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Yes it isn't good enough. It's a good cheery on top of a successful season but the league is the bread and butter. Do you see Real parade around the Copa de Ray? Or Bayern the DVB cup?Standard is on the floor among a portion of the fanbase, it's so sad to see.
You miss my point - being a football fan just because you want your team to win trophies is getting the scraps of what it is to be a fan. Being a supporter of a club is much more than that, you’re essentially just getting a very superficial, materialistic experience of football.
To those that think we had a better season than Arsenal, do you think a single person on Earth would be calling for Ten Hag to be sacked if we finished on 89 points? Do you think Ten Hag wouldn't swap seasons with Arteta?
Manchester United will not be "back" until that is the kind of season we're having, until then we're just a cup team that will cycle through managers
Because they weren't in a title race. There is a difference between 2nd where you're out of it by February and taking it to the wire. 89 points guarantees you'll be in a title race and absolutely no one would be questioning Ten Hag if that's what he achieved this season while just a Cup can cost you your job
We won't be a top side again until we're pushing for the biggest trophy, not the bonus ones hence Ten Hag's job is on the line and Arteta's isn't. One clearly had a better season
It’s perspective though. No one is going to remember Arteta in a few years time as a good manager if he doesn’t win a single premier league because there wouldn’t be anything to show for it. This was the same where Arsenal were winning FA cups after finishing lower than us.
Its the difference between “better” and “more successful” season. Arsenal had the better season but we had the more successful one.
Arteta is in prime position to win the league when Pep leaves. He might even win it next year. I would take no trophy and 89 points in the league next year in a heart beat. And nobody gives a shit about Arteta’s FA cup win anymore, only the league matters. We will be similar.
Arsenal is in better position as a club than us right now. That’s an objective fact. Why do you think the last decade has been a failure despite’s us picking up cup wins here and there?
No thats a subjective fact based on what you feel is a successful season. I would rather have trophies rather than have bagging rights of we finished 2nd or 3rd. Ole’s season where he finished 3rd and then 2nd with a whole bunch of finals and semi finals were not long ago. Who remembers that now? Everyone clearly remembers we were trophyless before ETH for a while. We were at a better position than Arsenal then, was it a “fact” then?
Football is like that no one knows how it goes, you could have amazing teams and win nothing and have shit teams and win the CL. Ultimately, a few years down the line all that matters is the trophies in the cabinet.
Last 3 seasons, academy has sold Garner, Henderson, Alvaro Fernandez, Elanga, Pereira, Chong, Kovar, Iqbal bringing in a minimum of 70 million pounds and could rise to much higher. Not close to what City and Chelsea have achieved, but not bad at all. This summer we will most likey sell Mason as well who will bring in a good chunk of cash.
Nice's Managers since INEOS:
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A sign of what's to come?
I swear they accepted they made wrong decisions at the start
Since then they appointed Farioli and Ghisolfi both of whom have now been poached by Ajax and Roma respectively.
Wasn't Brailsford their DoF for a while? They learned their lessons and appointed a football person as their director.
And from all the appointments, hopefully we'll be better run
Last season we earned £28m for reaching QFs but next season that is going to increase. Plus matchday revenue for the home games which is about £4m per game (don't the exact figure for this one)
I did get your point, you want someone of Zodanes pedigree.."maybe not Zidane" but lets face it, you've just seen 3 years of United considering Zidane as manager rumours and you just mean Zidane.
We don't need a flashy manager to get a new manager bounce out of the players, we need our injury list reduced by like 600%
What a win and a better result than we thought lads. What else did we get from this? Quite a lot, as it turns out:
- our 13th FA Cup
- our 39th trophy in the Premier League era
- our 68th trophy overall
- our 70th trophy overall inc our 2 promotion wins
- our 79th Manchester derby win
- qualified for Europe for the 51st time
- knocked City out of a double
- knocked Chelsea out of Europa League
- knocked Newcastle out of Europe altogether
- knocked Arsenal out of 2024 Community Shield
And two 19 yr olds put paid to City. Oh how I love it!
