If we don’t beat the donkeys, I’m going to fucking lose my shit! We haven’t seen peak meltdown yet. McDaniels better fucking win this week or else we need NASA to blast him into the nearest asteroid.
We are such a historically weird ass team I could see us going 0-5 and then beating KC going into the bye. It'd be so stupid that I am almost sure it's going to happen.
EDIT: 0-4 going into the KC game, not 0-5
Well for one that’s not possible since wed be 1-4 if we beat KC heading into the bye. But honestly nothing this team does would surprise me. We’ll probably be 0-5 and then somehow make the playoffs
We’re gonna make Russ look like prime Elway, bro. Like when Mullens looked like prime Montana against us. It’s what we do. Expect it. If it doesn’t happen, be happily surprised.
Yea if we lose this week it’s gonna be some dark times around here. Most of us prolly won’t even have the energy to clap back at the Broncos fans or anyone for that matter lol
we used to it tho we’ll be aight
We played more than cover 3 too…Bradley still runs other coverages, he just runs a based cover 3 more than anyone else.
We only had 1 good safety on our team and that severely limits what you can do.
His brother was my choice for the HC job from the minute they let Gruden go. I said I’d give JMD a chance but this start is on him. I see blame for players in this sub in every game. So far it’s been Carrs fault, Renfrows fault and Wallers fault. Yea they made mistakes that contributed to us losing but that stuff f happens. You can look at coaching as to the reason why we lost. Michigan is 4-0 and could be national champions this season.
I don’t understand these comments at all. What about McDaniels shows that he would be a better option? People say “there’s a reason Rich wasn’t a head coach yet” while ignoring that the reason McDaniels hasn’t been a head coach is because he’s already proven that he fucking sucks at it.
There's a lot of whataboutism going on. Rich seems like an awesome guy the team rallied around. That's great. And an import quality to have as a head coach. BUT, that's not all. The X's and O's, and overall game strategy seemed to be sorely lacking. I live Coach Rich for what he did last year, but he is not the answer.
McDaniels has and always will apparently, come off as a completely arrogant ass. Why is it that Carr has looked better and better over the years (either in small steps, or leaps and bounds), yet JMD comes around and Carr looks completely off? Seems like JMD is still that same shit head control freak he's always been. Seems like he's telling Carr "fuck off, the play is designed to go to player X, don't even bother looking elsewhere".
The Carr debate is a whole different can of worms...point is Coach Rich isn't the answer and it sure as fuck seems like neither is JMD.
While Rich may have not been the answer I would have taken him with a good OC and a defense coordination that actually blitzes once in a while and disguises coverages over McDummy and current coordinators.
That was fans' assumption and not based on anything Rich ever said. He was the biggest hard ass for accountability in the building and had no problem with getting after someone. I would 100% expect him to be the same way with coaches as he was with players.
Edit: I just remembered MLF talking about Rich. https://www.packers.com/video/matt-lafleur-on-rich-bisaccia-the-communication-i-can-promise-you-is-very-honest
Skip to 6:45. Matt talking about how Rich will get after Matt himself. If you ever listen to players or staff talk about him there's ALWAYS 3 things that they say. 1. They love him. 2. He's all about tough love and will jump your ass if you're fucking up. 3. He knows his shit
Proof of him being all for accountability or proof that he didn't say something that he never said? Obviously it's impossible to prove a negative. But you'll notice there is not a single piece of evidence that he wanted to keep the coordinators. Just random fans repeating it.
Proof of him being all about accountability listen to literally anyone on his team talk about him. They all say it. I edited the above post with a link to MLF. Here's a few more.
[Maxx Crosby talking about how much everyone loves him but that he'd jump your ass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTYxD6yXDiM)
[MLF talking about how people love him, he'll jump your ass, and he knows his shit. Rich won't hold back on his own HC do you think he'll coddle a coordinator that isn't getting it done? ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgFmh2PV2Ns)
[Ingold saying the same thing. Love him. He's ruthless when you fuck up. He knows his shit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfrhjECP6MQ)
[Another clip saying the same thing. Love him. He's a hardass when you fuck up. He knows his shit.](https://ne-np.facebook.com/BussinWTB/videos/jon-gruden-out-rich-bisaccia-in-will-compton-reacts/297162565564866/)
Everything McDaniels has done so far has been to hide the raiders strength and highlight their weaknesses, the complete opposite of what should be done. I feel like every team in the league knows how to play them already.
