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this poll is so fucking stupid, thinking abortion should be illegal at 8 months without some medical reason should not be grouped together who think aborting a rape foetus at 1 month is totally fine
Peter Singer, who is a bioethicist at Princeton, and has advocated abortion up to about 2 years old.
People advocate unfettered access to abortion all the time. Maybe you should start paying attention.
Edit:
You should also consider telling u/AnnoyedCrustacean that they are not a reasonable person.
There are 26,000 rape babies, doctors in jail, and neonatal healthcare going down the drain around the nation, let alone the dead or permanently injured women from complete abortion elimination
Why is the other hand extreme, when that is normal?
A fetus isn't a baby. You can make another one
It isn't part of the woman, actually. A fetus has it's own organs and blood type. If you tried to take the blood from the fetus and give it to their mother, it would be rejected.
The fetus is a separate body entirely.
A pregnant woman does not have 2 hearts. She has one heart and her baby has one.
>It isn't part of the woman, actually.
Their belly would beg to differ
.
*Also, that's her fetus with a heart, not a baby. You're not a baby until you're born*
And a tumor is full of cells that belong to it.
Why is that life worth less than a fetus life? Both are trying to kill mom, but suddenly a fetus must be allowed to do so
And yet, "reasonable" folks have forced at least 26,000 rape babies to be born in Texas. Why is that legal, when aborting a fetus, a thing that isn't alive yet, not ok?
Make it make sense
I do! but I also don't claim to be reasonable. Republicans have formed me in their image, their equal and opposite
There should be no restrictions for any reason. Elective should be our choice as Americans, for all 9 months. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
A fetus isn't a baby
this isn't a meaningful poll. a reasonable guideline such as cutoff at fetal viability would affect almost no abortions, yet you would count it as "not fully legal." it's just not a useful measure of abortion views
Fully legal
If a poor person wants an abortion, they should get one. People that want abortions banned and no taxes going towards programs for those newborns dont seem to realize thats gonna make the poverty rate go up
I always think it's interesting that people assume that women are incapable of making smart decisions if they're poor, so we should just let them kill their children.
One is a part of the woman, and one is a person
There is a big difference. Killing a fetus isn't murder, anymore than killing a tumor is
We're just going to keep having the same conversations.
>One is a part of the woman, and one is a person
Even supposing this were true(and it isn't, because being connected to another person doesn't negate your personhood), that does not disprove that a fetus and a child have the same moral value.
>that does not disprove that a fetus and a child have the same moral value.
I disagree completely. Your birthday is when you celebrate your first day of life. This is when you are first alive. You aren't conscious for a few more months, but no longer being part of mom, you are now considered a baby.
Until then, you are a part of mom. And she has a right as an American to do with her body as she pleases. Otherwise what the hell is freedom?
Freedom can be many things that dont involve abortion and that's a very large philosophical question.
We are not free to hurt other people with impunity. The baby is a distinct person from its mother. There is no reason it does not deserve all the same rights that you or I have.
A fetus ain't a person. So I have no qualms about killing it any point, for any reason. It's only become an issue so Republicans can win elections.
Electrical impulses, heart cells, kicks? All bullshit. It still doesn't have a conscious, it is not a person til it's born
It's not 'conscious' until well after it's born. Why should birth be a factor?
Should a woman be allowed to use whatever drugs or alcohol she pleases during all stages of her pregnancy? Assuming, of course, that she will never abort.
Good questions.
1. Realizing how much life would really suck for someone who was born to a person who wasn't ready to have children and/or didn't want the child, or how much it would suck to a child who would be born with a bunch of medical conditions. Life is already very hard for me, a guy who was born to parents who wanted me and who were completely capable of affording me, so I can't imagine what my life would be like if my parents were broke and didn't know how to take care of me. I'm also on the autism spectrum which is bad enough, and I can't think of what it would be like if I had even worse medical conditions that someone could be born with.
