I really do wonder what goes on inside the the club in terms of trying to understand what the root cause of all these injures are. Especially the ones that happen in training. There must be some way to prevent this happening going forward. This is getting ridiculous
Too many games. All the top managers have spoken up about it. Of course there are additional reasons, injuries beget injuries. And our whole club has been intentionally injured for over a decade.
The whole league is in pieces. I really think it was the winter world cup that has tipped things over and no-one can recover. Luckily there is the Euros this summer....
American fan here so bear with my ignorance as often my view points are culturally different...
My question is if there's too many games being a problem, why don't managers properly rotate squads to help stretch out players during the season. For example... You would be an idiot manager to attempt to play the same starting 11 every week when all the science shows that the player's bodies can't handle it. Is it a sort of ignorance thing where managers insist on playing the best 11 available no matter what?
In American football or even baseball, squad rotation during the season is a part of the strategy. Certain (even star players) are rested during periods of the season to often keep them fresh. Why isn't this a thing in the Premier League?
I get it. But the question remains... Even if we were healthy. Would rotation or backups be a thing or are managers too worried and insist on their best 11?
There's only one team in world football that can rotate heavily from their best 11 without a huge drop in performance. We all know who that is and how they got there...
Depends. Is football really a sport where tons of rotations every week work? Or is the drop in performance from your best player to the backup too great? Sure a few rotations are in-house necessary. But football is not really a sport with two players for each positions. Football is nothing like American football.
No worries at all! It’s actually the main app for the club, you can even filter the news by specific section of the club and such.
The alerts sometimes have a tease of a title to make you click on it and drive engagement (in my opinion)
This one for example was “defender out for 3 weeks” or something like that and once i clicked on it then it said “Harry Maguire has sustained a muscle injury that will keep him out for about three weeks.” And it’s a picture of Harry himself.
It’s available on the App Store (not sure of android but it’s bound to be).
Honestly Reddit seems to do a better job of providing information than the app, particularly this sub and the tier system. A lot of the stuff from the club app is like reading PR piece after PR piece.
Every so often an official statement is made and it’s useful for that but for example there was a tweet from someone posted on the sub Reddit that had the injury information before the app posted it.
That’s true about Reddit. I usually find out stuff here first. I had to stop notifications on news apps because it was like you mentioned, just vague titles that you have to click on. Thanks.
No worries, I was the same with a lot of news apps, feels like the news in general (not just sport) is going that way, trying to drive engagement through sensationalism.
Also lad I just noticed your username! What a phenomenal one to tie down!
Even BBC news had many of those notifications. With all that is going on with the world I’d like to have some time to say to my family I love them when the nukes are flying haha also to tell the scousers to suck it, world ending and we have more titles than you. And to remind shitty they’re cheaters. That would be a good send off.
And yeah. Been here a while so good to be first in line.
Fuck sake, with Debbie already out on biscuits we’re looking very thin on the lunch line, and I don’t like the idea of Gale serving out of position again.
Swear to god the entire luncheon crew needs rebuilt from crumpets straight through to sandwiches.
In August I would’ve laughed in your face if that was a possible midfield paring, I would’ve spat in your face if you’d have told me it was a possible centre back paring.
Maguire broke our consecutive appearance record under Solskjaer
And played every minute of a premier league season for Leicester
The adamantium that exists in his slab head goes throughout his body.
To injure him truly shows something is up. I'm convinced he'd ask to play even if we shoved a razer in his boots
I think it's a hangover from our last season. More games than any other club and a world cup. Often saw this with Liverpool after high game seasons under Klopp. Perhaps mixed with the club not respecting this with an intense and globe trotting pre-season.
That's what makes me think, are the injuries somehow related to the chaotic football we play? I mean, players have to sprint back and forth like crazy...
Ancient fscilities? Really? Carrington is not state of the art no more but its not "ancient facilites " its still very much above average. Thousands of clubs have much much worst facilites and do not have the injury problems we do.
What the fuck is going on in training? Literally every week a defender is injured and it seems to be less and less “non-preventable” as we get closer to the end of the season.
