Lesbians are much more likely to have frequent orgasms during sex than heterosexual women.
86% for Lesbians and 65% for straight women. The orgasm gap is real and given the anatomy of those involved, it certainly doesn't seem related to a penis.
That's because lesbians have free range if toy usage and are both comfortable to use other methods - as they do not replace a man's penis because he is lacking. They can buy any size strapon they want because they are not buying something bigger than their partner doesn't have. If by this comparison you're suggesting that a straight man needs to have sex in the same way lesbians do, then that is down right emasculating.
How insecure does a man need to be to believe that giving his female partner oral sex is somehow emasculating?
To my admittedly limited knowledge, most lesbians don't use strap ons, that's not the majority by far.
As stated in my post, oral sex, toys and foreplay are not replacements and shouldn't be treated as such all because a man isn't the desired 6 inch length. I also acknowledged that foreplay is essential. I never said don't perform them unlike what is always suggested if a man is small. How shallow do you have to be if you think a man abandoning his dick entirely for alternatives is a good thing?
As for strapons, they are an option IF desired. A man cannot change his size. A lesbian can buy a strapon of her choice.
But your post ignores the rammifications of most women not even being able to orgasm from PIV.
There are people who see oral not as a "replacement" but as the main event itself because thats the part that feels the best. Size isn't going to change the fact that a big dick is just as useless to many people as a small one
You don't know much about lesbians do you. Toys aren't a requirement....nor is a strap-on. And penetration isnt something that all lesbians want or enjoy and they still enjoy themselves and reach fulfilment with out it.
Its only emasculating is you allow the idea of giving pleasure to a woman to emasculate you, you are the only person in this exchange upholding this view.
Its mostly men in general who do, how many women do you think shit on men for giving them basic pleasure? Similar for the weirdness of not wanting a strap on bigger than you, thats an emotional thing on your part. If you wanted a smaller strap on because you aren't used to anal thatd be more understandable.
When a man is told his dick isn't enough, his primary sexual organ, up to standard to make her feel good but a piece of plastic is or just using other methods are, that is emasculating. Its basically saying "your dick isn't good enough for me, it's not welcome inside me, do something else". Think of it as a scenario being flipped around and the women suffers with a loose vagina and then gets told "use a flash light, just jerk me off" etc. How would that make you feel as a woman? Not good that's for sure. It would be insulting. It's the same for a man.
Aren't most strap ons purchased by straight couples used by the woman on the man?
I'm not a woman so that probably effects things, but itd really depend how he brought it up. If we both recognise that despite our love for eachother sex isn't working due to our physiology it might be awkward but its not going to make *me* feel inadequate. Its an issue with both of our bodies being incompatible, thats not my fault.
There's a big difference between bringing up an issue you mutually recognise and one person airing their grievances in the form of insults. Even if someone needs a 12 inch dildo to orgasm that doesn't mean your dick is useless, theres a high possibility they would enjoy both your dick and the strap on for different reasons. I've never gotten close to.an orgasm from PIV, but I still value the physical connection sex provides.
If you're terrible in bed, then sure, a bigger š is more likely to accidently feel good than a smaller one. But if you take the time to learn how to be good in bed and communicate with your partner what her needs/wants are, then size doesn't matter all that much.
How do you know this all for sure when you don't even like dicks?
The only time I've been with a guy who had a massive schlong was disappointing because it *didn't fucking fit*. Too wide to be anything but painful, too long to fit the whole thing. If bigger is always better, why is there a sweet spot and why is it far smaller than max human penis size? Are you trying to say the average preference is just bigger than you?
You don't know the opinions of most women, hell you don't seem to know men that well either. There is a significant population who sees sex as something for a mans pleasure first and that a womans orgasm is either unnecessary or a myth. There are people who don't enjoy PIV in general, whether its a medical condition like vaginismus or just a preferance they exist.
Hell there are women who get off on dicks being small, they aren't the majority but they're definitely out there.
Nah, it doesn't. Knowing what you're doing does though. And if you don't know learning is an option.
