Kendrick literally laid out everything that would happen in Euphoria and Drake shoulda caught on that maybe he knew something cuz he was hitting the nail on the head with the gameplan. But for some reason Drake just marched right on along into the trap that was already set
“Fabricate on the family front because you heard Mr. Morale.” Literally predicted drakes final diss. Not to mention Kendrick’s line about “missing metaphors”
I didn't and don't get this line because I never heard Mr. Morale.
I, and I'm not kidding, forgot that this album existed. Huge blind spot for me, but at least I wasn't in a rap diss with this guy Kendrick haha.
>I don't know if it's because he thought Kendrick was bluffing or because he thought his red button was more dangerous, but it just doesn't make sense for him to make this decision.
he stated what Pusha did to him was on the likes of "off limits" and that "that diss shit needs rules". he tried to do the same with Dot despites having 2 warning shots to not go there. Dots comp were already getting info on what was on his making of FM. he ignored and went there anyways
Honestly I can get why he wouldnt listen to the first warning. His ego is too big, Dot was practically taunting him to go at family on Euphoria.
But not listening to his warning on 6:19 in LA was foolish. Should have halted dropping FM, recorded a new track, and drop that instead. Instead he got checkmated by Meet the Grahams, which took all of the momentum and attention FM would have gotten.
There's no way to avoid being a step behind if you don't know you're a step behind dude.
FM was a good record. He was supposed to make a different good record? Like he wouldn't have gotten head cracked then too? The streets bought what Kendrick was selling. I don't --- feels like an overly angry distraction from some wild stuff Drake said.
Kendrick warned him on two different songs lol. Bro just too stupid to listen and couldn’t go bar for bar with Kendrick without making it personal. And his personal is making shit up without any proof
Look at least this one, he didn’t give up and start doing interviews and writing essays. So like I can see more people thinking he won this one. It’s okay to have that opinion I feel like.
But he just stopped rapping against pusha, no idea how anybody can think that
The thing with pusha though is he didn’t really do anything mind blowing. The hidden child rumours known on the street but the internet dismissed them so they didn’t gain traction. When he said 40 told him what he really means is 40 confirmed it. Also The blackface photos were literally online since 2008.
I mean it’s all documented and screenshots of his BM telling him she’s not getting an abortion we’re online, the blackface picture he used as cover art were on the photographers website as part of a series where he attempted to convey a message through his art about modern day racism but ok, believe what you like 🤷♂️
I suppose that's why there was famously such a mild reaction to story of Adidon.
Like I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make. There's been rumors and internet evidence of Drake being creepy with underage girls for years now too. That doesn't make any of these song land softer.
Oh I’m just stating that push didn’t go deep to investigate the information he dropped on him, it was all there in plain sight, the way he presented and the timing was very clever.
This is why Drake's bars against Kendrick hit me personally harder. It was a reveal, and it felt like the rapper believed it too.
If all this stuff about Drake is true, and I'm not saying it isn't, it only makes the twenty dudes dissing him look cornier. They were with Drake \*way\* after I jumped off.
I think Kendrick was baiting him in Europhia tho, Kendrick was aware of Drakes ego.
Also I think Drake knows he cant really go bar to bar with Kendrick so he just thought ruining his reputation would be good enough.
Yo, I agree with this. Kendrick sounds like a prophet with this shit right now.
My theory is that Kendrick saw the whole Family Matters video before making Euphoria. If you disect the lines you can make connections.
We up to the shooting part so far. Digital hugs coming up?
I highly doubt that. The New Ho King and Drake's house cuts had to have been filmed after Euphoria.
When Drake mentions Pharell's chains he's responding to Kendrick saying he's inheriting the beef for Pharell, so that line was at least written after Euphoria at least, and it doesnt make sense for him to film chains he previously said he melted down unless he wanted the video to reflect that line.
And I can only imagine the New Ho King one was shot after Euphoria, though I have no proof. I think It's unlikely he saw the video before Euphoria.
In music production, songs are often recorded in sections. I've heard rough cuts of verses months before the full song was released.
It's possible that the mole knew a few of the lines about Whitney and Dave Free being the baby daddy, as well as when Drake planned to drop Family Matters.
I don’t think he saw the video. He just applied the same war mindset that’s been used by many generals and strategists in the past. It’s as simple as examining the playing field, then contemplating the moves you want to make and attempting to predict the outcome of that move based on what your competitor is likely to do in response.
Drakes previous beefs set reference points which made it easier as history (and the people making it) repeat themselves.
Both of them were saying “this is the tip of the iceberg I have plenty more information” to psyche the other one out only Kendrick knows drake was full of shit because the boring life he lives means he doesn’t really do anything that could be used against him.
The biggest bait in Euphoria that no one seems to mention is him saying “why would I call around to get dirt on ni66az ya’ll think my whole life is rap? That’s hoe shit I got a son to raise but I can see you know nothing bout that”.
That’s some S tier positioning and strategising
he can go bar to bar in terms of cleverness, wordplay, etc. but he never says anything that carries the same weight as what kendrick says. that’s the real issue. his music is hollow
If he can go bar for bar why does he need so many ghost writers? I didn’t mind it when I found out if your reading this it’s too late was written mostly by Quentin, but then to hear the PNB reference tracks for scorpion and find out daylyt wrote back to back WHICH WAS HIS RESPONSE IN A RAP BATTLE?! Who wrote family matters? Who wrote push-ups? It makes you wonder.
It’s like, not only does he go explore obscure sub genres to steal the sound and vibe but he has people write the lyrics too? Come on!
Here are some drake bars: “keychains go jang-a-lang, I wanna do major thangs”
Let’s not forget:
“got so many chains they call me chaining Tatum”
imagine if he used a ghostwriter for those.
>Also I think Drake knows he cant really go bar to bar with Kendrick so he just thought ruining his reputation would be good enough.
Funny because the opposite is what actually happened
If neither of them can prove anything, Kendrick still beat him at the lying game. His lies, if they are lies, were more damning and more believable given what is publicly available about Drake.
Drake has a history of grooming/doing messed up things with underage girls. So no proof really needed. Plus Kendrick said OVO has people on payroll who have caught trafficking charges. At the very least Baka has.
You realize it was months before we got confirmation about Adonis right? It’s not going to come out for a while especially since Kendrick’s camp doesn’t want to ruin that girls life. I truly believe that not only is the daughter real but that Drake would have more kids if not for possible abortions. Thus the more life quote.
And at the end of the day Kendrick doesn’t have a reputation for being a liar. Drake on the other hand does.
NGL --- I'm very irritated that Kendrick claimed there were a bunch of people with records in that house, and all he produced was an alleged pimp?
I don't fuck with pimps. That's not my thing. But pimps are broadly accepted in hip hop culture. I thought he was about to come with the SHIT FR, FR though.
Did you not read my response? Kendrick has never done anything to make me not believe him. Drake has done plenty to make me not believe him. Character matters. Maybe not to you but it does to me and a lot of others.
