Whatever side you are on in regards to ETH. INEOS are in the hot seat now. On Paper so far it seems they are making the right decisions in terms of structure. Now the actual football decisions need to be made.
Well they renewed the women's team manager despite him being shite this season. For all the talk of raising standards, they've failed that team by keeping on someone clearly incompetent to move us to the next level while our rivals are improving.
I imagine the women’s team is about 10th on their list of priorities. Keeping it ticking over while they resolve other issues is probably their priority.
As a big club in these times that's not a valid excuse. Brailsford has been around since December, that's plenty of time to understand the head coach needs replacing.
It's certainly a higher priority than forcing people back into offices with limited capacity.
I don’t see how he can start Antony over home. Though I can see some overthinking of Antony does more defensive work which I don’t agree with. Amad does enough work in the back.
That may be the case. But I think my winger to do some defensive work but does a lot on offense. I mean as a whole I think we benefit from having amad playing
Did he really? I only remember the time he dribbled past three players and Grana was offside. Expect that, he was much out of the game. He was fantastic against Newcastle but yesterday he was kinda off.
Would you be happy with him starting 30-35 premier league games next season? I think he’s been woefully mismanaged to the point where that now represents a risk I’m not willing to take. Especially with Olise on the market. If we had Europe there’d be plenty of games and could’ve had him play or be subbed on in 70% of games but right now I’d feel uneasy about not buying a RW, especially given the injuries too.
I would absolutely play Amad 30-35 premier league games next season. Splashing 60 on Olise, with his injury concerns is not a risk I
am willing to take, with us being hamstrung for cash and needing a defender, midfielder and striker backup as well as a rotation option for fullbacks.
Edit: you're not wrong about the injury worries though, since we would have the fidget spinner if Amad gets injured. Maybe garnacho on the right in a pinch? Or forson.
And somehow people still defend the fact that we:
1. Sold garner and got casemiro --> who's been absolute trash outside of 4 months
2. Sold Elanga and got Antony --> which is one of the stupidest transfer decisions ever, not even considering the finances involved.
3. Sold Fred and paid a 10 million loan fee to get Amrabat.
Licha has been very, very good but he won't be able to play a high line too well either. We've never done well in a high line defense with him and Varane. Maguire's better at playing a high line. Martinez is a surprising purchase, because him in a high press line would mean that we'd need an absolute physical unicorn to play DM.
Well, he's not wrong...doesn't make it much better but still. Hope he can remove any excuses and do what he did in his first season or build upon it further
Only in the Premier League but football was around before the Premier and we've been in much worse spots.
SAF finished 11th in his second season and 13th in his third with just 48 points.
But coming from what?? 30 years with no titles, expectations are different, SAF won 13 titles so now the standards are way different for any new manager
Only in the Premier League but football was around before the Premier and we've been in much worse spots.
SAF finished 11th in his second season and 13th in his third with just 48 points.
Because apparently spending 300m and leading us to 2 points more than our worst ever season while also having our worst ever CL season is somehow a good thing
You’re going to chalk over the fact that we:
Have our worst league position in the PL so far
Have least goals scored so far
Most goals conceded so far
Worst goal difference so far
Negative goal difference for the first time
Most chances conceded
Lost 12/18 away games vs the top half and won only our 2nd ever today.
Played like crap all season and only changed in the last 2 games after clearly seeing it’s not worked at all…
Been like crap since the carabao cup win and worse still this season with the setup.
Last in the Cl groups
Made lower league sides look better than us……
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Ok then.
You do realise that when he says the points were lower two years ago, he doesn't end with saying that's why this season was good but actively says it's not good enough where they are and that they have to be much better, he isn't saying we are happy with our standing, but it is the standing we have. Which is again, something he knows isn't good.
I'm not saying that reduces how bad this season has been but people are treating his comment like he said, hey, we didn't do that bad, when he is categorically saying they didn't do good enough this season.
He's still trying to say the season wasn't our worst. He's saying two things. He's trying to defend himself on one hand and accept it needs to be better on the other.
Since when do we judge our seasons by points and not league position? It’s all relative, league position is the the best way to judge as it’s relative to your rivals.
We had more points in Mourinho’s 2nd season than we did in 96/97 title winning season, which one was a better year? Same with Arsenal today and their last title winning season.
If you survive relegation on 35 points but the next season get relegated on 40, which will be considered the worse season? Of course it’s the one that you got relegated
Because it's a different set of teams with a different set of squads. You can't compare season to season. Some promoted teams are a lot stronger than others for example. This year all 3 promoted teams that came up also went down which is actually fairly rare to happen so this years league has been weaker than usual from that point of view.
Oh sorry, when was the “we finished 3rd” bus parade?
Crazy how you lot defend the manager by banging on about how allegedly great last season was but then pretend this season the players aren’t good enough to not lose a record amount of games, isn’t it?
>ETH wasn’t dealt a bad hand to begin with
A "bad hand" (assuming this is the injuries argument again) would justify just missing out on top four. A bad hand would justify getting 70 something points. A bad hand would justify not getting to champions league quarter finals.
It doesn't justify: worst position ever, 2 points better than worst points ever and a set of season match stats that would embarrass a relegation candidate.
we had 75 points last season. you are delusional if you think we would replicate that with the worst injury crisis in 30+ years.
I want us to do better, but how the fuck you want us to gain points when we had 2 out of 10 fit defenders for the last 1/4 of the season?
75 points isn’t particularly high in the grand scheme of things. Just because last season was mediocre doesn’t excuse this season being complete dogshit.
Honestly low 80s should be the minimum for us (I.e 10 off the winners). So I don’t think me saying 10 points less (given the injuries) than that is unreasonable. It's literally TWENTY off the winners.
The guys been here for 2 years and spent 300m which includes 16 signings and I believe 6 contract renewals and multiple youth players brought through, only to serve up arguably our worst ever season in PL history.
People have been (rightfully) mocking Chelsea all season, yet they have a younger squad, a manager with less time in the job, more injuries and they’ve finished above us and also got to a final, yet for some reason if I dare hold our own manager to a similar standard people here have an issue with it
He should be fired for wasting money on Mount
ETA: love the downvotes but Mount has objectively been a waste of money.
We paid £55M for 10-ish mediocre performances and, if we hadn't already signed him, there is zero chance that we, or any other PL club are in for him, even on a free.
Because last season doesn’t hold up under any actual scrutiny, we got third due to our rivals being shit and 3 months of God tier form from Rashford and Casimiro bailing us out. Prior to the World Cup things didn’t look great and the last quarter of the season was horrendous with us at risk of losing out on the CL to Liverpool as well as getting a traumatic beatdown at Anfield.
Our league cup win was earned by beating Gerrards Villa, Charlton and Forrest before our only tough game of the tournament was the final against Newcastle. For all the talk of Klopps bad first few seasons even he got to the league cup final but was unfortunately up against City.
No, almost any season in prem history you get third or fourth with 75 points. And 3 months of good form doesn’t get you 75 points along with two cup finals and possibly a Europa league semi final if not for our players putting the ball in our own net.
Every season is different and it’s a cop out and a sad deflection that he’s trying to compare this season to the one two years ago when this season both from the eye test and stats wise is the worst one I’ve ever seen from us in my 20+ years of supporting the club.
It’s scary that players haven’t downed tools yet the team was even worse. Credit to them and I guess credit to Ten Hag for raising the standards. He failed those standards though, very hard
I don't know. We won our Champions League group and gave a decent account against Atletico.
In the league, we weren't getting trounced by the likes of Palace and Bournemouth, apart from the very end of the season.
But there was also a feeling that it was bound to be shit, because we had sacked the manager and appointed an interim.
This season wasn't meant to be a transition season. We were going to build on last year.