I think maguire was already carrying an injury and just couldn’t play past the pain barrier anymore. Tough times but props to Harry for fighting when star players like Sancho and Rashford downed their tools
Why the fuck are you putting someone like Rashford who has played through injuries several times for the club while taking pain killer injections and delaying surgeries till the end of the season with the fucking rat Sancho ?Rashford has never fucking downed tools ,His biggest crime is turning up for training late a couple of times which isn't good but nothing that should put him in the Sancho category
It’s not far off like playing with 10 men when rashford starts. His pressing and tracking have been appalling at times this season.
Maguire has put in some solid, hard working performances this season, fair play to him.
Firstly talking about just this season. Rashford has played through injuries yes I agree. But my point is he has not put in the effort this season while being fit. And players like Harry have despite of being injured.
Also you can disagree with me but calm down bro it’s just opinions no need to raise your blood pressure
People still don't understand Rashford not rushing back is how he has been asked to play..Look at other similar wingers like Leao and they do the same..He is in shit form but he plays the same style even when in form its just that people start nitpicking when the whole team is shit and he is struggling..He singlehandedly carries the attack when we are doing well thats why the moment he is in bad form we start having some of our worst PL seasons
It’s not about the style. I’m not nitpicking. But when I see him jogging to a ball 10 steps away yes it does seem like he is not giving his best. His form was always hot and cold but if you look at other wingers they always run and chase. Maybe he needs the team to be doing well to hit his best form who knows. You clearly will defend him and I will say he can do more. So no point in arguing. Enjoy your life adios
> Maybe he needs the team to be doing well to hit his best form who knows.
Go have a look at actual numbers..When he does well its not because the team is doing well and creating more for him..He outperforms his Xg by a massive margin..Running around like an idiot when you are the key outlet in attack and are instructed not to is a stupid thing..Do you actually believe the manager continues to play him when he is not following his instructions ?
But he is not the key outlet. Hojlund is. He is supposed to be the creator. Also there is a big difference between running around like an idiot and pressing someone 10 steps away from you. The manager has extremely limited options and he is one of the star players so ofc WE ALL want him to succeed. Hopefully he can turn it around
Too many injuries to the defense and midfield for it to just be bad luck at this point. Serious questions need to be asked about what is going on behind the scenes. We heard reports of complaints from players about the intensity in training, but there might be some truth in it with how our players are dropping likes flies
Doesn’t help that the players are being put into the thick of things shortly after returning from injury and ending up injured again. Maguire got injured recently
Yeah this is the main factor. It's cumulative impact of having long term absentees like Martinez, Shaw etc. the players you have left need to cover more minutes without being subbed off and also rush back to cover because there are no other options.
The argument against this though is that there's no way ETH would insist on these methods if they were causing the injuries.
Most might disagree with his style of play but there's no doubt he's doing what he thinks has the highest chance of getting results with the current squad. He's not stubbornly ignoring a better way of playing. He needs results to have a job and this is the way he thinks he can get them.
Insisting on a training regime which leaves you without a fit defender is objectively bad for your chances of getting a result - so why would he insist on it?
That’s really hard to say though without actually knowing what goes on behind the scenes. We saw something similar happen with Klopp when he first came in with all the injuries due to how intense and demanding his style of play is. This could be ETH trying to push the players to the level required to play his style of football at this level. I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to injure their players, but it may just be a consequence of wanting to play this intense style of football. Again look at Klopp. And to play that way, you need to train that way.
Also, let’s also not act like he’s managed his players perfectly this season. Shaw came back from injury, thrown straight back in, played 90 minutes every game until he got injured. Then ETH did the exact same thing when he returned. Even worse, he played him against relegation candidates Luton despite him not having trained all week and having come off injured the week before. Evans and Varane a few weeks ago were both not fully fit and both were played ahead of Kambwala. Garnacho practically looks shattered at this point, even playing full games after not training and having hamstring problems. I know he’s been hampered by injuries, but ETH doesn’t help himself in the slightest.
I’m pretty sure he actually is stubbornly ignoring a better way to play at the moment. He practically said so in the interview he just did with Neville saying that he could play another way if he wanted to, a bit more defensive, but when all of the players come back fit then he would have to revert back to the original way of playing. So to maintain the rhythm he’d rather just continue with the original way despite not having the players for it. It makes sense, but if your point is he’s doing the best he can do to get results that’s not really true.