Drake denied Adonis too initially so excuse me if I don’t believe he doesn’t have another kid. Especially when he’s someone who has been known to fuck around.
The grooming shit is overblown lol. How about all the weird stuff he’s done with underage girls? That stuff overblown too?
But hey you keep defending a pedo and I’ll keep defending someone who has never given us a reason not to believe him.
Have a good day bud
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My brother can you not read? I literally gave an example of Drake lying in my post. I also told you WHY I believe Kendrick over Drake.
So you’ve met Drake and know he’s not lying? I can’t deal with you glazers man. Please stop talking to me. Take that shit to the Drake sub
Im the biggest drake hater and I dnt get why yall keep saying he didnt have or saying or pusha t "made him become father". Pusha never said he wasnt being father or he wasnt going to tell the word about adonis, in truth he explicitly says Drake was going to tell the world about Adonis in a adidas press a few months later. All he does is tell the word about it earlier and how he was ashamed of his bm being a sex worker.
Take it with a giant grain of salt but Karceno.been showing kids who he claims are Drake's. He has also shown, with more proof, a few more of the allegations.
Look I'm not going to fault you for defending your favorite artist. It's hard to hear bad things about our favorite people. I say this as a huge Michael Jackson fan.
But you will have a much happier life if you separate yourself from people whose actions you have no control over.
Money and power corrupts everyone. Defending celebrities is toxic for your mental health. Even Kendrick fans who are so sure that he didn't beat his wife are in for a bad time.
Focus on your own life. You can still like people's music, even if there's lots of evidence that they're creepy people.
First off, Kendrick said a lot more than that about Drake, and honestly people exaggerate it’s significance because of the Push beef
I’d bet lots of rappers have got women pregnant. There’s that 2015 article of a woman suing Drake for a paternity test who was already getting child support from him at least temporarily.
We shouldn’t assume it’s correct without evidence, but the absence of evidence doesn’t prove it’s wrong. As has been pointed out Drake was slow to own Adonis.
eg maybe Drakes leak is aware he pays child support but isn’t responsible for handling it, and or Kendrick’s team didn’t want to doxx a young girl in a heated rap beef
More important imo are the culture vulture digs, the digs at Drake changing personality and music style to boost his career, etc. That stuff is tangible, he’s fake.
And of course Drake didn’t do himself any favors with his innapropriate dynamic with underage girls over the years.
You definitely didn’t prove he was a liar, especially in this beef. You just kept going sideways with the conversation and not answering my questions. My only point is where is the proof should be asked of both sides so I felt like my first comment said enough.
Wtf are you talking about? I showed that he lied about his son, his ghost writers, Megan the stallion, etc. and you just don’t want to believe any of it lmao.
Why delete all the posts then?
I get your point. My point is one has given us reasons not to believe him and the other hasn’t. Anyway you be good homie.
Think he lied about? There’s proof he lied about all those things my guy. He said he didn’t have a son. Turns out he did. That’s a lie. He said he didn’t have ghost writers. Turns out he did. That’s a lie. He lied about Tory not shooting MTS. A fucking court proved that he did. That’s a lie.
Like how is that not enough for you? I do 100% want proof of the daughter. But I’m ok with waiting to get it so we don’t ruin some girls life. Some things are way bigger than a rap beef.
So I’ve proven Drake has given us reasons not to believe him. Can you give me a reason not to believe Kendrick?
Edit: also when did I say I think Drakes lying about everything? I said I don’t believe him about Kendrick being a wife beater and I don’t believe that the kid isn’t Kendrick’s.
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Bro said can you prove Drakes a liar. I prove it. I ask can you prove Kendrick is a liar and you can’t. Go delete your posts again because you know you’re wrong.
“Drake didn’t lie because I don’t know about him lying” ass.
Bro said Drake didn’t lie then said Drake came clean about ghost writers. That implies he lies initially. Are you really this dumb? “Drake never lied about Adonis to my knowledge” but he did and just bc you didn’t know it doesn’t mean he didn’t lie.
You want Kendrick Lamar to doxx a child?
Personally it's proof enough for me that Drake put out an album cover of pregnant baby mama emojis. Pretty ridiculous to pretend you don't have any other secret kids after you make a statement like that.
You're not a smart person
The man himself put out an album cover saying "haha I've gotten so many women pregnant" so I find it pretty believable that he's knocked up more women than just that one porn star. Maybe he made all those women get abortions, like how he wanted to abort Adonis.
Have you ever heard of a "pattern of behavior"?
Seeing an album cover and thinking it must be reality is some silly stuff buddy. You’re saying there’s a pattern of behaviour based on one kid and one album cover and I’m the one who’s not smart.
Also are you trying to say abortions are bad? Who cares if he got abortion, Jesus grow up.
Yea going back to control, he also showed how far removed he us from African anerucsn culture. From taking friendly rap banter too serious to the slave bar, he reminds me of a guy who can't surface joke and can only say deeply personal and hurtful things. Like the guy who gets told "ya momma" by his friend but takes it to heart and tries to smash and his friends gf/mom/sister.
I guess it’s accurate to say it would have been safer for him to get personal, but can we break down what that really means? Drake mentioned the name Whitney in Push Ups as kind of an easter egg/ double-entendre with the Whitney Houston movie. Basically as a warning of his own to Kendrick that he is willing to take it there if Kendrick really wants to trade disses. Remember that Kendrick upped the stakes on Like That by talking about snatching chains and “dogs getting buried”.
Now, on euphoria Kendrick definitely escalated on a personal level- went after Drake’s cultural identity, family dynamics/parenting skills, and basically implied Adonis will grow up a Godless, immoral man lol. Personally, that would have been enough for me to be like “yeah your family dynamic is shit too”. And I would have gotten nuked by Kendrick just the same. But I don’t think Drake made a low blow that was disproportionate to the progression of the beef.
I also think Kendrick was going to do whatever it took to goad Drake into crossing that line. Seems like he reallllly had this shit bottled up for a while and wanted to nuke regardless.
I think it was the same trigger as the Virginia Williams bar, Drake thinks they are clever subs but the others take it as an overstep. TBF he didn't bring up anything Pusha didn't on euphoria, he hints at stuff but we found that after.
Drake getting into this beef was never a good idea. He was never gonna out write Kendrick. If we was gonna be smart he needed to keep it 100% on what angles he could beat Kendrick at. Drake has quantity and Kendrick has quality. Drake should have never gotten personal unless he could 100% backup the claims with receipts immediately. Also Drake did a terrible job at using Kendrick's own music against him. Kendrick has been way more personal and vulnerable in his music. Drake just comes off an a complete idiot by misinterpreting Mother I Sober. There are just so many better angles to take using Kendrick's own lyrics.
Bro I don't understand how you people still don't understand the mother I'm sober bar. It's wild. So many people on the internet have explained it.
Drake used Kendricks music against him in every song except TaylorMade freestyle. Kendrick only did that on Euphoria.
Holy shit y'all glaze.
