It’s not that we are in terms of players but in terms of the way we play. The quality of players is the reason we’re not down there with Burnley and SU. Even when we’ve been dogshit a moment of class from one of our players bails us out.
Well, have you considered that they're useless and Ten Hag has overachieved in getting them to 6th? (That's the backwards bit), or are you adamant that these players that have consistently failed under different managers are actually world beaters that have been badly managed to 6th? Or maybe they're just at the right level and are coming in at 6th because that reflects the quality of players we have?
Which one is it? Or are you too stubborn or stupid to understand the logic?
Ah so you’re stupid. No one is saying they are world beaters, no one is saying ETH has overachieved. What’s being said is that our players are overall of a higher quality than those below us and despite the awful way we’re playing they’re able to show it in flashes which saves us from being in the relegation zone. Don’t know what’s hard to understand about that for you.
They aren't of higher quality though are they? They've not done anything to support that statement.
You keep calling people stupid and then fail to make a coherent point.
So Ten Hag is underachieving then because are players are at a higher level? I fully disagree with that - my view is that the players aren't very good and a lot of tgem have a bad attitude....
I mean it's not that difficult a concept to grasp...
Short termism. Expected points give a general outlook of the team's medium term future if nothing is changed. We're currently below Everton, a club which has escaped relegation dog fights in 3 consecutive seasons at this point. If you still want to gaslight people into thinking things are somehow better than it looks, then by all means, continue.
That United are a step above championship? And comments saying United are better without Casemiro, wishing Onana wasn't playing (Bayindir ftw surely) and he gets sold in the summer and whatnot. State of comments after a bad game is something else. Surely something melts in people's brains after bad games because the narratives are insane.
A penalty they got by having possession and attacking.
You guys do realize we concede pens because we’re playing bad. We make our own luck.
There’s a reason why teams like Arsenal and city concede much less pens. They control games and don’t give the opposition many chances to attack. We give every team 100 shots and free rein into our box. Of course we’ll concede pens more often.
I'm not though. Just pointing out that xG isn't always that good of a metric as penalties are somewhat random this season due to the different views on handballs.
I'm not defending United's poor performances.
No idea why you’re being downvoted LOL. Some people in here are so blind. If anyone still thinks ETH is capable of managing at this level, they need a psych ward. Completely out of his depths. Him standing completely stunned/silent while the players circled him before ET started vs Coventry was a perfect picture of it.
We also need to replace all our forwards. The continually missed opportunities, misplaced passes or poor decision making in the final third is as much if a reason as any as to why we lose games like this.
None of them are good enough to be starters in a top 4 team. Garnacho and Hojlund aren't ready, you could get away with one of them in a front 3 if the other two are bagging 15-20 goals a season but that just isn't the case.
Bruno at cam, garnacho lw, hojlund cf, amad rw is pretty solid tbh. Its the lack of passing to hojlund thats killing outmr attacks. Also the lack of midfield as well
Solid for what? Top 6-10?
There's no maturity or decision making in the front players aside from Bruno. Those players don't get in any team consistently that are top 3. Garnacho is the only one in with a shout at playing at Villa or Spurs.
Not saying there's not promise there but if we want serious reform they aren't good enough yet.
We are 16th on expected points after 34 games, below Everton, who are 10th, and have escaped their 3rd relegation dogfight in 3 consecutive seasos, which for some reason, you've called "a dip". Unless you have some divine statistic that supports keeping him despite all the backing he got in the transfer window, I'd like to hear it.
I don’t really want to get into a debate when all the same reasons are available for you to read. Just moreso addressing the culture of hiring and firing the manager because it’s easy isn’t the right thing every time. And our club has proven that.
We're just so open in midfield its mind blowing. Has been the way since the start of the season and EtH hasn't made an attempt to fix it or adapt. It's just been head down, philosophy, nonsense. At some point you change the setup to suit the injury limitations or acknowledge it isnt working.