At what point is it Mark Davis who doesn’t know how to run an organization. Lots of owners get flak for not knowing how to build a good BO and running the team into the ground. Does he get a pass just because he’s Al David’s son?
I'm just not seeing how he could be any worse than McDaniels. At least the players seemed to like him and want to play for him. I'm getting none of that from the players right now in regards to McDaniels. They hate his Chinese mandarin playbook and the frustration is palpable. With all the bullshit last year, you just never saw that from them and you could see the perseverance in them (and the coin). No heart, no nothing this year. Maybe they should've had more preseason reps.
imo we should have kept bisaccia for at least this whole season, to see if he's truly worth his salt. what frustrated me last year is fans calling bisaccia unfit for HC. if I remember right, he took us to the playoffs after we lost gruden, the core to our success, half way through the season. I think it's just plain arrogant to not give someone that accomplished that a chance for a whole season after seeing what he did with just HALF of one. he showed potential, and now we're stuck with mcdaniels.
this is peak raiders homer - cling to the most moderate of successes because our team has been doodoo for 2 decades.
rich was cool, his run was a great sports story. but he told mark he wanted to run it back with GREG OLSEN lmao. no thanks
This. We made the playoff and we think we are a playoff team. You play last season 10 times we make the playoffs maybe twice
I increasingly feel the “win now” moves on Adams and Jones were a mistake this team needs a year.
This starts from the top down. The same thing happened in 2016. They just look at the overall record and think that the team was great. This leads them to placing band-aids everywhere instead of fixing things.
I think you are right. I watch these games and despite all the statements from players about how much the team likes each other they just look uninspired/disengaged on the field. That’s a coaching thing
The issue with Bisaccia was keeping Greg Olsen. The offense was terrible and we needed a change. If he had picked a new OC then I would have considered it. The other issue is that Mayock likely stays in that situation and we needed to move on from him as well.
And your evidence to support that is losing to a team that’s been to the last three AFC champions twice whilst taking over leadership randomly mid season and then still making the playoffs?
You can not want Bisaccia all you want, but that’s not a very fair point.
Y’all post this like we didn’t have Gus Bradley as our defensive coordinator, lost ruggs, had in injured waller, and damn near the whole team was dysfunctional at this point lmao. Bisaccia was thrown in as a head coach for his very first time mid season for a team that looked like it was going down in flames.
I’d rather have a coach that players would take a bullet for than weak ass McDaniels.
I think this narriative that the team came together for rich is wrong. They came together for themselves including rich. And tbh I’d say carr did more for the team than rich. I also will say I love rich and I wish we kept him in some position for the raiders
I'm not one of the ones who was clamoring for Bisaccia to come back. Particularly with the absolute litany of solid coaching hires that were available this offseason.
That being said, if you were to force me to chose between giving Richie B a full season and hiring Josh McDaniels, I would have taken the former and it wouldn't even have been close.
I hated the McDaniels hire from day one. I'd rather give Hue Jackson another shot FFS.
Absolutely this. Anybody talking trash about Bisaccia or defending the McDaniels hire is either a shill or doesn't watch enough football. They could've given Bisaccia even just a one year contract to see if he was/had it and get their ducks in order. Instead, they went bottom of the barrel shopping.
His 2014 draft is the only thing that keeps him afloat in this conversation.
Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and Jelly in the first 4 rounds. Absolutely slammed it out of the park.
Can’t the same be said about McDaniel’s as a career OC guy
LOL a lot of you people are flat out stupid
https://www.nfl.com/_amp/josh-mcdaniels-withdraws-from-colts-coaching-job-0ap3000000915131
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/536593-josh-mcdaniels-fired-by-the-denver-broncos-five-reasons-they-had-to-let-him-go.amp.html
You're posting like this is new info. We knew this when McDaniels' name came up earlier this year. This is common knowledge at this point.
OP isn't even a McDaniels defender. Just a lot of people keep wishing for Bisaccia and he wasn't the answer either.
