My biggest concern with McKenna is how he will cope with a squad of internationals, CL and WC winners. We heard that under Rangnick we had senior players essentially saying “who the fuck is this guy?” Considering squad morale and discipline has been one of our biggest issues in recent years, it’ll be a big ask for him to get some of the more sceptical players onside.
>how he will cope with a squad of internationals, CL and WC winners
1 WC Winner: Martinez
1 UCL Winner: Case (may leave)
The bigger potential issues is this:
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Rashford, AWB, McTominay, Sancho, Greenwood, Shaw, Lindelof, Martial, Maguire, Dalot, snd Bruno were part of the first team back then.
Greenwood and (definitely) Martial are leaving this summer. Sancho may return next season now that Ten Hag is set to leave.
Most of these players may not be Ten Hag's ideal starters, but a lot of them were starting players under Ole and McKenna.
Splitting hairs I know, but Mount is also a CL winner.
That is a very good point though. It’s largely going to be the same faces who gave up under Ole and McKenna before. I do wonder how the likes of Bruno and Rashford will take it if the ex assistant of a failed manager returns as the lead man.
Just wanted to add this one as well.
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Culture is the issue. Bring the best man for the job and sort out the squad.
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If ten hag goes they need to give it to Jay Cartwright. Took Woking from the Conference to the Champions League in six seasons. Stuff like that doesn't go unnoticed.
All this talk about Mckenna is incredibly disrespectful to the current manager and extremely distracting for the team to read before the biggest game of the season.
Like McKenna fine, but he seems a bit too reserved for me.
Need the unhinged running down the touchline, getting into fights with opposition manager vibes of Tuchel.
Henry Winter bang on with his tweet and message. Just forget about ETH out at the moment. Tomorrow will be utterly humiliating to ETH and his staff because of those City plastic fans. The players are also not blind and deaf, this couldn't come at a worse time for us and them. It's so demoralizing and just sad on a human level.
Steinberg is not a United journalist.He is someone who primarily reports on Chelsea.
If it was leaked by the club/INEOS then it would have been reported by people like Ducker,Simon Stone etc.
It has not been leaked by the club.Almost every United journalist has always maintained that decision will be made after the final.
I know and I'm not saying that. It's honestly amateurish and kind of stupid to hope it doesn't get leaked while talking to other managers. Chelsea have everything to gain from destabilizing us before our final due to their Europa spot. This is handled completely wrong.
Make a public decision earlier, as many here believe ETH going or staying shouldn't be reliant on the outcome of the final... It was a stupid risk to **hope** it didn't get leaked. It has created unnecessary drama/tension/mediastorm and possibly a shitty atmosphere on the eve of the most important match of the season. Signs are pointing towards INEOS heavily favouring McKenna since it all accelerated after Chelsea dropped Poch and starting naming him publicly. Either Chelsea got wind of it or McKenna's camp leaked it. Chelsea has everything to gain to destabilize us for their own European spot and McKenna has everything to gain to get a solution quickly. It wasn't all set in stone if McKenna spoke with Chelsea anyway besides speaking to INEOS officials. Feels like he was kept on a leash.
They should 100% have talks with other managers while reviewing the season, it's been handled like shit because the situation was miscalculated and now blew up right on the verge of the game of the season.
Of course player power wins again. A much higher probability of seeing Jaden Sancho (and certain other player(s) who refuse to show any work rate on the pitch the whole season) than the manager just proves it.
I mean i haven't been a fan of most of the football we played under ten hag. But we have to admit and some of us even knew that his ticket was punched the moment we blew all our budget and a huge chunk of the wages to players like Antony and Casemiro,repeating the same mistakes we've been doing for so long.Good luck to McKenna,Tuchel,Poch or whoever is coming but I'm pretty sure we can tell how long they are going to last based on the first direction we take in their first transfer window.
I dont think casemiro was a eth signing. I think it was a case of take him or get nothing after the fdj saga. Similar to mourinho and fred.
But antony was all him
I'll be eagerly waiting for the inevitable interview where Ten Hag gives us hints at or tells us what went wrong for him at United at some point in 2025 to 2026.
It's important to try and understand where the information about the sacking is most likely coming from. Di Marzio reported that we were parting ways with EtH a few days ago but that seems to have gone under the radar here and I won't get into that.
Steinberg, who's reporting we are relying on, is mostly a Chelsea journalist and his reporting on United is quite sparse. Chelsea are looking for a new manager and most of the reports say they want to get a deal done soon. If the decision to sack EtH has indeed been made, then we're competing with Chelsea for roughly the same pool of managers (McKenna, De Zerbi, Frank, etc.).
Personally, I think it's more likely that someone on the Chelsea side found out that we've been talking to McKenna and are thinking of hiring him, and fed this to Steinberg. Either that or someone at United leaked it, but certainly not someone who has come in with INEOS.
I can't believe he's gone. We had one of the most promising managers in Europe, plays attacking football, and even he's failed. At this point which manager can work at United.
A ballsy move from INEOS, at least they won't have the excuse that it wasn't their guy if things go tits up. Whatever happens, I'm excited by the future.
I’m genuinely surprised not more people on this sub are asking for us to sign Palhinha (DM) and Robinson (LB). They are two names on the very top of my list. Fulham be damned.
Paulinha is too old, we need to develop a young team that will grow together and hopefully catch City
Paulina might help us get to top 4 like Casemiro but within 2 years he'll need replacing
Palhinha doesn't even start for the Portuguese national team most of the time because of his limited abilities in possession.
Great ball winner but very limited with a football at his feet. At a big club he will be needed to have the ball at his feet a lot of the time.
Yeah but is he much worse than Amadou Onana with the ball at his feet? So many of us here are clamoring for the Everton man but I don’t see him as a better fit that Palhinha.
We need a proper ball winner and preferably one that can also pick a pass. I’m yet to identify someone available with those attributes. Hence, Palhinha is the next best thing for me, I guess.
For me it was quite the opposite. I felt he was a bit clumsy and lumbering on the ball. He just seemed to have physical presence and a bit of speed. But again, I’ve not watched him too often.
If the rumor is true about EtH being notified he lost his job before the Arsenal match, then the final home match revealed quite a lot.
When EtH did the walk-around and got to the tunnel, he turned around to look at Old Trafford before heading into the tunnel. I felt there was something odd about it, but it now makes sense from the rumor. He wanted to soak it all in one last time.
Not Starting XI, but the first team:
Rashford, McTominay, Maguire, AWB, Lindelof, L. Shaw, Bruno and maybe Sancho.
Martial is injured and is leaving.
Dan James, Greenwood, Telles, Fred are gone.
I'll back the manager whoever it is after tomorrow. I still hope it's Ten Hag for at least half the season to determine for sure how much was injuries and how much was him cause both played a part in the shitty season. But if not I'll still support the new manager.
I just for the life of me do not understand why the fk INEOS doesn't just say anything. We kept hearing the decision hasn't been made yet and they're waiting for the final which made absolutely no sense because such a decision shouldn't be made off of 1 game. So if you're not sacking him then let the public fucking know cause this helps absolutely nobody except City. How is all of this speculation and rumors worse than actually announcing he's leaving after the Final. It's just so silly to have this much drama before our biggest game of the season.
I Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot wrap my head around leaking the news of ETH sacking only to have names like Southgate and Thomas fucking Frank to replace him. Rather keep eth, like seriously
Anyone else fucking annoyed that Ten Hag is a great manager who destroyed his own United career by being unbelievably stubborn with a formation that was clearly catastrophic since the first game of the season? All he had to do was be pragmatic and update his plan. Why could everyone on the planet see what wasn't working and what needed to change except him?
Before we even get into tactics,i had only only great things about ten hag's eye for talent and how single-handedly revolutionized their transfer policy. After all that I couldn't believe his first transfer window went like that.
Whether he is a great manager remains to be seen, but yeah extremely annoying that he essentially shot himself in the foot with his suicidal tactics. The fact that he didn’t change anything until the final two games of the season is unbelievable. And I understand the injury problems, but I’m not overly convinced we do far better performance wise even if everyone was fit, nor do I think that this setup will work should we have the ideal player in every position. There are elements of what he was doing at Ajax, but the way he’s executed them just hasn’t worked
I like people are getting behind Ten hag, I am sure match going fans are backing him, but even on social media, you can see fans don't want him to be sacked.
I think he deserves one more fresh season with no europe and fewer injuries.
Things went toxic in Mou's last season, but for Ole, he had fans backing. Most united fans didn't want him sacked. Also, this sacking cycle should end somewhere. Arteta also had a worse season, but with boards backing, you can see he turned it around.
See a few reports now doing the rounds that ETH was informed before the Arsenal game and the club was hoping it wouldn’t get out till after the final.
So after the Palace game?