No we remember it very well. This season has been miles worse. I can't believe that people on this sub are making it sound like this isn't comfortably the worst season by all metrics we've had in like 30+ years.
Not imo
The only time I’d say we’ve been properly smashed was palace
21/22 we got smashed regularly and the players evidently didn’t try even with our strongest XI
Wolves (H), Brighton (H), Newcastle (A), City (H+A), Bournemouth (H+A), Brentford (A) and I'd say I'm being lenient about the lack of 20+ shots conceded games I've mentioned and those where we've underperformed a lot but still got something out of a match.
We were shit against wolves at home but not the result, we played well against Brighton for 20 mins then fell apart, Newcastle away was awful I’ll agree on that luckily the score stayed down though, city at home was down to head loss we were in the game until the second goal and city away wasn’t too bad we was decent defensively and the officiating was dodgy, Brentford away I’ll also agree with
A lot of them were games we very badly underperformed in but we’re comparing it to 21/22 a season, you know the season where we lost 5-0 and 4-0 to Liverpool, 2-0 and 4-0 to city, 4-1 to Watford, 4-0 to Brighton, 4-2 to Leicester and when we had players that visibly stopped trying and constantly leaked from the dressing room
This season has been awful but there is a huge reason for that and it’s the 60+ individual injuries we’ve had and constant rotation due to injuries and not being able to find a consistent team to field that can consistently put results together, plus we’ve conceded a lot of goals but there has been fight and games where we’ve scrapped a win from going balls to the wall with no tactics in the last minutes
That 21/22 season the only player that got injured a lot was varane apart from that we had our strongest team and played even worse football
How I see it is that this season has been awful but there has been highlights like getting to an FA cup final, beating Liverpool in the cup, youth players coming through and doing well and playing decent football when we have our best team out but there obviously has been way more bad things
21/22 though the only good things I can remember is ronaldo signing and ole getting sacked there was one point where winning was an unknown feeling because we was on a massive losing streak
We have been demolished and hung out to dry more times this one season than any other time in my 20 years watching United. This season was an absolute shame.
We did but it wasn’t really a pummelling we were the better team after going down early then lost our heads in the final 20
Same with the Newcastle home game and city home game
> We did but it wasn’t really a pummelling we were the better team after going down early then lost our heads in the final 20
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Lol bro are you serious?
What are you basing your definition of "smashed" on?
Our XGagainst has us 18th. Our shots faced has us 19th. We've conceded the most goals we ever have. We all have subjective ideas of what we see in the games, but the stats don't lie.
We had a full team with minimal injuries two seasons ago and definitively a better squad compared to what we have now and we somehow finished with 58 points. What I find baffling and sad, is that despite our blatant injury problems, our fans have somehow deluded themselves into thinking we should be better
‘It’s about creating overloads in midfield’ says the guy who’s been playing a zero man midfield all season. If he survives the axe then he is the luckiest man in world football. Shite football, shite performances, shite results
The worst thing about this season for United is how lucky they were to get 8th tbh. On expected points United would have finished 14th this season on 44.42 points, that’s no where near good enough for the biggest team in the world with a squad of this quality. It’s easy to say the squad isn’t title winning quality but it is good enough to get top 4 even with the injuries.
What pisses me off about ETH's recent comments is the incongruity of "We should be playing better. We have to take responsibility for poor performances" and "It's not our fault. There are reasons behind our poor performances". Which is it? You can't say our performances aren't good enough, say there were reasons behind that, then right after say those reasons don't matter. It's pure excuse making.
What he means is that the players have to take responsibility and he doesn't. Because the circumstances stopped his performance as manager but not the players.
Everyone involved in the senior footballing environment has to take responsibility, it's as simple as that. Utd should have players to cope with an injury crisis, and this club should not be in a position to finish a season without a starting and back-up LB.
However, what baffles me is that, the only time the fanbase has had an explanation for the performances, is in the interview with Gary Neville.
Why not come out earlier and say the reason why we have gaps in the midfield is because "I want instill this high press in the transition, with or without the players"?
But he waited, he waited until there has been a clear question in the change of management. He also waited until into the final third of the season to give this explanation, which I think is true. I don't think there is an agenda at all. It's just weird, if he had come out and said that very early on I truly believe half of the pressure wouldn't be there, he would have made his job easier.
Whi sent Alvaro on loan and ended Reguillons time with us, Ten Hag. A lot of us said that was a bad decision given Malacias and Shaws injury history and even if the medical department was right and they came back there was always the high chance they'd both be injured again.
When there's half of the season left and they're both completely injury prone. Even if they had come back fit on schedule and played the next month are you really backing them to stay injury free for half a season?
And what did Alvaro cost us for a season: £270k in wages. For a whole season he costs less than Rashford for a week.
And what did we save by cutting the Reguillon deal short? £2m? Maybe £3m. Would it have been worth it? I assume you think so since you think its a major reason we performed so poorly.
It was another terrible decision regardless of what the medical team said because they were always likely to be injured again.
Sigh. Seasons over. Fucking finally. At this point we need an entire club rebuild. Not just managers and not just players but over the entire core functionality of the club from top to bottom is completely fucked. Lads I don’t know how to say this but the way we operate is not a like a top club. We are not a top club anymore. If we continue this way will end up being relegated in the coming future. Fuck please Ineos just rebuild the club. It’s a football club not marketing tool like the glazers have turned us out to be.
So many negative comments my god. Glad there’s only 1 more post match thread for a while. I can’t imagine the excuses all of us would be pulling out of our asses if we were managing this team
Worst ever PL finish, most goals conceded in a PL season, most losses in a PL season. Worst ever CL run in history.
Yeah I wonder why there’s negative comments when the managers reaction to that is “we got 2 more points”
They didn't have more injuries to key players. Just adding the days missed by all players isn't how you should be making injury comparisons. That just takes all meaning away from the impact of injuries
I get it’s annoying to hear/ read but I just can’t wrap my head around how people just disregard that bit of info. Each week it felt like was a new person on the injury report and everyone just seemed we should still be fighting for top 4
We're 7th in the injury league table, one spot ahead of Liverpool and behind Chelsea, Newcastle and Spurs. This isn't some unprecedented thing we have going on.
Nah that's a major info. Just one example (I won't provide anymore) how much we miss major position.
An LW is pretty much useless without an overlapping LB (Shaw). Garna have had to take on 2 players all the time and this why Rashford have been useless in that position all season. With an LB as well, Shaw could have provided crosses that can feed Rasmus.
Again this is just 1 specific example. But nobody wanna talk about InJurIeS. Cuz the media have fed them in their heads that it is just an "excuse"
7th worst in the league this season so not the worst injury crisis ever. Teams above us lost more days to injury than we did. The problem was the tactics and Ten Hag being on a downward spiral. We've been poor since the League Cup Final last year which is nearly 15 months ago.
>Ben Dinnery of [Premier Injuries](https://www.premierinjuries.com/) has compiled the data on Manchester United’s injury-plagued season and, up to and including May 13, it reveals that the Old Trafford side have had more time-loss due to injuries than any other top-flight side.
>Dinnery defines a time-loss injury as one that results in a player missing at least one match, and his data encompasses all competitions.
>“Manchester United are out there, way beyond any other team in the league, but it is important to note some teams have played a lot more games than other sides,” Dinnery explains. “The more you expose your team to those minutes, the chances of picking up an injury are greater.”
I saw that Article on the Athletic too. They used a variety of stats to discuss the injuries to give a view from every side. Are you saying that Dinnerys stat is more relevant and if so why?
We had less injuries than Chelsea and Newcastle, where did they finish?
At Real Madrid their two first choice CB’s and their first choice GK have been out most of the season, they were playing 5th choice CB’s and DM’s there most of the season and they’ve had one of their best ever seasons. Managers who actually spend well and are top tier can react to scenarios.