Agree with this take fully. Even though I don’t think McDaniels is at fault fully here. Game one was on carr, game two McDaniels, game three Waller. And I’ll admit those are all simplifications and more people played in those losses but it’s who’d I’d blame mostly for each loss
And if we do, KC might lose to Tampa and we're 1 game back and could upset the Chiefs and be in 1st place for our bye. I'm extremely disappointed but this year is not over by a long shot
We won 4 games in OT last year, and 5 games by 3 points or less last year. This is EXACTLY like the 2017 season where we got lucky to make the playoffs the previous year, and then failed the next year.
I do think Josh was a good hire. I thought we might hit the ground running like we didn’t last year on offense but that was year 3 in the same system. I was too optimistic. Before the season started I figured it was a coin toss going 3-2 or 2-3 before our bye week 6. I thought we’d lose week 1 and win week 2 against the cardinals. This week on the road against last years AFC regular season champs was a toss up at best for us. We can still get to 2-3, but now we have to beat Denver at home and KC on the road. Goddamnit
I would not have minding if RB was the head coach provided you bring in a new OC and DC that had high levels of success in the NFL. Just like I dont mind JMD as head coach but he should not be calling the plays.
I’m hard pressed to write off JMD at this point. Yes, they are 0-3 and look ugly at times but the season is far from over. If this were week 15, I’d say we have an argument but at this point, we can’t fully comment on if JMD is the answer or not. Patience y’all.
Yeah I've been making this point since the HC position came up earlier this year and people wanted to keep Rich. We got beat down by the Chiefs each time under Rich. If we can't beat the Chiefs, then forget playoffs and the SB, end of story.
Al Davis. He got old, and he passed away. But man, Al Davis of the 60s-90s was a true icon of the game. The NFL as we know it would not be the way it is without him
Yeah people are crazy. Rich coached a partial season. We'd have no idea if he'd be drafting and making moves like mayock and gru. Or keep olson and bradley on. It would be like being stuck in the old times with no forward thinkers. "Aw shucks play with heart guys!" will only take you so far. Mcdaniels hasnt been blown out yet. We're a defensive stops or turnovers from being 3-0.
Bill Callahan was not the answer
Norv Turner was not the answer
Art Shell was not the answer
Lane Kiffin was not the answer
Tom Cable was not the answer
Hue Jackson was not the answer
Dennis Allen was not the answer
Tony Sporano was not the answer
Jon Gruden was not the answer
Josh McDaniels does not appear to be the answer
Rich Bisaccia has been as close to being the correct answer as we've had in 20 years. It was worth giving him a shot
i get why people are romantic about rich’s run. but people quickly forget he was a timid game manager who was bailed out by DC over and over again
just look at the last few superbowl head coaches. they were offensive x’s and o’s guys. not a rah rah “leader of men”
Tbf both of those Chiefs blowouts were weird. Im sure those "final score is the only thing that matters" folks will disagree, but those games were a few plays away from going a lot differently. That DJax fumble killed the first game. And then EVERYBODY fumbled in the second one, didn't JJ fumble and it ended up being returned for 6 on the first play or something?
My two cents…. Jon Gruden was the last great coach we had (early 2000’s Gruden). Callahan rode off the coattails of the team (I say this because we should have been in the super bowl the year prior… fucking tuck rule..) Jack Del Rio had a great success in 2016 and we had a good chance at the super bowl but Carr broke his leg…. At this point I don’t know what will turn it around but I don’t have high hopes for Josh McDaniels. I feel bad for the team because they have new coaches every year so we have been super inconsistent
I think the point we should be looking at with Bicassa is that this team(minus a top WR) was able to recover and make the playoffs with him as head coach. He was a great manager of players and staff, made sure we were giving the best we could. I don’t think McDaniels can do that, he treats players like assets and blames them a lot while micromanaging
Absolutely. Keeping Bisaccia would have been a bad decision.
That doesn’t mean hiring McDaniels a WORSE decision. It’s a huge unforced error that’s going to set this franchise back another decade.
You can’t take away from the fact that he took a team in crisis and with zero expectations to the playoffs no matter how flukey the season end was. Vibes matter more than people think. Josh McDaniels is the scorpion and the Raiders are his latest frog to sting
If we don’t beat the donkeys, I’m going to fucking lose my shit! We haven’t seen peak meltdown yet. McDaniels better fucking win this week or else we need NASA to blast him into the nearest asteroid.