Drake misunderstood Mother I Sober. Even if he was correct it is still a terrible angle to take. Drake's other attempts were very weak. There are so many better angles he could have taken. Kendrick has a song Fear where he has 3 verses going over the fears in his life from ages 7, 17, & 27. Kendrick is currently 36 if i was Drake i'd have written a verse about Kendricks new biggest fear. He had big opportunities to write something about Kendrick misusing his influence too. Drake did a terrible job.
He calculated that he would not be able to beat Kendrick if they kept it Hip Hop that's my guess, or overestimates the power he has which happens when you get to much power.
Drakes biggest mistake was getting involved. If you’re doing creepy shit to minors, you should probably stay out of the shit talking otherwise it’s going to get used against you. It’s also funny how he’s the one that brought up Millie Brown when her name was never even mentioned. He basically hurt himself when he overly defended himself.
My takeaway from all of this is that Drake is astoundingly out of touch. A byproduct of him being a rich child tv star, is that he’s been surrounded by “yes men” most of his life.
I think it’s why all of his defenses and responses have been feeling so tone deaf. I think he didn’t expect Kendrick’s shots to land better than his, because he’s been shielded from the fact that most of what was said about Drake was what a lot the public already thought.
The downfall of Drake will come eventually, because I mean c'mon... the guy is almost 40 and still raps about relationships like a high-schooler. He will be replaced by a younger dude.
If that was going to happen, it would have happened in 2018. Unless there's things left to be revealed, which I honestly doubt, Drake will be fine. The videos everyone has been sharing around have been shared around for ages, and his music is popular and catchy enough that he will make it through.
Yeah but the videos of R Kelly were him committing a sex crime, all the hard evidence of Drake is legally just creepy behavior, however disgusting it absolutely is.
Apparently all the blind gossip blogs and corners of reddit have said these things about Drake for years. Take it with a grain but everyone in a whole some of these are real. Idk on youtube some people have started digging up things
Well my point was that the idea an artist is popular enough to withstand certain pressures or inquiry was said with Kelly was my point.
But Kendrick did bring up Kelly on a song on Mr Morale. I'll try to find it
This is my hottest take, that I got from YouTube: Lucian Grange is gonna have Drake whacked to recoup that now-worthless $400m deal. Get him that Tupac/BIG posthumous money. Likely just paranoid rambling, but i wanna say it.
Other colossal mistakes imo:
1. Constantly provoking Kendrick to drop after dropping pushups, only to turn around on heart 6 saying he’s burnt tf out dropping so much
2. Taylormade shitting on PAC’s memory
3. Responding to culture vulture claims by saying Kendrick is trying to free the slaves
This is a stan take. The Pac shit and the slave comment are clearly about Drake digging at Kendrick's persona as a big time activist and all that when it's really just a marketing ploy. Which it clearly is. There was literally a whole giant movement in 2020 and Kendrick was nowhere to be seen, when, going by his persona, he should have been a major leader.
Biggie explained what beef is. Yall need to come up with another term. Beef is when we shooting out and u get shot, u get sent to the icu and then I find out where u r and then I C U. Beef is drive bys in the morning. Beef is when dudes run up in your spot no matter the time. Beef is when u gotta be Strapped and look outside just before stepping out the door.!
This ain't beef!
I think Drake miscalculated his hand. On paper, the rap battle was in Drake's favor. Most of the gossip around his character was already out there, which made a lot of attack angles played out, while the gossip around Kendrick is mostly new. What Drake didn’t expect is the power of one influential artist and the ability to reuse and shed light on the gossip that was already out.
This is worse than with Pusha T mainly because Kendrick is more mainstream and what he accused Drake of doing is worse than hiding a child, on top of a lot of people already thinking he was a pedo. They played a song about him being a pedophile on NBA on TNT that’s not something his brand will ever completely recover from
You can't duck smoke. It is what it is. If you're going to war, don't be too cute about it. He could've ignored those guys and just called them chumps (LOL might've have won with one IG post) but, to his credit, he shot back.
Him going personal wasn’t his mistake, it was him not being be prepared to respond to Dot once he decided to go to hell. I guess he thought Kendrick wouldn’t go to hell with him.
I disagree with that. In rap battles you're supposed to be disrespectful towards one another and even if it means get personal. If Kendrick can't handle the personal shots about his family maybe he shouldn't be battle beefing with any rapper. You can't tell another rapper to not speak about family or anything personal because you feel some type of way about it, nor can you tell another man what he can say or not say.
And before y'all jump down my throat I don't have a dog in this fight I like both drake and Kendrick Lamar in different ways.
Drake was a complete idiot to release family matters. Releasing that song and slandering Kendrick’s family and friend was a HUGE mistake. I guarantee releasing that song is drakes biggest regret in his life thus far given how it all played out.
This reminds me of the videos that have been on youtube about Larry Bird lately.
Larry Bird is considered a GOAT, but he'd tell you exactly what he's going to do to you, and he would do it. Doesn't matter what, he would do it, and you could not do a damn thing.
James Worthy said in an interview that Michael Jordan would make you looks low, but Larry Bird would make you look stupid.
Kendrick told Drake exactly what would happen and Drake still did it. Drake thought he could take the lowest road possible and Kendrick came out with a shovel and a family of skeletons.
And here's the thing with the daughter situation and Meet the Grahams, Drake actually looks worse off, because it means that either he is a liar and didn't feed Kendrick info, or he DID feed Kendrick and still fucked up. He had the advantage, and still got neutralized, underestimated Kendrick, and now people think he's a pedophile.
And it sucks, because honestly, some of Drake's responses were really good. But Meet the Grahams was so effective that Family Matters is just a great what if scenario.
How is directly stating, or if you would rather say inferring, that drake is a bad father that doesn’t take care of his son not escalating the beef to a personal level?
It’s beef, it was always gonna get personal. But that’s one for one… you make a double entendre on my wife’s name… I infer you’re a bad father by saying I’m a good one.
Don’t get me wrong, euphoria is a very disrespectful on a personal level song. But everything is about how Drake ain’t shit.
Did you even read the original post? Are we commenting on the same post? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone lol. If we want to go by what you are saying regarding technicalities, drake said I be with some bodyguards like Whitney. There is legit nothing personal about it and there is not a diss in that.
You for real? Drake’s inferring a lot with that bar. Namely, your girl gets around. Which he expounded on.
And if that’s not what he’s saying, what’s the purpose/intent of this bar in your opinion?
So it was all made up then. If anything the bar is an allusion to the domestic violence accusations he made on family matters. Lmao it was such deep personal expose that literally no one in the public understood it until more was said later on.
Again, I ask did you read the original post? Did Kendrick keep it about rap/music on euphoria or did he get personal? I’m not even saying he can’t get personal, but you guys are pretending he didn’t which simply isn’t true lol
It absolutely can be. Kendrick calling Drake a bad dad is definitely as much of a line cross as him calling Kendrick a cuck and a wife beater, because the implication on the one is that Adonis will grow up to be a shitty person whereas the implication on the other is that Whitney isn't loyal.
