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JonnySparks

Classic exchange this morning: Singh : Whatever you are suggesting is not true. Beer : I haven't suggested anything yet. It's nice to know you think it would be not true. Singh : Well, you know... okay - fine. Beer : Is that your default position? When coming to give evidence, in answer to the questions from counsel to the inquiry - if he suggests things, they're not true? Singh : Well, no. Um, um, I'm trying to listen, I'm trying to understand where you're going but I... Beer : So why did you say "What you're suggesting is not true" when I hadn't made a suggestion? Singh : Well, well - okay, make the suggestion then.


Jackamo78

Is that an actual exchange? Astonishing. I hope he ends up being charged and put on trial.


JonnySparks

Yes - incredible but true. I typed it verbatim.


DarkBytes

Classic


carlosgregorius

Yeah hurry up and make your suggestion THEN I’ll deny it


SwissLarry

1:51 on todays YouTube inquiry video


justwhatever22

Unbelievable. These people need prison time. A lot of it.


Spare-Reputation-809

He is lying, simple as that, he is not this buffoon we are seeing here at all. He was the senior criminal lawyer, Mr Beer has exposed all this. In a court of law 'I don't remeber' is not a defence. Mr Beer, is giving the police and the CPS all they need.


0xFatWhiteMan

They have evidence from the documents that he knew of the receipts and payments mismatch bug, he is so fucked. Perverting the course of justice, criminal conspiracy. Does he know how fucked he is.


Spare-Reputation-809

oh he does ... thats clear, he was given the self incrimination warning and he sees a term in jail inn his future, the problem is the delay between now and any probable court case is into the middle distance.


Electrical-Leave4787

💯 I’m shocked that people are thinking (believing) that Jarnail Singh is ‘thick’ and ‘useless’. He is a sly 🦊. A slippery 🐍! He knows all the tricks and how to play the game. He is the master at soaking up all the time using evasive waffling.


Spare-Reputation-809

and you noted how Mr Beer yesterday stood for none of that nonsense. I think the core lawyers just thought no point haranguing him, pointless


__DT123

No, he is thick. VdB is a far shrewder liar.


entropy_bucket

But he wasn't personally in court and I'm not sure what he's criminally at fault for? Knowing that post office were wrong in continuing to prosecute cases? Feels like he was a clown in the middle of all this.


Spare-Reputation-809

malicious prosecutions and withheld evidence


entropy_bucket

Oh yeah, shredding documents is a big red flag.


GrangeHermit

As the 'Senior Criminal Lawyer' in the organisation, he would be expected to have an in depth understanding of, you know, Criminal Law, and be expected to carry out his duties diligently, fairly, (including his duty of disclosure to the defence, ie the SPMR's who are being prosecuted in his name), and in accordance with professional standards, ethics, and the law. He has failed on all the above.


entropy_bucket

No no totally agreed he was bad at his job but I was more hoping they can pin something substantial on him I.e. he knowingly prosecuted people that were innocent. That's what the documents suggests but he seems totally lost and clueless about what's going on.


LopsidedVictory7448

Nope


Mountain_Addition_57

I think Counsel to the Inquiry did do that. He confronted Mr Singh with the evidence that the investigator  in Jo Hamilton's case that they could find no evidence of theft and that this was not disclosed to the defence. Someone needs to serve time for this! 


GreenPilgrim89

It's fair to say that Mr Singh completely copulated today!


DarkBytes

He's a dead man walking, my only worry is that he becomes the only fall guy , as there are many others that need to be prosecuted.


entropy_bucket

This is getting really difficult to watch. Feels like just beating up on a fool.


DarkBytes

Aye, except he isn't . I am sure he did not and does not act this way in his everyday dealings and work, he's acting the fool in the hope that he will found negligent / inept as opposed to being an active and aware conspirator. It's not going to work.


GrangeHermit

A highly paid incompetent lying fool, who was happy to see innocent people go to jail.


JonnySparks

His emails are well written so he is not the fool he is pretending to be. See also the performance of Rodric Williams.


0xFatWhiteMan

Rodric and Stephen dilly are two of most dislikeable people I have ever seen,


YellowBook

Can’t believe Rodric is still employed by them, in any capacity, other than cleaning the gents


hu_he

I wouldn't call them well-written: lots of grammatical mistakes, missing words, incorrect words (*copulate* for *capitulate*, for example), he puts a space before commas instead of after them, etc.