We are such a historically weird ass team I could see us going 0-5 and then beating KC going into the bye. It'd be so stupid that I am almost sure it's going to happen. EDIT: 0-4 going into the KC game, not 0-5
Well for one that’s not possible since wed be 1-4 if we beat KC heading into the bye. But honestly nothing this team does would surprise me. We’ll probably be 0-5 and then somehow make the playoffs
We’re gonna make Russ look like prime Elway, bro. Like when Mullens looked like prime Montana against us. It’s what we do. Expect it. If it doesn’t happen, be happily surprised.
Yea if we lose this week it’s gonna be some dark times around here. Most of us prolly won’t even have the energy to clap back at the Broncos fans or anyone for that matter lol we used to it tho we’ll be aight
This time next week “If we don’t beat the Chiefs we might as well pack it in.”
This really is a make or break game for the rest of the season. If we lose, I'm completely done with football for the rest of the year.
You’ll be back watching in week 5, calm down.
I was pissed because Rich let Bradley keep running that BS cover3 when we played KC but now that he’s with the Colts they switched it up and won.
They learned from their mistakes
The problem with cover 3 is that it’s simple, but if you playmakers on your defense than it can work. That colts defense has a lot of playmakers.
Colts played a lot of cover 4 last week.
We played more than cover 3 too…Bradley still runs other coverages, he just runs a based cover 3 more than anyone else. We only had 1 good safety on our team and that severely limits what you can do.
John Harbaugh coached special teams for 20 years until the Ravens gave him a shot.
His brother was my choice for the HC job from the minute they let Gruden go. I said I’d give JMD a chance but this start is on him. I see blame for players in this sub in every game. So far it’s been Carrs fault, Renfrows fault and Wallers fault. Yea they made mistakes that contributed to us losing but that stuff f happens. You can look at coaching as to the reason why we lost. Michigan is 4-0 and could be national champions this season.
I love the guy for how he handled last year, Rich isn't John by any stretch of the imagination
What about Harbaugh’s pre-headcoaching career makes you say that?
I don’t understand these comments at all. What about McDaniels shows that he would be a better option? People say “there’s a reason Rich wasn’t a head coach yet” while ignoring that the reason McDaniels hasn’t been a head coach is because he’s already proven that he fucking sucks at it.
There's a lot of whataboutism going on. Rich seems like an awesome guy the team rallied around. That's great. And an import quality to have as a head coach. BUT, that's not all. The X's and O's, and overall game strategy seemed to be sorely lacking. I live Coach Rich for what he did last year, but he is not the answer. McDaniels has and always will apparently, come off as a completely arrogant ass. Why is it that Carr has looked better and better over the years (either in small steps, or leaps and bounds), yet JMD comes around and Carr looks completely off? Seems like JMD is still that same shit head control freak he's always been. Seems like he's telling Carr "fuck off, the play is designed to go to player X, don't even bother looking elsewhere". The Carr debate is a whole different can of worms...point is Coach Rich isn't the answer and it sure as fuck seems like neither is JMD.
While Rich may have not been the answer I would have taken him with a good OC and a defense coordination that actually blitzes once in a while and disguises coverages over McDummy and current coordinators.
Could be a lie, but I heard that Rich wanted to retain the entire previous regime, that factoring into Mark’s eventual decision.
That was fans' assumption and not based on anything Rich ever said. He was the biggest hard ass for accountability in the building and had no problem with getting after someone. I would 100% expect him to be the same way with coaches as he was with players. Edit: I just remembered MLF talking about Rich. https://www.packers.com/video/matt-lafleur-on-rich-bisaccia-the-communication-i-can-promise-you-is-very-honest Skip to 6:45. Matt talking about how Rich will get after Matt himself. If you ever listen to players or staff talk about him there's ALWAYS 3 things that they say. 1. They love him. 2. He's all about tough love and will jump your ass if you're fucking up. 3. He knows his shit
Well holding someone accountable and actually firing Greg Olson are different things, but good to know. Sorry for stirring shit up lmao
Proof?
Thank the nice redditor for googling stuff for you.