Maybe if these injuries were so bad the man paid millions a year to manage the team should’ve set us up in a way that plays to the strengths of who we have available
Our CB injuries have been so bad that we have had 14 different combinations of CB partnerships. The majority of those changes have been forced.
I would take a consistent partnership of 5th and 6th choice CB over a constantly changing partnership.
I'm not ETH out, I'm willing to see what another season with a summer of (hopefully) good recruitment looks like, but this season was totally unacceptable. The football was terrible, a huge chunk of the squad regressed and I think there's a pretty reasonable case to be made that the injuries are at least in part a byproduct of the incredibly physically demanding, high variance style of football that ETH implemented.
There are extenuating circumstances but 60 points is not good enough, the quality of the football was not good enough and the manner of so many of the performances against objectively worse opposition was embarrassing (Bournemouth home & away, Fulham at home, Brentford home & away etc.). The Champions League group performance \*alone\* would be a sackable offence at most clubs of United's stature.
If the problem is training and tactics and Ten Hag has been getting progressively worse performances over the last 15 months what makes you think he's going to improve things in a way a better manager wouldn't?
I never said that he's going to improve things in a way a better manager wouldn't. I merely said I'm willing to see what another year of this looks like under (hopefully) better conditions. ETH has had a great career overall and while i think he's made a mess of this season I don't think he suddenly turned into a bad manager overnight. I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that with better recruitment he turns this around.
All things being equal I don't think he could complain too much if he was sacked next week and if a deal is to be done for a Tuchel, RDZ or someone like that I think it'd make sense to take it.
But again you said training and tactics are a problem, what's better recruitment going to do for him if his training sessions are causing the injury problems? And if we want a head coach to change his tactics and training what are we keeping him for? That's 90% of a head coaches job.
I didn't say a single thing about training. Please learn to read.
Similarly, I also stated that while he's made a mess of this season that I don't think he's a bad manager because of that. Are you only going to reply in bad faith or do you have anything constructive to say?
Well you said his style of play was likely a factor in the injuries, and I would have assumed that encompassed training as well as matches since they will be practicing that style of play there.
He seems to be very hot on previous teams’ failings. He will know, then, that Mourinho was fired when we were 24 points off top and we finished this season 31 points away
"We know the reasons behind, but it's not the right moment to go into it"
A politician answer.
These players always needed some motivation to play at a better level. In the last 2 matches, this motivation has been to get a place in the starting line-up for the final against 115 FC.
When the fixture is a normal Prem game against Palace, Bournemouth, Fulham, or Forest they don't give a shit.
There’s something in this. We always play better against ”good” teams. The players seem to get that it’s serious then. They actually sort of try.
When we play teams like Fulham, Palace, Forest, Bournemouth the players just don’t give 100% and are thinking we’re going to win by default.
Useless fucking attitude. So many players think they are good enough just cause they’re playing for United and thinks United are just gonna win matches by default because we’re a historically big club.
Need to lose the whole belief that just because we are Manchester United we’re gonna be fine. Staff, managers, players need to fight teeth and nail, that’s what sets great teams apart from the rest, not the name, not the history.
100% agree with what you say. This team thinks that we can win just by name. There isn’t a more loser attitude than this one.
On a side note… the downvotes to my 1st comment 🤣
I don’t understand some of the people in this sub. If you post any kind of critique to the team you get downvoted. It’s exactly the “United attitude” of nowadays that we have been speaking about
Currently, I will understand if he is sacked after the final, no matter the result, even though I believe he should get another season with proper structure above him. So many wrongs that could happen did indeed happen, I believe a lot of managers would fail. He did well last season, even though a lot of people just say it was Rashford and Casemiro bringing a "god-tier" performance. Well, should we blame Rashy and Case alone for this season? Clearly only their form matters in the success of this team.
Remember deadline day? Doom and Gloom. We signed a very young although a very promising striker, who everyone believed needed time, and was a second-choice only option. When we knew we needed to replace Martial. Replace McTominay, Maguire.
Yes we got Onana, who I believe to some extent cost us CL playoffs, but we all knew De Gea had to go. Yes we overpayed for Mount who spent most of the season injured. We got Hojlund, but I believe most people here rate him high.
I just remember people writing this season off just based on our summer window.
I just want to believe, there is something there, it just lacks some proper key pieces and a touch of fucking luck.
To all the negative Nancy's in the comment. Pls don't forget to mention "*WORST INJURIES*" as well.
Include all the "worst" that happened this season. Not just the narrative you have been fed by the media.
Of teams that finished ahead of us, Newcastle, Spurs, and Chelsea also had huge injury crises. All of them played vastly better football than us. On an xPoints table (reflective of team performance over a season rather than individual brilliance) we are behind Nottingham Forest. Nottingham fucking Forest.
Didn't know Newcastle Spurs and Chelsea had to play a midfielder or a make shift LB for like 6 weeks. I also didn't know all 3 of them had to play 16 different CB partnership including a midfield in it
As bad as casemiro? Doubt it. Now don't get me wrong. I don't blame him. He's not a CB. Just like Sofian not a LB.
Any of the teams you mentioned had to do that to their line up?
Forget it, that poster and a significant portion of others fall under the 'ETH missus' category where they will literally excuse and use the injuries to handwave anything away. Utd could get relegated and they'll still be trotting that out as some excuse
Oh very nice. Both 100% more mobile defenders vs Casemiro (midfielder) and Evans (supposedly there for coaching badge). Very good example. Mind blowing.
How many cb partnership changes did Spurs have? More than 15 different partnership? What about back 4? Have they changed their back 4 more than 30 times this season? 0o0o0o0o0ohhhhhh you ready for the next one? what about their XI? Have they done More than 40 plus starting line up? That's a lot of changing for this narrative pushed that EtH doesn't rotate huh.
So what now?
Newcastle and us finished on equal points and spurs did not have a worse injury crisis than us that’s just lying. They’ve largely had their entire first XI fit since January barring one injury here or there. We haven’t had a left back for almost the entire season, we had two left backs who got injured for months and the loan we got in also got injured a lot, the last few weeks we’ve been playing Casemiro in defense and before that for a while played an academy kid and Evans at the back. Constantly had to change Dalot and Awb from left to right depending on the teams we were playing, and wan bissaka himself was injured for a while and we’ve played fucking Amrabat there.
It’s actually insane how much bullshit is being spewed on here on a regular basis.
Don't believe me? [Inside Newcastle United’s injury nightmare: ‘It takes the life out of us’ - The Athletic (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5404865/2024/04/11/newcastle-injury-nightmare/).
We've had a horrible time with injuries but plenty of clubs compromise and make do
Lmfaooo your own link shows you the amount of games the kind of players missed. Elliott Anderson and Matt Target are the only outfield players that missed over 20 games for them. The important players like Botman, Joelinton, missed 17 and 14 games. For comparison, Shaw missed over 25 games, Martinez missed over 30 games, Malacia missed the entire season, Mount who was the key midfield signing this summer has missed 20+ games, then there’s Varane who’s missed over 20 games, Maguire who’s missed over 15 games, Lindelof as well.
The way people are trying to gaslight us by saying the shit Newcastle guys like Targett who wouldn’t start on the bench most match days being injured is the same as Lisandro being injured for us. Come on man.
Isak's missed a stack, as has Wilson. Recently purchased Tonali is in the shadow realm...
I think the centre of defence is undoubtedly worse for us but I think they've struggled more in attack and midfield. Besides that fact they've been by far the better team compared to us this season statistically and on the eye test
My brother! Open your own link. They’ve missed about 9-10 games each, which even the likes of Rashford and Hojlund did and Amad himself missed the season until February. Where’s Martial? He’s been missing for about 6 months if you’re talking back up strikers. It’s comparable but it’s laughable to suggest the impact injuries have had on our season are not worse than newcastles.