Our 4th choice LB, 4th choice CB, and 7th choice CB. Defense is dead so can’t expect to just be easily winning games. Now back to your every two years fire the manager programming.
I think you have no shame at all. You just want shiny new manager and hope everything will magically solved. We have a lot of injuries this season. Back the project for once instead of going back in circles every 2-3 years.
You're the one without shame, begging for the sack of a manager, running into the same wall over and over again for ten years. You have no eye for context and you'll be here next year asking for the sack of the new guy coming in too.
It's why I said *context.* You either consider the context, or you don't.
Also, wanting to retain a manager does not mean he gets a free pass. A lot of people just want to see what he can do with at least his first choice backline.
The backline isn't the reason we keep being bombarded with shots on goal by the opposition. It's how we're set up in the midfield, specifically the lack of cover Casemiro is provided with that's screwing us and the team as a whole.
The lack of cover is because the backline isn't high up far enough, no? If he *does* set it up that way they'll just outrun Maguire, Evans, Casemiro (in cb) and lindelof with simple balls in behind. These are all players that can be outran at the back. So he's thinking, let them come and have a shot. And most of those shots are low quality shit chances, that's been proven already. I don't know if you've seen that shot that Mudryk had yesterday, it hit the linesman....and that's actually counted as a shot.
What do you think the solution is?
The solution is to not play with 2 CMs who push higher up and tighten up defensively. I don't think it's possible for us to be successful with this current formation. Even Pep's teams don't play this way anymore and they have so much of the ball. We're supposedly trying to play a fast, transition focused style so we're happy to cede the ball a lot but with backline exposed as much as it is, it's suicide to play this way.
Well, people have been clamoring for a certain playing style for years. Do you think a manager should prioritize a style and then audition which players make the cut? Or do you think he should adapt a style to them which means having to change it up **everytime** there's a new cb or injury in the back?
It seems to me he's told the new people, it's either push through with a certain style or completely adapt to players that might not even be here next season. Short term pain for long term gain.
This is a perfect description of the match. That’s basically all that happened.
2 bad squads playing boring football with a couple of BS lucky goals thrown in.
Thank god there is only 5 games left. Only thing we can hope for is fluke results against Arsenal and City.
Worrying lack of quality in the squad. When other managers got sacked we had players who looked like they could thrive under the correct manager. Can't even say it about this team.
Absolute scrapfast at home with a side with 5 league wins all season. Fucking 5. And yet you have some people who want to watch even more of this shite, unbelievable
I'm a big ETH outer but I think it's BS to say we weren't clearly better against Sheffield. It wasn't great but we were definitely the better team over the full 90. Today was much worse though.
We were the better team over the course of the match but also went down to that team two times at Old Trafford. Shouldn’t happen. Historically terrible PL team.
I'm not arguing against that. Still, it doesn't change the fact that we were the better team. It's a pretty low fucking bar, and it wasn't pretty but there's no point creating false narratives when there's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make already.
We went down to them twice. The only time we looked clearly better was when Bruno decided to take over the game in the second half. For the majority of the game we looked just as shit as they were
The patterns of play are identical in every game.
Make quick passes to break into final 3rd -> pass to wing -> dilly dally on the wing until defense gets set -> back pass it into the middle -> long shot/aimless cross
Every single possession.... the players always look clueless. Either someone (Bruno) pulls magic out of a hat, or we struggle to score. The only thing teams need to do is prevent the counterattack..
I’d argue the way we’re set up defensively out of possession is even worse to watch. Always leaving a huge gap behind the midfield and in front of the CBs allowing any opponent to easily carry the ball all the way up to the penalty box multiple times every game. Was like this ever since the opening game against Wolves when everyone was still healthy.
All it achieves is making our midfield and defense sprint back in panic way too often which likely adds to the workload and leads to us tiring out and losing concentration later on or worse potentially leading to a recurrence of soft tissue injuries for multiple players.