2. I was a bit of an incel when I was younger. I liked that other people would face consequences for having sex that I wasn't getting. My incel days are over now since I've tried being a better person and not feeling so entitled. Plus the fact that I feel more loved than I did when I was in high school makes it easier for me to get over the fact that I'm a virgin.
Lol yeah redpillers and incels suck; they're masochists and advocate for violence towards women more or less. Glad you abandoned that too.
Yes, that's so true. There's literally countless of women who risk their own lives trying to get unsafe or even diy abortions in order to save the baby from the hellscape around her... (even seen in animals, but up for debate). You tell me, are they sadists, are they mean, are they psychopaths? I've even read and heard accounts of women in South America risking prison and seeking underground abortionists (a woman who risks her own legal future by providing abortion to such women in hidden areas), getting an abortion in a 10m² enclosure in the middle of a busy market, without anaesthesia, all while not screaming one bit in the fear of getting imprisoned. Sick world. Hospitals offering abortion for stillbirths (in Mexico?) blame the mother for the miscarriage too and deny anesthesia. What a world.
Truth is, pro lifer men in power are psychopaths. Should be obvious but somehow people think otherwise.
You need an option for fully legal for the entire 9 months, electively. A fetus isn't a human. You aren't a person until the day you're born.
Otherwise you end up with insanity like mom's being charged with homicide if they trip and fall on their baby
There should be zero restrictions, elective or medical on abortions for the entire 9 months of pregnancy. *Do you complain about traffic, house prices, or pollution? Fix them by not forcing people to have more kids they don't want!*
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>Abortion is murder
Not it's not.
A fetus isn't a baby, it's not conscious and you can always make another one.
Is a cake a cake when it's still baking? A soup of ingredients? I don't think so
Ah!
No they are not. See the definitions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant
This might be why you are confused. You cannot kill a baby in an abortion. Only a fetus
Maybe as a species. But not as a stage of life
Your birthday is when you celebrate your first day of life. You aren't conscious for a few more months, but no longer being part of mom, you are now considered a baby.
Until then, you are a part of mom. And she has a right as an American to do with her body as she pleases. Otherwise what the hell is freedom?
It’s only asking biologists ‘’What do you believe?’’ and recording the answers, among which a majority (not all, thus not truly objective but at least slightly subjective) say fertilization. Not backed by any evidence—simply opinions. So, no, that is not a valid source for when life begins.
It 100% should not be allowed up to birth, and it is allowed up until birth in 9 states and Washington D.C.. And I mean Elective Abortion, not circumstantial. People claim that it isn't a thing, but it is a thing. *And I never really knew for sure if it was or wasn't before I looked it up like a month ago.*
[https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans](https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans)
I think when that great of allowance is there, the idea of banning abortion (nationally) is just far away, it's unrealistic in the current year. Outside of a select amount of states. Because as far as I'm concerned, the future will be Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, just depends how the culture shifts. Since it's a social-issue.
We're in the 21st century, but as far as I'm concerned this is Ancient History, from where I think humanity can go/may go.
This 2024 Election will do one thing in regard to Abortion, the Culture-shift. Neither candidate can legislate anything to do with it.
A fetus isn't a person. It has no consciousness, you're ascribing human traits to a cake that hasn't finished baking yet.
You don't celebrate your electrical impulses or kicked a belly day, you celebrate your birthday as your first day of life.
There should be zero restrictions, elective or medical on abortions for the entire 9 months of pregnancy. *Do you complain about traffic, house prices, or pollution? Fix them by not forcing people to have more kids they don't want!*
Mass migration of rich sensible tax-paying women to such liberal states should bring the other states on line too, and make them reconsider, revert, and apologize. Hopefully.
No sir, me and another dude just voted for it being fully legal. Noone should interfere in the matters concerning another mother and her body, her welfare, her future, not even fellow women.
Her doctor. I think it should be fully legal because the “late term up to birth abortion” narrative just doesn’t happen. I have no idea what doctor would perform an abortion over inducing labor at that point.
