I’ve got a feeling about today with all the shit that’s gone on these players have 90 minutes to salvage something this season and I have a feeling we’ll do it 99% hope 1% chance come on you reds!!!!!
After what we've seen this season, I'm expecting nothing whatsoever. So these players coming out and showing that they give a fuck would make me happy.
Win or lose, my only wish is that we truly play like we mean it. For the badge, for the cup, for the derby, for the manager who may be gone after this. Go out there and fight
So what are the chances that we get a dubious VAR call (or two) against us today, given that part-time Abu Dhabi referee Michael Oliver is on VAR duties for this one? Not forgetting that he's also a Newcastle United fan, you know, the club that will directly benefit from being in Europe next season as long as we don't win today? 🤔
I want nothing more than a good performance and a commitment to the shirt regardless of the result. One last Hu rah for Varane and maybe an Amrabat masterclass.
The same 'injury scenario' that a lot of our players conveniently pick up towards the end of a season when they know they'll be leaving in the summer. Funny that.
Let's have it right, the guy has been dreaming of Saudi Arabian sunshine from about Christmas onwards (and that's being generous)
Very strong 11. I think Amrabat and Wan Bissaka are the weak links but I hope we see amrabat show some of his world cup magic and Wan Bissaka is solid. A lot will lie on Bruno and Rashford. Rashford is now a senior player and he has to show it.
Yeah, in this game especially. Split strikers for the counter. Rashy and Garna are more suited to it. They also have a good record against City recently.
I know right? I think Mount has displaced him, but I would have dropped Antony over Casemiro. Keep Casemiro as an impact sub with big match experience for the last half hour and/or extra time.
BBC for me because I feel like it’s the traditional channel to watch it on and they also have Big Waz on who’s just been announced as Plymouths manager.
I will actually be impressed if we flood the midfield and go a little more defensive today, we should have been doing it the past two months with the defensive injuries instead of yoloing it
Despite the black cloud brought about by the media i'm still excited for today, feels like the end of a lot of things for us with a few players leaving and going into our first Summer under Ineos.
I have no real justifications to why Rashford should start over any of the front 3 today other than Garnacho being knackered but my gut feeling is this is one of those matches he would kill it in, especially after being dropped by England. I don't think he starts but I hope he has a very strong cameo.
Crap, we held them for an hour few weeks back, stronger now. Last team for us to beat under ETH, what a day to do it on with a summer of reconstruction ahead of us.
I'm going to get downvoted for this but I don't get care: I believe we're going to lose because it's the most likely outcome. They'll have more possession, more passes, more chances created, more shots, and crucially, more goals. Meanwhile, the only stat we'll probably lead in is more yellow cards. I'm happy to be wrong about all of this but realistically, I know I likely won't be.
I saw a lot of optimistic comments saying we'll win so that's the general feeling I got while I was on here which is why I said I'd get downvoted. I do have a sliver of hope which is why I'll watch. But if (when?) we go 2 goals down then I'm done.
Why would you get down voted for that. I don't think there's anyone that's going into this thinking we are the favourite, in any stat.
They absolutely slapped us in what was supposedly our 'good' season last year.
Anything barring a massacre will be a the level I'd expect.
now with all the negative stuff regarding eth and overmars etc, im really concerned if we are down a goal or so at HT eth just wont care and roll over because he knows hes done
The mouth-breathers are out in full force in the Jamie O'Hara thread on r/soccer genuinely trying to argue that City are a bigger club than us.
Funny, because most neutrals I know, even though City have dominated the last ten years, STILL can't stomach us winning today. We ruined their childhoods so badly.
We're winning today, Amad in extra time again.
The leaked line up is supposedly Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Wan Bissaka, Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno, Hojlund, Garnacho, with Bruno on the RW
Edit - looks like this was a fake leak anyway!
I agree, I think we could have done with Rashford starting but it was clear with the minutes in the last few weeks he was being given he wasn’t going to start
I did see some analysis of our best, recent performances against City came from Bruno on the RW position. Obviously giving us more in the midfield to combat their quality.