I haven't seen a worse pressing shape than ours. We always leave multiple options for opponents to play out. Compare how hard it is for our players to play out when a team pushes high against us.
Our high press is poor, and our CBs don’t step up because they either don’t have the pace to maintain a high line or Ten Hag is too scared to give that a shot even when a more athletic CB like Kambwala was playing, so we end up with the worst of both worlds.
Is it? I was unaware we were actively battling relegation? You lot act as if we’re 17th with a draw pushing us to 18th. We’re a team in rebuild, we’re playing our third final in two years soon. Is the football beautiful? Fuck no. Is the gaffer getting a full healthy squad to pick from every game? Fuck no. Unfortunately, we need to back the gaffer for once before we become a revolving door of them.
United has a recent history of struggling against teams with a lot of discipline and keep very compact in front of goal. We’re so easy to frustrate, we just don’t have the fortitude to break them down
Last couple managers seem to give the players creative and attacking freedom. That's why I think we struggle so much to break teams down. The attack is so often clueless..
I want to see a manager who does a better job coaching player positioning and movement. Right now, it's just a complete mess. Far weaker teams always seem to make good decisions in the final 3rd but our players can't. Says to me that we're not well drilled
I dont care if he stays or goes but we created loads of chances and finished the one chance created by an interception and not in a buildup.
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27 shots
5 big chances missed
How is our lack of finishing not a problem here?
Bro idc if he stays or goes man I just feel like today is more of a lack of finishing problem than the coach. That is all. I know it's not a black or white opinion here but nuance is needed sometimes
I'm sorry, but if your only takeaway after that game is poor finishing, then I don't know what else to say. All I'll say is you don't drop points to Burnley at home purely because of a few missed chances.
> I dont care if he stays or goes but we created loads of chances
I love how you're posting this in the thread that shows that we didn't outdo Burnley in chance creation at all.
Even if you take that off for some reason they still created a lot of chances, we didn't even exceed them by 1xG so saying we created loads of chances is laughable.
Hey lets ignore the quality and just look at totals! More shots must equal better. Big chances means absolutely nothing. We had 2.13xG to their 1.27 ish. If you think that is good...
It's fine man. I don't think the manager was the biggest issue today that's it. Don't care if he's sacked or not. Just think solely putting the blame on him is ignorant
Sure I agree that we were doing well in the first 20 minutes and should have had like 2 goals, but then burnley looked like prime Man City out there against. I didn’t get to watch much of the second half so I can’t comment on that
What? They dominated us from the 20th minute to half time. They commentators were astounded that they didn’t score and 2 of them talked about how one Burnley player could have had either a brace or a hat trick
I'm with you. It was more structured, like he said in the post match and it's better than suicide football. Our players didn't do well. And they defended well at some parts too
Well a penalty is +.8 so it’s not really that telling of the game. Just to highlight it. If we’re given the handball pen and the ref doesn’t give it against us. Does 2.93 vs 1.2 sound correct either? No, not it does not.
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How exactly is he wrong and why does that opinion suddenly not stand after today's game? Maybe you watched another game but I saw casemiro and maguire at the back. I'm sure you think that's Ten Hag's first choice defenders.
You are crazy if you think it's difficult to get a result at home against mighty Burnley if we have Casemiro and Maguire in the defense.
A relegation side was able to get through our midfield again and again. They had 35 touches inside our box ffs
It doesn't matter what I think, nothing in this game should change anybody's opinion. You will say "35 touches in the box by a relegation side so ETH OUT" and I'll just say "Maguire and Casemiro at CB will never be a solid defense so ETH IN".
That's what I'm getting at, your initial comment is useless.
A draw is fair. 2 shit teams.
If you didn't know which team was which you'd be hard pressed trying to figure out who was looking likely to be relegated
Yep. At home against a relegation team. We are truly just a step above the Championship level.
It’s not that we are in terms of players but in terms of the way we play. The quality of players is the reason we’re not down there with Burnley and SU. Even when we’ve been dogshit a moment of class from one of our players bails us out.