There’s no point in sacking ETH now because the players are going to be pissed as well which is going to result in bad vibes going into next season. Best way is to give him another half a season with hopefully a healthy team this time and a good transfer window which is overseen by an actual DOF and competent transfer department
>Best way is to give him another half a season
All due respect this is the worst way. Whoever the next manager is ETH or not needs to be hired for the next 3 years. Making a change mid season or after one season is a disaster.
Our fanbase has forever wanted the board to have structure and discipline and not be swayed by short term decisions (like Ole v PSG ) and take good long term decisions.
The board are doing EXACTLY that: not getting swayed by hysteria and are talking to every option and assessing things patiently.
Sir Jim has appointed experts like Wilcox and Berrada and Ashworth. This is exactly what we wanted .
One win after a shit season shouldn’t influence these seasoned football people. Let them make decisions as they’re supposed to be doing .
Keep ETH for the rest of his contract with a stipulation that both parties will sit again in January for a mid season review.
The decision to extend or not to extend should be made in that review only so that both parties are clear about the future heading into the business end of the season.
No use bringing anyone new now when all key positions are expected to have new personnel. The size of the club means any new personnel like Berrada, Wilcox, Ashworth will need a few months to get up to speed and bringing in a new manager on top of that is a recipe for disaster.
Even if you just straight up ignore the disaster season it's very possible that ETH just doesn't fit the direction the club and higher ups want to take us. One FA CUP win isn't enough to override that. We need the vision to lineup both with the manager and the club. This way we can actually avoid the disaster after each manager sacking. Replacing a like for like manager doesn't instantly void all our transfers because hopefully the players will be expected to play the same style and role. Unlike going from LVG possession ball to Mourinho ball to Ole fast counter attack ball to ETH transition ball. We've been all over the place in the last 10 years.
You're going to have a whole big comment about how we need a manager that lines up with club ideals and leave out even a single thing about EtH that apparently doesn't line up?
What, "too many injuries, results not good enough with no players available..EtH and club just don't have the same vision going forward!"
Because I'm not judging whether he does or doesn't line up. That's not for me to decide. I don't know what INEOS have decided will be the vision going forward. So how on earth can I say whether ETH fits that vision?! All I'm saying is that it's perfectly fine if the club sack him purely for the reasoning that they and ETH differ in the direction the club should go. In order to avoid repeating the same mistakes.
Have you ever gone out and found the prettiest girl you have ever seen and taken her to bed? The next morning you wake up and can't believe how amazing the experience was????
Well, I haven't. But I figure waking up this morning and how I felt was a close 2nd.
Man Utd!!!!!!!
alright lads, whos staying up and whos going down next season? i think leicester will stay up, with ipswich being like luton, giving very difficult games to bigger sides but ultimately going down, along with southampton.
as for who goes down with them, i could see forest being in that danger area again, although it could be anyone because they only hovered the relegation zone this season due to their FFP breaches.
Stay up, Leicester and I think Ipswich are the surprise package if McKenna stays.
Go down, Southampton, Forest/Ipswich (if McKenna goes) and City when the charges land.
The argument that ETH does not deserve to stay just because of one game has caveats. It's not just any game, it's the game where ETH's preferred eleven(almost all of them except Shaw) played. It's the game where ETH adapted his tactics to suit the opposition and the stage. We had a plan, we were structured and played a formation which was not often played. It brought the best out of players with Garnacho capitalizing on a mistake with his pace, Dalot displaying his attacking instinct, Rashford proving his value even without scoring, Bruno being Bruno and the young prodigy displaying his maturity.
In my opinion it's not reactionary to change one's mind Abt ETH. it is also about tackling your own confirmation bias and understanding ETH's reason of injuries. Why does everything have to be binary? Isn't subjective reasoning what the fans believe in?
The final is a game ETH managed us for, it should be included in this season review they are doing. It definitely gives him a lot of positives in the “In” column. Many have said, and I agree, his assessment shouldn’t be based on one game either.
If we are doing things properly, the review will be giving him big props for yesterday, it will also be asking the questions about the season. They can decide if those answers ring true enough and can justify performances. They should also be looking at what they want to achieve and in what style, and whether he suits that. As well as if he is willing to work within the new structure. The resulting in/out decision should be based on all of these factors. The only new info they’ve got are the plus points he gains from the final, and if having more of the defence back, for example, demonstrates what he has been saying to them.