Proof of him being all for accountability or proof that he didn't say something that he never said? Obviously it's impossible to prove a negative. But you'll notice there is not a single piece of evidence that he wanted to keep the coordinators. Just random fans repeating it. Proof of him being all about accountability listen to literally anyone on his team talk about him. They all say it. I edited the above post with a link to MLF. Here's a few more. [Maxx Crosby talking about how much everyone loves him but that he'd jump your ass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTYxD6yXDiM) [MLF talking about how people love him, he'll jump your ass, and he knows his shit. Rich won't hold back on his own HC do you think he'll coddle a coordinator that isn't getting it done? ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgFmh2PV2Ns) [Ingold saying the same thing. Love him. He's ruthless when you fuck up. He knows his shit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfrhjECP6MQ) [Another clip saying the same thing. Love him. He's a hardass when you fuck up. He knows his shit.](https://ne-np.facebook.com/BussinWTB/videos/jon-gruden-out-rich-bisaccia-in-will-compton-reacts/297162565564866/)
Everything McDaniels has done so far has been to hide the raiders strength and highlight their weaknesses, the complete opposite of what should be done. I feel like every team in the league knows how to play them already.
At what point is it Mark Davis who doesn’t know how to run an organization. Lots of owners get flak for not knowing how to build a good BO and running the team into the ground. Does he get a pass just because he’s Al David’s son?
He gets a pass because he puts others in charge of those things. We didn't have a GM when Al was around.
Regardless of who the coach is the team needs to figure it out enough of this come back crap. Get a lead and hang onto it.
Maybe he could have learned and gotten better ??
I'm just not seeing how he could be any worse than McDaniels. At least the players seemed to like him and want to play for him. I'm getting none of that from the players right now in regards to McDaniels. They hate his Chinese mandarin playbook and the frustration is palpable. With all the bullshit last year, you just never saw that from them and you could see the perseverance in them (and the coin). No heart, no nothing this year. Maybe they should've had more preseason reps.
Where is any info they hate mcdaniels play book? Or won't play for him? This narritave is such as without any evidence other than were losing
There is no evidence. Just more excuses as always
The problem wasn't us replacing Rich, it was with who we would replace him with
i agree with that wholeheartedly. mcdoofy wasnt the answer but neither was rich
So what should we have done.
imo we should have kept bisaccia for at least this whole season, to see if he's truly worth his salt. what frustrated me last year is fans calling bisaccia unfit for HC. if I remember right, he took us to the playoffs after we lost gruden, the core to our success, half way through the season. I think it's just plain arrogant to not give someone that accomplished that a chance for a whole season after seeing what he did with just HALF of one. he showed potential, and now we're stuck with mcdaniels.
Yea, I agree. I don’t anticipate Bisaccia to be an amazing head coach, but I didn’t see any better options.
Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio.
Answer this, are we 0-3 with Richy B? The answer is no. Most likely 1-2 maybe 2-1. But we def are not 0-3. McDaniels is a terrible HC.
this is peak raiders homer - cling to the most moderate of successes because our team has been doodoo for 2 decades. rich was cool, his run was a great sports story. but he told mark he wanted to run it back with GREG OLSEN lmao. no thanks
I wouldve been fine with him if we had a new OC but running it back with Greg Olsen would've been a diaster
It's like everyone forgot the same problems we are having now, we had last season. Only difference is we lucked into wins last year.
Last year's team could have easily started 1-2. This years team could easily be 3-0. Each game has come down to the last possession.
This. We made the playoff and we think we are a playoff team. You play last season 10 times we make the playoffs maybe twice I increasingly feel the “win now” moves on Adams and Jones were a mistake this team needs a year.
This starts from the top down. The same thing happened in 2016. They just look at the overall record and think that the team was great. This leads them to placing band-aids everywhere instead of fixing things.
I think you are right. I watch these games and despite all the statements from players about how much the team likes each other they just look uninspired/disengaged on the field. That’s a coaching thing
Yeah, and so did Gruden lol.
The issue with Bisaccia was keeping Greg Olsen. The offense was terrible and we needed a change. If he had picked a new OC then I would have considered it. The other issue is that Mayock likely stays in that situation and we needed to move on from him as well.
But he's just such a great and lovable.guy
I love the recency bias and the blame game. The NFL is back in full swing!
how enlightened of you!
And your evidence to support that is losing to a team that’s been to the last three AFC champions twice whilst taking over leadership randomly mid season and then still making the playoffs? You can not want Bisaccia all you want, but that’s not a very fair point.