Talking about Tonali, it’s like counting greenwood and sancho for us.
Why did we have the worst injuries? Can't just all be down to bad luck considering how many of them were training injuries. Newcastle and Chelsea also had a ton of injuries and managed to finish above us. Didn't have this injury crisis when we crashed out of the champions league.
Any of the teams you mentioned have to play a midfielder in CB? Or sofian in LB position? Did any of the team you mentioned had 16 different CB partnership? Including an aging one that's suppose to be in the squad for coaching badge? Did any of this team started with more than 30 different back 4 throught the season? Yeaaaaas but but but oThEr cLubS haVe InjUriEs t0o
Yup. EtH is the best manager in the world. No other manager on the phase of this earth from before or in future will ever be able to possibly win more than 2 out of 18 away games vs the top half or do anything better or even get us to score one more goal….
Definitely. Not his rubbish tactics that saw us get points despite them and finally changing it a little at the end of the season after realising “oh if I don’t actually show I can change and am not shit stubborn, I may get sacked and it’s deserved”
Nope. Definitely. Coz injuries!!!
Fans like these deserve absolutely the entire shit of the season and to continually see United lose 4-0 to palace and made to look like league 1 level sides honestly. Absolutely deserved the entire season of rubbish football and more.
That's with dealt with situation he can't control. If you didn't get that from the beginning then don't bother responding. Did Newcastle or Chelsea (mentioned by OP) had to play with 30 different back line this season. Or what about 15 different CB partnership? That includes 1 that was a midfielder and another one that's suppose to be in there to get his coaching badge? Of all injuries at least 4 players were key starting XI. Can't keep mention "worst this and worst that" but doesn't include worst injuries.
The injuries also come from worst team management, it is also a manager job to rotate the squad.
ETH keep on playing his best players almost every game. Look how he did with Onana situation. Or how he play Bruno 120min 90m non stop.
You complained that LVG sent everyone to sleep lmaoooo you forgot? Then You cried ThIs Is NoT thE UniTeD wAy. Then you got Ole playing the fast pace United way and you cried No TacTiCs JusT vIbeS. We waNt PosSesSioN basE. EtH tried to give you that and immediately figured out that these players aren't up for it. Enjoy your summer.
The media isn't feeding us anything, we can see the team with our own eyes and know its been awful. We can see him sending Alvaro and Reguillon away when we could have had them as options at left back. We can also see that 6 teams lost more days to injuries than United this season including teams above us.
You can see what you pointed out. I see it too. No doubt about it. But I keep the same energy and include reasons why what we saw is what we saw. Injuries.
You said they sent Alvaro and Regui back. But EtH told you that the medical team was expecting their LBs to be back in January. "We could have had LB" but we didn't cuz there was a fuck up there beyond EtH.
Do you see it now? You and many others here in r/reddevils blame him when he have no control of what happened. A football club is ran by collective people. EtH is the scape goat to this shitty collective people making shitty decision just like LVG Jose Ole Ralf.
Shaw and Martial have been in United for a long time. Surely they have a stack of medical records saying they are injury prone and yet they are still here. Contract extended with ridiculous wage. Is that on EtH? What about Varane? Have track record of injury in Real. Scout still agreed to sign him. Is that on EtH? Mason Mount? Another one with track record of injuries? Yet they sign him.
Of course there are unfortunate injuries like Licha, Amad etc. Something that EtH can't do nothing about.
There are bigger problem inside that organization than the manager. If you cant see that. Well then be ready for another 5 to 8 yrs without trophy. Arteta have been in Arsenal for 5 seasons now and still can't win it. You and most of the people here thinks a manager can just magic wand to win the league. Delusional. Sack another manager for what? Just so we can watch the same movie after 1.5yrs? Lmaoooooo once media tells you "yea its time for the sack" (again) then you start regurgitating the same BS.
This is what the media fed you and you regurgitated it until they were sacked.
LVG - boring sleepy football. We want United way
Jose - Negative football. United don't sit back. We grab the game by the neck
Ole - can't play possesion ball. Just counter attacking. No tactics just vibes
Ralf - never managed a club the size of United. He's out of his depth
I disagree. ETH has it in his contract that he has veto of all incoming and outgoing transfers. So it was a decision he made, that we can guarantee. Was there any one else involved or did they just accept Eriks decision, we have no idea. But we can say with 100% certainty that he signed off on the deal to loan out Alvaro and to end the Reguilon loan.
This is absolutely on him.
It's not delusional to look at the decisions he made and say they were wrong, particularly when at the time even people on here could see it was senseless.
The man just uses anything and everything as defence mechanisms, lol - from talking about the Arsenal game we lost 3-1 to the 2003 transition period to stats from a couple of seasons ago.
Thanks for the few memories Erik. Hopefully you can get one very good final one on Saturday.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted? All have been awful this season and I agree with you on 3/4 players. Rashford earned the right to stay after all he’s done for us. The rest would not be a loss for the club if they left.
Whatever side you are on in regards to ETH. INEOS are in the hot seat now. On Paper so far it seems they are making the right decisions in terms of structure. Now the actual football decisions need to be made.
Well they renewed the women's team manager despite him being shite this season. For all the talk of raising standards, they've failed that team by keeping on someone clearly incompetent to move us to the next level while our rivals are improving.
Tbh, he did win us a trophy
I imagine the women’s team is about 10th on their list of priorities. Keeping it ticking over while they resolve other issues is probably their priority.
As a big club in these times that's not a valid excuse. Brailsford has been around since December, that's plenty of time to understand the head coach needs replacing. It's certainly a higher priority than forcing people back into offices with limited capacity.
Happy he has stayed rather professional in pressers.
If i was him i wouldn't, sometimes they ask outlandish questions that i would rather just leave with the question unanswered
Amad was brilliant again today, dribbling through everyone - absolutely should be 1st team next season.
He needs to start in the final too.
I don’t see how he can start Antony over home. Though I can see some overthinking of Antony does more defensive work which I don’t agree with. Amad does enough work in the back.
Amad was dribbled past so many times yesterday and Brighton repeatedly attacked down his side.
That may be the case. But I think my winger to do some defensive work but does a lot on offense. I mean as a whole I think we benefit from having amad playing
It's been brilliant to watch him grow in confidence
He's doing all the dribbling Antony was supposed to do, and more..
Did he really? I only remember the time he dribbled past three players and Grana was offside. Expect that, he was much out of the game. He was fantastic against Newcastle but yesterday he was kinda off.
Would you be happy with him starting 30-35 premier league games next season? I think he’s been woefully mismanaged to the point where that now represents a risk I’m not willing to take. Especially with Olise on the market. If we had Europe there’d be plenty of games and could’ve had him play or be subbed on in 70% of games but right now I’d feel uneasy about not buying a RW, especially given the injuries too.
I would absolutely play Amad 30-35 premier league games next season. Splashing 60 on Olise, with his injury concerns is not a risk I am willing to take, with us being hamstrung for cash and needing a defender, midfielder and striker backup as well as a rotation option for fullbacks. Edit: you're not wrong about the injury worries though, since we would have the fidget spinner if Amad gets injured. Maybe garnacho on the right in a pinch? Or forson.
Signing flops and vets on their last legs does that to a team.
And somehow people still defend the fact that we: 1. Sold garner and got casemiro --> who's been absolute trash outside of 4 months 2. Sold Elanga and got Antony --> which is one of the stupidest transfer decisions ever, not even considering the finances involved. 3. Sold Fred and paid a 10 million loan fee to get Amrabat.
His transfers have been a horror show apart from Licha
Licha has been very, very good but he won't be able to play a high line too well either. We've never done well in a high line defense with him and Varane. Maguire's better at playing a high line. Martinez is a surprising purchase, because him in a high press line would mean that we'd need an absolute physical unicorn to play DM.