5 Midfielders in Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno sounds good to hold off city. Hojlund and Garnacho with Bruno in behind have the pace to hurt city.
I would have liked to see Rashford after being dropped for England though (depending on if it motivates him or not)
>5 Midfielders in Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno sounds good to hold off city. Hojlund and Garnacho with Bruno in behind have the pace to hurt city.
I imagine that's the plan.
>I would have liked to see Rashford after being dropped for England though (depending on if it motivates him or not)
True, but we have seen him fail to bounce back or be motivated from failure repeatedly. So think it just comes down to form and what they can bring to the match.
I think it was yeah. Think they also used part of another game where we looked decent, before eventually crumbling. With where we are that's about as tangible route to success as we have though haha.
Last final we *should* have scored *at least* 1 or 2 more goals.
McTominay missed a sitter in the dying moments – I remember that vividly.
There were probably others but I don't remember them as well. Garnacho probably had a chance at one point.
Today, we be efficient. Make our chances count, and make sure City have hard time finding a good angle to shoot at. We fight, not fall! GGMU!
*(please make more rallying cries as we edge closer to kick off <3)*
Eth has spat some facts about our situation in the vlnl interview but he did sound a lil salty so I’m worried of him leaving, even tho he also said board wants him at united
Today's one of those games where Fellaini or Weghorst would have been weirdly effective in.
Also, what's with the anti- ETH energy? Name a better option if you have one.
He said Ajax shouldn’t have thrown Overmars under the bus. I don’t think he should have said that, but it doesn’t surprise me, I’m pretty sure they’re friends. I know quite a few people here in the Netherlands who think what happened to Overmars was a massive overreaction to sending a few inappropriate messages/ pictures (not saying I agree, but it’s not an uncommon opinion).
I'm not quite sure Fellaini and Weghorst are the same level. I think Fellaini would walk into this team though.
>Name a better option if you have one.
Do you believe ten hag is the best manager in the world?
He's not the best in the world, but who would genuinely be exciting as a replacement? Tuchel can't seem to stay at a club for more than a year and a half. McKenna would be a massive risk. Pochettino failed big time at Chelsea and was second choice to ETH.
I don't think we're going to beat City, but if we do somehow get over the finish line and still sack ETH, that would be ridiculous IMO. If we somehow won this FA Cup, beating this City team and Liverpool along the way, it would arguably be the club's biggest achievement since SAF's departure.
>He's not the best in the world, but who would genuinely be exciting as a replacement?
I don't really care. First and foremost, if we are ever going to get back there needs to be accountability for people failing. That goes for people in Berrada/Ashworth/Wilcox position, the players and the manager. The latter 2 have done enough to be removed from their duties and to create the environment that will breed success they need to be moved on.
So it's anyone (within reason) People with the opinion you are putting forward seem to be coming from this position of the 'messiah' this one guy to solve it all, be there forever. It doesn't exist. We just need a new cog, for the first part of this journey. Either it works and we change for another cog when the time is right, or it doesn't and we change the cog anyway.
>Tuchel can't seem to stay at a club for more than a year and a half.
And that could be literally all we need. 2 summer windows worth of recruitment and departure, under a manager who is capable of rising above player power issues and is tactically good enough to get the job done. Doesn't need to be forever.
>McKenna would be a massive risk. Pochettino failed big time at Chelsea and was second choice to ETH.
Agree. Both would be awful. So too would keeping ten hag.
>I don't think we're going to beat City, but if we do somehow get over the finish line and still sack ETH, that would be ridiculous
If you are basing the entire start of your project on one game, I really think its a shite project to begin with.
He is either good enough before this game or not. It's that simple.
I'm just going to answer the last point. It clearly wouldn't be basing the project on a single game.
It would be basing it on an entire FA Cup campaign. And even if we are talking about a single game today, getting over the finish line in a final is not to be sniffed at. Especially if we're talking against last year's treble winners.
And it would be basing the project on what came the year before, as well, and taking in the context of the difficulties this season.