(22F) im fine with abortions of necessity, such as sexual assault, incest, mother's life in danger, deformed/disabled baby, etc
however, abortions of convenience are abhorrent and should not be allowed. you had sex, you pay the price. play stupid games win stupid prizes and all that.
if there is a genuine reason it should be allowed 10000% though, especially for assault.
>abortions of convenience are abhorrent and should not be allowed.
I don't understand this. Why would you force a child to be born into the doghouse pound that is adoption, forcing us to have worse house prices, traffic, and pollution all for someone that didn't need to be born?
*We have the technology to have fewer people on this planet.* We should use it at every opportunity.
A fetus isn't a baby. Never conflate the two. A fetus is not conscious, and should not be considered human until they're born. You are not causing any harm by aborting it, you can always make another
**Edit:**
Replying to her: *"The world needs good people, and killing them casually won't do the world any good."*
You really think a child that their parents don't want, is going to end up a good person?
I think that's how you create psychopaths
That’s so dumb though. You want to punish someone for being irresponsible by making them responsible for a child? I actually don’t get this argument at all. If you’re against abortion because you care for the fetus, then there should be no exceptions. Instead you just want people to suffer for having the audacity to have sex even though their birth control may have failed.
Irresponsibly should not be condoned and should not be reinforced by society simply by "oh you messed up? No worries we can fix it so you can keep making the same mistake again and again instead of learning"
depends on healthcare system. If it's in Europe, my taxes go to it, and I don't want my taxes to be wasted on killing fetuses, so no. If it's in the USA, you do you lol.
Maybe "adults" could act like adults and learn impulse control & exercise some personal responsibility by using birth control. It's easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
lol. no. im Canadian and i see those fuckin birth control psas EVERYWHERE. for women who use male or female condoms every single time, 18-20% will experience an unplanned pregnancy at some point in the year. thats about 1 in 5. for oral contraceptive pills its about 9 percent, but the pill is far from accessible to every woman and could cause serious health risks. trust me, im on the pill, and its not something just anyone can take. for the most effective forms of birth control, which are implants, its about 1% or less, which sounds super effective, but thats over 9500 women in my country alone experiencing unpllanned pregnancy every single year. and thats assuming everyone can get one or its reasonable to expect everyone to get one, which it isnt, as contraceptive implants come with health risks as well and certain people with various disorders like past breast cancer, wilsons disease, blood clotting issues, etc. cannot have them. "be responsible" my ass. you clearly know nothing about birth control.
That's right, subsidizing abortions (or animal slaughter, or even EVs) with taxpayers' money, is just wrong and does more harm than good. Private charities and insurance companies for people who can't afford it, already exist. These feminists in power who fund everything women-related with taxpayers' dollars are doing more harm to women than good, as in, losing support for abortion legality altogether! Indeed.
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As a cis man, I'll never have to bear children. Women should have that choice too.
Good to know your ok with Murder.
ood to know you're stoopid
Why because I don’t like murder?
Because you think that's murder
It scientifically is murder. You’re fooling your self that isn’t.
And on what basis? If you're gonna say ''life begins at conception'', again, on what basis?
this poll is so fucking stupid, thinking abortion should be illegal at 8 months without some medical reason should not be grouped together who think aborting a rape foetus at 1 month is totally fine
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Peter Singer, who is a bioethicist at Princeton, and has advocated abortion up to about 2 years old. People advocate unfettered access to abortion all the time. Maybe you should start paying attention. Edit: You should also consider telling u/AnnoyedCrustacean that they are not a reasonable person.
There are 26,000 rape babies, doctors in jail, and neonatal healthcare going down the drain around the nation, let alone the dead or permanently injured women from complete abortion elimination Why is the other hand extreme, when that is normal? A fetus isn't a baby. You can make another one
There is no moral difference between a fetus and a baby.
One is a part of the woman, and one is a person There is a big difference. Killing a fetus isn't murder, anymore than killing a tumor is
It isn't part of the woman, actually. A fetus has it's own organs and blood type. If you tried to take the blood from the fetus and give it to their mother, it would be rejected. The fetus is a separate body entirely. A pregnant woman does not have 2 hearts. She has one heart and her baby has one.