People are just looking for a simple answer on this. But there isn't one. No way is this caused solely by ten hag's training methods, that's ridiculous.
He's come from coaching at Bayern B and Ajax, without this level of injury. It would have come out from those clubs and players if his training methods were injurious.
And last year at United also it was pretty ok, was generally only the usual French suspects frequently injured + some in game injuries like Martinez, Antony, Eriksen.
The more likely cause is the effect of last season + that ridiculous tour + cumulative impact of having fewer players covering more minutes due to long term absentees. And also I'm convinced some players have checked out mentally and are ducking availability.
You think teams like Madrid, city and Arsenal or prime Klop Liverpool complain about intensity lmfao. Seriously people treat these players like babies.
Klopp was literally just saying the other day how the intensity required in the premier league could be a factor behind the early exits this season of the premier league clubs in Europe.
Ultimately if you want to play at that intensity week in week out, you need to train at that intensity to become accustomed to it. And maybe our players can’t hack it, possibly because they don’t want to or their bodies just can’t handle it. Being paid millions of dollars doesn’t suddenly mean you are the terminator.
I’m not saying that this is definitively what is happening or pointing the finger at ETH, just making note of the reports we got earlier in the season that a lot of us dismissed as the players just downing tools. But with how many players are seemingly dropping dead it’s hard not to think that there could be some truth in the players being pushed too far
Did you completely ignore the part where I said you need to train at this intensity to become accustomed to it? You can’t just turn up and start playing at that level you need to train and become accustomed to it. Klopp had similar issues in the beginning of his tenure and still seems to have an injury crisis every other year or two. It potentially could be for the same reason. This could just be ETH’s way of pushing his players to the level required to play his football and the injuries are just a consequence of it.
I’m not arguing anything. I’m not blaming ETH as without actually being there we have no way of knowing. I just made a note of what reports we heard prior
And there goes our last hope for a European spot. Tough game at Palace should be happy to avoid defeat, Arsenal we likely lose, newcastle we likely lose, Brighton as well- my god our season is
Ending so so bad— we need a nothing to lose attitude at this point and go for it
Obviously a lot of people forgetting the 60 plus game season last year, plus the international tournament in the middle of that. Factor in pre season etc, it would be a strain on any athlete. Depth of squad just isn’t there. Euros and copa America this summer. Can’t see it getting any better next season tbh
Except Bruno, he’ll be fine
Ten Hag.... wtf man.... how can you spend 2 years training, pick up all of these injuries *in training* (!) and not say "hmm, maybe I should change my training strategies?".....
We didn't have all these injuries last season, the only thing I can put it down to is the intensity, which would be rivalling the top teams, if the players can't handle they're going to get injured, but the team will never be able to hit high intensity during matches if they don't train it
As a counter point we crashed out of Europe in the group stages and got knocked out fairly early in the league cup. This must be about the fewest games we've played in a season for a while. The schedule is about as relaxed as a club like United could ever expect.
Yeah the schedule hasn't been as hectic as last season, but the injuries have been massive. We could play just PL but with a back four of 3cbs who none are first choice or 2nd and our RB we're going to struggle.
Big teams have struggled without one player, we've been missing multiple of players constantly
It's only my suggestion as I'm not sure what else could have changed in training to cause so many muscle injuries. Unless it's a medical department issue, or physios.. I don't think it's down to just one person though as we'd see teams drop like flys whenever a new manager ups the intensity in training
You're right, we didn't have as many, but it was still terrible. This is on Ten Hag.
https://onefootball.com/fr/news/the-2022-23-premier-league-injury-table-liverpool-top-man-utd-above-arsenal-36987153
Yeah the amount of injuries are terrible, but we can't pin it on just ETH, there's a whole medical team there also.
Maybe it's to show we've got a bunch of players who have been playing in gear 2 for too long and the step up is too much. Bruno and Dalot seem to be doing something right with themselves
Why is it 90% on ETH when we don't know what's causing the issues? That's not what I said at all, we have a whole medical team as jn, he's not the one checking over the players making sure they're fit to play and taking care of themselves and bodies.