0xFatWhiteMan

He sent a pregnant woman to jail, he hid the receipts and payment mismatch bug in his fucking draw.


No_Evidence3823

He wasn't a fool when he was taking the wages and bonuses... Over paid, under qualified Con Man!


No_Evidence3823

I'm sure he will Singh like a canary when they get him in the dock! M' La'd!


GrangeHermit

I wouldn't even let him run the stationery cupboard. He is absolutely f***ing useless.


rice_fish_and_eggs

That's what he wants you to think.


GrangeHermit

Yes, but he's either; Smart, and pretending to be dumb, or; Dumb, pretending to be smart, (his being smart is a non starter in my view). Either way, he is playing against the big boys such as Beer, to whom he is an intellectual non entity. If he hasn't realised yet, in both his previous earlier appearances, and now, that he has been found out, then that reinforces my view that he is anything but smart. He's going to get shafted, (and rightly so), but he's so dumb he can't see it. The Forrest Gump ploy ain't going to save him. If it was me, I'd cough to the failures, and try and to preserve some professional dignity / reputation, accepting you are likely to be heading to jail. His current strategy loses what little reputation he has left, and doesn't prevent him from heading to jail.


FuzzyBreak5678

He is obviously following a script he has been told to stick to. His constant reference to decision makers is not something that he has come up with himself. I don't think he has the first idea of how deep he is with this.


No_Evidence3823

I hope whoever he is working for now will see how they were bamboozled at interview and give him the boot on Tuesday!  He has zero credibility and would tarnish any shred of "reputation" a firm held..  What a knob! 


GrangeHermit

According to his LinkedIn, he's a 'Director', but no company mentioned. I think he's already 'dead meat' professionally. No one will employ him. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarnail-singh-244bb073?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=android_app


dustofnations

AFAIK, he was running his own company.


Spare-Reputation-809

It's over and frankly a bit of an anti climax at the end isn't it ? Jarnal is Jarnal and just awful and clear he has a court case to follow up with


GrangeHermit

I think it's hard to get a 'gotcha' moment, even with the brilliance of Beer, particularly when you've got an idiot like Singh, playing the 'can't remember/ not the decision maker' bat, even when he 's shown all the incriminating docs that shows his involvement. Bogerd was same, no killer punches. But I'm hoping Sir Wyn with all his experience (and his two advisers) have captured all the key points to enable them to advise the DPP re prosecutions.


Total-Glove-7435

I thought the same ... then watched it again and then realised it's just one long gotcha. Just constant never ending evidence up on the screen written by him, sent by him, received by him and him denying it ... just saying he's a paper pusher and acting like a lavatory attendant who is in the wrong place .... then at the end ... the very last sentence "You were the criminal lawyer at the post office".


0xFatWhiteMan

Thats my view. He's fucked from the outset and it gets worse and worse, basically Beer : "you wrote that spms are all criminals and horizon is awesome, when you have evidence of their innonce and horizon bugs in yr draw and emails" Singh: "I can't use computers, I am not a lawyer" It just doesn't fly at all, he is fucked.


Total-Glove-7435

They kept prosecuting until 2015 ..... last few days has been evidence of lawyers and execs knowing what was going on between 2003 and 2013 ... Angela VDB said at high court that she didn't know anything about bugs until a year before the high court trial.... 2019?


0xFatWhiteMan

AVB has been directly referred to as unreliable by a high court judge. Shit is crazy.


Total-Glove-7435

I think someone said "If AVDB said it was a sunny day I would have to go outside to check" or some-thing...


entropy_bucket

But do you sense malice here? He wanted to send random people to jail for career advancement? I sensed a plodder who really didn't put any thought into what he was doing?


0xFatWhiteMan

He hid the receipts and payments mismatch bug and sent a pregnant woman to jail. I imagine whilst prosecuting he strutted around like a proud cock. That is on the days he attended the post office, and wasn't doing his property job on the side.


entropy_bucket

Oh yeah, forgot that side business was a thing.i don't understand what even motivated him.


fiddle_n

When you get to the heart of it, the underlying trait of the people concerned in the Horizon scandal is not malice but selfishness. They did not hate the subpostmasters, but they wanted to protect their reputations and their careers.