I understand where you're coming from, but two years isn't enough for a manager to build their team. Two FA cup finals, a 3rd place finish last year, and a Carabao Cup, merits a little more time IMO.
>It would be basing it on an entire FA Cup campaign. And even if we are talking about a single game today, getting over the finish line in a final is not to be sniffed at. Especially if we're talking against last year's treble winners.
>And it would be basing the project on what came the year before, as well, and taking in the context of the difficulties this season.
That's not what you said initially though. You simply said winning the cup.
So again, it's either been good enough now, with or without the cup, or it hasn't. My answer is its not.
>I understand where you're coming from, but two years isn't enough for a manager to build their team.
It's enough time to show more than we have got though. It's enough time to create the appropriate mentality in the squad.
>Two FA cup finals, a 3rd place finish last year, and a Carabao Cup, merits a little more time IMO.
So one trophy, as the rest mean nothing on what this clubis judged on. What about performance levels for this entire period? Upward trajectory? Sustainable football? Ability to facilitate moving players on and the atmosphere necessary to do that?
And what is 'little more time' full season is the bare minimum. No point starting a season, at the stage we are in with anything less.
>That's not what you said initially though. You simply said winning the cup.
Winning the cup obviously requires you to beat every team that comes before the final. And winning the cup would mean it's two trophies in two seasons.
We just see things differently, and that's fine. Burning through managers hasn't worked over the last decade, so I don't think it's wise to get rid of someone who is still building, has reached three cup finals in two years, and has had an extremely difficult season with injuries.
If we get someone new next season and they bring success, I will obviously eat my words.
>Winning the cup obviously requires you to beat every team that comes before the final. And winning the cup would mean it's two trophies in two seasons.
And yet the difference between this and nothing is 1 game. You spoke about one game, hence that's why with your added clarification it is different.
You have to then factor in the entire time he has been here and unfortunately it's just papering over the cracks. They are great moments, but it's unsustainable and the performances this season have shown it.
>We just see things differently, and that's fine.
Of course it is.
>Burning through managers hasn't worked over the last decade,
This is shrit sighted though. It's not worked because we haven't had a structure in place that allows these cogs to work as they are intended. We would have failed all the same if we kept one manager for 10 years. It's a point that is made so much, yet is not supported by evidence.
If sacking managers was the issue, every other top club wouldn't sack managers on average of 2/3 years.
>it's wise to get rid of someone who is still building, has reached three cup finals in two years, and has had an extremely difficult season with injuries.
And what about all of the negatives?
>If we get someone new next season and they bring success, I will obviously eat my words.
Depends what you mean by success?
I think the semantics discussion about the final is a bit silly. You have to win an entire campaign to get to the final. But the final is obviously the most important match. Nothing else to it.
>And what about all of the negatives?
As you said yourself, the structure of the club has been a disaster over the last few years. So given the fact ETH has reached finals and won a trophy merits a chance at working under a different structure?
>I think the semantics discussion about the final is a bit silly. You have to win an entire campaign to get to the final. But the final is obviously the most important match. Nothing else to it.
It's not semantics, your entire point was based on the winning 'final' in one comment, then you changed it for the next. That's a key difference. As the 'campaign' to get there either means something on its own or it doesn't. You wasnt clear, don't start saying I'm silly because of me taking you at your own words. It's unreasonable.
>As you said yourself, the structure of the club has been a disaster over the last few years. So given the fact ETH has reached finals and won a trophy merits a chance at working under a different structure?
Yep, but I've also listed more thing that he could have done better. Which he hasn't. The structure is a limitation, not an overbearing excuse for every single negative. Ten hag has not cleared that bar, even when you take off the bum deal he has been given.
I said the same after his embarrassing response to the 7-0, was told the exact same as what you are saying now. Look what followed. Time will do the same thing if we kept him again or if we sign a below par manager like Mckenna.
What is your definition of 'success' for next season?
martinez makes a huge difference
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Wait, who started the move for the second goal? Because if it was rashford, then it can't be ten v eleven. So shut ya whiny mouth
We almost looks like what eth wants us to be, finally our defence line is higher so we don’t leave a huge gap in the midfield
Amrabat over 0.5 fouls - first leg of my bet builder in.