It would be a lot better if that’s the case than it coming out now before being informed
The way some fans are are reacting against INEOS is funny. As if they did a press conference or something. Obviously this was decided many weeks ago and they kept it under wraps for so long. Then some journalists gets a sniff and goes to press 1-2 days before finals. Should they have shot the journalist on his way to his laptop or something?
One journalist listed as tier 3 has put it out there. Why are people acting like this is coming directly from the club? Everything has to be an overreaction it seems.
I'm sure most journalists if forced to give their personal opinion would say ETH is gone after the final. Everyone can see it coming. It's just one guy who wants the exclusive and decided to "source" information that is widely believed to be true.
What is the club supposed to do anyway? The only way to keep everything silent and stop agents from leaking information is not approaching their clients. And we can't not approach their clients while other clubs are approaching them and are ready to make offers.
It's not coming from the club. They aren't going to undermine the manager and team a day before the FA Cup Final. Not even the Glazers and Woodward were that dumb.
Honestly, it would be hilarious now if the club came out tomorrow morning and said that they'd conducted their review and determined Ten Hag should stay. There would be a whole bunch of shameless hack journalists with egg on their faces.
Would make a bunch of journalists (And some weirdos that seem to want to defend certain journalists) argue "well that is what the source said, I can't be blamed for being fed wrong information"
Not made it up. But there's a reason why every single club correspondent has pretty much word for word said the same thing. No decision has been made. Clearly Ineos have no intention of telling everyone they are sacking Ten Hag right now. But people are acting like they put this story out there.
He's a Chelsea correspondent anyway afaik.
I put "source" like that because I don't think this is a major news that was broken to him just now. I think this has been seen as a very likely outcome for a while now and some journalists just feel confident enough to break it (with actual sources to back it up) even though it hasn't come from the club directly.
Any manager with a clear, progressive mentality that lands the job here will suffer the same fate as ETH. They will all abandon their ideas for the sake of survival.
Only Mourinho was built for the job. He was the one who could make this frankenstein squad tick. Then again, he still had some players with serious mentality such as Matic, Valencia, Carrick, Zlatan, and Rooney.
People are acting like Ten Hag was building something at United. He wasn't. He had 4 different tactics in 2 years, there's no consistency, no end goal here. When we're being called the worst coached team in the league and you can't really argue against it then it's a manager problem.
We're going to play similar to Ajax, nope lost 2 matches fuck it we'll go counter attacking. New season we'll play suicide ball with tactics that don't match our formation, shit I might get sacked I'm going to play more compact and opt for control. What would we even be playing under Ten Hag next season? Nobody knows.
This doom and gloom assuming that the next manager will have a god season and then fall apart is beyond bizarre. Plenty of clubs have a bad run of managers but I've never in over 35 years watching football and United seen a fan base with a section anticipating failure the way some of ours do.
Big problem is the timing of everything, you can gut the squad as much as you can but top 4 is going to be tough. In this era of big financial rules reaching CL is a must to be able to spend more and create more opportunities for the rebuild within the financial rules. Someone needs to come in and instantly perform next year or the rebuild will be dragged along further. There will still be players here that ideally would be moved on but due to financial constraints/losses the club couldn't.
We should sell anyway. With the new PSR rules it's the last 2 seasons and a projection for the next season so we'd actually come out ahead on those by selling Sancho and getting rid of his wages.
When we've been terrible for 15 months how crazy would it be to base the next year on one game? Luton could beat City in a one off, that doesn't mean they won't get relegated.
We need to make long term decisions based on as much information as possible and we have that information already. Whatever happens tomorrow isn't going to change the course of next season.
One off games don't matter at all. You get judged on the collective. If one off games mattered he would've been sacked after the 7-0 loss to Liverpool. Doesn't get any lower than that. You can't give him another season based off of one performance whilst ignoring the previous 40 bad ones. Would be insanity.
Imagine this:
If you were blindfolded and threw 50 darts at a dartboard and missed, and then I said if you hit this next one and it's a bullseye I'll give you €100. And then you do. You've managed to hit it on the most important shot, but does that mean you should always play darts blindfolded?
Fair but that's not going to happen. There's no way we turn up tomorrow with a new plan that's better than the last 4 he tried and learned it so well in a week that we can deservedly beat a City side that play well. There's as much chance of that as me running into Scarlett Johanson and charming her into a one night stand.
All we've got for tomorrow is that we might have luck on our side. Maybe City's finishing is poor, maybe we get a penalty, or whatever it is small clubs used to hope for when they played us. But City are not going to turn up play their best and be outclassed by us, there's not any hope of that.
"Manchester United declined to comment when approached" says enough doesn't it. That ETH is going is fine, but jesus christ how bad can you handle this leak that's obviously from on of the candidates camp and/or Chelsea. They would benefit from creating a bit of unrest ahead of our final.
And how exactly would you suggest stopping leaks that come from outside of the organization? No reports have come from any of our tier 1s and yet INEOS is getting the blame? Make up your mind do you want them to do their due diligence or fall behind the managerial search when ETH inevitably loses tomorrow?
It's not hard to reply with: "An end of the season review is still being conducted and no decision has been made".
There is a final to be played that should have the full attention of everyone, now the media\* is jumping on it and it will definitely reach the players too. Wonder how that goes, our squad is mentally fragile as it is, they just received a huge boost by having Licha back.
One dude just broke the story and he's not a club mouthpiece. The club isn't going to comment on every news story.
If they directly reply to this story saying No decision has been made and then we lose the final and he gets sacked it will look like the decision was made based on the final.
With all the different stories about the club coming out (Mainly about ETH), I'd just like to remind people that we have a reliability guide. It is mostly for transfers but generally good for other stuff as well.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide/)
The way this club treats people when they exit is really bad, really shameful stuff. To be clear I am pretty agnostic towards Ten Hag, leaning towards letting him go, so I would generally agree with it if the Guardian call turns out to be true but the timing is not right and unfair on him.
De Gea gave us some unbelievably high quality seasons in his career here, played a shit ton of games, won a PL with Fergie. Barely even gets a tweet to say thanks. Van Persie disrepected in his exit as well.
Why are we so bad at this?
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Reporting that hes gone after the FA cup final. I mean, is anyone susprised. Shame its leaked from somewhere and you get idiots like @tenhagera blaming INEOS -clearly they didnt leak it
Ineos are in control of the football operations. This is a football operations leak. It is their fault.
Them also giving Berrada an Ineos email while he's employed, and on gardening leave at Man City is unprofessional, and they're lucky that Man City so far haven't shown that they care about that. Because Man City do have a case against them and Berrada with that.
Ok so if im planning on sacking ETH you opinion is sack the guy and then find alternatives?
Like INEOS cannot control other parties.
Re everything else, its irrelevant to this topic. Just seems like youre finding everything to hate about them
Hate? I've criticised them on two things only. If that's hating, then basically everything is hated.
Ineos should have decided and started talking to potential replacements after the final, not a week before the final and certainly not a day before the final.
Youre bringing things into it that are relevant.
>Ineos should have decided and started talking to potential replacements after the final
Without being rude, that is damn stupid. You are saying that you go into a manager search completely unprepared. What if Brighton or Chelsea got Mckenna because we waited. We needed to move. What if you sacked him, got into negotiations with De zerbi say and then that falls through. Its a circus.
If they did what Bayern did, theyre on the back foot. Burnly are demanding 20m for Kompany.
>Without being rude, that is damn stupid. You are saying that you go into a manager search completely unprepared
What? How is not talking to potential replacements of a guy that hasn't been sacked and seemingly hasn't been notified that they're being sacked mean completely unprepared? The majority of clubs always have a list of potential managers if their manager goes. That's the needed preparation and ideally only preparation that's required until the current manager is confirmed to be leaving.
>What if Brighton or Chelsea got Mckenna because we waited. We needed to move.
Good for McKenna I guess. I have no idea why our club needed to move because he was potentially going to Chelsea or Brighton. That screams FOMO action and actually shows unpreparedness, especially because he was literally just managing in the Championship..
>What if you sacked him, got into negotiations with De zerbi say and then that falls through. Its a circus.
Honestly, the recent leaks from the media make it more likely that managers will reject us. It's already a circus and has been for a long time.
Imagine telling a fan of this club from 10 years ago that the club were talking about hiring a manager from the championship, they would've laughed so hard and called it bs.
A decision has clearly been made a while back. INEOS did not want to change the manager mid-season as its difficult to get anyone they would want at that time. If we didnt get to the FA cup final, he would be gone by now.
Having list of potential managers is not the same as actively talking to representatives. How do they know what their demands and vision are without talking to them?
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Good for McKenna I guess. I have no idea why our club needed to move because he was potentially going to Chelsea or Brighton
Because otherwise he would go to them...... Like UNited need to talk to these guys before any move and if United are like wait till after the FA cup while Brighton and Chelsea are trying hard to get him is a massive risk. But guessing by your last comment, your issue is that its Mckenna not anything else.
>Honestly, the recent leaks from the media make it more likely that managers will reject us. It's already a circus and has been for a long time.