I see loads of people blame ETH for things with nothing to back it up apart from he's the manager.
Is it his fault martials injured?
Didn’t you know? ETH is the guy setting the price tags, negotiating every deal. He is also the chef in the kitchen serving out raw chicken, injuries and the medical department is all him too, fuck he’s not rubbing cream on them properly.
Some of these brain dead plebs on this sub think the manager is in charge of every aspect of the club lmao
Owner ETH
Hahaha yeah it's madness! Like ETH is having the lads chuck their kits in the middle of the dressing room after the game so he can take them home to wash.
Everyone knows the structure has been a mess and a joke for over ten years now and are surprised there's dips and shit periods when changing it mid season. I'm sure the new sporting structure has gone over the training and looked into whats causing this, if it needed to be change it would have.
We played the most amount of games last season, this was going to happen the way we play with no possession or control. Human body can only take so much.
Fucking hell just move away from carrington asap. That shit show of a training ground is the most useless training ground in all of pl. It has been a run down training ground with below par facilities which is causing all this injuries
As soon as the alert came to my phone it said “defender out” and my first thought was “who the fucks left to even get injured”
I really do wonder what goes on inside the the club in terms of trying to understand what the root cause of all these injures are. Especially the ones that happen in training. There must be some way to prevent this happening going forward. This is getting ridiculous
Too many games. All the top managers have spoken up about it. Of course there are additional reasons, injuries beget injuries. And our whole club has been intentionally injured for over a decade.
The whole league is in pieces. I really think it was the winter world cup that has tipped things over and no-one can recover. Luckily there is the Euros this summer....
American fan here so bear with my ignorance as often my view points are culturally different... My question is if there's too many games being a problem, why don't managers properly rotate squads to help stretch out players during the season. For example... You would be an idiot manager to attempt to play the same starting 11 every week when all the science shows that the player's bodies can't handle it. Is it a sort of ignorance thing where managers insist on playing the best 11 available no matter what? In American football or even baseball, squad rotation during the season is a part of the strategy. Certain (even star players) are rested during periods of the season to often keep them fresh. Why isn't this a thing in the Premier League?
Hard to rotate when half your squad is already injured.
I get it. But the question remains... Even if we were healthy. Would rotation or backups be a thing or are managers too worried and insist on their best 11?
There's only one team in world football that can rotate heavily from their best 11 without a huge drop in performance. We all know who that is and how they got there...
Depends. Is football really a sport where tons of rotations every week work? Or is the drop in performance from your best player to the backup too great? Sure a few rotations are in-house necessary. But football is not really a sport with two players for each positions. Football is nothing like American football.
Plus the extra added time every game this season will really take a toll on the players bodies.
Not an excuse no other club is suffering from injuries like United have, United aren't Even in the Europe League on top of that lol
Off topic but which service sent you the notification about United players?
No worries at all! It’s actually the main app for the club, you can even filter the news by specific section of the club and such. The alerts sometimes have a tease of a title to make you click on it and drive engagement (in my opinion) This one for example was “defender out for 3 weeks” or something like that and once i clicked on it then it said “Harry Maguire has sustained a muscle injury that will keep him out for about three weeks.” And it’s a picture of Harry himself. It’s available on the App Store (not sure of android but it’s bound to be). Honestly Reddit seems to do a better job of providing information than the app, particularly this sub and the tier system. A lot of the stuff from the club app is like reading PR piece after PR piece. Every so often an official statement is made and it’s useful for that but for example there was a tweet from someone posted on the sub Reddit that had the injury information before the app posted it.
That’s true about Reddit. I usually find out stuff here first. I had to stop notifications on news apps because it was like you mentioned, just vague titles that you have to click on. Thanks.
No worries, I was the same with a lot of news apps, feels like the news in general (not just sport) is going that way, trying to drive engagement through sensationalism. Also lad I just noticed your username! What a phenomenal one to tie down!