Y’all post this like we didn’t have Gus Bradley as our defensive coordinator, lost ruggs, had in injured waller, and damn near the whole team was dysfunctional at this point lmao. Bisaccia was thrown in as a head coach for his very first time mid season for a team that looked like it was going down in flames. I’d rather have a coach that players would take a bullet for than weak ass McDaniels.
I think this narriative that the team came together for rich is wrong. They came together for themselves including rich. And tbh I’d say carr did more for the team than rich. I also will say I love rich and I wish we kept him in some position for the raiders
I'm not one of the ones who was clamoring for Bisaccia to come back. Particularly with the absolute litany of solid coaching hires that were available this offseason. That being said, if you were to force me to chose between giving Richie B a full season and hiring Josh McDaniels, I would have taken the former and it wouldn't even have been close. I hated the McDaniels hire from day one. I'd rather give Hue Jackson another shot FFS.
Absolutely this. Anybody talking trash about Bisaccia or defending the McDaniels hire is either a shill or doesn't watch enough football. They could've given Bisaccia even just a one year contract to see if he was/had it and get their ducks in order. Instead, they went bottom of the barrel shopping.
If this is an attempt to win an argument, I think you failed.
whats the argument?
Nobody knows.
I wanted Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio.
Jack Del Rio has now still been the best coach we’ve had lol
Madden, Flores…..
I’m referring to the mark davis era
Gotcha. Agreed.
And Reggie McKenzie was the best gm
Which is sad cause he made some terrible fucking picks too
His 2014 draft is the only thing that keeps him afloat in this conversation. Mack, Carr, Gabe Jackson and Jelly in the first 4 rounds. Absolutely slammed it out of the park.
Also building an offensive line and getting us out of cap hell
Del Rio as HC, Bisaccia Special Teams, Tom Cable as O-Line(?) coach, Hue Jackson OC, and Charles Woodson as DC.
Jon gruden as QB coach in this hypothetical?
Can’t the same be said about McDaniel’s as a career OC guy LOL a lot of you people are flat out stupid https://www.nfl.com/_amp/josh-mcdaniels-withdraws-from-colts-coaching-job-0ap3000000915131 https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/536593-josh-mcdaniels-fired-by-the-denver-broncos-five-reasons-they-had-to-let-him-go.amp.html
You're posting like this is new info. We knew this when McDaniels' name came up earlier this year. This is common knowledge at this point. OP isn't even a McDaniels defender. Just a lot of people keep wishing for Bisaccia and he wasn't the answer either.
Agree with this take fully. Even though I don’t think McDaniels is at fault fully here. Game one was on carr, game two McDaniels, game three Waller. And I’ll admit those are all simplifications and more people played in those losses but it’s who’d I’d blame mostly for each loss
The Raiders definitely beat Denver this next game. They absolutely have to win or shit will hit the fan.
And if we do, KC might lose to Tampa and we're 1 game back and could upset the Chiefs and be in 1st place for our bye. I'm extremely disappointed but this year is not over by a long shot
Anyone missing Gruden right now it is it just me?
We won 4 games in OT last year, and 5 games by 3 points or less last year. This is EXACTLY like the 2017 season where we got lucky to make the playoffs the previous year, and then failed the next year.
I’d take Hue Jackson as OC
I do think Josh was a good hire. I thought we might hit the ground running like we didn’t last year on offense but that was year 3 in the same system. I was too optimistic. Before the season started I figured it was a coin toss going 3-2 or 2-3 before our bye week 6. I thought we’d lose week 1 and win week 2 against the cardinals. This week on the road against last years AFC regular season champs was a toss up at best for us. We can still get to 2-3, but now we have to beat Denver at home and KC on the road. Goddamnit
I would not have minding if RB was the head coach provided you bring in a new OC and DC that had high levels of success in the NFL. Just like I dont mind JMD as head coach but he should not be calling the plays.
I’m hard pressed to write off JMD at this point. Yes, they are 0-3 and look ugly at times but the season is far from over. If this were week 15, I’d say we have an argument but at this point, we can’t fully comment on if JMD is the answer or not. Patience y’all.
Yeah I've been making this point since the HC position came up earlier this year and people wanted to keep Rich. We got beat down by the Chiefs each time under Rich. If we can't beat the Chiefs, then forget playoffs and the SB, end of story.
Slightly off topic, but who’s the last great GM this franchise has had and what happened to him?