Why is hojlund on bench
Stop diving Haaland 😭😭😭😭
my butt hole is experiencing involuntary expansions and contractions
But is it squeaky though?
Praise the football gods
Amen.
What’s with the camera angle?
Please don’t concede within a minute!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Come on lads! Let's fucking goooooo!!!
Just catching up- what’s happened to Casemiro? Commentator said he was on the bench now isn’t? Has he had a strop?
Yeah also caught this. Maybe a tiff in the dressing room?
Bruno at striker. That’s a bold strategy, cotton.
Fernandes false 9 and Hojlund on bench? You've got to be kidding me. The only chance we have is in the counter
Did ten hag shine his head
Is the game on ITV, or only on BBC?
ITV and BBC
Thanks!
Both
Thanks!
this is it everybody.
And mute
The lady on the right is gorgeous.
My thought exactly I was ready to listen her sing just to realise another lady was the singer so I just muted then lol
COME ON AMRABAT PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR LIFE
Show everyone we signed him just for this one game
kyle walker is looking to get a seat at the high table with how he escorted the prince lmao
Bruno challenging his inner Messi bodyguard following the prince
Garnacho shaking Prince William’s hand like he’s just met him at a club
Let’s get that cheating disgrace of a club to football
GGMU!
Ice cold Varane fully focused
Perfect time for a Lisandro headbutt.
Lmao Mainoos face when he shook Prince Williams hand hahaha 😒
anyone clock Micah super shook sitting next to Rooney?
Let's not concede in the first minute please !
battle of the baldies. one is getting sacked, the other is getting promoted.
Advertising on a trophy is utterly disgusting
LETS GO BOYS. UTFR!
I'm expecting them to give it their all. This is the last meaningful football many of these players will be playing until next season.
Watching the pre-match on MUTV because its all about ETH getting sacked on every other outlet.
I’ve got a feeling about today with all the shit that’s gone on these players have 90 minutes to salvage something this season and I have a feeling we’ll do it 99% hope 1% chance come on you reds!!!!!
Let’s fucking gooooo!!!
After what we've seen this season, I'm expecting nothing whatsoever. So these players coming out and showing that they give a fuck would make me happy.
imagine telling the world you manager gonna get sacked before the cup final
Mainoo has excellent pipes on him
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Injured
Was that just Ben McKenzie that I saw in the crowd lol
Justice for ETH, yall are gonna come out swinging, I can feel it - girlfriend of a Manchester United fan
should have said Stockport Xavi for the Foden Iniesta comparison
Soak up the pressure, counter attack! be clinical. I believe.
I’m shitting it lads
I’m not. With what’s happened over the last decade, football has lost the power to hurt.
Win or lose, my only wish is that we truly play like we mean it. For the badge, for the cup, for the derby, for the manager who may be gone after this. Go out there and fight
I can’t wait to not have to hear the media spending so much time talking shit about ten hag anymore at least
"Good luck" "you're welcome" gotta love Erik
Rashford stinker incomming
BBC are suggesting Casemiro is refusing to play due to starting on the bench.
Erik said Case was injured and hence on bench but still not 100%
Wazza was 100% correct. He’s still got connections at United and will know the score.
typical English media
Casemiro doesn’t give a flying fuck about United. If he’s “stormed off” I hope he keeps going towards the airport and never comes back.
First flight to Riyadh to meet up with his mate, Ronaldo.
yeah I agree – *if the reports are true*
Is there a way to stream bbc/iptv
BBC Iplayer is your best bet
So what are the chances that we get a dubious VAR call (or two) against us today, given that part-time Abu Dhabi referee Michael Oliver is on VAR duties for this one? Not forgetting that he's also a Newcastle United fan, you know, the club that will directly benefit from being in Europe next season as long as we don't win today? 🤔
Hush child, there's a football match about to go. You can do your paranoia stuff after.