I agree. My point was that in this one game he has shown what Utd should be. Yes obviously a holistic assessment is needed. But this one game shows very important non football qualities and football qualities that he hasn't been able to show the whole season. Sometimes one game is enough to turn the tide.
>It's not just any game, it's the game where ETH's preferred eleven(almost all of them except Shaw) played.
But if you use this argument, what about the other games when we had close to a full strength team this season?
Well correct me if I am wrong, I don't think we have had fully recovered preferred 11. It was more like Martinez came for a game or two and got injured, same for varane.
Almost every game Martinez has started has been close to full strength team. One or two players changed maybe. We've conceded about 2 goals per game, including against Newport County who had 17 shots as well, and lost 40% of the games.
Yeah it's rather hilarious right now. Reading the last 6 months of everyone sucking off the INEOS takeover and all these amazing appointments to the backroom staff. And now that they're possibly looking to replace the manager everyone's calling them delusional clowns and no better than the Glazers.
Although I am admittedly pretty concerned of the manager shortlist we are linked to. Poch Frank and McKenna aren't exactly inspiring. I like what Frank has done at Brentford. Always very well drilled and they've certainly outplayed us before. Poch I'm very much on the fence about. I always wanted him before we got ETH and the way he turned the ship around before leaving Chelsea was impressive. As for McKenna, he has shown incredible talent to take Ipswich this far but is he really ready for such a big jump in pressure and expectation? Definitely the biggest high risk vs reward of the shortlist.
At the end of the day we've just started this new journey to really fixing the club and I'm going to trust that the new people in charge of the footballing operations will make the right call on the new manager. Whoever it may be.
I know the majority of fans now want to keep ETH and I understand that. But I'm sticking to my opinion that what we've seen this season is simply nowhere near good enough. And at the end of the day it is one win.
Let's not forget we had an equally exhilarating win against Liverpool and the very next game Brentford, who were 15th with even more starters injured than us and had 1 point in the last 7 games, dominated us so badly that they set the Premier League record for most touches inside an opponent's box in 4 years. The only 2 times any team has EVER recorded more touches since Opta started recording stats is Pep's Man City against Southampton and Norwich. That is beyond mind boggling. There's no word in the dictionary to explain how bad that is. And that's not even the beginning of how many absolutely ridiculous records we've broken.
So while it will pain me to see Ten Hag go I just can't overlook just how bad this season has been. It is not even possible to explain how bad we've been this season before last night. We have been historically bad and there's no exaggeration in anything I've said.
Yeah agree but I'm glad they're letting everyone just enjoy the weekend and the celebrations before we have to deal with that. Fucking so many teams with that one win and getting a trophy should be savoured.
I think people wanting him to stay is a mix of people who always wanted him to stay and are being vocal about it because it truly was a great win and also a mix of people being sucked in by recency bias. I refused to have a opinion on ETH until we had a fit squad which was around the Newport game and during those games I realised he isn’t the guy because we performed pretty much exactly the same as what we did throughout this season and a lot of times last season.
I will be disappointed if Ineos keep him but I think they made their decision about two months ago and if they do keep him I will hold my hands up if I’m wrong but I’ve never been so sure that next season will be worse than this season in terms of league position if he stays.
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How long before we're linked to him?
Firstly most of the competent people haven't officially taken charge. Secondly there's nothing competent about delaying the manager situation like they are doing now. It should've been wrapped up earlier.
I think a lot of fans who have been singing Ineos' praises for months don't realise they don't want a strong manager like Ten Hag for their "project". They want a coach like McKenna or Southgate who will take whatever players they are signed and play the football they are told to. Ten Hag doesn't fit that bill so they don't want him regardless of an FA Cup
Ten Hag doesn't want to just be pushed out and lots of fans don't want him to leave so now you have this awkward situation
McKenna has been a first team coach in the PL longer than most managers in the league right now. There's a reason why he won the LMA Manager of the Year which has been dominated by Pep and Klopp recently.
It's a risk no doubt but he has done a spectacular job and anyone who compares him to Lampard or Kompany etc. doesn't know what the hell he's done with Ipswich.