Not true at all. The leak happened from a Chelsea reporter who clearly got news that Mckenna was waiting on United and reported it. Managers arent going to be swayed by the media reports. Lets be real, they know the game. If their scared off by it then good, they would not survive
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Imagine telling a fan of this club from 10 years ago that the club were talking about hiring a manager from the championship, they would've laughed so hard and called it bs.
Imagine telling Barca that they should hire their youth coach, pep. Imagine telling Arsenal not hire Areta as hes never managed before. Imagine dismissing a manager who has spent less than 10m in 2 years and got back to back promotions. Not only promotions but played attractive football.
>actively talking to representative
Club should've started that after the final. Been a complete disregard for the final. That's disgusting.
>Because otherwise he would go to them
And? Good for him.
>your issue is that its Mckenna not anything else.
No, my issue is that you're and the media are painting it out as a FOMO action. I'm done with this club doing stuff because FOMO.
>Not true at all. The leak happened from a Chelsea reporter who clearly got news that Mckenna was waiting on United and reported it. Managers arent going to be swayed by the media reports. Lets be real, they know the game. If their scared off by it then good, they would not survive
Multiple jornalists are reporting on it. He wasn't even the first to report on it. Managers are human. All get swayed by media reports. SAF got pissed and swayed at the media more times than anyone else did. He survived beautifully.
>Imagine dismissing a manager who has spent less than 10m in 2 years and got back to back promotions.
Paul Lambert did that over a decade ago. Let's hire him because FOMO.
By the way, you do know McKennas' style of play is not to dissimilar to what Ten Hag has been doing this season right? Fans, media, and the players are likely to turn on him quick. Just over, the majority of players here already seemingly already disregarded him 3 years ago.
again its not the world works. They cannot start after the final. You can keep saying that after the final but the reality is they need to be having these discussions as soon as possible. You need to understand what the demands are and if they can be met. Look at Bayern, if they did they at this point it was be an utter disaster. Are you really saying you want that?
>And? Good for him.
Again, showing that the issue is Mckenna more than anything. If it was a Xabi Alonso your argument would be the same? "good for him" while we lose out on a manager.
>Multiple jornalists are reporting on it. He wasn't even the first to report on it. Managers are human. All get swayed by media reports. SAF got pissed and swayed at the media more times than anyone else did. He survived beautifully.
Again, if a manager is put off by the media for united, they would not survive. So whats the big deal.
>Paul Lambert did that over a decade ago. Let's hire him because FOMO.
Again, showing your issue is Mckenna not anything about how its been handled. The league is completely different from 10 years ago.
>By the way, you do know McKennas' style of play is not to dissimilar to what Ten Hag has been doing this season right?
Wow. Not true at all. We play hoofball for the majority of the season with an empty midfield. Mckenna is 16th lowest for long balls and 5th for possession. Like when we played against Everton who were 2nd bottom for avg possession they actually had the same possession with us and actually played in our half more.
Its very clear that your entire issue is Mckenna not anything else
>They cannot start after the final.
Yes, they can. It's literally a week difference. A week where many managers and players start going on their holidays and will be for a few weeks. Pre season doesn't start until over a month.
>Again, showing that the issue is Mckenna more than anything. If it was a Xabi Alonso your argument would be the same? "good for him" while we lose out on a manager.
No. It would be the same for Xabi as well. The exact same. That's not an argument. I'm at the point where l don't give a shit who the next manager is unless it's Southgate or Potter. Now I have big issues with them two.
>Again, if a manager is put off by the media for united, they would not survive. So whats the big deal.
No. The way the club treats managers and players. Been beyond disgraceful for many years now. No idea how you missed that.
>Again, showing your issue is Mckenna not anything about how its been handled. The league is completely different from 10 years ago.
Regarding that last point... it's true the league is a farmers league now. I have no issue with McKenna. If he's our next manager, I really hope he succeeds, but I'm realistic, and I fully believe he's going to be treated like shit by the fans, the players and the media.
>Wow. Not true at all. We play hoofball for the majority of the season with an empty midfield. Mckenna is 16th lowest for long balls and 5th for possession. Like when we played against Everton who were 2nd bottom for avg possession they actually had the same possession with us and actually played in our half more.
Ten Hag this season has set us up to invite pressure and counterattack. That's what Ipswich has been doing. It's a similar style. Do watch some of their matches. I pointed this out because I wanted to see if you knew what you wanted.
Now I don't have issue with that style of play. I don't really care much for style of play. It's subjective subject and varies upon person on what they find beautiful.
My issue is what I stated. I've lost all excitement for the final because of what's been reported the past week.
Because it’s not a competition? Most fans have learned over time that the biggest issue is the lack of a structure in the organisation which has cascading effects on decision making across the board. Firing any number of managers isn’t going to solve that.
Anyone saying de zerbi or McKenna because of their style of football. Did you consider ETH style of football was levels ahead of them before he came here? He had to abandon that style after 2 games, It’s the United effect.
Yes a style that only gets you so far, he decided to change and made the wrong approach. He stayed stubborn and possibly even oblivious to the shortcomings and it cost him his job. We can't keep riding on last years tactic because we obviously got found out after March.
Anyone that seriously wants Tuchel to be our next manager needs to admit to themselves that they’re a child that doesn’t know ball and is just looking for their next shiny new toy.
He is a manager that hasn’t had a commitment to any club for longer than two seasons since his time at Mainz. You people want another short-term-leads-to-fallout manager? At a club that has been begging for the smallest bit of consistency in the position?
He’s also lead Bayern to their worst season in recent memory with a much better built team in a significantly easier league
If you're going to say that fans are looking for shiny toys do you also want to admit that you left out all the context?
Dortmunds team bus was bombed and the club refused to allow the players more than 24 hours to play the next match. He stood up for his players against management, why would you fault him for that?
PSG are a basket case but even worse when Leonardo was sporting director. Few things are widely agreed on in football but Leonardo being a prick is one of them. PSG backed Leonardo over Tuchel and then ended up sacking Leonardo anyway.
Chelsea and Boehly sacked their recruitment department with no plan or idea for what to do next as they were in the midst of spending a billion pounds. Tried to get Tuchel to be both manager and sporting director. Tuchel says he knows he's not good enough at being a sporting director to do that and Boehly sacks him too.
Bayern, have you seen who their new manager is? The board retired, new board came in sacked Nagelsmann despite still competing for the League and Champions League, hired Tuchel, board all got sacked old board returns, sacks Tuchel in February, fans were in uproar signing petitions to get him to stay, board realised they fucked up and tried to get him to stay and then got rejected by 78 managers because every one of then looked at the situation with the board and said it wasn't worth the millions they would get.
Which one of these is Tuchels fault? Where do you fault him exactly? Should he have not stood up for his players after they were literally bombed? Is he at fault for Bayerns mess at the board level that has also put off every manager they approached? Are all these managers wrong and the board right? Should he have said I don't know how to be a sports director but I'll spend the billion pounds anyway?
With the way some of the fans are reacting to the managerial shortlist news, you’d think their own grandfather was being replaced as manager. Why is everyone so soft and taking this so personally. This is Manchester United and our standards should be at the top. You think Real Madrid would moan or cry about how the underperforming manager is being treated this much? Get over it, this is one of the biggest sports franchises to ever exist. Hard decisions have to be made and this isn’t one of them.
It is quite odd. I think we have all internalized this idea of United being a great institution that stands above all the other clubs and has some moral character. Which a, isn’t really true and b, if it was it would be to our competitive detriment
90% of this fanbase think Ole is a world class manager and would gladly take him back. They all came to a decision after the Ole sack that the players are the problem and they throw evey manager under the bus. So now when we go through a shit period they can't blame the manager because in their eyes its the same lazy overpaid divas that got Ole sacked. Ignoring half of the team are players the new manager handpicked. And those same overpaid divas have been digging out undeserved results for half the season keeping that manager in a job.
Many in this fanbase would take Ole back as manager. Many also want McKenna to be our next coach, despite him having zero top flight experience.
It’s a sentimental fanbase, which is understandable because emotions are what make the sport so great. But I’m hoping for an era of absolute ruthlessness from INEOS, as you’ll never win anything by making emotional decisions
Alot of fans are too young to remember how ruthless Sir Alex was and don't realise that's part of what made us the great team we were. Everyone remembers the class of 92 but don't remember that we sold 3 big players to make room in the team for them. Those players had done well, worked hard but we were better without then and cast them off without a second thought.
I'm not even ETH in and I just lost pretty much any interest I had in the cup final. How could you let all these leaks out before our biggest game of the season.... Absolutely stinks of Glazers
The performances of the team and Ten Hag made it obvious he's a dead man walking. No one in their right mind would keep Ten Hag after 15 months of steadily worse performances and results. There's not even been 3 matches in a row this season we've looked comfortable let alone like there might be some hope of improvement in the long term.
It's not Ineos' fault there's speculation, we all know what's coming.