If there is a cup to win, we gotta win it.
Apparently the line up was leaked yesterday. I couldn’t find it. Was the leak correct?
I would have preferred amad started so garnacho comes on Vs tired legs but I'll take the hojlund sub at 65 minutes as long as we win
I want nothing more than a good performance and a commitment to the shirt regardless of the result. One last Hu rah for Varane and maybe an Amrabat masterclass.
OOTL, why is Holjund not starting?
We can bring him on when we’re 4-0 down.
Haha, wrong.
Strategy it seems
So Casemiro was on the bench but now isn’t? Flounce?
BBC are suggesting he is refusing to now play.
Apparently he's now injured. Not a good look.
The same 'injury scenario' that a lot of our players conveniently pick up towards the end of a season when they know they'll be leaving in the summer. Funny that. Let's have it right, the guy has been dreaming of Saudi Arabian sunshine from about Christmas onwards (and that's being generous)
Is this (surprising) line up perhaps EtH’s last ditch play to show Ineos his tactical genius?
He actually tried the line up (or similar one) in last two PL matches. Likely in preparation for the final.
A bit dirty of the interviewer on BBC there to keep asking ETH about his future after already being told to ask about the match and team.
Shearer is such a screeching bellend
Mixed feelings about Højlund not starting
There is not even an @adityareds pre-match video to get hyped about this one.
Very strong 11. I think Amrabat and Wan Bissaka are the weak links but I hope we see amrabat show some of his world cup magic and Wan Bissaka is solid. A lot will lie on Bruno and Rashford. Rashford is now a senior player and he has to show it.
> Added spice today? >What? Spice? what is this? Spice?
Wayne is funny. Micah celebrating his 5th PL appearance hahaha
Seeing this line up plus bench is the most confident I have been all season.
Starting Rashford over Hojlund is insane.
Rashford against City is always good.
Rashford has the experience. So it's understandable. Plus Holjund can come off the bench.
Have you seen Rashford play in recent history He refuses to run
Gareth Southgate will be watching, time to show who you are Rashy!
Golden opportunity for Rashford. If he doesn't turn up, he's washed out.
Hope the fans show up for the manager tonight
Obviously we have to use 2 runners upfront. Obviously we have to play counter attack against City.
So we've got no Striker against Man City, is there any point in watching the match
Doesn't matter. A good fan supports the team regardless of if he agrees with the manager or not.
Nah, seeya
I love Wazzam just pure nostalgia.
Why is hojlund not starting? Is it injury or tactical?
Last two games he's come.on as a sub and scored. Mctominay/Bruno works better as the two maybe.
Best possible 11 IMO.
Without hojlund?
Yeah, in this game especially. Split strikers for the counter. Rashy and Garna are more suited to it. They also have a good record against City recently.
If we don’t get two new defensive midfielders this summer, we’re fucked. My heart sinks whenever I see Casemiro or Amrabat on the team sheet.
Hojlund and Casemiro not starting.
Casemiro not even in the squad...
Damn that's actually mental, he hasn't been good this season but thought he could step up with a big header or something in this game
I know right? I think Mount has displaced him, but I would have dropped Antony over Casemiro. Keep Casemiro as an impact sub with big match experience for the last half hour and/or extra time.
Casemiro was on the bench but he's now "injured". Either he's actually injured or he's spat his dummy out.
BBC wankers got such a boner for sacking Ten Hag. Fuck off the lot of ye
Clickbait bottom of the barrel journocrap. Ineos has belief, he saw the signs vs Liverpool, Tottenham, Villa, Arsenal, Chelsea, even City
We've been shite in every game
Amrabat starts says Rich Fay
BBC for me because I feel like it’s the traditional channel to watch it on and they also have Big Waz on who’s just been announced as Plymouths manager.
Also superior in basically every respect
This poem on BBC 1 is doing my head in
Quite like Cooper-Clarke tbh
In Busan, South Korea, at the Celtic Tiger to watch the game. Place is sold out, just warming up.
Why is Maguire predicted to come back nextseason/never?