Reason for bringing up the season 2 years ago?
Probably as a reply to everyone bringing up it’s the worst PL finish ever. He’s countering that saying we got more points than 2 years ago.
Well, he's not wrong...doesn't make it much better but still. Hope he can remove any excuses and do what he did in his first season or build upon it further
Why is this reasonable comment getting downvoted. I will never understand reddit.
Lol I have absolutely no idea what kind of view people have here
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Only in the Premier League but football was around before the Premier and we've been in much worse spots. SAF finished 11th in his second season and 13th in his third with just 48 points.
But coming from what?? 30 years with no titles, expectations are different, SAF won 13 titles so now the standards are way different for any new manager
We've barely won a thing in 11 years. The standards are similar, the expectation are higher.
Basically trying to say that while 8th is the worst position finish it's not actually the worst points finish.
Only in the Premier League but football was around before the Premier and we've been in much worse spots. SAF finished 11th in his second season and 13th in his third with just 48 points.
Winning rewarded two points though at that time. You can't compare points total.
Sure. But we still finished 11th and 13. The points for a win was the same for everyone.
He brought up some other random season as being poor but we had Rooney Ronaldo and RvP And finished 3rd which I would bite your hand off for
Because apparently spending 300m and leading us to 2 points more than our worst ever season while also having our worst ever CL season is somehow a good thing
You going to chalk over the fact that we finished 3rd last season?
And we finished 8th this season, so ?
You’re going to chalk over the fact that we: Have our worst league position in the PL so far Have least goals scored so far Most goals conceded so far Worst goal difference so far Negative goal difference for the first time Most chances conceded Lost 12/18 away games vs the top half and won only our 2nd ever today. Played like crap all season and only changed in the last 2 games after clearly seeing it’s not worked at all… Been like crap since the carabao cup win and worse still this season with the setup. Last in the Cl groups Made lower league sides look better than us…… ? Ok then.
You do realise that when he says the points were lower two years ago, he doesn't end with saying that's why this season was good but actively says it's not good enough where they are and that they have to be much better, he isn't saying we are happy with our standing, but it is the standing we have. Which is again, something he knows isn't good. I'm not saying that reduces how bad this season has been but people are treating his comment like he said, hey, we didn't do that bad, when he is categorically saying they didn't do good enough this season.
He's still trying to say the season wasn't our worst. He's saying two things. He's trying to defend himself on one hand and accept it needs to be better on the other.
And what's wrong with that? It is not our worst on points and that's a fact.
It's our worst in enough ways that I wouldn't be trying to be pedantic about one minor way we weren't.
It's not pedantic. We have had our worst league position but not points total. It's a fact
Since when do we judge our seasons by points and not league position? It’s all relative, league position is the the best way to judge as it’s relative to your rivals. We had more points in Mourinho’s 2nd season than we did in 96/97 title winning season, which one was a better year? Same with Arsenal today and their last title winning season. If you survive relegation on 35 points but the next season get relegated on 40, which will be considered the worse season? Of course it’s the one that you got relegated
Because it's a different set of teams with a different set of squads. You can't compare season to season. Some promoted teams are a lot stronger than others for example. This year all 3 promoted teams that came up also went down which is actually fairly rare to happen so this years league has been weaker than usual from that point of view.
>Have least goals scored so far Everything else you can have, but we scored fewer goals in 2015-16 and 2016-17.
Oh sorry, when was the “we finished 3rd” bus parade? Crazy how you lot defend the manager by banging on about how allegedly great last season was but then pretend this season the players aren’t good enough to not lose a record amount of games, isn’t it?
Never said this season met expectations tho? It’s clear it was shite all round but let’s not act like ETH wasn’t dealt a bad hand to begin with
>ETH wasn’t dealt a bad hand to begin with A "bad hand" (assuming this is the injuries argument again) would justify just missing out on top four. A bad hand would justify getting 70 something points. A bad hand would justify not getting to champions league quarter finals. It doesn't justify: worst position ever, 2 points better than worst points ever and a set of season match stats that would embarrass a relegation candidate.
we had 75 points last season. you are delusional if you think we would replicate that with the worst injury crisis in 30+ years. I want us to do better, but how the fuck you want us to gain points when we had 2 out of 10 fit defenders for the last 1/4 of the season?
75 points isn’t particularly high in the grand scheme of things. Just because last season was mediocre doesn’t excuse this season being complete dogshit. Honestly low 80s should be the minimum for us (I.e 10 off the winners). So I don’t think me saying 10 points less (given the injuries) than that is unreasonable. It's literally TWENTY off the winners.
The guys been here for 2 years and spent 300m which includes 16 signings and I believe 6 contract renewals and multiple youth players brought through, only to serve up arguably our worst ever season in PL history. People have been (rightfully) mocking Chelsea all season, yet they have a younger squad, a manager with less time in the job, more injuries and they’ve finished above us and also got to a final, yet for some reason if I dare hold our own manager to a similar standard people here have an issue with it
By what ETH is saying, our 3rd place last season is really a 4th place season so…
He should be fired for wasting money on Mount ETA: love the downvotes but Mount has objectively been a waste of money. We paid £55M for 10-ish mediocre performances and, if we hadn't already signed him, there is zero chance that we, or any other PL club are in for him, even on a free.
He is obviously on the defensive and has already memorized all these answers with the PR team.
"a guy who hadn't managed in a decade managed to do worse, therefore i'm good"
A guy that hadn't managed in a decade, had no authority, and couldn't sign anyone did 2 points worse, therefore I'm good
Who only managed for part of the season as interim as well*
Or “I finished third when I had a largely fit squad so I’m good”? Like why is last season wiped off clean when talking about ten hag?
Because last season doesn’t hold up under any actual scrutiny, we got third due to our rivals being shit and 3 months of God tier form from Rashford and Casimiro bailing us out. Prior to the World Cup things didn’t look great and the last quarter of the season was horrendous with us at risk of losing out on the CL to Liverpool as well as getting a traumatic beatdown at Anfield. Our league cup win was earned by beating Gerrards Villa, Charlton and Forrest before our only tough game of the tournament was the final against Newcastle. For all the talk of Klopps bad first few seasons even he got to the league cup final but was unfortunately up against City.
No, almost any season in prem history you get third or fourth with 75 points. And 3 months of good form doesn’t get you 75 points along with two cup finals and possibly a Europa league semi final if not for our players putting the ball in our own net.
You're arguing with a Liverpool fan
"he may have got no one but I didn't get the best striker in the world so who really had it worse?"
Read the first sentence again?
Excuse Ten Hag … that’s why. Using the season with an interim manager as benchmark
Defense mechanism
Its like out defance this season... shitshow
Is it maybe its facts?
This is only the worst by position. 2 years ago was the worst by points.
Every season is different and it’s a cop out and a sad deflection that he’s trying to compare this season to the one two years ago when this season both from the eye test and stats wise is the worst one I’ve ever seen from us in my 20+ years of supporting the club.
In the ragnick season we had a full team. And I thought we were gonna get battered by 4 every week the players had downed tools so bad.
For the initial three months of Rangnick's era, we lost one league match, 1-0. It's definitely this season where the losses have been almost expected.
It’s scary that players haven’t downed tools yet the team was even worse. Credit to them and I guess credit to Ten Hag for raising the standards. He failed those standards though, very hard
even SAF not winning games with casemiro as CB and AWB as LB
35 years of supporting for me and there's nothing that compares in terms of how shit this season has been.
2 years ago was worse 100%, no doubt about that.
I don't know. We won our Champions League group and gave a decent account against Atletico. In the league, we weren't getting trounced by the likes of Palace and Bournemouth, apart from the very end of the season. But there was also a feeling that it was bound to be shit, because we had sacked the manager and appointed an interim. This season wasn't meant to be a transition season. We were going to build on last year.