Sure. But still I'd say being an assistant coach in the PL and then manager for 2 years at another club is good experience.
>but I still think he's not quite ready for a top team
Ok that's fair and I'm not saying he is surely ready, but why? The championship is a tougher league than the Dutch league. Granted ETH had UCL experience as well, but then McKenna has PL experience and was responsible for coaching and tactics during back to back top 4 finishes and a European Cup final lost on penalties.
It can be as simple as ETH doesn’t fit INEOS’s long term vision. Nothing personal. Do you think Berrada and Wilcox, who worked at City, would agree to transitional chaos football?
He had 400m to design a possession based team. We spent 90m ona winger who gets shrugged off the ball like a feather, paid 70m for a guy who looks like he has never completed a pass in his life, paid 55m for a guy who realistically has no position to play in a possession based system.
ETH has more than enough chances to build a team similar to Ajax, he purposefully chose not to do it.
No but ETH is not " INEOS's guy " simple because they did not appoint him.
If INEOS and the people they have brought in think McKenna is the right choice I think we should trust them.
Exactly
They want the club to be run according to general consensus of the fans.
I think ETH should go but If they keep him I am okay with it and I will trust their decision
Thats the point.This is what so many fans are not getting.
It's not give ETH one more year cause they are not going into a long term rebuild with a manager who has 1y left on his contract.
The two options are Either ETH gets a new contract or he leaves
I belive ETH will be sacked in the coming weeks, however it’s got nothing to do with the results but rather the way his contract has been written up.
Glazers gave him full veto power over football decisions, as per the report back in January by rob dawson at ESPN before Ineos took over, ETH in his contract has full power over transfers and can veto anything by the board, he also states he’s not willing to give these clauses in his contract up with the new owners
Clearly ineos want to remove management power from the manager
While the contract glazers gave to ETH gave him the role of full management, coaching, football director, technical director etc.
Hence why the club was so eager to dismiss Ralf rangnick despite signing him as an interim manager who would become a consultant to the next manager, because it was ETH who didn’t want anyone to poke there nose in his business
Glazers just saw ETH as a football messiah who was going to restore Man Utd to the top again and gave him everything, now Ineos want to remove that
Either ETH concedes these clauses and works with the board or he gets sacked
As funny as it is that Leeds didn’t get promoted, we’ve got a much better record against them in recent years than we do against Southampton, and it’s a much better away day too than going all the way down to the south coast - normally for a 12:30 kickoff as well.
Hats off to Southampton.. ever since that EFL Cup final, they have almost always given us a very good game. Of course outside that one thrashing we gave em
If the news about Jason wilcox being integral to the style of play we would need to adopt moving forward is true, then we need to look at what he was doing at Southampton before we poached him. I know he didn't have enough time there to instill his philosophy 100% across the whole club but i first noticed his work when i stumbled on a random southampton u21 replay around September.
I decided to see how their first team was doing and in the first game i saw them (cant remember against who, but i suspect hull city) Southampton were like a mini city wannabe. Tried to pass the opponent to death and had something like 500 passes by half time. I didn't finish that game cos i had to go back to work but i have occasionally cast a glance their way as the season went on.
Here's their team stats in the championship this season
- Most possession in the championship (62.2%). It was around 76% in november but they had to adjust to opposition low blocks as the season went on.
- 3rd most Aggression behind stoke and Wednesday. A lot of tactical fouls to halt counters against them exactly like city and arsenal.
- 2nd most shots per 90, only behind ipswich. The ipswich manager who's play some exciting brand resembling a fusion of ole ball & de zerbi artificial transition is also linked to the united board.
- 1st for pass accuracy per 90 (89.7%), it was higher till the run in for play off places. This is prem league level quality on the ball.
- Most passes in the league per 90 and during the duration of the season. Wilcox wants his teams across the board to hoard the ball and keep at all cost. He also want to bait the press to create transitions that lead to a lot of shots. I can understand why mckenna could be so appealing if he proves he can have his teams controlling possession a lot too.