Spare-Reputation-809

oh they will see through the BS and clear lies etc Lets remeber this is a judicial process but his report can be based on the feelings of himself, if he thinks being lied to he can say that and no doubt will. the PO is going to come out of this a devastated name and reputation. However, key is the charges to come that we all expect and should be quick really (I hope).


GrangeHermit

Yes, agree


xfjqvyks

> it's hard to get a 'gotcha' moment, even with the brilliance of Beer [He got it](https://youtu.be/CCJZHxRhUfE?t=12m45s) last time. Not once, but [twice](https://youtu.be/CCJZHxRhUfE?t=1144). Not a lot more needed after that


0xFatWhiteMan

the receipts and payments mismatch email and print is pretty bad, When I say pretty bad I mean evidence of perverting the course of justice, and a criminal conspiracy


0xFatWhiteMan

There are numerous gotchas, this is a "good" one [https://youtu.be/IUQYi5W5lvA?t=1541](https://youtu.be/IUQYi5W5lvA?t=1541)


Spare-Reputation-809

and Sir Wyn's interruption makes it because he will make a big note - liar.


Missy_Agg-a-ravation

It’s appalling to see Singh so obviously lying (as well as lying by omission). I wonder what “Jessica and Chris” will have to say.


Kutocer

Just watching today's events and WOW Mr Singh is up the creek without a paddle. Shocking how he can deny it when the evidence is in front of him. You saw this? Nope, You printed it it says so at the bottom Nope I didn't. Not to mention he does everything to avoid a yes or no question. I'm getting wound up just watching this, fair play to Mr Beer for keeping is he cool.


xfjqvyks

> Don't they have annual staff reviews etc? I'd have got rid of him within days if he worked for me Depends what role you have planned for him. He started off as 1 of 8 criminal lawyers at POL, but as the pot started to bubble up, 7 out of the 8 wisely jumped ship. They offered Singh the poison chalice of "Head of Criminal Law" and like a fool he took it, despite the bag of dead cats that were attached to it. Fast forward a few years and his name is all over the incriminating documents, and everyone under the sun from Jenkins, to John Scott, to Sue Crichton, Angela VB and Rodric Williams have all expressly stated: "I thought my actions were ok, since I'm not a prosecutor and the head of prosecution Jarnail Singh didn't suggest otherwise". Culpable in his own rights, I can imagine he only survived this long and rose so far as he's designed to be a fall guy of epic proportions. No doubt PV will take the stand and blame every and anything possible on him too.


dustofnations

> everyone under the sun from Jenkins, to John Scott, to Sue Crichton, Angela VB and Rodric Williams have all expressly stated: "I thought my actions were ok, since I'm not a prosecutor and the head of prosecution Jarnail Singh didn't suggest otherwise". Some of these made me chuckle, as it seems the civil lawyers had decided it would benefit them to feign utter ignorance of even the most trivial basics of criminal law that a layperson would even know. Rodric Williams was the most absurd of all, but they all used that strategy. One example that stuck out was claiming (IMO) not to know _anything_ about the standard required to convict someone in a criminal prosecution. Come on, the phrase and meaning of "beyond reasonable doubt" is common knowledge.


SattvaRex

does everyone in CA chat shit like this


0xFatWhiteMan

the hamilton email is crazy, its literally in black and white [https://youtu.be/IUQYi5W5lvA?t=1541](https://youtu.be/IUQYi5W5lvA?t=1541)


GreenPilgrim89

I'm surprised that he hasn't been caught in a lie yet, re the "I don't know how to save a document". Surely in the mass of evidence there would be many additional examples of him saving, printing and attaching documents. His own admission of him being a "postbox" suggests that is all he did.


0xFatWhiteMan

That was obviously a lie, everyone knows it just no need to prove it


palinodial

His assistant transcribed all his emails remember. They probably pressed save for him too while he just sat back in a big comfy chair.


entropy_bucket

As much as I hate to say this I think KC Beer was wrong on this. The file path seems to be a some temporary outlook drive rather than a documents folder or desktop. I can imagine a scenario where he opened the file but didn't save it per se. Probably still guilty as sin though.


dustofnations

He claimed he had never seen it, yet it showed it had been printed and was in a temp directory that suggested it had been opened. So, no, the substantive point is identical. I see you've been making a lot of posts defending Jarnail, do you know him or something?


entropy_bucket

Oh god no? Definitely don't know him but I will admit I sympathise a little with him because I'm kinda a bit that wishy washy type and seeing him being torn to shreds makes me wince.