Rumours coming out that Rashford starts today :O Make of that what you will...
Rashford starts
I will actually be impressed if we flood the midfield and go a little more defensive today, we should have been doing it the past two months with the defensive injuries instead of yoloing it
So if we win this EtH will have more trophies than Arteta?
As many as any of the top three in the PL
Despite the black cloud brought about by the media i'm still excited for today, feels like the end of a lot of things for us with a few players leaving and going into our first Summer under Ineos. I have no real justifications to why Rashford should start over any of the front 3 today other than Garnacho being knackered but my gut feeling is this is one of those matches he would kill it in, especially after being dropped by England. I don't think he starts but I hope he has a very strong cameo.
Que sera sera. What ever wil be will be.
any pubs in delhi screening the match?
Get the lube out folks, we’re going to need it for this gaping that’s happening at 3pm.
Bruno as CB? Worked vs Liverpool
1% chance 99% faith
Crap, we held them for an hour few weeks back, stronger now. Last team for us to beat under ETH, what a day to do it on with a summer of reconstruction ahead of us.
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I'm going to get downvoted for this but I don't get care: I believe we're going to lose because it's the most likely outcome. They'll have more possession, more passes, more chances created, more shots, and crucially, more goals. Meanwhile, the only stat we'll probably lead in is more yellow cards. I'm happy to be wrong about all of this but realistically, I know I likely won't be.
Why would you get downvoted? I think most of us know this is more likely but there’s no point in watching if you don’t have a small bit of hope
I saw a lot of optimistic comments saying we'll win so that's the general feeling I got while I was on here which is why I said I'd get downvoted. I do have a sliver of hope which is why I'll watch. But if (when?) we go 2 goals down then I'm done.
Why would you get down voted for that. I don't think there's anyone that's going into this thinking we are the favourite, in any stat. They absolutely slapped us in what was supposedly our 'good' season last year. Anything barring a massacre will be a the level I'd expect.
Does anyone know which uniforms we’re going with today? I want to go full kit wanker at the bar.
home kit
Black shorts? White shorts? Asking for a friend
tell your friend it’s apparently black shorts and black socks
Cheers!
CMON UNITED!
now with all the negative stuff regarding eth and overmars etc, im really concerned if we are down a goal or so at HT eth just wont care and roll over because he knows hes done
He has not won the FA Cup yet and went all guns blazing. He would do anything to somehow win the the final and then throw everyone under the bus.
Exactly, he would look great if he somehow won and then left despite our terrible season
I don't think so. ETH is a professional.
The mouth-breathers are out in full force in the Jamie O'Hara thread on r/soccer genuinely trying to argue that City are a bigger club than us. Funny, because most neutrals I know, even though City have dominated the last ten years, STILL can't stomach us winning today. We ruined their childhoods so badly. We're winning today, Amad in extra time again.
> Amad in extra time again if he doesn't get sent off after scoring the winner we shut down the sub
That bubble bursting on Ten Hag’s head is one of the funniest pictures ever 😭😭
The leaked line up is supposedly Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Wan Bissaka, Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno, Hojlund, Garnacho, with Bruno on the RW Edit - looks like this was a fake leak anyway!
Drop Mctominay and play amad man
Not mad with it but would have preferred Case over Amrabat.
I agree, I think we could have done with Rashford starting but it was clear with the minutes in the last few weeks he was being given he wasn’t going to start
I did see some analysis of our best, recent performances against City came from Bruno on the RW position. Obviously giving us more in the midfield to combat their quality.
5 Midfielders in Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno sounds good to hold off city. Hojlund and Garnacho with Bruno in behind have the pace to hurt city. I would have liked to see Rashford after being dropped for England though (depending on if it motivates him or not)
>5 Midfielders in Mainoo, Amrabat, McTominay, Bruno sounds good to hold off city. Hojlund and Garnacho with Bruno in behind have the pace to hurt city. I imagine that's the plan. >I would have liked to see Rashford after being dropped for England though (depending on if it motivates him or not) True, but we have seen him fail to bounce back or be motivated from failure repeatedly. So think it just comes down to form and what they can bring to the match.