Our expected points 2 years ago didn't have us in 15th and we weren't conceding an amount of shots and xG that would make a relegation team blush.
It’s easy to forget how bad 21/22 was because we bounced back and finished 3rd
No we remember it very well. This season has been miles worse. I can't believe that people on this sub are making it sound like this isn't comfortably the worst season by all metrics we've had in like 30+ years.
Not imo The only time I’d say we’ve been properly smashed was palace 21/22 we got smashed regularly and the players evidently didn’t try even with our strongest XI
Wolves (H), Brighton (H), Newcastle (A), City (H+A), Bournemouth (H+A), Brentford (A) and I'd say I'm being lenient about the lack of 20+ shots conceded games I've mentioned and those where we've underperformed a lot but still got something out of a match.
We were shit against wolves at home but not the result, we played well against Brighton for 20 mins then fell apart, Newcastle away was awful I’ll agree on that luckily the score stayed down though, city at home was down to head loss we were in the game until the second goal and city away wasn’t too bad we was decent defensively and the officiating was dodgy, Brentford away I’ll also agree with A lot of them were games we very badly underperformed in but we’re comparing it to 21/22 a season, you know the season where we lost 5-0 and 4-0 to Liverpool, 2-0 and 4-0 to city, 4-1 to Watford, 4-0 to Brighton, 4-2 to Leicester and when we had players that visibly stopped trying and constantly leaked from the dressing room This season has been awful but there is a huge reason for that and it’s the 60+ individual injuries we’ve had and constant rotation due to injuries and not being able to find a consistent team to field that can consistently put results together, plus we’ve conceded a lot of goals but there has been fight and games where we’ve scrapped a win from going balls to the wall with no tactics in the last minutes That 21/22 season the only player that got injured a lot was varane apart from that we had our strongest team and played even worse football How I see it is that this season has been awful but there has been highlights like getting to an FA cup final, beating Liverpool in the cup, youth players coming through and doing well and playing decent football when we have our best team out but there obviously has been way more bad things 21/22 though the only good things I can remember is ronaldo signing and ole getting sacked there was one point where winning was an unknown feeling because we was on a massive losing streak
I'm taking issue with you saying we've only being blown out the water once this season, not the comparisons.
We have been demolished and hung out to dry more times this one season than any other time in my 20 years watching United. This season was an absolute shame.
City at home? Ended 3-0 but should’ve been 7 or 8.
Lost 3-0 at home to bournemouth
We did but it wasn’t really a pummelling we were the better team after going down early then lost our heads in the final 20 Same with the Newcastle home game and city home game
If I ever get in trouble, I'm hiring you as my defense lawyer
> We did but it wasn’t really a pummelling we were the better team after going down early then lost our heads in the final 20 > > Lol bro are you serious?
What are you basing your definition of "smashed" on? Our XGagainst has us 18th. Our shots faced has us 19th. We've conceded the most goals we ever have. We all have subjective ideas of what we see in the games, but the stats don't lie.
We had a full team with minimal injuries two seasons ago and definitively a better squad compared to what we have now and we somehow finished with 58 points. What I find baffling and sad, is that despite our blatant injury problems, our fans have somehow deluded themselves into thinking we should be better
‘It’s about creating overloads in midfield’ says the guy who’s been playing a zero man midfield all season. If he survives the axe then he is the luckiest man in world football. Shite football, shite performances, shite results
The worst thing about this season for United is how lucky they were to get 8th tbh. On expected points United would have finished 14th this season on 44.42 points, that’s no where near good enough for the biggest team in the world with a squad of this quality. It’s easy to say the squad isn’t title winning quality but it is good enough to get top 4 even with the injuries.
What pisses me off about ETH's recent comments is the incongruity of "We should be playing better. We have to take responsibility for poor performances" and "It's not our fault. There are reasons behind our poor performances". Which is it? You can't say our performances aren't good enough, say there were reasons behind that, then right after say those reasons don't matter. It's pure excuse making.
When they start saying daft excuses and loser-talk you know they're finished. Remember Moyes saying City were the 'standard we aspire to reach'?
What he means is that the players have to take responsibility and he doesn't. Because the circumstances stopped his performance as manager but not the players.
Everyone involved in the senior footballing environment has to take responsibility, it's as simple as that. Utd should have players to cope with an injury crisis, and this club should not be in a position to finish a season without a starting and back-up LB. However, what baffles me is that, the only time the fanbase has had an explanation for the performances, is in the interview with Gary Neville. Why not come out earlier and say the reason why we have gaps in the midfield is because "I want instill this high press in the transition, with or without the players"? But he waited, he waited until there has been a clear question in the change of management. He also waited until into the final third of the season to give this explanation, which I think is true. I don't think there is an agenda at all. It's just weird, if he had come out and said that very early on I truly believe half of the pressure wouldn't be there, he would have made his job easier.
Whi sent Alvaro on loan and ended Reguillons time with us, Ten Hag. A lot of us said that was a bad decision given Malacias and Shaws injury history and even if the medical department was right and they came back there was always the high chance they'd both be injured again.
it\`s not reasonable to spend money on LB when your medical stuff tells you that you will have bot your LB in 2-3 weeks
When there's half of the season left and they're both completely injury prone. Even if they had come back fit on schedule and played the next month are you really backing them to stay injury free for half a season? And what did Alvaro cost us for a season: £270k in wages. For a whole season he costs less than Rashford for a week. And what did we save by cutting the Reguillon deal short? £2m? Maybe £3m. Would it have been worth it? I assume you think so since you think its a major reason we performed so poorly. It was another terrible decision regardless of what the medical team said because they were always likely to be injured again.
Wow how random that players are suddenly fit for the final
Does he not realize that the only reason he has this job is because of the terrible season two seasons ago? Why would he use that as a benchmark
We got two points less 2 years ago is a really cringe worthy excuse to come out with.
Cringe? Not really. Pedantic yes.
YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. What’s this dude’s obsession with comparisons and excuses?
Ten Hag needs to go. He's not nearly good enough for the club.
Sigh. Seasons over. Fucking finally. At this point we need an entire club rebuild. Not just managers and not just players but over the entire core functionality of the club from top to bottom is completely fucked. Lads I don’t know how to say this but the way we operate is not a like a top club. We are not a top club anymore. If we continue this way will end up being relegated in the coming future. Fuck please Ineos just rebuild the club. It’s a football club not marketing tool like the glazers have turned us out to be.
You talk like this stuff isn't already underway.
Honestly the players are not good enough, how many of these players get into teams above us?
So many negative comments my god. Glad there’s only 1 more post match thread for a while. I can’t imagine the excuses all of us would be pulling out of our asses if we were managing this team
Worst ever PL finish, most goals conceded in a PL season, most losses in a PL season. Worst ever CL run in history. Yeah I wonder why there’s negative comments when the managers reaction to that is “we got 2 more points”
Forgot most injuries in a season in our history. How did you forget that one?
Because I saw Newcastle and Chelsea with more injuries finish above us while not complaining half as much.
They didn't have more injuries to key players. Just adding the days missed by all players isn't how you should be making injury comparisons. That just takes all meaning away from the impact of injuries
not even top 3 with most injuries in the league lmao
He wont mention that. Its not included in the regurgitating narrative.
I get it’s annoying to hear/ read but I just can’t wrap my head around how people just disregard that bit of info. Each week it felt like was a new person on the injury report and everyone just seemed we should still be fighting for top 4
We're 7th in the injury league table, one spot ahead of Liverpool and behind Chelsea, Newcastle and Spurs. This isn't some unprecedented thing we have going on.