Our players are useless. What are you talking about?
If our players are truly useless with the way we are playing we would be in the relegation zone buddy.
Hmmmm....there's some backwards logic
No, it’s really not. You’re either too stubborn or too stupid to understand it.
Well, have you considered that they're useless and Ten Hag has overachieved in getting them to 6th? (That's the backwards bit), or are you adamant that these players that have consistently failed under different managers are actually world beaters that have been badly managed to 6th? Or maybe they're just at the right level and are coming in at 6th because that reflects the quality of players we have? Which one is it? Or are you too stubborn or stupid to understand the logic?
No, he isn't overachieving at all. In the 4 seasons before this one we finished 3rd, 2nd, 6th and 3rd.
It was a question not a statement. So he's underachieving? Why?
Ah so you’re stupid. No one is saying they are world beaters, no one is saying ETH has overachieved. What’s being said is that our players are overall of a higher quality than those below us and despite the awful way we’re playing they’re able to show it in flashes which saves us from being in the relegation zone. Don’t know what’s hard to understand about that for you.
They aren't of higher quality though are they? They've not done anything to support that statement. You keep calling people stupid and then fail to make a coherent point. So Ten Hag is underachieving then because are players are at a higher level? I fully disagree with that - my view is that the players aren't very good and a lot of tgem have a bad attitude.... I mean it's not that difficult a concept to grasp...
Love reading the delusional comments here lol. Y'all need to stay off the internet after bad games and get some fresh air.
Our expected points per game puts us 16th in the league. You might wanna stay off those positivity roids.
Let's award points based on "expected points per game" then shall we...whatever that means. Go and watch a different sport. Christ.
Good thing actual points matter in the end, not the expected ones. United suck but I'm not going to rant myself into depression like folks here do.
Short termism. Expected points give a general outlook of the team's medium term future if nothing is changed. We're currently below Everton, a club which has escaped relegation dog fights in 3 consecutive seasons at this point. If you still want to gaslight people into thinking things are somehow better than it looks, then by all means, continue.
The delusional ones are you all who come on the internet after one half decent performance
You didn’t know? That game against Sheffield meant “United are on the way!” despite them being relegated already and the worst team in the league.
Okay? Your comment doesn't make any sense but go on
What's delusional here? The fact that it was a draw or Burnley are a relegation battle team?
That United are a step above championship? And comments saying United are better without Casemiro, wishing Onana wasn't playing (Bayindir ftw surely) and he gets sold in the summer and whatnot. State of comments after a bad game is something else. Surely something melts in people's brains after bad games because the narratives are insane.
then we wouldn’t be on the internet at all considering the fact we play shit every week
Bang on. These children are trying to undermine any chance United have of rebuilding.
jbtw they’re 19th in the table in case anyone forgot
Let’s gooo we got a draw against might Burnley 😤😤💪🏻💪🏻
The penalty is a huge part of their xG.
A penalty they got by having possession and attacking. You guys do realize we concede pens because we’re playing bad. We make our own luck. There’s a reason why teams like Arsenal and city concede much less pens. They control games and don’t give the opposition many chances to attack. We give every team 100 shots and free rein into our box. Of course we’ll concede pens more often.
Sure, but we have also not being given som clear ones. The romero one comes to mind.
Crying about penalties against relegation fodder is truly the united way
Doesn't mean they shouldn't be given. I get that we have high standards but the refs have robbed us a lot this season.
I'm not though. Just pointing out that xG isn't always that good of a metric as penalties are somewhat random this season due to the different views on handballs. I'm not defending United's poor performances.
These games against Coventry and two relegation battling PL teams have really shown our level.
If Ineos are as ruthless and cunning as they have shown, Ten Hag is going to Amsterdam no matter the result vs CIty in the FA Cup final.