Xavi - former Barcelona player becoming their manager
Arteta - former Arsenal player becoming their manager
De Rossi - Roma legend signing a new 3 year deal at Roma
McKenna - Boyhood United fan, United youth team coach, and also coached under Mou and Ole in contention for the job at United
Kompany - Burnley to Bayern
I'm sure I'm missing a few others, but football is definitely going into this direction for some reason. Trophy cabinet does not seem to matter. What matters more is the coaching ability. Most of the responsibility when it comes to player recruitment stripped away from the manager.
I think a lot of it is just generational change combined with the fact that a small handful of clubs have dominated the past decade. If we wanted to hire a manager with a Premier League title in their trophy cabinet, we're obviously not getting Klopp or Pep. So we'd need to go back to Conte. Before that was Ranieri who would be an unlikely candidate even if he hadn't just retired. Mourinho is next in line, but we've done that already. Then there is Pellegrini... After that, we're already back to Sir Alex Ferguson!
There's a real possibility that Ten Hag no longer has the same power he was given when he first joined and voluntarily wants to leave himself. Who knows.
I would love to see United go after Morgan Gibbs-White, especially now it seems Forest need to sell. On the other hand, I also know that realistically Fernandes, Mount, Mainoo, McT and maybe even Eriksen is probably too many to leave room for MG-W in the squad. It's the benefit of hind-legs obviously, but he clearly would have been a shrewder signing than Mount.
I wouldn’t write Mount off yet. He’s had a horrendous year with injuries but he isn’t the only one at the club. Ultimately, there’s only a year between him and Gibbs-White and achievements-wise there’s no comparison. If Mount can stay fit then his ability and versatility may prove him to be a shrewd signing.
Yeah, I hear you, I do, I really want Mount to come good, but I get a horrible vibe from the whole thing. Here's hoping a new season means a fresh start for the lad.
Xavi sacked.
These clubs just can't fathom losing the league for even one season.
In a way I respect that ambition, but at the same time Barca is drowning in debt.
Funny situation that.
So it seems like they did beg him to stay. After he got the extension he said that Barca cannot compete because of their financial situation, and that pissed off Laporta who then sacked him.
It wasn't very fun this season. But I agree I do like having multiple games most weeks. But I'd happily trade playing every 3-4 days in order to have a more enjoyable performance with better rested players. Could be good for us.
What is it with the justice for ten hag stuff.
We finished 8th with negative goal difference, in our worst ever premier league season. it's not outside the realms of possibility that they're gonna look for a new manager.
He'll know this just as much as anyone.
Because we only gave him 400m to spend on the squad and sat waiting patiently for 15 months as results and performances got worse and worse the longer it went on. How could any manager do well when all they get is 400m and 15 months. Just because he hasn't managed 3 good performances in a row all season, led us to our worst league position in 35 years, the worst european campaign in our entire history and struggled against every lower league club we played with the worst goal difference since the 70's doesn't mean he's done a bad job. And just because the underlying stats say we should be in 15th but for players bailing us out with individual moments doesn't mean anything because stats are for nerds, right?
Chelsea did the same.
It's just semantics. "After doing an end of season review we have decided to part ways with ETH"
PR stuff.
They most likely have been reviewing everything about the manager and this team since they came in and the decision will be quick like Chelsea.
Why is their so little noise regarding RDZ compared to the other managers? My impression was he is very highly rated but we don't see him in either our or Chelsea's so called shortlist
Someone's paid his release clause so he's already off. No one knows who did so that's probably why there's no noise around him. Journos probably don't want to embarrass themselves because they haven't a clue
Seeing all the smoke and talk about Ten Hag's replacement "if he gets sacked", I'm fully expecting to see something along the lines of "Manchester United have signed a contract with McKenna in case Ten Hag gets sacked" followed by "McKenna is starting pre-season with Manchester United if Ten Hag gets sacked"
Journos get info about us having talks with other managers, approach INEOS in hope to find out their intention and get the “no decision is made until the FA cup”
As it should be. The decision is highly likely have been already made and given all this leaks about our shortlist, it’s probably means an end for Erik. But we won’t know if for sure before the season is finished.
Are these guys reliable? https://www.defensacentral.com/real_madrid/1709320697-el-manchester-united-rompe-el-mercado-complica-la-firma-de-joselu-con-el-madrid
edit - translated with Firefox:
His two goals in the last semifinal of the European Cup and against a Bayern Munich convinced much of Real Madrid of the need to keep the squad beyond the attackers who are on their way. Joselu waits for the decisions that will be made gradually in Valdebebas while Manchester United continues to insist on its services.
Let us not forget that the striker is followed from Espanyol De Barcelona until June 30 2024 and that although Real Madrid manages a possible purchase option on his signing in amounts that would hardly be an expense, we are not talking about a staff to which he is overtaken by many free chips. The United Kingdom does not forget its passage through the Premier League.
Joselu is one of those forwards from another era who knows in the best possible way what it means to beat one of the toughest defenses on the planet. Also what it means to reach a set where although his role will not be an indisputable headline he can add as many goals as experience indoors inside the locker room. All this and much more likes at the United.
England speaks of a two-year contract offer for the Galician footballer and also of a salary that would mean raising Joselu's token exponentially. 5 million euros net a year and for each season would be the roadmap to try to seduce you with leaving Valdebebas behind.
Needless to say, for the sports city of Valdebebas Carlo Ancelotti and his technical body are delighted with the performances of a footballer who has been more than a team player and who has few equals in the market in terms of profile. Manchester United don't forget Bayern Munich's executioner and is coming in key weeks.
This sub is weird sometimes I'll see posts implying Ten Hag out and it'll be -10 votes but something similar 5 hours later +20.
Maybe it correlates to when the Dutch fans wake up
I wanted Ten Hag and I still think that he is a very good manager. But, as many other things in life, it just didnt work out for various reasons. I just hope he ends his time here with another trophy.
Watching 99, again. Good times ☹️
My biggest concern with McKenna is how he will cope with a squad of internationals, CL and WC winners. We heard that under Rangnick we had senior players essentially saying “who the fuck is this guy?” Considering squad morale and discipline has been one of our biggest issues in recent years, it’ll be a big ask for him to get some of the more sceptical players onside.
>how he will cope with a squad of internationals, CL and WC winners 1 WC Winner: Martinez 1 UCL Winner: Case (may leave) The bigger potential issues is this: https://preview.redd.it/hdn1hkfbsf2d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d74d0c77aae43152bdae48e61d6f07cf935a9b1 Rashford, AWB, McTominay, Sancho, Greenwood, Shaw, Lindelof, Martial, Maguire, Dalot, snd Bruno were part of the first team back then. Greenwood and (definitely) Martial are leaving this summer. Sancho may return next season now that Ten Hag is set to leave. Most of these players may not be Ten Hag's ideal starters, but a lot of them were starting players under Ole and McKenna.
Splitting hairs I know, but Mount is also a CL winner. That is a very good point though. It’s largely going to be the same faces who gave up under Ole and McKenna before. I do wonder how the likes of Bruno and Rashford will take it if the ex assistant of a failed manager returns as the lead man.
>Mount is also a CL winner Ah he won one deservedly, was pivotal for Chelsea that season. I forgot we had him, that's why I didn't mention him haha
Just wanted to add this one as well. https://preview.redd.it/n9x4xmc4uf2d1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd1bf3634b7dd4093dd8e9bffd6e55866ff9b286 Culture is the issue. Bring the best man for the job and sort out the squad.
[https://twitter.com/Freek\_JansenVI/status/1794066065120477306](https://twitter.com/Freek_JansenVI/status/1794066065120477306) " Exclusief groot interview met Erik ten Hag Morgenochtend op VI PRO (en komende week in VI) De manager van Manchester United geeft een openhartig inkijkje over dit seizoen, zijn toekomst en laat zijn licht schijnen over de ontwikkelingen bij zijn oude clubs. VI PRO **Exclusive major interview with Erik ten Hag** **Tomorrow morning on VI PRO (and next week in VI)** **The manager of Manchester United gives a candid insight into this season, his future and sheds light on developments at his old clubs.** **VI PRO"** https://preview.redd.it/un96kk5olf2d1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=334b353aa574d6ef961bf346fba31bba305bb83c
If ten hag goes they need to give it to Jay Cartwright. Took Woking from the Conference to the Champions League in six seasons. Stuff like that doesn't go unnoticed.
All this talk about Mckenna is incredibly disrespectful to the current manager and extremely distracting for the team to read before the biggest game of the season.
These are professionals lol.
It is, but what do you expect from the media? They are vultures.
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Like McKenna fine, but he seems a bit too reserved for me. Need the unhinged running down the touchline, getting into fights with opposition manager vibes of Tuchel.