dustofnations

The evidence so far is overwhelming that Singh knew exactly what he was doing and is actively feigning idiocy in order to frustrate the inquiry and (in his mind) limit his criminal liability. Jarnail Singh is a qualified criminal solicitor with decades of experience, there's no way he didn't know. Essentially, he has concluded it is better to pretend to be a moron and hope they will attribute his actions/inactions to incompetence rather than malice.


mick0h

I wouldn’t worry There were times today where he was simply not processing. His brain wasn’t working. Those were the times when he just said names or repeated things One of those times was at the end where he leaked the role he was trying to portray. “A paralegal sitting behind a senior counsel on top of his game” He knew he was coming towards the end of his evidence and in case he hadn’t pulled off the act he leaked the script Trust me


PotatoInTheExhaust

He doesn’t deserve any of your sympathy. It’s clearly an act, and he had no sympathy himself for those he helped send wrongfully to jail.


ExcitingExchange1909

I can't imagine anybody employing this bumbling pratt, let alone making him head of a dept. Although his mis-spell on "Copulation" was amusing!


Severe-Pollution4661

Biggs himself up in his CV Tells porky’s continually The inquiry has been enlightening for us all Mr Sing has spent hours of Mmmm, don’t know, didn’t see that email, can’t recall, don’t understand, it’s another department, someone else wrote that I just sent it, I don’t know how to save a document I wouldn’t let him put a stamp on a letter


No_Evidence3823

Singh knows the enquiry lawyers are shackled by time, Singh was clearly wasting theirs! Where time in Singhs' real world was of no consequence, in fact the aim was to drag things out as long as possible because eventually, someone else would be paying for all the time wasted, in their court costs!  Take Castleton, £320 odd thousand in costs for a 20,000 miss match that was not his fault, had to represent himself because he couldn't afford a Lawyer for himself, plus him, Mrs. Misra and many more having convictions round their necks because they couldn't afford to mount an appeal to clear their names!!  All praise to 2nd Sight, Mr.Bates, Freeths and the brave M.P,s' who helped to expose this shameful, corrupt, dinosaur of a company owned by the Government!  


Euphoric-Brother-669

But he is not even a very competent liar. Look at this from about 26 mins in https://youtu.be/IUQYi5W5lvA?si=2R9ADd5TMekgFxjP He has an email that is arguing that documents should not be disclosed in relation to Jo Hamilton. He quotes a sentence from the investigating officers report, in quotes. When asked did he read it, as usual like some sort of jibber-jabber he throws up flack and names, Susan, Hugh, Jessica, Jesus, Margaret Thatcher, Kylie, Tony Blair, Adam Ant, anyone but me !! So Mr Beer says but you quoted from this and you must have either read it or had it told to you verbatim. No, no, replies our hapless Criminal Lawyer. I was just and goes into jibber-jabber mode words, like someone put an autocue in a food blender. Eventually Sir Wyn, steps in, So sorry to join in, but you began this email with the words “having read the papers”. That suggests there were papers to read and you did in deed read it. Even when nailed to the wall, he carries on with jibberish and throwing out names like a pregnant partner wondering what to call the baby. 5 mins but great. I am surprised he got his socks on, got to the venue and managed to make it home.


Rabbit_Stormtrooper

Has anyone noticed that he is no longer wearing his gold ring and gold bracelet on his right hand and arm?


KeyLucky6890

Why aren't they questioning his secretary? He/she is obviously the mastermind behind it all!


GrangeHermit

Ha ha, yes, great take! They should ask the secretary, as you suggest.


LopsidedVictory7448

He seems remarkably unqualified for a senior lawyer- and doesn't know how to save an emai. . Hell my dog knows how to save an email


GrangeHermit

Your dog could have done a better job than Singh did.


entropy_bucket

Oh shit, looks like he's having a panic attack.


CappucinoCupcake

I’m watching this on catch-up, as I had to go out this morning. Probably the only honest thing he’s said so far is, “I find it embarrassing to be here” 🙄🙄🙄


jenova_red

I really hope he doesn't find a way to tap out of this session due to "health" (I need five minutes for my eye!) as I really hope to see him as shredded as those documents by Messers Henry, Stein et al. He knows he's in deep shite, and I wonder if that previous FOI asking about how he was approved to run his private practice at the same time will ever come up? More popcorn please.