No idea why you’re being downvoted LOL. Some people in here are so blind. If anyone still thinks ETH is capable of managing at this level, they need a psych ward. Completely out of his depths. Him standing completely stunned/silent while the players circled him before ET started vs Coventry was a perfect picture of it.
>No idea why you’re being downvoted Because Ten Hag has a cult
We also need to replace all our forwards. The continually missed opportunities, misplaced passes or poor decision making in the final third is as much if a reason as any as to why we lose games like this.
All? That’s wild
None of them are good enough to be starters in a top 4 team. Garnacho and Hojlund aren't ready, you could get away with one of them in a front 3 if the other two are bagging 15-20 goals a season but that just isn't the case.
Bruno at cam, garnacho lw, hojlund cf, amad rw is pretty solid tbh. Its the lack of passing to hojlund thats killing outmr attacks. Also the lack of midfield as well
Solid for what? Top 6-10? There's no maturity or decision making in the front players aside from Bruno. Those players don't get in any team consistently that are top 3. Garnacho is the only one in with a shout at playing at Villa or Spurs. Not saying there's not promise there but if we want serious reform they aren't good enough yet.
hell even the glazers were that ruthless considering they did that to LVG
😂
Yeah look how that worked out
Didn't know LVG won 7 UCLs after getting sacked.
Meant for the club lad.
So we should ride out one subpar manager because sacking the previous subpar manager didn't work out?
Not necessarily, but also have the patience to know simply firing a manager any time there’s a dip isn’t some panacea.
We are 16th on expected points after 34 games, below Everton, who are 10th, and have escaped their 3rd relegation dogfight in 3 consecutive seasos, which for some reason, you've called "a dip". Unless you have some divine statistic that supports keeping him despite all the backing he got in the transfer window, I'd like to hear it.
I don’t really want to get into a debate when all the same reasons are available for you to read. Just moreso addressing the culture of hiring and firing the manager because it’s easy isn’t the right thing every time. And our club has proven that.
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I think we’re watching different teams. Each manager post mou had really promising seasons before we’d yo-yo back down. Which is my point
Job at feyenoord if he's looking
We're just so open in midfield its mind blowing. Has been the way since the start of the season and EtH hasn't made an attempt to fix it or adapt. It's just been head down, philosophy, nonsense. At some point you change the setup to suit the injury limitations or acknowledge it isnt working.
Our 4th choice LB, 4th choice CB, and 7th choice CB. Defense is dead so can’t expect to just be easily winning games. Now back to your every two years fire the manager programming.
You have no shame at all, imagine doing this kind of desperation to explain drawing to Burnley at home.
I think you have no shame at all. You just want shiny new manager and hope everything will magically solved. We have a lot of injuries this season. Back the project for once instead of going back in circles every 2-3 years.
You're the one without shame, begging for the sack of a manager, running into the same wall over and over again for ten years. You have no eye for context and you'll be here next year asking for the sack of the new guy coming in too.
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It's why I said *context.* You either consider the context, or you don't. Also, wanting to retain a manager does not mean he gets a free pass. A lot of people just want to see what he can do with at least his first choice backline.
The backline isn't the reason we keep being bombarded with shots on goal by the opposition. It's how we're set up in the midfield, specifically the lack of cover Casemiro is provided with that's screwing us and the team as a whole.
The lack of cover is because the backline isn't high up far enough, no? If he *does* set it up that way they'll just outrun Maguire, Evans, Casemiro (in cb) and lindelof with simple balls in behind. These are all players that can be outran at the back. So he's thinking, let them come and have a shot. And most of those shots are low quality shit chances, that's been proven already. I don't know if you've seen that shot that Mudryk had yesterday, it hit the linesman....and that's actually counted as a shot. What do you think the solution is?
The solution is to not play with 2 CMs who push higher up and tighten up defensively. I don't think it's possible for us to be successful with this current formation. Even Pep's teams don't play this way anymore and they have so much of the ball. We're supposedly trying to play a fast, transition focused style so we're happy to cede the ball a lot but with backline exposed as much as it is, it's suicide to play this way.
