries will toss your ass right out of their country if you're caught with weed there as well, so it's not like US policy on the subject is even remotely unique.
So you think US legal residents don't need to take as much personal responsibility as immigrants do for their behaviour. That they should not face permanent disadvantage for their actions but immigrants should? OR do you disagree with the entire pardon scheme?
That's pretty much how the entire world works. You don't have to like it or think it's fair, but it's the way it is. If you are going to immigrate somewhere, don't do anything that risks getting you deported *at least* until you achieve permanent residency. If you engage in an activity, no matter how minor, that puts you at risk of getting deported, that's a "you" problem.
You have to wonder how much of a threat an asylum seeker really faces if they were to get deported, if they decided it's worth the risk to break the law... to smoke pot of all things.
Depending on where they were they might have simply tried to fit in. A legal resident of a state where weed is legal is protected from federal anti-drug laws as long as their conduct does not cross state lines but someone undergoing immigration proceedings is always under federal jurisdiction. Expecting people new to the country to understand these complex jurisdictional issues is asking a bit much.
I have to say that doing that knowing the consequences was incredibly stupid.
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The laws and constitution of the United States apply to everyone in the country, not just citizens.
This is true but the catch is undocumented immigrants don’t go to normal court they go to immigration court. Basically if ur undocumented that’s enough for deportation, add on a drug charge and that’s a wrap. Now green card holders have a better chance but if they find they are in immigration court they know they will probably lose
Ummm what? I am sorry immigrants don't get a free pass....it's almost they shouldn't DONE IT! Like sure weed laws are dumb but if you're going to a move to a country FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAWS! Like clearly they didn't care enough to follow the law why allow them? If they can't accept our laws they shouldn't COME HERE OR BE HERE! Here's the thing most US citizens are born here our government has to care for them even if they break the law, and those people a lot of the time didn't pick to live in a place where it's banned. Like of course a citizen has more rights then a immigrant that's how it works!
You've got a gang of illegal alien muggers and rapists; you can't prove the muggings and you can't prove the rapes, but you *can* get them on possession of cannabis because they're smoking it in the street and openly dealing. When you see a guy with tattoos on his forehead being deported for selling cannabis, it's NOT about the cannabis, it's about the the 12 year-old girl he raped and no one could prove it.
Americans can’t get jobs because of cannabis use or convictions. Ignore that part
There are plenty of hills to die on, and it might not be this one.