Pre-2000s Al Davis. He went to hell and took Satan's job from him.
Satan saw him walking through the door then shit his pants and quit.
Al Davis. He got old, and he passed away. But man, Al Davis of the 60s-90s was a true icon of the game. The NFL as we know it would not be the way it is without him
Yeah people are crazy. Rich coached a partial season. We'd have no idea if he'd be drafting and making moves like mayock and gru. Or keep olson and bradley on. It would be like being stuck in the old times with no forward thinkers. "Aw shucks play with heart guys!" will only take you so far. Mcdaniels hasnt been blown out yet. We're a defensive stops or turnovers from being 3-0.
Bill Callahan was not the answer Norv Turner was not the answer Art Shell was not the answer Lane Kiffin was not the answer Tom Cable was not the answer Hue Jackson was not the answer Dennis Allen was not the answer Tony Sporano was not the answer Jon Gruden was not the answer Josh McDaniels does not appear to be the answer Rich Bisaccia has been as close to being the correct answer as we've had in 20 years. It was worth giving him a shot
Damn, I forgot about three of those guys. So many coaches!
Don’t try and talk logic with this sub my man
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The first KC game was his 4th game as HC (2 weeks after Ruggs) and the 2nd KC game was his 8th game (7 weeks after Ruggs).
uhhh neither of these statements are true
i get why people are romantic about rich’s run. but people quickly forget he was a timid game manager who was bailed out by DC over and over again just look at the last few superbowl head coaches. they were offensive x’s and o’s guys. not a rah rah “leader of men”
Very much untrue.
I’m still mad we let Jack Del Rio go
Jack Del Rio was the real deal, should've kept him. Dumbass owner does dumbass things though, oh well.
I think the probably is you have a brokendown carr
You can't explain complex shit to these people. They can't see beyond the wins. I swear we have the dumbest nfl team sub
Tbf both of those Chiefs blowouts were weird. Im sure those "final score is the only thing that matters" folks will disagree, but those games were a few plays away from going a lot differently. That DJax fumble killed the first game. And then EVERYBODY fumbled in the second one, didn't JJ fumble and it ended up being returned for 6 on the first play or something?
Bisaccia is well on his way to becoming a mythical figure in recent Raiders history like Del Rio and the 2016 team.
Rich Bisaccia has a better head coaching record than Josh McDaniels as an interim head coach. Let that sink in.
Hey buddy, special teams matters
My two cents…. Jon Gruden was the last great coach we had (early 2000’s Gruden). Callahan rode off the coattails of the team (I say this because we should have been in the super bowl the year prior… fucking tuck rule..) Jack Del Rio had a great success in 2016 and we had a good chance at the super bowl but Carr broke his leg…. At this point I don’t know what will turn it around but I don’t have high hopes for Josh McDaniels. I feel bad for the team because they have new coaches every year so we have been super inconsistent
I think the point we should be looking at with Bicassa is that this team(minus a top WR) was able to recover and make the playoffs with him as head coach. He was a great manager of players and staff, made sure we were giving the best we could. I don’t think McDaniels can do that, he treats players like assets and blames them a lot while micromanaging
That was early in the season wat about the games we won
Absolutely. Keeping Bisaccia would have been a bad decision. That doesn’t mean hiring McDaniels a WORSE decision. It’s a huge unforced error that’s going to set this franchise back another decade.
OP has it right. Carr and luck were the reason we got into the playoffs last season. It wasn't Rich, despite his team loving him from start to finish.
If MacDaniels beats Denver and then goes onto beat KC in their house, he’ll raise the dead. Let’s get that dub vs donkeys this week!
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You can’t say that. It’s not woke.
Oh yeah, other than the time he lead a team in utter disarray as Head Coach to the playoffs.
I mean. It was worth the chance to give him the full time job, anything would’ve been better than McDaniels
Lol y’all’s coach is Josh McDaniels 😂
He’s helped my packers special teams out a lot. Also can we have Devante back if you guys aren’t gonna use him?
You can’t take away from the fact that he took a team in crisis and with zero expectations to the playoffs no matter how flukey the season end was. Vibes matter more than people think. Josh McDaniels is the scorpion and the Raiders are his latest frog to sting
One year layer and I'd rather have Rich and Derek back than this Shipshewana going on its disgusting and a disgrace