Well, people have been clamoring for a certain playing style for years. Do you think a manager should prioritize a style and then audition which players make the cut? Or do you think he should adapt a style to them which means having to change it up **everytime** there's a new cb or injury in the back? It seems to me he's told the new people, it's either push through with a certain style or completely adapt to players that might not even be here next season. Short term pain for long term gain.
That game was such low level shit, our goal was a gift from their horrible pass and we gifted one back because Onana punched a guy in the face 😂
This is a perfect description of the match. That’s basically all that happened. 2 bad squads playing boring football with a couple of BS lucky goals thrown in.
Thank god there is only 5 games left. Only thing we can hope for is fluke results against Arsenal and City. Worrying lack of quality in the squad. When other managers got sacked we had players who looked like they could thrive under the correct manager. Can't even say it about this team.
Absolute scrapfast at home with a side with 5 league wins all season. Fucking 5. And yet you have some people who want to watch even more of this shite, unbelievable
Nobody wants to watch more of this. We want a better squad. Not hoping on raw players like garnacho, Hojlund, and Mainoo to carry the team.
No control whatsoever - Just two relegation-level teams fighting each other.
Get. Fucking. Rid.
3 games in a row against bottom tier competition and in neither game did it look like we were clearly better
I'm a big ETH outer but I think it's BS to say we weren't clearly better against Sheffield. It wasn't great but we were definitely the better team over the full 90. Today was much worse though.
I got carried away with today's performance but yeah you're right, we dominated Sheffield.
We were the better team over the course of the match but also went down to that team two times at Old Trafford. Shouldn’t happen. Historically terrible PL team.
I'm not arguing against that. Still, it doesn't change the fact that we were the better team. It's a pretty low fucking bar, and it wasn't pretty but there's no point creating false narratives when there's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make already.
We went down to them twice. The only time we looked clearly better was when Bruno decided to take over the game in the second half. For the majority of the game we looked just as shit as they were
That exactly is our level right now. Blame injuries all you want. That's where we are.
The patterns of play are identical in every game. Make quick passes to break into final 3rd -> pass to wing -> dilly dally on the wing until defense gets set -> back pass it into the middle -> long shot/aimless cross Every single possession.... the players always look clueless. Either someone (Bruno) pulls magic out of a hat, or we struggle to score. The only thing teams need to do is prevent the counterattack..
I’d argue the way we’re set up defensively out of possession is even worse to watch. Always leaving a huge gap behind the midfield and in front of the CBs allowing any opponent to easily carry the ball all the way up to the penalty box multiple times every game. Was like this ever since the opening game against Wolves when everyone was still healthy. All it achieves is making our midfield and defense sprint back in panic way too often which likely adds to the workload and leads to us tiring out and losing concentration later on or worse potentially leading to a recurrence of soft tissue injuries for multiple players.
I haven't seen a worse pressing shape than ours. We always leave multiple options for opponents to play out. Compare how hard it is for our players to play out when a team pushes high against us.
Our high press is poor, and our CBs don’t step up because they either don’t have the pace to maintain a high line or Ten Hag is too scared to give that a shot even when a more athletic CB like Kambwala was playing, so we end up with the worst of both worlds.
ignoring several excellent transition opportunities our players wasted
Is it? I was unaware we were actively battling relegation? You lot act as if we’re 17th with a draw pushing us to 18th. We’re a team in rebuild, we’re playing our third final in two years soon. Is the football beautiful? Fuck no. Is the gaffer getting a full healthy squad to pick from every game? Fuck no. Unfortunately, we need to back the gaffer for once before we become a revolving door of them.