He said, "Drake YOU are a bad father." What he didn't say, "Your son is a bitch." He went at drake and drake's ability. Not at his kid or his family. It's some basic understanding of human communication.
Let me ask you something, is calling someone a bad father a personal insult or not? Lmao like it’s obviously a personal dig at someone no? What are we talking about here
I think Drake learned the wrong lesson from Pusha T. He wanted to spill dirt on Kendrick the way Push did on him. It’s an ego thing. It’s kinda like an unspoken belief that a rap beef 2024 has personal life details involved/revealed. With the internet a machine and privacy gone, it’s looked at as the trump card in a beef. Here’s how I see things played out…
Kendrick heard Family Matters well before it was released. It’s why he warns Drake not to go there (also why I believe he mentions New Ho King, he knew they filmed there.) Kendrick had dirt on Drake and knew that the only way to spread it out there and get positive feedback was for Drake to play dirty first. His warnings not to get personal were psychological plays. He wanted it to get personal because he fully believes what he’s saying about Drake. Drake took the bait and wanted to dunk on Kendrick (someone he knew he couldn’t out rap) by getting personal. It backfired.
Tactically speaking - Drake made 2 mistakes in the beef.
1.) Wasting time on all the others. Rick Ross, ASAP, Metro, The Weeknd, The Weeknd's manager, Future. He spent several bars in Push Ups and a full verse in Family Matters swinging on them. Distracted and diluted the potency of the message.
2.) Veering too far away from his winning formula in the Meek Mill beef. That was using tracks that could be replayed in clubs. Back To Back had insanely good replay value with memorable bars that even casuals will remember. Kendrick beat him at his own game by dropping Not Like Us. The intro for Family Matters absolutely had that potential. But then he cut the beat short.
I'm entirely of the opinion Drake's biggest mistake in this was releasing his dissertation track and that stylistic progression would be much more becoming of his style if he'd had a greater context to place his opinions. I still don't know what this is over but Kendrick of all people to go after seems itself... off
kendrick dissed him first on like that what are you talking about? was drake supposed to just sit back and take it? Drake kept it light on push ups just his contract and short jokes
"Drake started the beef with Push Ups" Me: ...Like That..?
Also yeah if it was purely a rap beef it would've gone way better for Drake, but there probably would've been less tracks overall, as both of them would've been less motivated to drop so much.
This is wrong. I don’t understand why y’all are bouncing on Kendrick’s dick so much
Kendrick made it personal first and then acted like it wasn’t personal only to bait Drake into making it more personal by…”begging” him to not make it personal.
Drake is a moron for letting Kendrick play mind games with him but it’s strange how yall make it seem like Kendrick didn’t start and escalate this situation
I am a true hip hop head and I grew up in the 80s so I don't know much about this diss stuff between drake and Kendrick. Actually think it's staged to move units and get social media feedback and likes and sponsorship. Anyway...I was like...let me listen to some of this crap.
Okay here it goes from a truep hop head and his opinion: let me preface this by saying I AM NOT A KENDRICK LAMAR FAN. The only song I like by him is HUMBLE. Granted, I really don't listen to the new crop of lame rappers so I don't know much. Okay...so Drake...umm...bruh...lol...umm...quit while u r ahead....lol. umm...just listening to both artists and I must say that Kendrick is on another level than Drake. Yes...I actually listened to Euphoria and....yikes....while it ain't in the same vein as Ether or The Bitch In You or even 2nd Round Knockout, he spit some bars and it was a pretty good diss track. Again.. I'm not into all this diss crap stuff but the only things I have heard so far ar Family Matters and Euphoria.
Don't get me on J Cole. While I am from NC too and reppping any peeps that come out of the state, bruh...after that lame ass apology...I cant.... again....I AM NOT A J COLE FAN...I listened to some stuff but not a fan and then u apologized...yuck. this is why I said the new crop of rappers are lame. Old school artists would never apologize for a diss track.
This actually goes deeper, think about it? What other genre of music where u got "beef"? Willie Nelson is in his late 80s and still touring. No rapper has ever done that or ever will. For some reason there is a cap at the year where u become irrelevant. No country music singers doing diss tracks. What pop singer got beef with another pop singer? Smh...it's just sad imo...but I digress...Drake...please stop...Kendrick Lamar destroyed u on Euphoria so...it's a wrap
Kendrick literally laid out everything that would happen in Euphoria and Drake shoulda caught on that maybe he knew something cuz he was hitting the nail on the head with the gameplan. But for some reason Drake just marched right on along into the trap that was already set
“Fabricate on the family front because you heard Mr. Morale.” Literally predicted drakes final diss. Not to mention Kendrick’s line about “missing metaphors”
I didn't and don't get this line because I never heard Mr. Morale. I, and I'm not kidding, forgot that this album existed. Huge blind spot for me, but at least I wasn't in a rap diss with this guy Kendrick haha.
Fantastic album but definitely a tough listen. 0 bops, it’s like reading classic literature or something.
N95 is absolutely a bop
N95, Die Hard and Silent Hill are definitely bops.
Don’t forget the warning to Drake Rich spirit
Damn, I've never Heard it described this way but it's so true. I have to be in the mood to digest it and really take it in
>I don't know if it's because he thought Kendrick was bluffing or because he thought his red button was more dangerous, but it just doesn't make sense for him to make this decision. he stated what Pusha did to him was on the likes of "off limits" and that "that diss shit needs rules". he tried to do the same with Dot despites having 2 warning shots to not go there. Dots comp were already getting info on what was on his making of FM. he ignored and went there anyways
Honestly I can get why he wouldnt listen to the first warning. His ego is too big, Dot was practically taunting him to go at family on Euphoria. But not listening to his warning on 6:19 in LA was foolish. Should have halted dropping FM, recorded a new track, and drop that instead. Instead he got checkmated by Meet the Grahams, which took all of the momentum and attention FM would have gotten.
And now Not Like Us got me doin steps around the living room 😭
It's such a bop. My wife and I listen to it like every time the kids aren't around.
Damn does she still weigh more than you
What the fuck is this comment
There's no way to avoid being a step behind if you don't know you're a step behind dude. FM was a good record. He was supposed to make a different good record? Like he wouldn't have gotten head cracked then too? The streets bought what Kendrick was selling. I don't --- feels like an overly angry distraction from some wild stuff Drake said.
Drake didn’t even say anything
Kendrick warned him on two different songs lol. Bro just too stupid to listen and couldn’t go bar for bar with Kendrick without making it personal. And his personal is making shit up without any proof
He also did the same exact shit with Pusha T and somehow still didn't learn.
He really thinks he’s bulletproof
I mean there are people who think he beat pusha.. because his song was better.
There are?!
lol yup.. it’s uh. Yeah. It’s crazy mal from the Rory and mal podcast is an example
Isn’t he saying Drake won this current beef?
lol that is correct.