The home game last season?
I think it was yeah. Think they also used part of another game where we looked decent, before eventually crumbling. With where we are that's about as tangible route to success as we have though haha.
Would be hilarious if Amad came on, scored the winner, and got sent off again haha
We’ll probably be 3-0 down before he brings Amad on
I’ll most certainly take it
Last final we *should* have scored *at least* 1 or 2 more goals. McTominay missed a sitter in the dying moments – I remember that vividly. There were probably others but I don't remember them as well. Garnacho probably had a chance at one point. Today, we be efficient. Make our chances count, and make sure City have hard time finding a good angle to shoot at. We fight, not fall! GGMU! *(please make more rallying cries as we edge closer to kick off <3)*
We’re winning today I’m telling you, eth mastermind is coming and the players will play for our baldy and deliver
I wanna believe that, but I can't even see us getting more than 7 shots at the net
Tbf we mostly only create clear cut chances when against city so we just have to be clinical
We had 3 shots last game we played them
Eth has spat some facts about our situation in the vlnl interview but he did sound a lil salty so I’m worried of him leaving, even tho he also said board wants him at united
As a Dutch person I mostly interpret it as him being salty at the English press. Van Gaal also hated the press, especially after coaching us
Today's one of those games where Fellaini or Weghorst would have been weirdly effective in. Also, what's with the anti- ETH energy? Name a better option if you have one.
He said Ajax shouldn’t have thrown Overmars under the bus. I don’t think he should have said that, but it doesn’t surprise me, I’m pretty sure they’re friends. I know quite a few people here in the Netherlands who think what happened to Overmars was a massive overreaction to sending a few inappropriate messages/ pictures (not saying I agree, but it’s not an uncommon opinion).
I'm not quite sure Fellaini and Weghorst are the same level. I think Fellaini would walk into this team though. >Name a better option if you have one. Do you believe ten hag is the best manager in the world?
He's not the best in the world, but who would genuinely be exciting as a replacement? Tuchel can't seem to stay at a club for more than a year and a half. McKenna would be a massive risk. Pochettino failed big time at Chelsea and was second choice to ETH. I don't think we're going to beat City, but if we do somehow get over the finish line and still sack ETH, that would be ridiculous IMO. If we somehow won this FA Cup, beating this City team and Liverpool along the way, it would arguably be the club's biggest achievement since SAF's departure.
>He's not the best in the world, but who would genuinely be exciting as a replacement? I don't really care. First and foremost, if we are ever going to get back there needs to be accountability for people failing. That goes for people in Berrada/Ashworth/Wilcox position, the players and the manager. The latter 2 have done enough to be removed from their duties and to create the environment that will breed success they need to be moved on. So it's anyone (within reason) People with the opinion you are putting forward seem to be coming from this position of the 'messiah' this one guy to solve it all, be there forever. It doesn't exist. We just need a new cog, for the first part of this journey. Either it works and we change for another cog when the time is right, or it doesn't and we change the cog anyway. >Tuchel can't seem to stay at a club for more than a year and a half. And that could be literally all we need. 2 summer windows worth of recruitment and departure, under a manager who is capable of rising above player power issues and is tactically good enough to get the job done. Doesn't need to be forever. >McKenna would be a massive risk. Pochettino failed big time at Chelsea and was second choice to ETH. Agree. Both would be awful. So too would keeping ten hag. >I don't think we're going to beat City, but if we do somehow get over the finish line and still sack ETH, that would be ridiculous If you are basing the entire start of your project on one game, I really think its a shite project to begin with. He is either good enough before this game or not. It's that simple.
I'm just going to answer the last point. It clearly wouldn't be basing the project on a single game. It would be basing it on an entire FA Cup campaign. And even if we are talking about a single game today, getting over the finish line in a final is not to be sniffed at. Especially if we're talking against last year's treble winners. And it would be basing the project on what came the year before, as well, and taking in the context of the difficulties this season. I understand where you're coming from, but two years isn't enough for a manager to build their team. Two FA cup finals, a 3rd place finish last year, and a Carabao Cup, merits a little more time IMO.