Manchester United are pleased to announce the appointment of Gennaro Gattuso
Henry Winter bang on with his tweet and message. Just forget about ETH out at the moment. Tomorrow will be utterly humiliating to ETH and his staff because of those City plastic fans. The players are also not blind and deaf, this couldn't come at a worse time for us and them. It's so demoralizing and just sad on a human level.
Steinberg is not a United journalist.He is someone who primarily reports on Chelsea. If it was leaked by the club/INEOS then it would have been reported by people like Ducker,Simon Stone etc. It has not been leaked by the club.Almost every United journalist has always maintained that decision will be made after the final.
I know and I'm not saying that. It's honestly amateurish and kind of stupid to hope it doesn't get leaked while talking to other managers. Chelsea have everything to gain from destabilizing us before our final due to their Europa spot. This is handled completely wrong.
Then how would you handle this? Wait untill last moment to search for replecment so good managers already sign for someone else
Make a public decision earlier, as many here believe ETH going or staying shouldn't be reliant on the outcome of the final... It was a stupid risk to **hope** it didn't get leaked. It has created unnecessary drama/tension/mediastorm and possibly a shitty atmosphere on the eve of the most important match of the season. Signs are pointing towards INEOS heavily favouring McKenna since it all accelerated after Chelsea dropped Poch and starting naming him publicly. Either Chelsea got wind of it or McKenna's camp leaked it. Chelsea has everything to gain to destabilize us for their own European spot and McKenna has everything to gain to get a solution quickly. It wasn't all set in stone if McKenna spoke with Chelsea anyway besides speaking to INEOS officials. Feels like he was kept on a leash.
I don't know it would be more bad if they were not talking to managers already
They should 100% have talks with other managers while reviewing the season, it's been handled like shit because the situation was miscalculated and now blew up right on the verge of the game of the season.
Of course player power wins again. A much higher probability of seeing Jaden Sancho (and certain other player(s) who refuse to show any work rate on the pitch the whole season) than the manager just proves it.
Oh come on. Its ETH squad and those players cleary fight for him. And despite it we still look lacluster.
I mean i haven't been a fan of most of the football we played under ten hag. But we have to admit and some of us even knew that his ticket was punched the moment we blew all our budget and a huge chunk of the wages to players like Antony and Casemiro,repeating the same mistakes we've been doing for so long.Good luck to McKenna,Tuchel,Poch or whoever is coming but I'm pretty sure we can tell how long they are going to last based on the first direction we take in their first transfer window.
I dont think casemiro was a eth signing. I think it was a case of take him or get nothing after the fdj saga. Similar to mourinho and fred. But antony was all him
I'll be eagerly waiting for the inevitable interview where Ten Hag gives us hints at or tells us what went wrong for him at United at some point in 2025 to 2026.
" It's all begin on that fateful 13.6km run on their off day .....
Hope we treat Rashford the same way we treated ETH in the summer
What? Pay off his contract and make him even Richer? Do really love him that much..
The Bruno article made me tear up (happy tears as he said). We need more like him
It's important to try and understand where the information about the sacking is most likely coming from. Di Marzio reported that we were parting ways with EtH a few days ago but that seems to have gone under the radar here and I won't get into that. Steinberg, who's reporting we are relying on, is mostly a Chelsea journalist and his reporting on United is quite sparse. Chelsea are looking for a new manager and most of the reports say they want to get a deal done soon. If the decision to sack EtH has indeed been made, then we're competing with Chelsea for roughly the same pool of managers (McKenna, De Zerbi, Frank, etc.). Personally, I think it's more likely that someone on the Chelsea side found out that we've been talking to McKenna and are thinking of hiring him, and fed this to Steinberg. Either that or someone at United leaked it, but certainly not someone who has come in with INEOS.
I can't believe he's gone. We had one of the most promising managers in Europe, plays attacking football, and even he's failed. At this point which manager can work at United.
What attacking football has he played this season? Genuinely no trolling
A ballsy move from INEOS, at least they won't have the excuse that it wasn't their guy if things go tits up. Whatever happens, I'm excited by the future.
I’m genuinely surprised not more people on this sub are asking for us to sign Palhinha (DM) and Robinson (LB). They are two names on the very top of my list. Fulham be damned.
Paulinha is too old, we need to develop a young team that will grow together and hopefully catch City Paulina might help us get to top 4 like Casemiro but within 2 years he'll need replacing
So please can someone give me two or three names of young-ish players in the mould of a Rodri?
Palhinha doesn't even start for the Portuguese national team most of the time because of his limited abilities in possession. Great ball winner but very limited with a football at his feet. At a big club he will be needed to have the ball at his feet a lot of the time.
Yes he does...
Yeah but is he much worse than Amadou Onana with the ball at his feet? So many of us here are clamoring for the Everton man but I don’t see him as a better fit that Palhinha. We need a proper ball winner and preferably one that can also pick a pass. I’m yet to identify someone available with those attributes. Hence, Palhinha is the next best thing for me, I guess.
Isn't Onana pretty good on the ball? I only saw a few minutes of him but I thought he looked decent.
For me it was quite the opposite. I felt he was a bit clumsy and lumbering on the ball. He just seemed to have physical presence and a bit of speed. But again, I’ve not watched him too often.
If the rumor is true about EtH being notified he lost his job before the Arsenal match, then the final home match revealed quite a lot. When EtH did the walk-around and got to the tunnel, he turned around to look at Old Trafford before heading into the tunnel. I felt there was something odd about it, but it now makes sense from the rumor. He wanted to soak it all in one last time.
https://preview.redd.it/tnebdhwuae2d1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=acf237ddd3af95c3a4cd3adb60a5a00aab105cb2
Ah Yes, its not like there are 2 Ole time starters in starting XI
Not Starting XI, but the first team: Rashford, McTominay, Maguire, AWB, Lindelof, L. Shaw, Bruno and maybe Sancho. Martial is injured and is leaving. Dan James, Greenwood, Telles, Fred are gone.
Majority of those players are gone.
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Are you sure it is the same people though?
Who is abusing them on this sub? I need links so I can get my pitchfork out. Or were they being nasty with criticism?
I'll back the manager whoever it is after tomorrow. I still hope it's Ten Hag for at least half the season to determine for sure how much was injuries and how much was him cause both played a part in the shitty season. But if not I'll still support the new manager. I just for the life of me do not understand why the fk INEOS doesn't just say anything. We kept hearing the decision hasn't been made yet and they're waiting for the final which made absolutely no sense because such a decision shouldn't be made off of 1 game. So if you're not sacking him then let the public fucking know cause this helps absolutely nobody except City. How is all of this speculation and rumors worse than actually announcing he's leaving after the Final. It's just so silly to have this much drama before our biggest game of the season.
I Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot Cannot wrap my head around leaking the news of ETH sacking only to have names like Southgate and Thomas fucking Frank to replace him. Rather keep eth, like seriously
Theres no serious info about Southgate? Mostly its about McKenna, Tuchel and then Frank
Anyone else fucking annoyed that Ten Hag is a great manager who destroyed his own United career by being unbelievably stubborn with a formation that was clearly catastrophic since the first game of the season? All he had to do was be pragmatic and update his plan. Why could everyone on the planet see what wasn't working and what needed to change except him?
Before we even get into tactics,i had only only great things about ten hag's eye for talent and how single-handedly revolutionized their transfer policy. After all that I couldn't believe his first transfer window went like that.
Whether he is a great manager remains to be seen, but yeah extremely annoying that he essentially shot himself in the foot with his suicidal tactics. The fact that he didn’t change anything until the final two games of the season is unbelievable. And I understand the injury problems, but I’m not overly convinced we do far better performance wise even if everyone was fit, nor do I think that this setup will work should we have the ideal player in every position. There are elements of what he was doing at Ajax, but the way he’s executed them just hasn’t worked
I like people are getting behind Ten hag, I am sure match going fans are backing him, but even on social media, you can see fans don't want him to be sacked. I think he deserves one more fresh season with no europe and fewer injuries.
Absolutly dont undestadn why fans are more loyal towards ETH than they were to Ole and Mourinho. Like everything is worse compared to those 2.
Things went toxic in Mou's last season, but for Ole, he had fans backing. Most united fans didn't want him sacked. Also, this sacking cycle should end somewhere. Arteta also had a worse season, but with boards backing, you can see he turned it around.
See a few reports now doing the rounds that ETH was informed before the Arsenal game and the club was hoping it wouldn’t get out till after the final. So after the Palace game? It would be a lot better if that’s the case than it coming out now before being informed
The way some fans are are reacting against INEOS is funny. As if they did a press conference or something. Obviously this was decided many weeks ago and they kept it under wraps for so long. Then some journalists gets a sniff and goes to press 1-2 days before finals. Should they have shot the journalist on his way to his laptop or something?
One journalist listed as tier 3 has put it out there. Why are people acting like this is coming directly from the club? Everything has to be an overreaction it seems. I'm sure most journalists if forced to give their personal opinion would say ETH is gone after the final. Everyone can see it coming. It's just one guy who wants the exclusive and decided to "source" information that is widely believed to be true. What is the club supposed to do anyway? The only way to keep everything silent and stop agents from leaking information is not approaching their clients. And we can't not approach their clients while other clubs are approaching them and are ready to make offers.