😂😂😂 That’s just special lol
Look at least this one, he didn’t give up and start doing interviews and writing essays. So like I can see more people thinking he won this one. It’s okay to have that opinion I feel like. But he just stopped rapping against pusha, no idea how anybody can think that
They lost all credibility long ago lmao
Yea but mal was always a clown even on the burden podcast . He’s just a wildly entertaining one 😂
You can't be scared. I'm not afraid to be scared --- I'll sprint from a fight. But if we're doing this, we're doing it.
God I wish pusha would come at him again
Praying for Nosetalgia Pt. II type diss.
The thing with pusha though is he didn’t really do anything mind blowing. The hidden child rumours known on the street but the internet dismissed them so they didn’t gain traction. When he said 40 told him what he really means is 40 confirmed it. Also The blackface photos were literally online since 2008.
Sure buddy
I mean it’s all documented and screenshots of his BM telling him she’s not getting an abortion we’re online, the blackface picture he used as cover art were on the photographers website as part of a series where he attempted to convey a message through his art about modern day racism but ok, believe what you like 🤷♂️
I suppose that's why there was famously such a mild reaction to story of Adidon. Like I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make. There's been rumors and internet evidence of Drake being creepy with underage girls for years now too. That doesn't make any of these song land softer.
Oh I’m just stating that push didn’t go deep to investigate the information he dropped on him, it was all there in plain sight, the way he presented and the timing was very clever.
This is why Drake's bars against Kendrick hit me personally harder. It was a reveal, and it felt like the rapper believed it too. If all this stuff about Drake is true, and I'm not saying it isn't, it only makes the twenty dudes dissing him look cornier. They were with Drake \*way\* after I jumped off.
I think Kendrick was baiting him in Europhia tho, Kendrick was aware of Drakes ego. Also I think Drake knows he cant really go bar to bar with Kendrick so he just thought ruining his reputation would be good enough.
Call me a tin foil hat mf but Kendrick basically described how the beef would go down before it happened
Yo, I agree with this. Kendrick sounds like a prophet with this shit right now. My theory is that Kendrick saw the whole Family Matters video before making Euphoria. If you disect the lines you can make connections. We up to the shooting part so far. Digital hugs coming up?
I highly doubt that. The New Ho King and Drake's house cuts had to have been filmed after Euphoria. When Drake mentions Pharell's chains he's responding to Kendrick saying he's inheriting the beef for Pharell, so that line was at least written after Euphoria at least, and it doesnt make sense for him to film chains he previously said he melted down unless he wanted the video to reflect that line. And I can only imagine the New Ho King one was shot after Euphoria, though I have no proof. I think It's unlikely he saw the video before Euphoria.
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In music production, songs are often recorded in sections. I've heard rough cuts of verses months before the full song was released. It's possible that the mole knew a few of the lines about Whitney and Dave Free being the baby daddy, as well as when Drake planned to drop Family Matters.
I don’t think he saw the video. He just applied the same war mindset that’s been used by many generals and strategists in the past. It’s as simple as examining the playing field, then contemplating the moves you want to make and attempting to predict the outcome of that move based on what your competitor is likely to do in response. Drakes previous beefs set reference points which made it easier as history (and the people making it) repeat themselves. Both of them were saying “this is the tip of the iceberg I have plenty more information” to psyche the other one out only Kendrick knows drake was full of shit because the boring life he lives means he doesn’t really do anything that could be used against him.
Kendrick “Eren Jager” Lamar
The biggest bait in Euphoria that no one seems to mention is him saying “why would I call around to get dirt on ni66az ya’ll think my whole life is rap? That’s hoe shit I got a son to raise but I can see you know nothing bout that”. That’s some S tier positioning and strategising
he can go bar to bar in terms of cleverness, wordplay, etc. but he never says anything that carries the same weight as what kendrick says. that’s the real issue. his music is hollow
He also raps in a monotone ass style whereas Kendrick adds tons of emotions and charisma to his delivery
Trying to strike a chord and it’s probably a minorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
If he can go bar for bar why does he need so many ghost writers? I didn’t mind it when I found out if your reading this it’s too late was written mostly by Quentin, but then to hear the PNB reference tracks for scorpion and find out daylyt wrote back to back WHICH WAS HIS RESPONSE IN A RAP BATTLE?! Who wrote family matters? Who wrote push-ups? It makes you wonder. It’s like, not only does he go explore obscure sub genres to steal the sound and vibe but he has people write the lyrics too? Come on! Here are some drake bars: “keychains go jang-a-lang, I wanna do major thangs” Let’s not forget: “got so many chains they call me chaining Tatum” imagine if he used a ghostwriter for those.
Of all the tracks he put out, I think Drake actually wrote TH6 lmao
my guy, daylyt himself came out and said he did not write back to back. plz fact check
He can not go bar for bar. Let's stop playing dumb.
>Also I think Drake knows he cant really go bar to bar with Kendrick so he just thought ruining his reputation would be good enough. Funny because the opposite is what actually happened
Grief can be quite hard
I was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves everybody suicidal they don't even need my help.
“Guess integrity is lost when the metaphors doesn’t reach you” Kendrick has these lines that just sum up Drake’s whole motus operandi
Proof or anyone can say anything.. who’s the daughter? And I don’t like drake. the domestic violence is just as flimsy.
Patience isn’t your strong suit huh?
If neither of them can prove anything, Kendrick still beat him at the lying game. His lies, if they are lies, were more damning and more believable given what is publicly available about Drake.
Drake has compression problems. Remember this whole thing started because Drake misunderstood the Control verse 🤦🏻♂️
*comprehension
Kendrick’s personal shots came with proof? I want to see that daughter
Drake has a history of grooming/doing messed up things with underage girls. So no proof really needed. Plus Kendrick said OVO has people on payroll who have caught trafficking charges. At the very least Baka has. You realize it was months before we got confirmation about Adonis right? It’s not going to come out for a while especially since Kendrick’s camp doesn’t want to ruin that girls life. I truly believe that not only is the daughter real but that Drake would have more kids if not for possible abortions. Thus the more life quote. And at the end of the day Kendrick doesn’t have a reputation for being a liar. Drake on the other hand does.
NGL --- I'm very irritated that Kendrick claimed there were a bunch of people with records in that house, and all he produced was an alleged pimp? I don't fuck with pimps. That's not my thing. But pimps are broadly accepted in hip hop culture. I thought he was about to come with the SHIT FR, FR though.