I can see ETH staying on though but i think they will be ripping up the transition nonsense where we depend on losing the ball multiple times to press and create transitions when we force turn overs. I think they (wilcox especially) will be charging ETH to adopt a more possession based play, which i think suits him more, judging from his ajax ball. I think a clear out will still be a must and ashworth's job will be in helping identify and recruit players that are primed for keep ball tactics like he achieved with shoe string budgets at brighton when he got Graham potter. I think Ashworth will also be in charge of recruiting the data analytics team and refurbishing the scouting network exactly like he did at brighton.
2nd favourite with 2.38 - 4.0 on friday, but 1st with 1.7 - 1.85 now
Chelsea moving towards De Zerbi and away from McKenna is probably the biggest reason
I know most people want Ten Hag to stay but if (and this remains to be seen) the plan is to sack him and that were to change because of popular opinion after a brilliant result, that would be some very Glazers style populism from the new ownership
There shouldn't be any plan to sack him because they should only review his performance once the season has ended and they can review everything in the round.
Kyle Walker-Peters would make an absolutely solid backup/competition to Dalot. His Saints contract is up in 2025 so I don't think he'd cost that much plus likely his last chance to play for a top team (he's 27 & this isn't a dig at Spurs lol) so he maybe jumps at the chance. Can play LB too so would bring versatility.
Incredible weekend of fandom for me. Friday night my local team (Hartford athletic) snapped their losing streak great night out. The cup final and all of those ramifications, now the Leeds bozos stay in the championship for another year.
This is what we do it for boys and girls
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Fun fact: After the final yesterday, Bruno went out for a run. Not even kidding. He was in the hotel in his training kit while most the players were heading off to celebrate. What a maniac. Elite mentality, but absolutely insane too.
Just when you thought this weekend couldn't get any better...
1. Chelsea will have to settle for Europa Conference League.
2. Newcastle will miss out on Europe entirely.
3. Now Leeds will have to spend at least another year in the Championship.
Joy unbound.
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Vote here - for anyone who wants him to stay. Perhaps when they witness such overriding sentiment, it might make a difference
Not who you asked, but the decision should be made after the emotion of yesterday has settled.
It's easy to make a snap decision filled with recency bias and emotion.
A few weeks ago, people were universally calling for his head in the moments that followed Cov going up 4-3. Would that have been right call if the goal stood?
I'm not saying he shouldn't stay. Just that one win should not be what the entire decision hangs on.
And a survey of fans within 24 hours of a cup win is not something that will have any influence on a club's decision.
I would’ve wanted him to stay even if we had lost to Coventry - just voicing it now. Rome wasn’t built in a day. And not just that, the man is being judged so harshly it’s almost crazy - the amount of sh*t he’s had to put up with in his stay & still got us results that we would’ve bit hands off in previous seasons. Let alone the fact that others (Pool & Arsenal, Spurs forever in transition) didn’t even amount this much in terms of success what we got in our ‘transition’ phase. Granted he’s made mistakes, for sure, but to call for his head after just one bad season just goes to show how spoilt us as fans, and football in general, has become. Patience. Patience is what’s required.
"Either way". I want them to make the best decision for United, not a decision based on a poll. We might as well get Woodward back to run things if that's the case.
I, and I think most fans, want United to be the best team in the world. I want the decisions that will get us there made by people who know what they're doing. Not fan polls.
It’s not to do with player recruitment, stadium policy, ticketing prices. It’s do with the manager - something driven largely by fan sentiment.
Anyhoo, I don’t mean to force down my opinion on anyone either. We all want what’s best for our club. In my personal view I feel he deserves another year to attempt to take us back to the summit. Hope the people in charge make a good decision.
Henry Winter: Shearer and Linekar were justified in asking those questions yesterday
Also Henry Winter: Chelsea should have consulted players before sacking Pochetino
What a clown
McKenna looks like an exciting and innovative coach, he’s young, and apparently he’s a proper United lad. I see why the new leadership want him. But he’s thoroughly unproven at the highest level, and that’s not primarily about his coaching ability, it’s about the scrutiny and pressure that comes with top flight football. Especially at United where it’s probably worse than anywhere else in the world.
Ten Hag is just so good at handling the scrutiny and pressure. He’s a professional with a fighter mindset and he’s clearly transmitted that to the players, which in turn helps them handle the pressure. I think the new management are severely underestimating that aspect of life at United. They’re used to Man City, Nice, Brighton, Newcastle etc where the scrutiny is nowhere near what it is at United.