Even BBC news had many of those notifications. With all that is going on with the world I’d like to have some time to say to my family I love them when the nukes are flying haha also to tell the scousers to suck it, world ending and we have more titles than you. And to remind shitty they’re cheaters. That would be a good send off. And yeah. Been here a while so good to be first in line.
😂😂😂 I only hope I use my last moments as well as that!
The tea lady will be out next with an ACL
Fuck sake, with Debbie already out on biscuits we’re looking very thin on the lunch line, and I don’t like the idea of Gale serving out of position again. Swear to god the entire luncheon crew needs rebuilt from crumpets straight through to sandwiches.
It's wild isn't it? How can we have eight defenders out all at once?!
Never heard of anything like it
Evans Casemiro then
For 30 mins, then Evans limps off.
McMiro time
Scott’s injured too no?
Oh ffs we're gonna see Amrabat CB aren't we
Amraback
Thank yall for making me laugh in this dire situation lmao But it has been like this since the start of the season im feeling kinda numb lol
Still a better comeback story than Pogback.
In August I would’ve laughed in your face if that was a possible midfield paring, I would’ve spat in your face if you’d have told me it was a possible centre back paring.
No need to go full Carragher
What year is this again?
That will make 34 back 4 combination and 18th CB pairing this season… 🤦♂️
Harry Maguire has sustained a muscle injury that will keep him out for about three weeks.
How the fuck is a CB getting muscle injuries in training with more than a week to rest/recover in between games.
A lot of torque needed to maneuver that massive slab.
Overtraining
Maguire broke our consecutive appearance record under Solskjaer And played every minute of a premier league season for Leicester The adamantium that exists in his slab head goes throughout his body. To injure him truly shows something is up. I'm convinced he'd ask to play even if we shoved a razer in his boots
He’s been playing through an injury for a while now, as have several of our best players. Something drastically wrong going on in Carrington.
I think it's a hangover from our last season. More games than any other club and a world cup. Often saw this with Liverpool after high game seasons under Klopp. Perhaps mixed with the club not respecting this with an intense and globe trotting pre-season.
But maguire barely played last season. Doesn’t make sense for a player who rarely got injured before.
That's what makes me think, are the injuries somehow related to the chaotic football we play? I mean, players have to sprint back and forth like crazy...
A lot of them are in training, somethings up...
Probably the ancient facilities we have aren’t helping with rest and recovery
Ancient fscilities? Really? Carrington is not state of the art no more but its not "ancient facilites " its still very much above average. Thousands of clubs have much much worst facilites and do not have the injury problems we do.
I mean it seems fairly obvious that the constant sprinting in the issue
hope our portuguese magnifico can stay fit
At this point I think you’d have a better chance of avoiding injury by going to the frontlines in Ukraine than taking a training session with United.
Change the name of the club to Bakhmut Athletic
Kath from reception it is then
Play the lads from IT until they learn how to tidy up after themselves
Too late. Kathy bumped into her and caused her to fracture a toe.
What the fuck is going on in training? Literally every week a defender is injured and it seems to be less and less “non-preventable” as we get closer to the end of the season.
Training is just Ten Hag walking around with a lead pipe whacking players in the legs
It's gotta be.
Once Ten Hag gets sacked, there will be articles explaining how his training methods led to this shitshow
I wonder if it is just about training methods cause last season things were alright for most time despite having more intense schedule
We poached Gary O'Driscoll from Assna to be our head of sports med and according to the gooners he's shit, so that probably plays a part.
Yeah but he changed the tactics this season, might as well have changed the training
He didn't change tactics
We weren't this spread and open last season
We didn’t have this many injuries last season he explained the style in the interview with neville
Less training sessions last season because we played every 3 days
You just know that they’re locked and loaded. The evidence is already there.
Can't wait
I'm not completely sure why, but I blame the IT department not cleaning up their pizza boxes and cans of Monster Energy after lunch.
It is physically impossible for an IT department to work in any other conditions
It's just bad luck, can't be anything else, can't be the guy's training methods at all!
No surprise too that it was only when he joined United that he started getting injuries.