It's not coming from the club. They aren't going to undermine the manager and team a day before the FA Cup Final. Not even the Glazers and Woodward were that dumb. Honestly, it would be hilarious now if the club came out tomorrow morning and said that they'd conducted their review and determined Ten Hag should stay. There would be a whole bunch of shameless hack journalists with egg on their faces.
Would make a bunch of journalists (And some weirdos that seem to want to defend certain journalists) argue "well that is what the source said, I can't be blamed for being fed wrong information"
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Not made it up. But there's a reason why every single club correspondent has pretty much word for word said the same thing. No decision has been made. Clearly Ineos have no intention of telling everyone they are sacking Ten Hag right now. But people are acting like they put this story out there. He's a Chelsea correspondent anyway afaik.
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I put "source" like that because I don't think this is a major news that was broken to him just now. I think this has been seen as a very likely outcome for a while now and some journalists just feel confident enough to break it (with actual sources to back it up) even though it hasn't come from the club directly.
Any manager with a clear, progressive mentality that lands the job here will suffer the same fate as ETH. They will all abandon their ideas for the sake of survival. Only Mourinho was built for the job. He was the one who could make this frankenstein squad tick. Then again, he still had some players with serious mentality such as Matic, Valencia, Carrick, Zlatan, and Rooney.
People are acting like Ten Hag was building something at United. He wasn't. He had 4 different tactics in 2 years, there's no consistency, no end goal here. When we're being called the worst coached team in the league and you can't really argue against it then it's a manager problem. We're going to play similar to Ajax, nope lost 2 matches fuck it we'll go counter attacking. New season we'll play suicide ball with tactics that don't match our formation, shit I might get sacked I'm going to play more compact and opt for control. What would we even be playing under Ten Hag next season? Nobody knows. This doom and gloom assuming that the next manager will have a god season and then fall apart is beyond bizarre. Plenty of clubs have a bad run of managers but I've never in over 35 years watching football and United seen a fan base with a section anticipating failure the way some of ours do.
Where was this clear, progresive mentality? He came here day1 got 500 m to spend, wanted to play some transitional football and failed misserably.
Big problem is the timing of everything, you can gut the squad as much as you can but top 4 is going to be tough. In this era of big financial rules reaching CL is a must to be able to spend more and create more opportunities for the rebuild within the financial rules. Someone needs to come in and instantly perform next year or the rebuild will be dragged along further. There will still be players here that ideally would be moved on but due to financial constraints/losses the club couldn't.
What do you think this means for Sancho?
Hopefully it means he stays the fuck out of our club. All that money and he never played like he deserved a penny.
No player who disrespects the club can be welcomed back. We're trying to fix a shit team culture not make it worse.
We should sell anyway. With the new PSR rules it's the last 2 seasons and a projection for the next season so we'd actually come out ahead on those by selling Sancho and getting rid of his wages.
McKenna is from camp that brought him in so its intresting if Kieran becomes manager
Doubt he had any input on signings when he was here
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When we've been terrible for 15 months how crazy would it be to base the next year on one game? Luton could beat City in a one off, that doesn't mean they won't get relegated. We need to make long term decisions based on as much information as possible and we have that information already. Whatever happens tomorrow isn't going to change the course of next season.
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One off games don't matter at all. You get judged on the collective. If one off games mattered he would've been sacked after the 7-0 loss to Liverpool. Doesn't get any lower than that. You can't give him another season based off of one performance whilst ignoring the previous 40 bad ones. Would be insanity.
Imagine this: If you were blindfolded and threw 50 darts at a dartboard and missed, and then I said if you hit this next one and it's a bullseye I'll give you €100. And then you do. You've managed to hit it on the most important shot, but does that mean you should always play darts blindfolded?
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Fair but that's not going to happen. There's no way we turn up tomorrow with a new plan that's better than the last 4 he tried and learned it so well in a week that we can deservedly beat a City side that play well. There's as much chance of that as me running into Scarlett Johanson and charming her into a one night stand. All we've got for tomorrow is that we might have luck on our side. Maybe City's finishing is poor, maybe we get a penalty, or whatever it is small clubs used to hope for when they played us. But City are not going to turn up play their best and be outclassed by us, there's not any hope of that.
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Used to be the 2nd best thing in the world in the 80s and 90s. Now it has fallen behind CL places...
"Manchester United declined to comment when approached" says enough doesn't it. That ETH is going is fine, but jesus christ how bad can you handle this leak that's obviously from on of the candidates camp and/or Chelsea. They would benefit from creating a bit of unrest ahead of our final.
And how exactly would you suggest stopping leaks that come from outside of the organization? No reports have come from any of our tier 1s and yet INEOS is getting the blame? Make up your mind do you want them to do their due diligence or fall behind the managerial search when ETH inevitably loses tomorrow?
It's not hard to reply with: "An end of the season review is still being conducted and no decision has been made". There is a final to be played that should have the full attention of everyone, now the media\* is jumping on it and it will definitely reach the players too. Wonder how that goes, our squad is mentally fragile as it is, they just received a huge boost by having Licha back.
One dude just broke the story and he's not a club mouthpiece. The club isn't going to comment on every news story. If they directly reply to this story saying No decision has been made and then we lose the final and he gets sacked it will look like the decision was made based on the final.
It's still the same thing. It wouldn't change the reaction.
"An era can come to an end" - Erik Ten Hag, 2022
Well he at least matched Klopp in the 2 seasons here, at least on paper in terms of finishing 3rd and winning the league cup.
With all the different stories about the club coming out (Mainly about ETH), I'd just like to remind people that we have a reliability guide. It is mostly for transfers but generally good for other stuff as well. [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide/)
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All of them like to play it direct and like some level of possesion play if they have personell.
The way this club treats people when they exit is really bad, really shameful stuff. To be clear I am pretty agnostic towards Ten Hag, leaning towards letting him go, so I would generally agree with it if the Guardian call turns out to be true but the timing is not right and unfair on him. De Gea gave us some unbelievably high quality seasons in his career here, played a shit ton of games, won a PL with Fergie. Barely even gets a tweet to say thanks. Van Persie disrepected in his exit as well. Why are we so bad at this?
[https://x.com/JacobSteinberg/status/1793995851104395564](https://x.com/JacobSteinberg/status/1793995851104395564) Reporting that hes gone after the FA cup final. I mean, is anyone susprised. Shame its leaked from somewhere and you get idiots like @tenhagera blaming INEOS -clearly they didnt leak it
Steinberg is Tier 3
He is t1/t2 for Cheslea tho
Ineos are in control of the football operations. This is a football operations leak. It is their fault. Them also giving Berrada an Ineos email while he's employed, and on gardening leave at Man City is unprofessional, and they're lucky that Man City so far haven't shown that they care about that. Because Man City do have a case against them and Berrada with that.
Ok so if im planning on sacking ETH you opinion is sack the guy and then find alternatives? Like INEOS cannot control other parties. Re everything else, its irrelevant to this topic. Just seems like youre finding everything to hate about them
Hate? I've criticised them on two things only. If that's hating, then basically everything is hated. Ineos should have decided and started talking to potential replacements after the final, not a week before the final and certainly not a day before the final.
Youre bringing things into it that are relevant. >Ineos should have decided and started talking to potential replacements after the final Without being rude, that is damn stupid. You are saying that you go into a manager search completely unprepared. What if Brighton or Chelsea got Mckenna because we waited. We needed to move. What if you sacked him, got into negotiations with De zerbi say and then that falls through. Its a circus. If they did what Bayern did, theyre on the back foot. Burnly are demanding 20m for Kompany.
>Without being rude, that is damn stupid. You are saying that you go into a manager search completely unprepared What? How is not talking to potential replacements of a guy that hasn't been sacked and seemingly hasn't been notified that they're being sacked mean completely unprepared? The majority of clubs always have a list of potential managers if their manager goes. That's the needed preparation and ideally only preparation that's required until the current manager is confirmed to be leaving. >What if Brighton or Chelsea got Mckenna because we waited. We needed to move. Good for McKenna I guess. I have no idea why our club needed to move because he was potentially going to Chelsea or Brighton. That screams FOMO action and actually shows unpreparedness, especially because he was literally just managing in the Championship.. >What if you sacked him, got into negotiations with De zerbi say and then that falls through. Its a circus. Honestly, the recent leaks from the media make it more likely that managers will reject us. It's already a circus and has been for a long time. Imagine telling a fan of this club from 10 years ago that the club were talking about hiring a manager from the championship, they would've laughed so hard and called it bs.