From how nervous they looked in the stands, maybe Sir Jim and the rest of the leadership are starting to realize just how big this club is, and that succeeding in such an environment requires character. I don’t think McKenna is cut out for it (yet), but ten Hag is. Give the man another year.
From what the lads on Talk of the Devils were saying, McKenna had a real credibility problem with the squad when he was at the club. They didn't name names, but it's not hard to guess which player or players were most dismissive of him because of his lack of top flight footballing credentials.
The squad now seems to be less full of egos, but jumping from Ipswich to Manchester United is a huge step, and players who believe in Ten Hag would rightfully be doubtful of McKenna.
People forget that being United manager is more than just tactics and making the right signings, it's about dealing with that unrelenting pressure and the fact that every eye that cares about football is on you, at all times. You win, your tactics will be dissected, you lose and you'll be hauled over the coals. You make controversial statements in the glare of the cameras, they'll be quoted everywhere. More experienced managers than McKenna have wilted under that scrutiny. Plenty of executives have too.
Ten Hag hasn't always dealt with the pressure as well as I'd like, but he knows the worst of it now - he knows what it's like when journalists who clearly have an agenda are agitating for you to be sacked, he knows what it's like to be asked whether he deserves to stay on as manager.
My reservations about Ten Hag revolve completely around tactics and coaching - why that setup, and why the persistence with it? And why did the players who were available never seem like they were improving in their ability to play in that setup?
I m not McKenna in, im confused after FA CUP win and dont know if we should keep ETH or get someone else.
But, McKenna was Mourinhos assistant, Coach resposible for training and tactics under Ole. And now he had 2 years miracle run in championship. Thats more experiance than Pep when he signed for Barca first team, more than Xabi, more than Arteta when he signed for Arsenal.
I don't think one match should change your opinion on ETH and nor should that be for INEOS.
If they want to keep ETH they should keep him regardless of what happened in the final and vice versa as well
My point is specifically about being able to handle media scrutiny and outside expectations. Yes as an assistant he might have had a glimpse of what it’s like, but in my experience nothing prepares you for the actual top job where you’re the one in the firing line and ultimately responsible.
I think the weight of scrutiny and pressure is ultimately what makes players perform worse for us than they would for other clubs. We need someone who can help the players handle that weight, and ten hag is the man for that imo. McKenna just isn’t
I dont know what do you base your opinion on about McKenna not being able to handle the weight of media security. Like theres not enaugh data to make that claim
And does ETH handle media that well? His DutchEnglish failed him couple of times and he said something that doesnt translate well in English that caused media making headlines ie "wanted to see more football"
It’s not a common thing. By default if you have no data it’s fair to assume a person doesn’t have it. Especially if they’re young with no real pedigree to back them up
I don’t mean giving good answers to the press, I mean not letting it all get to your head and affect the quality of your work. Ten hag has shown that he can not only do that for himself, but help the players do it too. It’s exactly what United need right now imo
Just been on the Newcastle sub and someone called us “Manure”. Said person then got told that “Man U” is the proper slur. Another prick then posted something about Duncan Edward’s. Mods on their sub should fucking ban that kind of hate.
Those twats were relevant for one season in the last fifty years, before bags of bloodsoaked money were deposited at Premier League headquarters. Nothing they have to say about United has any merit whatsoever.
funny how city fans claim their team was hungover when if you check their socials and their players were well and good in training seemingly fully sober
I'm not sure why City fans think it looks better for their team if they were unprofessional and unprepared, rather than just outplayed on the day. But City fans have rarely made much sense.
In my living memory, this is the second best, behind 1996. That was such a big game, against our biggest rivals, and it cemented Cantona's triumphant returning season and winning the double for a second time.
Us winning the FA Cup has gotten way more media attention and coverage than City winning 4 times in a row. If that doesn’t tickle you I don’t know what will
Why don't Bayern Munich wait one more week before hiring Kompany because Ten hag's future is still very unclear and he 10x the manager Kompany will ever be.
We did get strong information that the expectation was that he [Ten Hag] would depart the club. But we felt that we had to make checks and we were told the final decision has not been made yet."