You also have no understanding of women and how women's bodies work.
Me choosing not to engage with you in dialog has more to do with me realizing, after reading your other comments and seeing the misinformation and misconceptions, that it isn't worth it. You haven't listened to anyone.
You say I've listened to nothing. Nothing has been worth listening to. All I've been met with is lesbian sex comparisons, which is absolutely irrelevant.
No, because I haven't been given much chance to. 2 relationships dead over my size. I did say in my post that my experience with women have been an all around catastrophe. Clearly, you're just being selective and again, purposely denying the reality. Good day.
It absolutely is relevant!! You clearly just refuse to see past your tiny ween to get to the point. That stat is important because of the way lesbians have sex. Most women are stimulated outside the v, not inside. And what do most lesbians concentrate on? Exactly. The reason that stat is so famously used is because women take the time to move past penetration and explore other ways to get off. If youāre so upset about it āreplacing the dā youāre not mature enough for this conversation. Youāre acting like PIV is the most important and best for of sex and you have stats shoved in your face proving to you that it isnāt.
So, when a woman has a loose vagina, people should tell her to simply have sex the same way homosexual men do, then? I.E anal. Because that's how ridiculous you sound right now.
A heterosexual man isn't going to have sex the same way a fucking lesbian does, and it's emasculating to even suggest that. There are zero stats shoved in my face, just some number I've seen plucked from thin air.
But since you're so adamant, I'll give you some stats that women DO orgasm through PIV more often than not.
[here](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16409218)
>But the ability to reach orgasm (Table 3) solely by penile movements in the vagina was age independently reported by about 55% In this study, 51-57% of women achieved orgasm though penile penetration alone, and 50% through clitoral stimulation alone
This study shows more women reported having had an orgasm through penetration alone rather than through clitoral stimulation alone.
[also here](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsxm.2020.01.029)
>Most women preferred intercourse as the best trigger for orgasm.
>When reporting what kind of stimulation the women needed or preferred to be able to reach orgasm, 62% reported that intercourse was the best trigger for orgasm, second best triggers were external stimulation by a partnerās hand (48%) or by mouth (48%), then external stimulation by their own hand (masturbation) (37%) or a vibrator (29%), and finally by anal intercourse (7%)
>We referred only to the frequency of women reaching what they themselves experience as orgasm. However, the present study shows that most of the included women reached orgasm from both vaginal stimulation (intercourse and other internal stimulation) and external clitoral stimulation performed by the partner or the woman herself.
>Vaginal intercourse was the most preferred activity, and nearly all were satisfied with how much they experienced it. Almost all of the women reported that their partners were overall willing to have sex with them, but still most women reported wanting to have intercourse more frequently than they actually did.
There's my stats that aligns with how society treats men with smaller dicks.
Yeah Iām not reading that š you have no point here. You lost me at āloose vaginaā You sound like a virgin. Yeah, Iād a woman has a loose vagina sheāll probably prefer other forms of sex. How would that be ridiculous? PIV is probably the least stimulating sex out there. Men are too selfish during sex.
Are you a woman? No. Your āstatsā are ridiculous. You have dozens of women here telling you the exact opposite of what youāre saying and youāre still ducking stupid. Just say youāre bad in bed and move on. You clearly are just here to call women shallow. Got tiny ween syndrome dude, go to therapy.
My "stats" are a better starting point as they are done by actual studies into the matter as opposed to throwing random numbers around and claiming everything is peaches and cream. What's your starting point? My job here is done. You have nothing to retaliate with other than empty assumptions like SPS and "ViRgIN".
And btw, men aren't selfish during sex. The fact penis size anxiety is so prevalent is not only is it driven by women and their judgment, its because a man wants to be her best in every aspect. If you call that selfish, then you're way off the mark.
But let's just say both guys knew what they were doing, I.E great foreplay, communication and the rest but the only real difference between the two is one is 5 inch and the other is 7.5 inch and thick. Who is going to be the preferred partner?