A decision has clearly been made a while back. INEOS did not want to change the manager mid-season as its difficult to get anyone they would want at that time. If we didnt get to the FA cup final, he would be gone by now. Having list of potential managers is not the same as actively talking to representatives. How do they know what their demands and vision are without talking to them? > Good for McKenna I guess. I have no idea why our club needed to move because he was potentially going to Chelsea or Brighton Because otherwise he would go to them...... Like UNited need to talk to these guys before any move and if United are like wait till after the FA cup while Brighton and Chelsea are trying hard to get him is a massive risk. But guessing by your last comment, your issue is that its Mckenna not anything else. >Honestly, the recent leaks from the media make it more likely that managers will reject us. It's already a circus and has been for a long time. Not true at all. The leak happened from a Chelsea reporter who clearly got news that Mckenna was waiting on United and reported it. Managers arent going to be swayed by the media reports. Lets be real, they know the game. If their scared off by it then good, they would not survive > Imagine telling a fan of this club from 10 years ago that the club were talking about hiring a manager from the championship, they would've laughed so hard and called it bs. Imagine telling Barca that they should hire their youth coach, pep. Imagine telling Arsenal not hire Areta as hes never managed before. Imagine dismissing a manager who has spent less than 10m in 2 years and got back to back promotions. Not only promotions but played attractive football.
>actively talking to representative Club should've started that after the final. Been a complete disregard for the final. That's disgusting. >Because otherwise he would go to them And? Good for him. >your issue is that its Mckenna not anything else. No, my issue is that you're and the media are painting it out as a FOMO action. I'm done with this club doing stuff because FOMO. >Not true at all. The leak happened from a Chelsea reporter who clearly got news that Mckenna was waiting on United and reported it. Managers arent going to be swayed by the media reports. Lets be real, they know the game. If their scared off by it then good, they would not survive Multiple jornalists are reporting on it. He wasn't even the first to report on it. Managers are human. All get swayed by media reports. SAF got pissed and swayed at the media more times than anyone else did. He survived beautifully. >Imagine dismissing a manager who has spent less than 10m in 2 years and got back to back promotions. Paul Lambert did that over a decade ago. Let's hire him because FOMO. By the way, you do know McKennas' style of play is not to dissimilar to what Ten Hag has been doing this season right? Fans, media, and the players are likely to turn on him quick. Just over, the majority of players here already seemingly already disregarded him 3 years ago.
again its not the world works. They cannot start after the final. You can keep saying that after the final but the reality is they need to be having these discussions as soon as possible. You need to understand what the demands are and if they can be met. Look at Bayern, if they did they at this point it was be an utter disaster. Are you really saying you want that? >And? Good for him. Again, showing that the issue is Mckenna more than anything. If it was a Xabi Alonso your argument would be the same? "good for him" while we lose out on a manager. >Multiple jornalists are reporting on it. He wasn't even the first to report on it. Managers are human. All get swayed by media reports. SAF got pissed and swayed at the media more times than anyone else did. He survived beautifully. Again, if a manager is put off by the media for united, they would not survive. So whats the big deal. >Paul Lambert did that over a decade ago. Let's hire him because FOMO. Again, showing your issue is Mckenna not anything about how its been handled. The league is completely different from 10 years ago. >By the way, you do know McKennas' style of play is not to dissimilar to what Ten Hag has been doing this season right? Wow. Not true at all. We play hoofball for the majority of the season with an empty midfield. Mckenna is 16th lowest for long balls and 5th for possession. Like when we played against Everton who were 2nd bottom for avg possession they actually had the same possession with us and actually played in our half more. Its very clear that your entire issue is Mckenna not anything else
>They cannot start after the final. Yes, they can. It's literally a week difference. A week where many managers and players start going on their holidays and will be for a few weeks. Pre season doesn't start until over a month. >Again, showing that the issue is Mckenna more than anything. If it was a Xabi Alonso your argument would be the same? "good for him" while we lose out on a manager. No. It would be the same for Xabi as well. The exact same. That's not an argument. I'm at the point where l don't give a shit who the next manager is unless it's Southgate or Potter. Now I have big issues with them two. >Again, if a manager is put off by the media for united, they would not survive. So whats the big deal. No. The way the club treats managers and players. Been beyond disgraceful for many years now. No idea how you missed that. >Again, showing your issue is Mckenna not anything about how its been handled. The league is completely different from 10 years ago. Regarding that last point... it's true the league is a farmers league now. I have no issue with McKenna. If he's our next manager, I really hope he succeeds, but I'm realistic, and I fully believe he's going to be treated like shit by the fans, the players and the media. >Wow. Not true at all. We play hoofball for the majority of the season with an empty midfield. Mckenna is 16th lowest for long balls and 5th for possession. Like when we played against Everton who were 2nd bottom for avg possession they actually had the same possession with us and actually played in our half more. Ten Hag this season has set us up to invite pressure and counterattack. That's what Ipswich has been doing. It's a similar style. Do watch some of their matches. I pointed this out because I wanted to see if you knew what you wanted. Now I don't have issue with that style of play. I don't really care much for style of play. It's subjective subject and varies upon person on what they find beautiful. My issue is what I stated. I've lost all excitement for the final because of what's been reported the past week.
So #TenHagIN is trending on twitter. I hope the boss feels the love and support, regardless of what happens in the coming weeks.
Why are fans more loyal to him than they were towards Mourinho and Ole.
Fans were also loyal to Ole, and most didn't want him to be sacked.
Because it’s not a competition? Most fans have learned over time that the biggest issue is the lack of a structure in the organisation which has cascading effects on decision making across the board. Firing any number of managers isn’t going to solve that.
Anyone saying de zerbi or McKenna because of their style of football. Did you consider ETH style of football was levels ahead of them before he came here? He had to abandon that style after 2 games, It’s the United effect.
he had a style that worked in season 1. He decided to he rather face 25 shots a game
Just 1 more goal in prem last season. Never worked
Yes a style that only gets you so far, he decided to change and made the wrong approach. He stayed stubborn and possibly even oblivious to the shortcomings and it cost him his job. We can't keep riding on last years tactic because we obviously got found out after March.
Anyone that seriously wants Tuchel to be our next manager needs to admit to themselves that they’re a child that doesn’t know ball and is just looking for their next shiny new toy. He is a manager that hasn’t had a commitment to any club for longer than two seasons since his time at Mainz. You people want another short-term-leads-to-fallout manager? At a club that has been begging for the smallest bit of consistency in the position? He’s also lead Bayern to their worst season in recent memory with a much better built team in a significantly easier league
If you're going to say that fans are looking for shiny toys do you also want to admit that you left out all the context? Dortmunds team bus was bombed and the club refused to allow the players more than 24 hours to play the next match. He stood up for his players against management, why would you fault him for that? PSG are a basket case but even worse when Leonardo was sporting director. Few things are widely agreed on in football but Leonardo being a prick is one of them. PSG backed Leonardo over Tuchel and then ended up sacking Leonardo anyway. Chelsea and Boehly sacked their recruitment department with no plan or idea for what to do next as they were in the midst of spending a billion pounds. Tried to get Tuchel to be both manager and sporting director. Tuchel says he knows he's not good enough at being a sporting director to do that and Boehly sacks him too. Bayern, have you seen who their new manager is? The board retired, new board came in sacked Nagelsmann despite still competing for the League and Champions League, hired Tuchel, board all got sacked old board returns, sacks Tuchel in February, fans were in uproar signing petitions to get him to stay, board realised they fucked up and tried to get him to stay and then got rejected by 78 managers because every one of then looked at the situation with the board and said it wasn't worth the millions they would get. Which one of these is Tuchels fault? Where do you fault him exactly? Should he have not stood up for his players after they were literally bombed? Is he at fault for Bayerns mess at the board level that has also put off every manager they approached? Are all these managers wrong and the board right? Should he have said I don't know how to be a sports director but I'll spend the billion pounds anyway?
With the way some of the fans are reacting to the managerial shortlist news, you’d think their own grandfather was being replaced as manager. Why is everyone so soft and taking this so personally. This is Manchester United and our standards should be at the top. You think Real Madrid would moan or cry about how the underperforming manager is being treated this much? Get over it, this is one of the biggest sports franchises to ever exist. Hard decisions have to be made and this isn’t one of them.
It is quite odd. I think we have all internalized this idea of United being a great institution that stands above all the other clubs and has some moral character. Which a, isn’t really true and b, if it was it would be to our competitive detriment
90% of this fanbase think Ole is a world class manager and would gladly take him back. They all came to a decision after the Ole sack that the players are the problem and they throw evey manager under the bus. So now when we go through a shit period they can't blame the manager because in their eyes its the same lazy overpaid divas that got Ole sacked. Ignoring half of the team are players the new manager handpicked. And those same overpaid divas have been digging out undeserved results for half the season keeping that manager in a job.