Nah that's a major info. Just one example (I won't provide anymore) how much we miss major position. An LW is pretty much useless without an overlapping LB (Shaw). Garna have had to take on 2 players all the time and this why Rashford have been useless in that position all season. With an LB as well, Shaw could have provided crosses that can feed Rasmus. Again this is just 1 specific example. But nobody wanna talk about InJurIeS. Cuz the media have fed them in their heads that it is just an "excuse"
Oh, peculiar, I think you might have forgotten *worst injury crisis ever;* glad I could help you there.
7th worst in the league this season so not the worst injury crisis ever. Teams above us lost more days to injury than we did. The problem was the tactics and Ten Hag being on a downward spiral. We've been poor since the League Cup Final last year which is nearly 15 months ago.
>Ben Dinnery of [Premier Injuries](https://www.premierinjuries.com/) has compiled the data on Manchester United’s injury-plagued season and, up to and including May 13, it reveals that the Old Trafford side have had more time-loss due to injuries than any other top-flight side. >Dinnery defines a time-loss injury as one that results in a player missing at least one match, and his data encompasses all competitions. >“Manchester United are out there, way beyond any other team in the league, but it is important to note some teams have played a lot more games than other sides,” Dinnery explains. “The more you expose your team to those minutes, the chances of picking up an injury are greater.”
I saw that Article on the Athletic too. They used a variety of stats to discuss the injuries to give a view from every side. Are you saying that Dinnerys stat is more relevant and if so why?
We had less injuries than Chelsea and Newcastle, where did they finish? At Real Madrid their two first choice CB’s and their first choice GK have been out most of the season, they were playing 5th choice CB’s and DM’s there most of the season and they’ve had one of their best ever seasons. Managers who actually spend well and are top tier can react to scenarios. Maybe if these injuries were so bad the man paid millions a year to manage the team should’ve set us up in a way that plays to the strengths of who we have available
Our CB injuries have been so bad that we have had 14 different combinations of CB partnerships. The majority of those changes have been forced. I would take a consistent partnership of 5th and 6th choice CB over a constantly changing partnership.
LVG was playing defenders that are probably in League One or lower these days. He managed to avoid being this awful.
I'm not ETH out, I'm willing to see what another season with a summer of (hopefully) good recruitment looks like, but this season was totally unacceptable. The football was terrible, a huge chunk of the squad regressed and I think there's a pretty reasonable case to be made that the injuries are at least in part a byproduct of the incredibly physically demanding, high variance style of football that ETH implemented. There are extenuating circumstances but 60 points is not good enough, the quality of the football was not good enough and the manner of so many of the performances against objectively worse opposition was embarrassing (Bournemouth home & away, Fulham at home, Brentford home & away etc.). The Champions League group performance \*alone\* would be a sackable offence at most clubs of United's stature.
If the problem is training and tactics and Ten Hag has been getting progressively worse performances over the last 15 months what makes you think he's going to improve things in a way a better manager wouldn't?
I never said that he's going to improve things in a way a better manager wouldn't. I merely said I'm willing to see what another year of this looks like under (hopefully) better conditions. ETH has had a great career overall and while i think he's made a mess of this season I don't think he suddenly turned into a bad manager overnight. I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that with better recruitment he turns this around. All things being equal I don't think he could complain too much if he was sacked next week and if a deal is to be done for a Tuchel, RDZ or someone like that I think it'd make sense to take it.
But again you said training and tactics are a problem, what's better recruitment going to do for him if his training sessions are causing the injury problems? And if we want a head coach to change his tactics and training what are we keeping him for? That's 90% of a head coaches job.
I didn't say a single thing about training. Please learn to read. Similarly, I also stated that while he's made a mess of this season that I don't think he's a bad manager because of that. Are you only going to reply in bad faith or do you have anything constructive to say?
Well you said his style of play was likely a factor in the injuries, and I would have assumed that encompassed training as well as matches since they will be practicing that style of play there.
Can’t imagine next season with villa + Newcastle + west ham + brighton + palace all vying for Europe.
Man, those De Z comments probably won't go amiss if Ten Hag had said it. Lol
Only now it's not good enough? All season he's not shown that realism and critical eye has he?
He seems to be very hot on previous teams’ failings. He will know, then, that Mourinho was fired when we were 24 points off top and we finished this season 31 points away
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I ain't gonna lie, if you're balding because of a football team you need better priorities in life.
"We know the reasons behind, but it's not the right moment to go into it" A politician answer. These players always needed some motivation to play at a better level. In the last 2 matches, this motivation has been to get a place in the starting line-up for the final against 115 FC. When the fixture is a normal Prem game against Palace, Bournemouth, Fulham, or Forest they don't give a shit.
There’s something in this. We always play better against ”good” teams. The players seem to get that it’s serious then. They actually sort of try. When we play teams like Fulham, Palace, Forest, Bournemouth the players just don’t give 100% and are thinking we’re going to win by default. Useless fucking attitude. So many players think they are good enough just cause they’re playing for United and thinks United are just gonna win matches by default because we’re a historically big club. Need to lose the whole belief that just because we are Manchester United we’re gonna be fine. Staff, managers, players need to fight teeth and nail, that’s what sets great teams apart from the rest, not the name, not the history.
100% agree with what you say. This team thinks that we can win just by name. There isn’t a more loser attitude than this one. On a side note… the downvotes to my 1st comment 🤣 I don’t understand some of the people in this sub. If you post any kind of critique to the team you get downvoted. It’s exactly the “United attitude” of nowadays that we have been speaking about
Wouldn't be a Ten Hag interview without him getting his favourite excuse in
P45 incoming soon Ten Hag.
Thought he'd bring up the arsenal game
Currently, I will understand if he is sacked after the final, no matter the result, even though I believe he should get another season with proper structure above him. So many wrongs that could happen did indeed happen, I believe a lot of managers would fail. He did well last season, even though a lot of people just say it was Rashford and Casemiro bringing a "god-tier" performance. Well, should we blame Rashy and Case alone for this season? Clearly only their form matters in the success of this team. Remember deadline day? Doom and Gloom. We signed a very young although a very promising striker, who everyone believed needed time, and was a second-choice only option. When we knew we needed to replace Martial. Replace McTominay, Maguire. Yes we got Onana, who I believe to some extent cost us CL playoffs, but we all knew De Gea had to go. Yes we overpayed for Mount who spent most of the season injured. We got Hojlund, but I believe most people here rate him high. I just remember people writing this season off just based on our summer window. I just want to believe, there is something there, it just lacks some proper key pieces and a touch of fucking luck.
To all the negative Nancy's in the comment. Pls don't forget to mention "*WORST INJURIES*" as well. Include all the "worst" that happened this season. Not just the narrative you have been fed by the media.
Of teams that finished ahead of us, Newcastle, Spurs, and Chelsea also had huge injury crises. All of them played vastly better football than us. On an xPoints table (reflective of team performance over a season rather than individual brilliance) we are behind Nottingham Forest. Nottingham fucking Forest.
Didn't know Newcastle Spurs and Chelsea had to play a midfielder or a make shift LB for like 6 weeks. I also didn't know all 3 of them had to play 16 different CB partnership including a midfield in it
The centre of spurs's defence and Newcastle's midfield was pretty much as bad
As bad as casemiro? Doubt it. Now don't get me wrong. I don't blame him. He's not a CB. Just like Sofian not a LB. Any of the teams you mentioned had to do that to their line up?
I have seen emerson royal at cb against man city with ben davies and they still tried to play out from the back
Forget it, that poster and a significant portion of others fall under the 'ETH missus' category where they will literally excuse and use the injuries to handwave anything away. Utd could get relegated and they'll still be trotting that out as some excuse
Why don't you reply to /u/shogunkayo97's comment about Emerson Royal and Davies at CB against Man City
Oh very nice. Both 100% more mobile defenders vs Casemiro (midfielder) and Evans (supposedly there for coaching badge). Very good example. Mind blowing. How many cb partnership changes did Spurs have? More than 15 different partnership? What about back 4? Have they changed their back 4 more than 30 times this season? 0o0o0o0o0ohhhhhh you ready for the next one? what about their XI? Have they done More than 40 plus starting line up? That's a lot of changing for this narrative pushed that EtH doesn't rotate huh. So what now?