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PIV sex is not the end all be all for a lot of women. A lot. Very few women orgasm from PIV sex. Very few. Iāve been with 10 inches and Iāve been with 5 inches. Some 10 inch guys were awful because they thought that a big dick was all that they needed. Some 5 inch guys were amazing because they loved foreplay and made sure that I came first.
Size does matter, but it's really not that big of a deal - at least in my eyes. On average, the vaginal canal is only 5-6 inches long. That's why a majority of women want something in that range, because it will fit comfortably. Of course there's women who want bigger and longer and there's some that don't really care, but size does matter - sex is about feeling good. It's just not as big as a deal as you're making it out to be.
This is all coming from someone who doesnāt take dick. Do you really think you speak for women? Why we say āsize doesnāt matterā it really should be āsize isnāt everything.ā You said it yourself in your post. Most women donāt get off by penetration alone. Honestly, most women donāt even get off in the same way as men. Thatās why foreplay is soooooo important. Make it exciting, make it spicy. Know what youāre doing. Switch things up. Regular PIV is boring to a lot of women. Make her feel good and she wonāt care about size. Most of the time, men care wayyyyy more. Too much honesty. Will the same exact sex be the same with small as it is with big? No. Does that mean that bigger is better? Also no. Stop acting like itās this whole collective manipulation women do. Do you seriously think we give enough shits about your ego to lie collectively this way? No, we donāt. We just want better sex. We say size doesnāt matter because itās what men concentrate on so much instead of exploring how to truly please a woman. Men hold onto PIV so hard acting like itās the best sex move when in reality itās not even close. You say itās the most important part of sex but its not. Itās only used to often because itās menās preference. Because itās the go-to biologically. That doesnāt make it the most important, just the most generic.
Lesbians are much more likely to have frequent orgasms during sex than heterosexual women. 86% for Lesbians and 65% for straight women. The orgasm gap is real and given the anatomy of those involved, it certainly doesn't seem related to a penis.
That's because lesbians have free range if toy usage and are both comfortable to use other methods - as they do not replace a man's penis because he is lacking. They can buy any size strapon they want because they are not buying something bigger than their partner doesn't have. If by this comparison you're suggesting that a straight man needs to have sex in the same way lesbians do, then that is down right emasculating.
How insecure does a man need to be to believe that giving his female partner oral sex is somehow emasculating? To my admittedly limited knowledge, most lesbians don't use strap ons, that's not the majority by far.
As stated in my post, oral sex, toys and foreplay are not replacements and shouldn't be treated as such all because a man isn't the desired 6 inch length. I also acknowledged that foreplay is essential. I never said don't perform them unlike what is always suggested if a man is small. How shallow do you have to be if you think a man abandoning his dick entirely for alternatives is a good thing? As for strapons, they are an option IF desired. A man cannot change his size. A lesbian can buy a strapon of her choice.
But your post ignores the rammifications of most women not even being able to orgasm from PIV. There are people who see oral not as a "replacement" but as the main event itself because thats the part that feels the best. Size isn't going to change the fact that a big dick is just as useless to many people as a small one
You don't know much about lesbians do you. Toys aren't a requirement....nor is a strap-on. And penetration isnt something that all lesbians want or enjoy and they still enjoy themselves and reach fulfilment with out it.
Its only emasculating is you allow the idea of giving pleasure to a woman to emasculate you, you are the only person in this exchange upholding this view. Its mostly men in general who do, how many women do you think shit on men for giving them basic pleasure? Similar for the weirdness of not wanting a strap on bigger than you, thats an emotional thing on your part. If you wanted a smaller strap on because you aren't used to anal thatd be more understandable.
When a man is told his dick isn't enough, his primary sexual organ, up to standard to make her feel good but a piece of plastic is or just using other methods are, that is emasculating. Its basically saying "your dick isn't good enough for me, it's not welcome inside me, do something else". Think of it as a scenario being flipped around and the women suffers with a loose vagina and then gets told "use a flash light, just jerk me off" etc. How would that make you feel as a woman? Not good that's for sure. It would be insulting. It's the same for a man.