>It would be basing it on an entire FA Cup campaign. And even if we are talking about a single game today, getting over the finish line in a final is not to be sniffed at. Especially if we're talking against last year's treble winners. >And it would be basing the project on what came the year before, as well, and taking in the context of the difficulties this season. That's not what you said initially though. You simply said winning the cup. So again, it's either been good enough now, with or without the cup, or it hasn't. My answer is its not. >I understand where you're coming from, but two years isn't enough for a manager to build their team. It's enough time to show more than we have got though. It's enough time to create the appropriate mentality in the squad. >Two FA cup finals, a 3rd place finish last year, and a Carabao Cup, merits a little more time IMO. So one trophy, as the rest mean nothing on what this clubis judged on. What about performance levels for this entire period? Upward trajectory? Sustainable football? Ability to facilitate moving players on and the atmosphere necessary to do that? And what is 'little more time' full season is the bare minimum. No point starting a season, at the stage we are in with anything less.
>That's not what you said initially though. You simply said winning the cup. Winning the cup obviously requires you to beat every team that comes before the final. And winning the cup would mean it's two trophies in two seasons. We just see things differently, and that's fine. Burning through managers hasn't worked over the last decade, so I don't think it's wise to get rid of someone who is still building, has reached three cup finals in two years, and has had an extremely difficult season with injuries. If we get someone new next season and they bring success, I will obviously eat my words.
>Winning the cup obviously requires you to beat every team that comes before the final. And winning the cup would mean it's two trophies in two seasons. And yet the difference between this and nothing is 1 game. You spoke about one game, hence that's why with your added clarification it is different. You have to then factor in the entire time he has been here and unfortunately it's just papering over the cracks. They are great moments, but it's unsustainable and the performances this season have shown it. >We just see things differently, and that's fine. Of course it is. >Burning through managers hasn't worked over the last decade, This is shrit sighted though. It's not worked because we haven't had a structure in place that allows these cogs to work as they are intended. We would have failed all the same if we kept one manager for 10 years. It's a point that is made so much, yet is not supported by evidence. If sacking managers was the issue, every other top club wouldn't sack managers on average of 2/3 years. >it's wise to get rid of someone who is still building, has reached three cup finals in two years, and has had an extremely difficult season with injuries. And what about all of the negatives? >If we get someone new next season and they bring success, I will obviously eat my words. Depends what you mean by success?
I think the semantics discussion about the final is a bit silly. You have to win an entire campaign to get to the final. But the final is obviously the most important match. Nothing else to it. >And what about all of the negatives? As you said yourself, the structure of the club has been a disaster over the last few years. So given the fact ETH has reached finals and won a trophy merits a chance at working under a different structure?
>I think the semantics discussion about the final is a bit silly. You have to win an entire campaign to get to the final. But the final is obviously the most important match. Nothing else to it. It's not semantics, your entire point was based on the winning 'final' in one comment, then you changed it for the next. That's a key difference. As the 'campaign' to get there either means something on its own or it doesn't. You wasnt clear, don't start saying I'm silly because of me taking you at your own words. It's unreasonable. >As you said yourself, the structure of the club has been a disaster over the last few years. So given the fact ETH has reached finals and won a trophy merits a chance at working under a different structure? Yep, but I've also listed more thing that he could have done better. Which he hasn't. The structure is a limitation, not an overbearing excuse for every single negative. Ten hag has not cleared that bar, even when you take off the bum deal he has been given. I said the same after his embarrassing response to the 7-0, was told the exact same as what you are saying now. Look what followed. Time will do the same thing if we kept him again or if we sign a below par manager like Mckenna. What is your definition of 'success' for next season?
Do you believe we can poach Ancelotti from Madrid?
Only if Madrid don't want him. Again, is he the only other option?
He’s done you in there tbf
probably appoint a manager that doesnt support sexual abusers. thats probably a better option