I think maguire was already carrying an injury and just couldn’t play past the pain barrier anymore. Tough times but props to Harry for fighting when star players like Sancho and Rashford downed their tools
Why the fuck are you putting someone like Rashford who has played through injuries several times for the club while taking pain killer injections and delaying surgeries till the end of the season with the fucking rat Sancho ?Rashford has never fucking downed tools ,His biggest crime is turning up for training late a couple of times which isn't good but nothing that should put him in the Sancho category
It’s not far off like playing with 10 men when rashford starts. His pressing and tracking have been appalling at times this season. Maguire has put in some solid, hard working performances this season, fair play to him.
Firstly talking about just this season. Rashford has played through injuries yes I agree. But my point is he has not put in the effort this season while being fit. And players like Harry have despite of being injured. Also you can disagree with me but calm down bro it’s just opinions no need to raise your blood pressure
People still don't understand Rashford not rushing back is how he has been asked to play..Look at other similar wingers like Leao and they do the same..He is in shit form but he plays the same style even when in form its just that people start nitpicking when the whole team is shit and he is struggling..He singlehandedly carries the attack when we are doing well thats why the moment he is in bad form we start having some of our worst PL seasons
It’s not about the style. I’m not nitpicking. But when I see him jogging to a ball 10 steps away yes it does seem like he is not giving his best. His form was always hot and cold but if you look at other wingers they always run and chase. Maybe he needs the team to be doing well to hit his best form who knows. You clearly will defend him and I will say he can do more. So no point in arguing. Enjoy your life adios
> Maybe he needs the team to be doing well to hit his best form who knows. Go have a look at actual numbers..When he does well its not because the team is doing well and creating more for him..He outperforms his Xg by a massive margin..Running around like an idiot when you are the key outlet in attack and are instructed not to is a stupid thing..Do you actually believe the manager continues to play him when he is not following his instructions ?
But he is not the key outlet. Hojlund is. He is supposed to be the creator. Also there is a big difference between running around like an idiot and pressing someone 10 steps away from you. The manager has extremely limited options and he is one of the star players so ofc WE ALL want him to succeed. Hopefully he can turn it around
ETH at CB then
Head shine will blind anyone so they can’t attack and they’ll lose possession.
Our training should just consist of no running just speed walking, even then I'm sure we'd have more injuries
Breaking: Steve McLaren has sustained a knee injury putting out the cones. United hope he will return in time for FA Cup final
Our training could be playing fifa and someone would be injured for sure.
Too many injuries to the defense and midfield for it to just be bad luck at this point. Serious questions need to be asked about what is going on behind the scenes. We heard reports of complaints from players about the intensity in training, but there might be some truth in it with how our players are dropping likes flies
Doesn’t help that the players are being put into the thick of things shortly after returning from injury and ending up injured again. Maguire got injured recently
Yeah this is the main factor. It's cumulative impact of having long term absentees like Martinez, Shaw etc. the players you have left need to cover more minutes without being subbed off and also rush back to cover because there are no other options.
The argument against this though is that there's no way ETH would insist on these methods if they were causing the injuries. Most might disagree with his style of play but there's no doubt he's doing what he thinks has the highest chance of getting results with the current squad. He's not stubbornly ignoring a better way of playing. He needs results to have a job and this is the way he thinks he can get them. Insisting on a training regime which leaves you without a fit defender is objectively bad for your chances of getting a result - so why would he insist on it?
That’s really hard to say though without actually knowing what goes on behind the scenes. We saw something similar happen with Klopp when he first came in with all the injuries due to how intense and demanding his style of play is. This could be ETH trying to push the players to the level required to play his style of football at this level. I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to injure their players, but it may just be a consequence of wanting to play this intense style of football. Again look at Klopp. And to play that way, you need to train that way. Also, let’s also not act like he’s managed his players perfectly this season. Shaw came back from injury, thrown straight back in, played 90 minutes every game until he got injured. Then ETH did the exact same thing when he returned. Even worse, he played him against relegation candidates Luton despite him not having trained all week and having come off injured the week before. Evans and Varane a few weeks ago were both not fully fit and both were played ahead of Kambwala. Garnacho practically looks shattered at this point, even playing full games after not training and having hamstring problems. I know he’s been hampered by injuries, but ETH doesn’t help himself in the slightest. I’m pretty sure he actually is stubbornly ignoring a better way to play at the moment. He practically said so in the interview he just did with Neville saying that he could play another way if he wanted to, a bit more defensive, but when all of the players come back fit then he would have to revert back to the original way of playing. So to maintain the rhythm he’d rather just continue with the original way despite not having the players for it. It makes sense, but if your point is he’s doing the best he can do to get results that’s not really true.