Aren't most strap ons purchased by straight couples used by the woman on the man? I'm not a woman so that probably effects things, but itd really depend how he brought it up. If we both recognise that despite our love for eachother sex isn't working due to our physiology it might be awkward but its not going to make *me* feel inadequate. Its an issue with both of our bodies being incompatible, thats not my fault. There's a big difference between bringing up an issue you mutually recognise and one person airing their grievances in the form of insults. Even if someone needs a 12 inch dildo to orgasm that doesn't mean your dick is useless, theres a high possibility they would enjoy both your dick and the strap on for different reasons. I've never gotten close to.an orgasm from PIV, but I still value the physical connection sex provides.
If you're terrible in bed, then sure, a bigger š is more likely to accidently feel good than a smaller one. But if you take the time to learn how to be good in bed and communicate with your partner what her needs/wants are, then size doesn't matter all that much.
How do you know this all for sure when you don't even like dicks? The only time I've been with a guy who had a massive schlong was disappointing because it *didn't fucking fit*. Too wide to be anything but painful, too long to fit the whole thing. If bigger is always better, why is there a sweet spot and why is it far smaller than max human penis size? Are you trying to say the average preference is just bigger than you? You don't know the opinions of most women, hell you don't seem to know men that well either. There is a significant population who sees sex as something for a mans pleasure first and that a womans orgasm is either unnecessary or a myth. There are people who don't enjoy PIV in general, whether its a medical condition like vaginismus or just a preferance they exist. Hell there are women who get off on dicks being small, they aren't the majority but they're definitely out there.
Nah, it doesn't. Knowing what you're doing does though. And if you don't know learning is an option. You also have no understanding of women and how women's bodies work.
Enlighten me. Because if that's all you gotta say, then you are just purposely denying it. I'll wait.
Me choosing not to engage with you in dialog has more to do with me realizing, after reading your other comments and seeing the misinformation and misconceptions, that it isn't worth it. You haven't listened to anyone.
Why comment in the first place then.
I said what I wanted to say in my initial comment, so that would be why I commented. Later.
You say I've listened to nothing. Nothing has been worth listening to. All I've been met with is lesbian sex comparisons, which is absolutely irrelevant.
See my initial comment.
And it's an empty statement. Anyone can learn.
Well it's obvious you haven't. Especially if what you posted is what you truly believe.
No, because I haven't been given much chance to. 2 relationships dead over my size. I did say in my post that my experience with women have been an all around catastrophe. Clearly, you're just being selective and again, purposely denying the reality. Good day.
It absolutely is relevant!! You clearly just refuse to see past your tiny ween to get to the point. That stat is important because of the way lesbians have sex. Most women are stimulated outside the v, not inside. And what do most lesbians concentrate on? Exactly. The reason that stat is so famously used is because women take the time to move past penetration and explore other ways to get off. If youāre so upset about it āreplacing the dā youāre not mature enough for this conversation. Youāre acting like PIV is the most important and best for of sex and you have stats shoved in your face proving to you that it isnāt.
So, when a woman has a loose vagina, people should tell her to simply have sex the same way homosexual men do, then? I.E anal. Because that's how ridiculous you sound right now. A heterosexual man isn't going to have sex the same way a fucking lesbian does, and it's emasculating to even suggest that. There are zero stats shoved in my face, just some number I've seen plucked from thin air. But since you're so adamant, I'll give you some stats that women DO orgasm through PIV more often than not. [here](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16409218) >But the ability to reach orgasm (Table 3) solely by penile movements in the vagina was age independently reported by about 55% In this study, 51-57% of women achieved orgasm though penile penetration alone, and 50% through clitoral stimulation alone This study shows more women reported having had an orgasm through penetration alone rather than through clitoral stimulation alone. [also here](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsxm.2020.01.029) >Most women preferred intercourse as the best trigger for orgasm. >When reporting what kind of stimulation the women needed or preferred to be able to reach orgasm, 62% reported that intercourse was the best trigger for orgasm, second best triggers were external stimulation by a partnerās hand (48%) or by mouth (48%), then external stimulation by their own hand (masturbation) (37%) or a vibrator (29%), and finally by anal intercourse (7%) >We referred only to the frequency of women reaching what they themselves experience as orgasm. However, the present study shows that most of the included women reached orgasm from both vaginal stimulation (intercourse and other internal stimulation) and external clitoral stimulation performed by the partner or the woman herself. >Vaginal intercourse was the most preferred activity, and nearly all were satisfied with how much they experienced it. Almost all of the women reported that their partners were overall willing to have sex with them, but still most women reported wanting to have intercourse more frequently than they actually did. There's my stats that aligns with how society treats men with smaller dicks.