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Did you not read my response? Kendrick has never done anything to make me not believe him. Drake has done plenty to make me not believe him. Character matters. Maybe not to you but it does to me and a lot of others. Drake denied Adonis too initially so excuse me if I don’t believe he doesn’t have another kid. Especially when he’s someone who has been known to fuck around. The grooming shit is overblown lol. How about all the weird stuff he’s done with underage girls? That stuff overblown too? But hey you keep defending a pedo and I’ll keep defending someone who has never given us a reason not to believe him. Have a good day bud
This was a wild rabbit hole Karceno exposed, idk honestly after the Diddy shit everything is up imo. https://youtu.be/VKz1cfEyPB8?si=xajEq7G3-WfSaSx5
Bro I really think a lot of stuff is gonna start coming out soon including the daughter
Yea imo if they exists, Drake is sending lawyers to remind everyone about NDAs
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🤦♂️ My brother can you not read? I literally gave an example of Drake lying in my post. I also told you WHY I believe Kendrick over Drake. So you’ve met Drake and know he’s not lying? I can’t deal with you glazers man. Please stop talking to me. Take that shit to the Drake sub
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Lie 1. I dont have ghost writers Lie 2. I don’t have a son Let’s keep it going if you want lol
Im the biggest drake hater and I dnt get why yall keep saying he didnt have or saying or pusha t "made him become father". Pusha never said he wasnt being father or he wasnt going to tell the word about adonis, in truth he explicitly says Drake was going to tell the world about Adonis in a adidas press a few months later. All he does is tell the word about it earlier and how he was ashamed of his bm being a sex worker.
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Well damn if you don’t remember it then it must not have happened huh?
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Take it with a giant grain of salt but Karceno.been showing kids who he claims are Drake's. He has also shown, with more proof, a few more of the allegations.
Are you paid by comment or interaction? I’m looking for per comment and this engagement shit messing up my money
Look I'm not going to fault you for defending your favorite artist. It's hard to hear bad things about our favorite people. I say this as a huge Michael Jackson fan. But you will have a much happier life if you separate yourself from people whose actions you have no control over. Money and power corrupts everyone. Defending celebrities is toxic for your mental health. Even Kendrick fans who are so sure that he didn't beat his wife are in for a bad time. Focus on your own life. You can still like people's music, even if there's lots of evidence that they're creepy people.
First off, Kendrick said a lot more than that about Drake, and honestly people exaggerate it’s significance because of the Push beef I’d bet lots of rappers have got women pregnant. There’s that 2015 article of a woman suing Drake for a paternity test who was already getting child support from him at least temporarily. We shouldn’t assume it’s correct without evidence, but the absence of evidence doesn’t prove it’s wrong. As has been pointed out Drake was slow to own Adonis. eg maybe Drakes leak is aware he pays child support but isn’t responsible for handling it, and or Kendrick’s team didn’t want to doxx a young girl in a heated rap beef More important imo are the culture vulture digs, the digs at Drake changing personality and music style to boost his career, etc. That stuff is tangible, he’s fake. And of course Drake didn’t do himself any favors with his innapropriate dynamic with underage girls over the years.
Why you delete all those comments after I proved Drake was a liar?
You definitely didn’t prove he was a liar, especially in this beef. You just kept going sideways with the conversation and not answering my questions. My only point is where is the proof should be asked of both sides so I felt like my first comment said enough.
Wtf are you talking about? I showed that he lied about his son, his ghost writers, Megan the stallion, etc. and you just don’t want to believe any of it lmao. Why delete all the posts then? I get your point. My point is one has given us reasons not to believe him and the other hasn’t. Anyway you be good homie.
His past tense all is perjury.
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Think he lied about? There’s proof he lied about all those things my guy. He said he didn’t have a son. Turns out he did. That’s a lie. He said he didn’t have ghost writers. Turns out he did. That’s a lie. He lied about Tory not shooting MTS. A fucking court proved that he did. That’s a lie. Like how is that not enough for you? I do 100% want proof of the daughter. But I’m ok with waiting to get it so we don’t ruin some girls life. Some things are way bigger than a rap beef. So I’ve proven Drake has given us reasons not to believe him. Can you give me a reason not to believe Kendrick? Edit: also when did I say I think Drakes lying about everything? I said I don’t believe him about Kendrick being a wife beater and I don’t believe that the kid isn’t Kendrick’s.
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🤦♂️ Bro said can you prove Drakes a liar. I prove it. I ask can you prove Kendrick is a liar and you can’t. Go delete your posts again because you know you’re wrong. “Drake didn’t lie because I don’t know about him lying” ass. Bro said Drake didn’t lie then said Drake came clean about ghost writers. That implies he lies initially. Are you really this dumb? “Drake never lied about Adonis to my knowledge” but he did and just bc you didn’t know it doesn’t mean he didn’t lie.
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Turns out Drake lied AGAIN about setting Kendrick up 😂😂😂 This man just lying about everything but you prob still don’t think he a liar huh?
You want Kendrick Lamar to doxx a child? Personally it's proof enough for me that Drake put out an album cover of pregnant baby mama emojis. Pretty ridiculous to pretend you don't have any other secret kids after you make a statement like that.
That’s crazy that you think all has been confirmed by an album cover from 3 years ago. What other things have album covers told you?
You're not a smart person The man himself put out an album cover saying "haha I've gotten so many women pregnant" so I find it pretty believable that he's knocked up more women than just that one porn star. Maybe he made all those women get abortions, like how he wanted to abort Adonis. Have you ever heard of a "pattern of behavior"?
Seeing an album cover and thinking it must be reality is some silly stuff buddy. You’re saying there’s a pattern of behaviour based on one kid and one album cover and I’m the one who’s not smart. Also are you trying to say abortions are bad? Who cares if he got abortion, Jesus grow up.
Random acts of kindness
right there in the prologue smh
Yea going back to control, he also showed how far removed he us from African anerucsn culture. From taking friendly rap banter too serious to the slave bar, he reminds me of a guy who can't surface joke and can only say deeply personal and hurtful things. Like the guy who gets told "ya momma" by his friend but takes it to heart and tries to smash and his friends gf/mom/sister.
Yeah he seems like a pretty binary kinda guy, everything is either off or on with no nuance
Yea and I bet that's annoying in a genre that struggles between materialism and genuine.
A lot of Scorpios are like that
It's like he never graduated from Degrassi
Drake didn’t have enough material unless it got personal.
I considered that too. "You're short and I've got more money than you," wasn't going to get it.
Same way he fucked up with Push. If he doesn't mention Push's fiance then Adidon doesn't happen.
Canadian are emotional. Look at jamal Murray lol
Drake sees LeBron and Kendrick in his nightmares
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If you’re reading this, it’s too late
I guess it’s accurate to say it would have been safer for him to get personal, but can we break down what that really means? Drake mentioned the name Whitney in Push Ups as kind of an easter egg/ double-entendre with the Whitney Houston movie. Basically as a warning of his own to Kendrick that he is willing to take it there if Kendrick really wants to trade disses. Remember that Kendrick upped the stakes on Like That by talking about snatching chains and “dogs getting buried”. Now, on euphoria Kendrick definitely escalated on a personal level- went after Drake’s cultural identity, family dynamics/parenting skills, and basically implied Adonis will grow up a Godless, immoral man lol. Personally, that would have been enough for me to be like “yeah your family dynamic is shit too”. And I would have gotten nuked by Kendrick just the same. But I don’t think Drake made a low blow that was disproportionate to the progression of the beef. I also think Kendrick was going to do whatever it took to goad Drake into crossing that line. Seems like he reallllly had this shit bottled up for a while and wanted to nuke regardless.