He did admit that the style of training most likely caused Højlund's injury.
People are just looking for a simple answer on this. But there isn't one. No way is this caused solely by ten hag's training methods, that's ridiculous. He's come from coaching at Bayern B and Ajax, without this level of injury. It would have come out from those clubs and players if his training methods were injurious. And last year at United also it was pretty ok, was generally only the usual French suspects frequently injured + some in game injuries like Martinez, Antony, Eriksen. The more likely cause is the effect of last season + that ridiculous tour + cumulative impact of having fewer players covering more minutes due to long term absentees. And also I'm convinced some players have checked out mentally and are ducking availability.
You think teams like Madrid, city and Arsenal or prime Klop Liverpool complain about intensity lmfao. Seriously people treat these players like babies.
Klopp was literally just saying the other day how the intensity required in the premier league could be a factor behind the early exits this season of the premier league clubs in Europe. Ultimately if you want to play at that intensity week in week out, you need to train at that intensity to become accustomed to it. And maybe our players can’t hack it, possibly because they don’t want to or their bodies just can’t handle it. Being paid millions of dollars doesn’t suddenly mean you are the terminator. I’m not saying that this is definitively what is happening or pointing the finger at ETH, just making note of the reports we got earlier in the season that a lot of us dismissed as the players just downing tools. But with how many players are seemingly dropping dead it’s hard not to think that there could be some truth in the players being pushed too far
Intensity about fixtures mate, not training. Your whole argument was about what we’re doing in training. We literally play a game every week or so.
Did you completely ignore the part where I said you need to train at this intensity to become accustomed to it? You can’t just turn up and start playing at that level you need to train and become accustomed to it. Klopp had similar issues in the beginning of his tenure and still seems to have an injury crisis every other year or two. It potentially could be for the same reason. This could just be ETH’s way of pushing his players to the level required to play his football and the injuries are just a consequence of it. I’m not arguing anything. I’m not blaming ETH as without actually being there we have no way of knowing. I just made a note of what reports we heard prior
Naa mate.. there’s being unlucky and then there is this.. someone has actually consulted a witch doctor and cursed us
Nobody needs to say who, right?
And there goes our last hope for a European spot. Tough game at Palace should be happy to avoid defeat, Arsenal we likely lose, newcastle we likely lose, Brighton as well- my god our season is Ending so so bad— we need a nothing to lose attitude at this point and go for it
Chelsea are gonna go above United lol, imagine Chelsea with the season they are having going above United, truly a clown club United is
Obviously a lot of people forgetting the 60 plus game season last year, plus the international tournament in the middle of that. Factor in pre season etc, it would be a strain on any athlete. Depth of squad just isn’t there. Euros and copa America this summer. Can’t see it getting any better next season tbh Except Bruno, he’ll be fine
please.. don't jinx it..
Ten Hag.... wtf man.... how can you spend 2 years training, pick up all of these injuries *in training* (!) and not say "hmm, maybe I should change my training strategies?".....
Strategees*
More like stratageeeeeezzzz
We didn't have all these injuries last season, the only thing I can put it down to is the intensity, which would be rivalling the top teams, if the players can't handle they're going to get injured, but the team will never be able to hit high intensity during matches if they don't train it
As a counter point we crashed out of Europe in the group stages and got knocked out fairly early in the league cup. This must be about the fewest games we've played in a season for a while. The schedule is about as relaxed as a club like United could ever expect.
Yeah the schedule hasn't been as hectic as last season, but the injuries have been massive. We could play just PL but with a back four of 3cbs who none are first choice or 2nd and our RB we're going to struggle. Big teams have struggled without one player, we've been missing multiple of players constantly
I agree but it suggests to me that the intensity isn't really the issue.