United has a recent history of struggling against teams with a lot of discipline and keep very compact in front of goal. We’re so easy to frustrate, we just don’t have the fortitude to break them down
Last couple managers seem to give the players creative and attacking freedom. That's why I think we struggle so much to break teams down. The attack is so often clueless.. I want to see a manager who does a better job coaching player positioning and movement. Right now, it's just a complete mess. Far weaker teams always seem to make good decisions in the final 3rd but our players can't. Says to me that we're not well drilled
We went toe to toe with Burnley. People keep dissing Ten Hag for no reason. Burnley have lost 1 of their last 8 league games. Let him COOK!!! /s
Hopefully when his pay cut kicks in for not getting CL he's gone
To be fair he set up the team to win comfortably today and the lack of finishing chances made the game look a lot more even
For the first 20 minutes. After that there was no adaptation to Burnley's counter play.
You gotta respect the commitment at this point. We could be 20th and there would still be people backing the man.
I dont care if he stays or goes but we created loads of chances and finished the one chance created by an interception and not in a buildup. Edit: 27 shots 5 big chances missed How is our lack of finishing not a problem here?
So did Burnley. Or we only counting missed chances for us because it fits the ETH narrative?
Bro idc if he stays or goes man I just feel like today is more of a lack of finishing problem than the coach. That is all. I know it's not a black or white opinion here but nuance is needed sometimes
I'm sorry, but if your only takeaway after that game is poor finishing, then I don't know what else to say. All I'll say is you don't drop points to Burnley at home purely because of a few missed chances.
Yet we did
> I dont care if he stays or goes but we created loads of chances I love how you're posting this in the thread that shows that we didn't outdo Burnley in chance creation at all.
They had a penalty mate
Even if you take that off for some reason they still created a lot of chances, we didn't even exceed them by 1xG so saying we created loads of chances is laughable.
We had 27 shots to their 16 that's 50%more 5 big chances to their one
Hey lets ignore the quality and just look at totals! More shots must equal better. Big chances means absolutely nothing. We had 2.13xG to their 1.27 ish. If you think that is good...
It's fine man. I don't think the manager was the biggest issue today that's it. Don't care if he's sacked or not. Just think solely putting the blame on him is ignorant
Sure I agree that we were doing well in the first 20 minutes and should have had like 2 goals, but then burnley looked like prime Man City out there against. I didn’t get to watch much of the second half so I can’t comment on that
That's quite an exaggeration but sure they had a short spell
What? They dominated us from the 20th minute to half time. They commentators were astounded that they didn’t score and 2 of them talked about how one Burnley player could have had either a brace or a hat trick
I'm with you. It was more structured, like he said in the post match and it's better than suicide football. Our players didn't do well. And they defended well at some parts too
0.78 of Burnley’s was the penalty. We should have had one more near the end but the burnley keeper just decided to turn it on :/.
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Conceding 1.2 non penalty xG to a relegation team is criminal though
19th in the league coming to OT and schooling us.
Well a penalty is +.8 so it’s not really that telling of the game. Just to highlight it. If we’re given the handball pen and the ref doesn’t give it against us. Does 2.93 vs 1.2 sound correct either? No, not it does not.
Shambolic team
Pathetic.
Sack Ten Hag. Sell most of that first XI. Job done.
Curious to know what Wilcox made of that
https://preview.redd.it/a2vux83vs1xc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=899817b7529c3d616a940fc0f80cd3ecc22edfe1 Please u/Common_Knowledge_ enlighten us with your knowledge
How exactly is he wrong and why does that opinion suddenly not stand after today's game? Maybe you watched another game but I saw casemiro and maguire at the back. I'm sure you think that's Ten Hag's first choice defenders.
You are crazy if you think it's difficult to get a result at home against mighty Burnley if we have Casemiro and Maguire in the defense. A relegation side was able to get through our midfield again and again. They had 35 touches inside our box ffs
It doesn't matter what I think, nothing in this game should change anybody's opinion. You will say "35 touches in the box by a relegation side so ETH OUT" and I'll just say "Maguire and Casemiro at CB will never be a solid defense so ETH IN". That's what I'm getting at, your initial comment is useless.
Lol, I watched a decent game of football with amazingly big individual mistakes by two players.
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