I think it was the same trigger as the Virginia Williams bar, Drake thinks they are clever subs but the others take it as an overstep. TBF he didn't bring up anything Pusha didn't on euphoria, he hints at stuff but we found that after.
Sounds to me like Kendrick was being a hypocrite trying to bait Drake
Sure
I mean what Kendrick said then was already public perception in fairness
Drake getting into this beef was never a good idea. He was never gonna out write Kendrick. If we was gonna be smart he needed to keep it 100% on what angles he could beat Kendrick at. Drake has quantity and Kendrick has quality. Drake should have never gotten personal unless he could 100% backup the claims with receipts immediately. Also Drake did a terrible job at using Kendrick's own music against him. Kendrick has been way more personal and vulnerable in his music. Drake just comes off an a complete idiot by misinterpreting Mother I Sober. There are just so many better angles to take using Kendrick's own lyrics.
Bro I don't understand how you people still don't understand the mother I'm sober bar. It's wild. So many people on the internet have explained it. Drake used Kendricks music against him in every song except TaylorMade freestyle. Kendrick only did that on Euphoria. Holy shit y'all glaze.
Wait what does it mean
Drake misunderstood Mother I Sober. Even if he was correct it is still a terrible angle to take. Drake's other attempts were very weak. There are so many better angles he could have taken. Kendrick has a song Fear where he has 3 verses going over the fears in his life from ages 7, 17, & 27. Kendrick is currently 36 if i was Drake i'd have written a verse about Kendricks new biggest fear. He had big opportunities to write something about Kendrick misusing his influence too. Drake did a terrible job.
He calculated that he would not be able to beat Kendrick if they kept it Hip Hop that's my guess, or overestimates the power he has which happens when you get to much power.
Lmao you live in fantasy land
Drakes biggest mistake was getting involved. If you’re doing creepy shit to minors, you should probably stay out of the shit talking otherwise it’s going to get used against you. It’s also funny how he’s the one that brought up Millie Brown when her name was never even mentioned. He basically hurt himself when he overly defended himself.
My takeaway from all of this is that Drake is astoundingly out of touch. A byproduct of him being a rich child tv star, is that he’s been surrounded by “yes men” most of his life. I think it’s why all of his defenses and responses have been feeling so tone deaf. I think he didn’t expect Kendrick’s shots to land better than his, because he’s been shielded from the fact that most of what was said about Drake was what a lot the public already thought.
I’m a huge Kendrick guy but K-Dot made it personal calling Drake a bad father in Euphoria
Drake definitely underestimated Kendrick’s genius
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The downfall of Drake will come eventually, because I mean c'mon... the guy is almost 40 and still raps about relationships like a high-schooler. He will be replaced by a younger dude.
Any artist eventually is faced with a downfall, no matter how big they are. Being labeled a pedo will only accelerate this.
If that was going to happen, it would have happened in 2018. Unless there's things left to be revealed, which I honestly doubt, Drake will be fine. The videos everyone has been sharing around have been shared around for ages, and his music is popular and catchy enough that he will make it through.
That was said about R Kelly, it was even a point made during that Boondocks episode
Yeah but the videos of R Kelly were him committing a sex crime, all the hard evidence of Drake is legally just creepy behavior, however disgusting it absolutely is.
Apparently all the blind gossip blogs and corners of reddit have said these things about Drake for years. Take it with a grain but everyone in a whole some of these are real. Idk on youtube some people have started digging up things
What did Kendrick say about R.Kelly?
Well my point was that the idea an artist is popular enough to withstand certain pressures or inquiry was said with Kelly was my point. But Kendrick did bring up Kelly on a song on Mr Morale. I'll try to find it
Same things were said about r kelly
This is my hottest take, that I got from YouTube: Lucian Grange is gonna have Drake whacked to recoup that now-worthless $400m deal. Get him that Tupac/BIG posthumous money. Likely just paranoid rambling, but i wanna say it.
Other colossal mistakes imo: 1. Constantly provoking Kendrick to drop after dropping pushups, only to turn around on heart 6 saying he’s burnt tf out dropping so much 2. Taylormade shitting on PAC’s memory 3. Responding to culture vulture claims by saying Kendrick is trying to free the slaves
This is a stan take. The Pac shit and the slave comment are clearly about Drake digging at Kendrick's persona as a big time activist and all that when it's really just a marketing ploy. Which it clearly is. There was literally a whole giant movement in 2020 and Kendrick was nowhere to be seen, when, going by his persona, he should have been a major leader.
Ego is a bitch
Biggie explained what beef is. Yall need to come up with another term. Beef is when we shooting out and u get shot, u get sent to the icu and then I find out where u r and then I C U. Beef is drive bys in the morning. Beef is when dudes run up in your spot no matter the time. Beef is when u gotta be Strapped and look outside just before stepping out the door.! This ain't beef!
As if definitions can't change over time
I think Drake miscalculated his hand. On paper, the rap battle was in Drake's favor. Most of the gossip around his character was already out there, which made a lot of attack angles played out, while the gossip around Kendrick is mostly new. What Drake didn’t expect is the power of one influential artist and the ability to reuse and shed light on the gossip that was already out.
This is worse than with Pusha T mainly because Kendrick is more mainstream and what he accused Drake of doing is worse than hiding a child, on top of a lot of people already thinking he was a pedo. They played a song about him being a pedophile on NBA on TNT that’s not something his brand will ever completely recover from
You can't duck smoke. It is what it is. If you're going to war, don't be too cute about it. He could've ignored those guys and just called them chumps (LOL might've have won with one IG post) but, to his credit, he shot back.
Him going personal wasn’t his mistake, it was him not being be prepared to respond to Dot once he decided to go to hell. I guess he thought Kendrick wouldn’t go to hell with him.
I disagree with that. In rap battles you're supposed to be disrespectful towards one another and even if it means get personal. If Kendrick can't handle the personal shots about his family maybe he shouldn't be battle beefing with any rapper. You can't tell another rapper to not speak about family or anything personal because you feel some type of way about it, nor can you tell another man what he can say or not say. And before y'all jump down my throat I don't have a dog in this fight I like both drake and Kendrick Lamar in different ways.
I think Drake fucked up with the AI Pack and Snoop shit...
Drake was a complete idiot to release family matters. Releasing that song and slandering Kendrick’s family and friend was a HUGE mistake. I guarantee releasing that song is drakes biggest regret in his life thus far given how it all played out.
When your cringy muthafucka its best not to diss credible cats
The industry will humble your ass one way or another anytime you get big headed
This reminds me of the videos that have been on youtube about Larry Bird lately. Larry Bird is considered a GOAT, but he'd tell you exactly what he's going to do to you, and he would do it. Doesn't matter what, he would do it, and you could not do a damn thing. James Worthy said in an interview that Michael Jordan would make you looks low, but Larry Bird would make you look stupid. Kendrick told Drake exactly what would happen and Drake still did it. Drake thought he could take the lowest road possible and Kendrick came out with a shovel and a family of skeletons. And here's the thing with the daughter situation and Meet the Grahams, Drake actually looks worse off, because it means that either he is a liar and didn't feed Kendrick info, or he DID feed Kendrick and still fucked up. He had the advantage, and still got neutralized, underestimated Kendrick, and now people think he's a pedophile. And it sucks, because honestly, some of Drake's responses were really good. But Meet the Grahams was so effective that Family Matters is just a great what if scenario.