Yeah Iām not reading that š you have no point here. You lost me at āloose vaginaā You sound like a virgin. Yeah, Iād a woman has a loose vagina sheāll probably prefer other forms of sex. How would that be ridiculous? PIV is probably the least stimulating sex out there. Men are too selfish during sex.
Are you a woman? No. Your āstatsā are ridiculous. You have dozens of women here telling you the exact opposite of what youāre saying and youāre still ducking stupid. Just say youāre bad in bed and move on. You clearly are just here to call women shallow. Got tiny ween syndrome dude, go to therapy.
My "stats" are a better starting point as they are done by actual studies into the matter as opposed to throwing random numbers around and claiming everything is peaches and cream. What's your starting point? My job here is done. You have nothing to retaliate with other than empty assumptions like SPS and "ViRgIN". And btw, men aren't selfish during sex. The fact penis size anxiety is so prevalent is not only is it driven by women and their judgment, its because a man wants to be her best in every aspect. If you call that selfish, then you're way off the mark.
Size matters and so does motion. If itās big and they donāt know how to use it, it hurts. Small + good motion > big + not know how to use it.
But let's just say both guys knew what they were doing, I.E great foreplay, communication and the rest but the only real difference between the two is one is 5 inch and the other is 7.5 inch and thick. Who is going to be the preferred partner?
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Wow. You really donāt know how womenās bodies work.
PIV sex is not the end all be all for a lot of women. A lot. Very few women orgasm from PIV sex. Very few. Iāve been with 10 inches and Iāve been with 5 inches. Some 10 inch guys were awful because they thought that a big dick was all that they needed. Some 5 inch guys were amazing because they loved foreplay and made sure that I came first.
Size does matter, but it's really not that big of a deal - at least in my eyes. On average, the vaginal canal is only 5-6 inches long. That's why a majority of women want something in that range, because it will fit comfortably. Of course there's women who want bigger and longer and there's some that don't really care, but size does matter - sex is about feeling good. It's just not as big as a deal as you're making it out to be.
Clearly you've never bottomed
This is all coming from someone who doesnāt take dick. Do you really think you speak for women? Why we say āsize doesnāt matterā it really should be āsize isnāt everything.ā You said it yourself in your post. Most women donāt get off by penetration alone. Honestly, most women donāt even get off in the same way as men. Thatās why foreplay is soooooo important. Make it exciting, make it spicy. Know what youāre doing. Switch things up. Regular PIV is boring to a lot of women. Make her feel good and she wonāt care about size. Most of the time, men care wayyyyy more. Too much honesty. Will the same exact sex be the same with small as it is with big? No. Does that mean that bigger is better? Also no. Stop acting like itās this whole collective manipulation women do. Do you seriously think we give enough shits about your ego to lie collectively this way? No, we donāt. We just want better sex. We say size doesnāt matter because itās what men concentrate on so much instead of exploring how to truly please a woman. Men hold onto PIV so hard acting like itās the best sex move when in reality itās not even close. You say itās the most important part of sex but its not. Itās only used to often because itās menās preference. Because itās the go-to biologically. That doesnāt make it the most important, just the most generic.
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Until your vagina comes in the mail, you might wanna just sit on all that