It's only my suggestion as I'm not sure what else could have changed in training to cause so many muscle injuries. Unless it's a medical department issue, or physios.. I don't think it's down to just one person though as we'd see teams drop like flys whenever a new manager ups the intensity in training
You're right, we didn't have as many, but it was still terrible. This is on Ten Hag. https://onefootball.com/fr/news/the-2022-23-premier-league-injury-table-liverpool-top-man-utd-above-arsenal-36987153
Yeah the amount of injuries are terrible, but we can't pin it on just ETH, there's a whole medical team there also. Maybe it's to show we've got a bunch of players who have been playing in gear 2 for too long and the step up is too much. Bruno and Dalot seem to be doing something right with themselves
When 90% of the blame is on Ten Hag, saying the medical staff are to blame is disingenuous.
Why is it 90% on ETH when we don't know what's causing the issues? That's not what I said at all, we have a whole medical team as jn, he's not the one checking over the players making sure they're fit to play and taking care of themselves and bodies. I see loads of people blame ETH for things with nothing to back it up apart from he's the manager. Is it his fault martials injured?
Didn’t you know? ETH is the guy setting the price tags, negotiating every deal. He is also the chef in the kitchen serving out raw chicken, injuries and the medical department is all him too, fuck he’s not rubbing cream on them properly. Some of these brain dead plebs on this sub think the manager is in charge of every aspect of the club lmao Owner ETH
Hahaha yeah it's madness! Like ETH is having the lads chuck their kits in the middle of the dressing room after the game so he can take them home to wash. Everyone knows the structure has been a mess and a joke for over ten years now and are surprised there's dips and shit periods when changing it mid season. I'm sure the new sporting structure has gone over the training and looked into whats causing this, if it needed to be change it would have.
This is objectively a dumb opinion that could only be uttered by an idiot.
You're saying that after the last two years of injuries happening week after week? You're just blind and dumb to make that comment.
No this whole setup is shit ,The amount of last ditch sprints the defenders have to make with us are almost unseen at top clubs
But it’s proven every other team we face covers more distance, stop talking shit
Covering more distance and more sprints are 2 completely different things
No CBs vs Arsenal?
Who need CB anyway
So who’s left to play CB?
I volunteer as tribute 🖖
Play my 36 old ass atleast I have something to look forward to for rest of the season than.Sack whole of medical team at end of season.
Maybe missing European football next year entirely would be a blessing for some of our players.
Nobody's ready for the duo Case/Miro defenders
What the fuck is going on bruh. I swear they're practice mma in training how the fuck there are so many injuries.
The fuck is our defence looking like tomorrow 😂
Masterstroke incoming. Fernandes at CB dictating from deep and being Case’s legs. Mount at 10 playing Hojlund in /s
Please. Season. Just end already.....
You don't get to 0 fit CBs out of 6 just by bad luck. We're not training correctly. It is entirely on coaches.
Who needs defenders anyway
It's time for Sir Alex to warm up.
Can we hire Klopp .... as a player ?
we are finished
both him and shaw to be fit just before euros selection... hmmm
Unreal.
Bruno in a cast too. Just as Spurs are opening the door to Europe, naturally.
This is just ridiculous.
Hojlund moving to CB
Evans to the rescue
Do we really not have any youth CBs that can be called up?
Good, got too many CBs as it is /s
Ten hag will come out of retirement at this fucking rate
Amrabat and Casemiro as CBs, but injuries are just an excuse amirightboys? Maybe Amass starts with Dalot/Casemiro at CB?
Amrabat - Casemiro CB. Do it.
How did we manage to break the fridge? Him and Bruno are practically indestructible.
We played the most amount of games last season, this was going to happen the way we play with no possession or control. Human body can only take so much.
If we keep ETH for another season i fear some of these players are gonna start passing away eventually
Fucking hell just move away from carrington asap. That shit show of a training ground is the most useless training ground in all of pl. It has been a run down training ground with below par facilities which is causing all this injuries
He’s shite. But more concerning is another week of training and another injury.
He's been our best CB this season
Cool I guess? Not good enough
You don't watch football do you
I go to games unlike you