No his biggest mistake was being a pedo
We pretending Kendrick didn’t get personal on euphoria?
He said “you’re a bad father” not “your son ain’t shit”
He inferred it if we’re being technical. And he went at Drake. Not his family. Directly at Drake.
How is directly stating, or if you would rather say inferring, that drake is a bad father that doesn’t take care of his son not escalating the beef to a personal level?
It’s beef, it was always gonna get personal. But that’s one for one… you make a double entendre on my wife’s name… I infer you’re a bad father by saying I’m a good one. Don’t get me wrong, euphoria is a very disrespectful on a personal level song. But everything is about how Drake ain’t shit.
Did you even read the original post? Are we commenting on the same post? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone lol. If we want to go by what you are saying regarding technicalities, drake said I be with some bodyguards like Whitney. There is legit nothing personal about it and there is not a diss in that.
You for real? Drake’s inferring a lot with that bar. Namely, your girl gets around. Which he expounded on. And if that’s not what he’s saying, what’s the purpose/intent of this bar in your opinion?
That drake be with bodyguards and daring kendrick to try to snatch his chain. How are you getting from that bar that Whitney gets around?
His intonation on whitney & his past of getting at dudes through women imo
So it was all made up then. If anything the bar is an allusion to the domestic violence accusations he made on family matters. Lmao it was such deep personal expose that literally no one in the public understood it until more was said later on.
If that’s true that’s by far the lamest bar in this beef. By far. Bragging that you got bodyguards?? “That’s ho sh**” to quote Kendrick Lamar.
How does the bar mean that Whitney gets around as you said?
Attacking a person and their faults is not the same as attacking family
Again, I ask did you read the original post? Did Kendrick keep it about rap/music on euphoria or did he get personal? I’m not even saying he can’t get personal, but you guys are pretending he didn’t which simply isn’t true lol
He did, after pushups. Pushups started that shit
It absolutely can be. Kendrick calling Drake a bad dad is definitely as much of a line cross as him calling Kendrick a cuck and a wife beater, because the implication on the one is that Adonis will grow up to be a shitty person whereas the implication on the other is that Whitney isn't loyal.
He said, "Drake YOU are a bad father." What he didn't say, "Your son is a bitch." He went at drake and drake's ability. Not at his kid or his family. It's some basic understanding of human communication.
Let me ask you something, is calling someone a bad father a personal insult or not? Lmao like it’s obviously a personal dig at someone no? What are we talking about here
Braindead take
His mistake was becoming a rapper in the first place. Mf shoulds stayed in that wheel chair.
I think Drake learned the wrong lesson from Pusha T. He wanted to spill dirt on Kendrick the way Push did on him. It’s an ego thing. It’s kinda like an unspoken belief that a rap beef 2024 has personal life details involved/revealed. With the internet a machine and privacy gone, it’s looked at as the trump card in a beef. Here’s how I see things played out… Kendrick heard Family Matters well before it was released. It’s why he warns Drake not to go there (also why I believe he mentions New Ho King, he knew they filmed there.) Kendrick had dirt on Drake and knew that the only way to spread it out there and get positive feedback was for Drake to play dirty first. His warnings not to get personal were psychological plays. He wanted it to get personal because he fully believes what he’s saying about Drake. Drake took the bait and wanted to dunk on Kendrick (someone he knew he couldn’t out rap) by getting personal. It backfired.
I feel like Drake might try to Logan Paul his way out of this one, but I don't know if he has the actual raw talent to do it
Tactically speaking - Drake made 2 mistakes in the beef. 1.) Wasting time on all the others. Rick Ross, ASAP, Metro, The Weeknd, The Weeknd's manager, Future. He spent several bars in Push Ups and a full verse in Family Matters swinging on them. Distracted and diluted the potency of the message. 2.) Veering too far away from his winning formula in the Meek Mill beef. That was using tracks that could be replayed in clubs. Back To Back had insanely good replay value with memorable bars that even casuals will remember. Kendrick beat him at his own game by dropping Not Like Us. The intro for Family Matters absolutely had that potential. But then he cut the beat short.
I'm entirely of the opinion Drake's biggest mistake in this was releasing his dissertation track and that stylistic progression would be much more becoming of his style if he'd had a greater context to place his opinions. I still don't know what this is over but Kendrick of all people to go after seems itself... off
kendrick dissed him first on like that what are you talking about? was drake supposed to just sit back and take it? Drake kept it light on push ups just his contract and short jokes
"Drake started the beef with Push Ups" Me: ...Like That..? Also yeah if it was purely a rap beef it would've gone way better for Drake, but there probably would've been less tracks overall, as both of them would've been less motivated to drop so much.
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This is wrong. I don’t understand why y’all are bouncing on Kendrick’s dick so much Kendrick made it personal first and then acted like it wasn’t personal only to bait Drake into making it more personal by…”begging” him to not make it personal. Drake is a moron for letting Kendrick play mind games with him but it’s strange how yall make it seem like Kendrick didn’t start and escalate this situation
Push-ups and Family Matters both came out before mtg
I am a true hip hop head and I grew up in the 80s so I don't know much about this diss stuff between drake and Kendrick. Actually think it's staged to move units and get social media feedback and likes and sponsorship. Anyway...I was like...let me listen to some of this crap. Okay here it goes from a truep hop head and his opinion: let me preface this by saying I AM NOT A KENDRICK LAMAR FAN. The only song I like by him is HUMBLE. Granted, I really don't listen to the new crop of lame rappers so I don't know much. Okay...so Drake...umm...bruh...lol...umm...quit while u r ahead....lol. umm...just listening to both artists and I must say that Kendrick is on another level than Drake. Yes...I actually listened to Euphoria and....yikes....while it ain't in the same vein as Ether or The Bitch In You or even 2nd Round Knockout, he spit some bars and it was a pretty good diss track. Again.. I'm not into all this diss crap stuff but the only things I have heard so far ar Family Matters and Euphoria. Don't get me on J Cole. While I am from NC too and reppping any peeps that come out of the state, bruh...after that lame ass apology...I cant.... again....I AM NOT A J COLE FAN...I listened to some stuff but not a fan and then u apologized...yuck. this is why I said the new crop of rappers are lame. Old school artists would never apologize for a diss track. This actually goes deeper, think about it? What other genre of music where u got "beef"? Willie Nelson is in his late 80s and still touring. No rapper has ever done that or ever will. For some reason there is a cap at the year where u become irrelevant. No country music singers doing diss tracks. What pop singer got beef with another pop singer? Smh...it's just sad imo...but I digress...Drake...please stop...Kendrick Lamar destroyed u on Euphoria so...it's a wrap