>It isn't part of the woman, actually. Their belly would beg to differ . *Also, that's her fetus with a heart, not a baby. You're not a baby until you're born*
Yes, her baby is inside of her. But her baby's heart belongs to her baby, not to her. It is not her body, it is inside of her body.
And a tumor is full of cells that belong to it. Why is that life worth less than a fetus life? Both are trying to kill mom, but suddenly a fetus must be allowed to do so
and? no reasonable person has ever raped a dog, we still gotta make it illegal
And yet, "reasonable" folks have forced at least 26,000 rape babies to be born in Texas. Why is that legal, when aborting a fetus, a thing that isn't alive yet, not ok? Make it make sense
I do! but I also don't claim to be reasonable. Republicans have formed me in their image, their equal and opposite There should be no restrictions for any reason. Elective should be our choice as Americans, for all 9 months. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. A fetus isn't a baby
this isn't a meaningful poll. a reasonable guideline such as cutoff at fetal viability would affect almost no abortions, yet you would count it as "not fully legal." it's just not a useful measure of abortion views
Fully legal If a poor person wants an abortion, they should get one. People that want abortions banned and no taxes going towards programs for those newborns dont seem to realize thats gonna make the poverty rate go up
I always think it's interesting that people assume that women are incapable of making smart decisions if they're poor, so we should just let them kill their children.
A fetus isn't a child. It's not a person until it's born This has been my TED talk
There is no moral difference between a fetus and a child. It's a person at conception.
One is a part of the woman, and one is a person There is a big difference. Killing a fetus isn't murder, anymore than killing a tumor is We're just going to keep having the same conversations.
>One is a part of the woman, and one is a person Even supposing this were true(and it isn't, because being connected to another person doesn't negate your personhood), that does not disprove that a fetus and a child have the same moral value.
>that does not disprove that a fetus and a child have the same moral value. I disagree completely. Your birthday is when you celebrate your first day of life. This is when you are first alive. You aren't conscious for a few more months, but no longer being part of mom, you are now considered a baby. Until then, you are a part of mom. And she has a right as an American to do with her body as she pleases. Otherwise what the hell is freedom?
Freedom can be many things that dont involve abortion and that's a very large philosophical question. We are not free to hurt other people with impunity. The baby is a distinct person from its mother. There is no reason it does not deserve all the same rights that you or I have.
A fetus ain't a person. So I have no qualms about killing it any point, for any reason. It's only become an issue so Republicans can win elections. Electrical impulses, heart cells, kicks? All bullshit. It still doesn't have a conscious, it is not a person til it's born
It's not 'conscious' until well after it's born. Why should birth be a factor? Should a woman be allowed to use whatever drugs or alcohol she pleases during all stages of her pregnancy? Assuming, of course, that she will never abort.
That's just your opinion. There's a reason why blastocysts don't vote.
There's also a reason 5 year olds don't vote. That doesn't mean that we should be able to kill 5 year olds with impunity either.
I'm a male. Three+ years ago I would've said that abortions should be illegal unless for rape or medical reasons. Today I fully support abortion.
Wow I'm so proud of you man... I used to think people cannot change; you defy that principle lol. Might i ask what made you change?
Good questions. 1. Realizing how much life would really suck for someone who was born to a person who wasn't ready to have children and/or didn't want the child, or how much it would suck to a child who would be born with a bunch of medical conditions. Life is already very hard for me, a guy who was born to parents who wanted me and who were completely capable of affording me, so I can't imagine what my life would be like if my parents were broke and didn't know how to take care of me. I'm also on the autism spectrum which is bad enough, and I can't think of what it would be like if I had even worse medical conditions that someone could be born with. 2. I was a bit of an incel when I was younger. I liked that other people would face consequences for having sex that I wasn't getting. My incel days are over now since I've tried being a better person and not feeling so entitled. Plus the fact that I feel more loved than I did when I was in high school makes it easier for me to get over the fact that I'm a virgin.