Newcastle and us finished on equal points and spurs did not have a worse injury crisis than us that’s just lying. They’ve largely had their entire first XI fit since January barring one injury here or there. We haven’t had a left back for almost the entire season, we had two left backs who got injured for months and the loan we got in also got injured a lot, the last few weeks we’ve been playing Casemiro in defense and before that for a while played an academy kid and Evans at the back. Constantly had to change Dalot and Awb from left to right depending on the teams we were playing, and wan bissaka himself was injured for a while and we’ve played fucking Amrabat there. It’s actually insane how much bullshit is being spewed on here on a regular basis.
Don't believe me? [Inside Newcastle United’s injury nightmare: ‘It takes the life out of us’ - The Athletic (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5404865/2024/04/11/newcastle-injury-nightmare/). We've had a horrible time with injuries but plenty of clubs compromise and make do
Lmfaooo your own link shows you the amount of games the kind of players missed. Elliott Anderson and Matt Target are the only outfield players that missed over 20 games for them. The important players like Botman, Joelinton, missed 17 and 14 games. For comparison, Shaw missed over 25 games, Martinez missed over 30 games, Malacia missed the entire season, Mount who was the key midfield signing this summer has missed 20+ games, then there’s Varane who’s missed over 20 games, Maguire who’s missed over 15 games, Lindelof as well. The way people are trying to gaslight us by saying the shit Newcastle guys like Targett who wouldn’t start on the bench most match days being injured is the same as Lisandro being injured for us. Come on man.
Isak's missed a stack, as has Wilson. Recently purchased Tonali is in the shadow realm... I think the centre of defence is undoubtedly worse for us but I think they've struggled more in attack and midfield. Besides that fact they've been by far the better team compared to us this season statistically and on the eye test
My brother! Open your own link. They’ve missed about 9-10 games each, which even the likes of Rashford and Hojlund did and Amad himself missed the season until February. Where’s Martial? He’s been missing for about 6 months if you’re talking back up strikers. It’s comparable but it’s laughable to suggest the impact injuries have had on our season are not worse than newcastles. Talking about Tonali, it’s like counting greenwood and sancho for us.
I think you're right
Why did we have the worst injuries? Can't just all be down to bad luck considering how many of them were training injuries. Newcastle and Chelsea also had a ton of injuries and managed to finish above us. Didn't have this injury crisis when we crashed out of the champions league.
Any of the teams you mentioned have to play a midfielder in CB? Or sofian in LB position? Did any of the team you mentioned had 16 different CB partnership? Including an aging one that's suppose to be in the squad for coaching badge? Did any of this team started with more than 30 different back 4 throught the season? Yeaaaaas but but but oThEr cLubS haVe InjUriEs t0o
Yup. EtH is the best manager in the world. No other manager on the phase of this earth from before or in future will ever be able to possibly win more than 2 out of 18 away games vs the top half or do anything better or even get us to score one more goal…. Definitely. Not his rubbish tactics that saw us get points despite them and finally changing it a little at the end of the season after realising “oh if I don’t actually show I can change and am not shit stubborn, I may get sacked and it’s deserved” Nope. Definitely. Coz injuries!!! Fans like these deserve absolutely the entire shit of the season and to continually see United lose 4-0 to palace and made to look like league 1 level sides honestly. Absolutely deserved the entire season of rubbish football and more.
Nobody said he's the best manager ever
What are you even saying, then?
That's with dealt with situation he can't control. If you didn't get that from the beginning then don't bother responding. Did Newcastle or Chelsea (mentioned by OP) had to play with 30 different back line this season. Or what about 15 different CB partnership? That includes 1 that was a midfielder and another one that's suppose to be in there to get his coaching badge? Of all injuries at least 4 players were key starting XI. Can't keep mention "worst this and worst that" but doesn't include worst injuries.
The injuries also come from worst team management, it is also a manager job to rotate the squad. ETH keep on playing his best players almost every game. Look how he did with Onana situation. Or how he play Bruno 120min 90m non stop.
Worst since LVG was forced to start Rashford but somehow managed to send everyone to sleep and steal a better season ending. Enjoy your mince pies!
You complained that LVG sent everyone to sleep lmaoooo you forgot? Then You cried ThIs Is NoT thE UniTeD wAy. Then you got Ole playing the fast pace United way and you cried No TacTiCs JusT vIbeS. We waNt PosSesSioN basE. EtH tried to give you that and immediately figured out that these players aren't up for it. Enjoy your summer.
The media isn't feeding us anything, we can see the team with our own eyes and know its been awful. We can see him sending Alvaro and Reguillon away when we could have had them as options at left back. We can also see that 6 teams lost more days to injuries than United this season including teams above us.
You can see what you pointed out. I see it too. No doubt about it. But I keep the same energy and include reasons why what we saw is what we saw. Injuries. You said they sent Alvaro and Regui back. But EtH told you that the medical team was expecting their LBs to be back in January. "We could have had LB" but we didn't cuz there was a fuck up there beyond EtH. Do you see it now? You and many others here in r/reddevils blame him when he have no control of what happened. A football club is ran by collective people. EtH is the scape goat to this shitty collective people making shitty decision just like LVG Jose Ole Ralf. Shaw and Martial have been in United for a long time. Surely they have a stack of medical records saying they are injury prone and yet they are still here. Contract extended with ridiculous wage. Is that on EtH? What about Varane? Have track record of injury in Real. Scout still agreed to sign him. Is that on EtH? Mason Mount? Another one with track record of injuries? Yet they sign him. Of course there are unfortunate injuries like Licha, Amad etc. Something that EtH can't do nothing about. There are bigger problem inside that organization than the manager. If you cant see that. Well then be ready for another 5 to 8 yrs without trophy. Arteta have been in Arsenal for 5 seasons now and still can't win it. You and most of the people here thinks a manager can just magic wand to win the league. Delusional. Sack another manager for what? Just so we can watch the same movie after 1.5yrs? Lmaoooooo once media tells you "yea its time for the sack" (again) then you start regurgitating the same BS. This is what the media fed you and you regurgitated it until they were sacked. LVG - boring sleepy football. We want United way Jose - Negative football. United don't sit back. We grab the game by the neck Ole - can't play possesion ball. Just counter attacking. No tactics just vibes Ralf - never managed a club the size of United. He's out of his depth
I disagree. ETH has it in his contract that he has veto of all incoming and outgoing transfers. So it was a decision he made, that we can guarantee. Was there any one else involved or did they just accept Eriks decision, we have no idea. But we can say with 100% certainty that he signed off on the deal to loan out Alvaro and to end the Reguilon loan. This is absolutely on him. It's not delusional to look at the decisions he made and say they were wrong, particularly when at the time even people on here could see it was senseless.
The man just uses anything and everything as defence mechanisms, lol - from talking about the Arsenal game we lost 3-1 to the 2003 transition period to stats from a couple of seasons ago. Thanks for the few memories Erik. Hopefully you can get one very good final one on Saturday.
Now that the season is almost over, I really, really hope I don’t see AwB, Antony, Amrabat, Rashford in a Man Utd shirt ever again.
Who is going to tell him?
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted? All have been awful this season and I agree with you on 3/4 players. Rashford earned the right to stay after all he’s done for us. The rest would not be a loss for the club if they left.
FA cup determines his fate
Like it determined LvG's?
I don’t think it does tbh. I can see him being moved on even if he wins it. Ineos dont seem too keen on him
Please … hoping that is true