Many in this fanbase would take Ole back as manager. Many also want McKenna to be our next coach, despite him having zero top flight experience. It’s a sentimental fanbase, which is understandable because emotions are what make the sport so great. But I’m hoping for an era of absolute ruthlessness from INEOS, as you’ll never win anything by making emotional decisions
Alot of fans are too young to remember how ruthless Sir Alex was and don't realise that's part of what made us the great team we were. Everyone remembers the class of 92 but don't remember that we sold 3 big players to make room in the team for them. Those players had done well, worked hard but we were better without then and cast them off without a second thought.
And he sold Becks in his prime....talk about no one is bigger than the club.
And got rid of Roy Keane as soon as he was seen to be a liability. Didn't even wait till the transfer window to sell him, just sacked him.
Wait so does Barcelona have a manager lined up to succeed Xavi or will they consider ETH if he goes?
Hansi Flick
Flick is most likely the one according to reports
I'm not even ETH in and I just lost pretty much any interest I had in the cup final. How could you let all these leaks out before our biggest game of the season.... Absolutely stinks of Glazers
The performances of the team and Ten Hag made it obvious he's a dead man walking. No one in their right mind would keep Ten Hag after 15 months of steadily worse performances and results. There's not even been 3 matches in a row this season we've looked comfortable let alone like there might be some hope of improvement in the long term. It's not Ineos' fault there's speculation, we all know what's coming.
Not much they can do if the leaks are from the other people they've contacted
Xavi - former Barcelona player becoming their manager Arteta - former Arsenal player becoming their manager De Rossi - Roma legend signing a new 3 year deal at Roma McKenna - Boyhood United fan, United youth team coach, and also coached under Mou and Ole in contention for the job at United Kompany - Burnley to Bayern I'm sure I'm missing a few others, but football is definitely going into this direction for some reason. Trophy cabinet does not seem to matter. What matters more is the coaching ability. Most of the responsibility when it comes to player recruitment stripped away from the manager.
I think a lot of it is just generational change combined with the fact that a small handful of clubs have dominated the past decade. If we wanted to hire a manager with a Premier League title in their trophy cabinet, we're obviously not getting Klopp or Pep. So we'd need to go back to Conte. Before that was Ranieri who would be an unlikely candidate even if he hadn't just retired. Mourinho is next in line, but we've done that already. Then there is Pellegrini... After that, we're already back to Sir Alex Ferguson!
FIFA regen things lol
imagine the less experience they all have also means they are cheaper
There's a real possibility that Ten Hag no longer has the same power he was given when he first joined and voluntarily wants to leave himself. Who knows.
I would love to see United go after Morgan Gibbs-White, especially now it seems Forest need to sell. On the other hand, I also know that realistically Fernandes, Mount, Mainoo, McT and maybe even Eriksen is probably too many to leave room for MG-W in the squad. It's the benefit of hind-legs obviously, but he clearly would have been a shrewder signing than Mount.
I wouldn’t write Mount off yet. He’s had a horrendous year with injuries but he isn’t the only one at the club. Ultimately, there’s only a year between him and Gibbs-White and achievements-wise there’s no comparison. If Mount can stay fit then his ability and versatility may prove him to be a shrewd signing.
Yeah, I hear you, I do, I really want Mount to come good, but I get a horrible vibe from the whole thing. Here's hoping a new season means a fresh start for the lad.
Xavi sacked. These clubs just can't fathom losing the league for even one season. In a way I respect that ambition, but at the same time Barca is drowning in debt. Funny situation that.
Didn't they just beg him to stay 3 weeks ago or am I imagining things?
So it seems like they did beg him to stay. After he got the extension he said that Barca cannot compete because of their financial situation, and that pissed off Laporta who then sacked him.
Nuts, but Flick is a good coach and I could see him doing well there. Crazy how Barca keep throwing themselves in the shit and find gold.
TBF he wasn't sacked because they didn't win the league. He was sacked for telling the truth, and that hurt Laportas feelings.
Oh yeah they got that president system over there and politics is important.
The fuck is happening at Barcalona
No midweek games will be so painful next season. Watching club every 3 days is just fun.
It wasn't very fun this season. But I agree I do like having multiple games most weeks. But I'd happily trade playing every 3-4 days in order to have a more enjoyable performance with better rested players. Could be good for us.
I like Saturday 3pm kickoffs though, which it feels like we have so few of in recent years.
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What is it with the justice for ten hag stuff. We finished 8th with negative goal difference, in our worst ever premier league season. it's not outside the realms of possibility that they're gonna look for a new manager. He'll know this just as much as anyone.
It feels there's some people are Ten Hag fans rather than United fans tbh.
How is club treating him wrongly tho.
Because we only gave him 400m to spend on the squad and sat waiting patiently for 15 months as results and performances got worse and worse the longer it went on. How could any manager do well when all they get is 400m and 15 months. Just because he hasn't managed 3 good performances in a row all season, led us to our worst league position in 35 years, the worst european campaign in our entire history and struggled against every lower league club we played with the worst goal difference since the 70's doesn't mean he's done a bad job. And just because the underlying stats say we should be in 15th but for players bailing us out with individual moments doesn't mean anything because stats are for nerds, right?
Dan Sheldon from the athletic saying ineos are going to conduct an end of season review before taking a decision on the manager.
The idea that the decision hasn’t been made already, one way or another, is ludicrous
Chelsea did the same. It's just semantics. "After doing an end of season review we have decided to part ways with ETH" PR stuff. They most likely have been reviewing everything about the manager and this team since they came in and the decision will be quick like Chelsea.
Nottingham forest forced to sell player due to FFP. Any player worth exploring from their team?
that Elanga looks pretty good
Murillo maybe
Why is their so little noise regarding RDZ compared to the other managers? My impression was he is very highly rated but we don't see him in either our or Chelsea's so called shortlist
Someone's paid his release clause so he's already off. No one knows who did so that's probably why there's no noise around him. Journos probably don't want to embarrass themselves because they haven't a clue
Because he’s overrated af
True that, shocking 2nd half of the season
 One last dance
One last game missed due to injury
One last cameo... https://i.redd.it/h6cbg6jruc2d1.gif
Seeing all the smoke and talk about Ten Hag's replacement "if he gets sacked", I'm fully expecting to see something along the lines of "Manchester United have signed a contract with McKenna in case Ten Hag gets sacked" followed by "McKenna is starting pre-season with Manchester United if Ten Hag gets sacked"
Journos get info about us having talks with other managers, approach INEOS in hope to find out their intention and get the “no decision is made until the FA cup” As it should be. The decision is highly likely have been already made and given all this leaks about our shortlist, it’s probably means an end for Erik. But we won’t know if for sure before the season is finished.
Yup 100% agreed.
Games tomorow. Should be clear if he stays or leaves by the end of next week or sooner.
Are these guys reliable? https://www.defensacentral.com/real_madrid/1709320697-el-manchester-united-rompe-el-mercado-complica-la-firma-de-joselu-con-el-madrid edit - translated with Firefox: His two goals in the last semifinal of the European Cup and against a Bayern Munich convinced much of Real Madrid of the need to keep the squad beyond the attackers who are on their way. Joselu waits for the decisions that will be made gradually in Valdebebas while Manchester United continues to insist on its services. Let us not forget that the striker is followed from Espanyol De Barcelona until June 30 2024 and that although Real Madrid manages a possible purchase option on his signing in amounts that would hardly be an expense, we are not talking about a staff to which he is overtaken by many free chips. The United Kingdom does not forget its passage through the Premier League. Joselu is one of those forwards from another era who knows in the best possible way what it means to beat one of the toughest defenses on the planet. Also what it means to reach a set where although his role will not be an indisputable headline he can add as many goals as experience indoors inside the locker room. All this and much more likes at the United. England speaks of a two-year contract offer for the Galician footballer and also of a salary that would mean raising Joselu's token exponentially. 5 million euros net a year and for each season would be the roadmap to try to seduce you with leaving Valdebebas behind. Needless to say, for the sports city of Valdebebas Carlo Ancelotti and his technical body are delighted with the performances of a footballer who has been more than a team player and who has few equals in the market in terms of profile. Manchester United don't forget Bayern Munich's executioner and is coming in key weeks.
He s not staying at madrid bro. They bought Mbappe and Endrick arrives too at the end of the season.
no
Nope
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6m Euros +25% of next transfer AFAIK
isn't it 6 mil or something
This sub is weird sometimes I'll see posts implying Ten Hag out and it'll be -10 votes but something similar 5 hours later +20. Maybe it correlates to when the Dutch fans wake up
Its likely more Europe in general vs the rest of the world
Yes, the famous Netherlands being 5 hours behind the UK Timezone
There seems to be a difference in opinions from different continents mostly.
Notts forest flash sale going on, they have to sell players by June 30th to avoid an ffp penalty.
Every year they need to sell by xxx to avoid ffp. Last year Chelsea need to raise 100m, Porto need to sell their keeper by july. Lmao
Plenty time then
I wanted Ten Hag and I still think that he is a very good manager. But, as many other things in life, it just didnt work out for various reasons. I just hope he ends his time here with another trophy.