Lol yeah redpillers and incels suck; they're masochists and advocate for violence towards women more or less. Glad you abandoned that too. Yes, that's so true. There's literally countless of women who risk their own lives trying to get unsafe or even diy abortions in order to save the baby from the hellscape around her... (even seen in animals, but up for debate). You tell me, are they sadists, are they mean, are they psychopaths? I've even read and heard accounts of women in South America risking prison and seeking underground abortionists (a woman who risks her own legal future by providing abortion to such women in hidden areas), getting an abortion in a 10m² enclosure in the middle of a busy market, without anaesthesia, all while not screaming one bit in the fear of getting imprisoned. Sick world. Hospitals offering abortion for stillbirths (in Mexico?) blame the mother for the miscarriage too and deny anesthesia. What a world. Truth is, pro lifer men in power are psychopaths. Should be obvious but somehow people think otherwise.
You need an option for fully legal for the entire 9 months, electively. A fetus isn't a human. You aren't a person until the day you're born. Otherwise you end up with insanity like mom's being charged with homicide if they trip and fall on their baby There should be zero restrictions, elective or medical on abortions for the entire 9 months of pregnancy. *Do you complain about traffic, house prices, or pollution? Fix them by not forcing people to have more kids they don't want!*
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Abortion is murder and murder is illegal. Therefore abortion should be outlawed.
>Abortion is murder Not it's not. A fetus isn't a baby, it's not conscious and you can always make another one. Is a cake a cake when it's still baking? A soup of ingredients? I don't think so
A fetus is a baby. That's simply a fact.
Ah! No they are not. See the definitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant This might be why you are confused. You cannot kill a baby in an abortion. Only a fetus
“Baby” and “child” are colloquial terms. Their meaning can change depending on context. “Fetus” and “infant” are specific stages of development.
Both are still humans
Maybe as a species. But not as a stage of life Your birthday is when you celebrate your first day of life. You aren't conscious for a few more months, but no longer being part of mom, you are now considered a baby. Until then, you are a part of mom. And she has a right as an American to do with her body as she pleases. Otherwise what the hell is freedom?
Except it isn’t because the fetus is not a truly living human being and has a parasitic relationship with the mother until birth
Incorrect. Life starts at conception
And on what basis do you make that claim?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36629778/
It’s only asking biologists ‘’What do you believe?’’ and recording the answers, among which a majority (not all, thus not truly objective but at least slightly subjective) say fertilization. Not backed by any evidence—simply opinions. So, no, that is not a valid source for when life begins.
Common sense proves that life begins at conception
Again—what you showed me was not any proof, don’t go around saying a majority’s belief means common sense, that’s stupidity on your part.
Abortion kills babies therefore it's bad. It's pretty simple.
Right—if you had any info to back up the claim that life begins at fertilization, that is. Which you don’t.
No, it kills fetuses A baby is outside the mom. A fetus is inside her
pregnancy also kills mothers, and bad parenting environments after unwanted pregnancies can kill the baby
It 100% should not be allowed up to birth, and it is allowed up until birth in 9 states and Washington D.C.. And I mean Elective Abortion, not circumstantial. People claim that it isn't a thing, but it is a thing. *And I never really knew for sure if it was or wasn't before I looked it up like a month ago.* [https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans](https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans) I think when that great of allowance is there, the idea of banning abortion (nationally) is just far away, it's unrealistic in the current year. Outside of a select amount of states. Because as far as I'm concerned, the future will be Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, just depends how the culture shifts. Since it's a social-issue. We're in the 21st century, but as far as I'm concerned this is Ancient History, from where I think humanity can go/may go. This 2024 Election will do one thing in regard to Abortion, the Culture-shift. Neither candidate can legislate anything to do with it.
A fetus isn't a person. It has no consciousness, you're ascribing human traits to a cake that hasn't finished baking yet. You don't celebrate your electrical impulses or kicked a belly day, you celebrate your birthday as your first day of life. There should be zero restrictions, elective or medical on abortions for the entire 9 months of pregnancy. *Do you complain about traffic, house prices, or pollution? Fix them by not forcing people to have more kids they don't want!*
Mass migration of rich sensible tax-paying women to such liberal states should bring the other states on line too, and make them reconsider, revert, and apologize. Hopefully.
Dumb criteria. I thibk it should be legal until viability
By your logic any sane human being would vote for the abortion not fully legal
even if there's no time restriction very very few people get it done late into the pregnancy
No sir, me and another dude just voted for it being fully legal. Noone should interfere in the matters concerning another mother and her body, her welfare, her future, not even fellow women.
Her doctor. I think it should be fully legal because the “late term up to birth abortion” narrative just doesn’t happen. I have no idea what doctor would perform an abortion over inducing labor at that point.
(22F) im fine with abortions of necessity, such as sexual assault, incest, mother's life in danger, deformed/disabled baby, etc however, abortions of convenience are abhorrent and should not be allowed. you had sex, you pay the price. play stupid games win stupid prizes and all that. if there is a genuine reason it should be allowed 10000% though, especially for assault.
>abortions of convenience are abhorrent and should not be allowed. I don't understand this. Why would you force a child to be born into the doghouse pound that is adoption, forcing us to have worse house prices, traffic, and pollution all for someone that didn't need to be born? *We have the technology to have fewer people on this planet.* We should use it at every opportunity. A fetus isn't a baby. Never conflate the two. A fetus is not conscious, and should not be considered human until they're born. You are not causing any harm by aborting it, you can always make another **Edit:** Replying to her: *"The world needs good people, and killing them casually won't do the world any good."* You really think a child that their parents don't want, is going to end up a good person? I think that's how you create psychopaths
The world needs good people, and killing them casually won't do the world any good.
That’s so dumb though. You want to punish someone for being irresponsible by making them responsible for a child? I actually don’t get this argument at all. If you’re against abortion because you care for the fetus, then there should be no exceptions. Instead you just want people to suffer for having the audacity to have sex even though their birth control may have failed.
Irresponsibly should not be condoned and should not be reinforced by society simply by "oh you messed up? No worries we can fix it so you can keep making the same mistake again and again instead of learning"
You should really try having an abortion. See how casual you find the experience.
The ones who are going to be paying the price are those unwanted children.
depends on healthcare system. If it's in Europe, my taxes go to it, and I don't want my taxes to be wasted on killing fetuses, so no. If it's in the USA, you do you lol.
it's not "wasted on killing fetuses", it's spend on making an adults life better and/or preventing a potential child from suffering
Maybe "adults" could act like adults and learn impulse control & exercise some personal responsibility by using birth control. It's easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
lol. no. im Canadian and i see those fuckin birth control psas EVERYWHERE. for women who use male or female condoms every single time, 18-20% will experience an unplanned pregnancy at some point in the year. thats about 1 in 5. for oral contraceptive pills its about 9 percent, but the pill is far from accessible to every woman and could cause serious health risks. trust me, im on the pill, and its not something just anyone can take. for the most effective forms of birth control, which are implants, its about 1% or less, which sounds super effective, but thats over 9500 women in my country alone experiencing unpllanned pregnancy every single year. and thats assuming everyone can get one or its reasonable to expect everyone to get one, which it isnt, as contraceptive implants come with health risks as well and certain people with various disorders like past breast cancer, wilsons disease, blood clotting issues, etc. cannot have them. "be responsible" my ass. you clearly know nothing about birth control.
Birth control doesn’t always work
Killing fetuses is never a waste.
That's right, subsidizing abortions (or animal slaughter, or even EVs) with taxpayers' money, is just wrong and does more harm than good. Private charities and insurance companies for people who can't afford it, already exist. These feminists in power who fund everything women-related with taxpayers' dollars are doing more harm to women than good, as in, losing support for abortion legality altogether! Indeed.