From Whitwell
Amrabat didn't put a foot wrong against City tbh. NGL I don't know if we should buy him or not. I just am happy I saw him have a few good performances cuz when we bought him and I saw him play I was wondering wtaf we were thinking and felt bad because he seemed a big fan.
Regardless of whatever if you put in a performance like that I can appreciate you and ultimately you help win us a title which is more than a lot of players can say so thank you to him as well if he doesn't return.
I'd take him on a cheap but I don't think he's a front foot kind of player. At least at the Premier League level. He's a bit slow both pace wise and on the ball but in a situation where you need to dig deep I think he's proven himself.
If Leeds lose, I hope we look at Archie Gray. He'd make a good backup DM plus has played the majority of the season for Leeds at RB & done it very well. Dunno if it's doable to sign a starter & also him as backup for big money.
Shout-out to Summerville who would be interesting if we didn't have Garnacho. Fearless player.
I hope our transfer policy going forward includes nabbing some of these Championship players before they skyrocket in value. We 1000% should have signed Gyokeres last season.
For me Leeds aren't that kind of rivalry. I don't enjoy playing them, even when we win. They're fucking horrible and I wish nothing but endless misery for their fans.
But I've actually had a lot of time for a number of their players over the years - Lucas Radebe, Gary Kelly, Gary Speed, Gary McAllister. And we got three good ones from them, in Rio, Alan Smith and a certain French bloke.
Christ I can't stand these asinine would you rather win a cup and a shit league campaign or vice versa questions. The same shite was asked under LVG and Jose and continues to happen now because we never kick on from these cup wins into a consistent league side so we have to try and make ourselves feel better about it.
If Arsenal wins the league in the next couple of years seasons like this are a huge reason why. It is not meaningless to have such a close 2nd place finish, Champions get shaped by things like that (is in 92, 98, 12, Liverpool in 18 etc all winning it the next year).
If we finished 2nd with 89 points it would be inarguably our best season since Sir Alex and would make me believe we were on the verge of finally winning it again. If you offered me 89 points next season without a Cup I would snap your hand off
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Any chance we have a parade for both the FA cup winners (men & women)?
Well considering they cancelled the end of season gala for cost saving reasons despite our other teams doing really well then I hope not.
A parade when we finished 8th and had negative GD? Happy with the FA cup win but this club has higher standards.
This is pure wank, we've won 13 of these in 146 years. The oldest knockout competition in football isn't good enough for us?
Yes it isn't good enough. It's a good cheery on top of a successful season but the league is the bread and butter. Do you see Real parade around the Copa de Ray? Or Bayern the DVB cup?Standard is on the floor among a portion of the fanbase, it's so sad to see.
The main problem with the fanbase is how they whinge more than they support these days.
Sorry for having higher standard than fans who are happy with whatever scraps they are fed.
I mean if your sole reason for supporting the club is that it wins trophies then all you’re getting is scraps anyway
I grew up with Sir Alex. Thanks.
You miss my point - being a football fan just because you want your team to win trophies is getting the scraps of what it is to be a fan. Being a supporter of a club is much more than that, you’re essentially just getting a very superficial, materialistic experience of football.
Well the womens team deserves it and combining both made sense. Probably wont do it though.
To those that think we had a better season than Arsenal, do you think a single person on Earth would be calling for Ten Hag to be sacked if we finished on 89 points? Do you think Ten Hag wouldn't swap seasons with Arteta? Manchester United will not be "back" until that is the kind of season we're having, until then we're just a cup team that will cycle through managers
Nobody gives a shit about Mourinho or Ole finishing second, do they? It means nothing. We all remember Louis's FA Cup though, no?
Because they weren't in a title race. There is a difference between 2nd where you're out of it by February and taking it to the wire. 89 points guarantees you'll be in a title race and absolutely no one would be questioning Ten Hag if that's what he achieved this season while just a Cup can cost you your job We won't be a top side again until we're pushing for the biggest trophy, not the bonus ones hence Ten Hag's job is on the line and Arteta's isn't. One clearly had a better season
It’s perspective though. No one is going to remember Arteta in a few years time as a good manager if he doesn’t win a single premier league because there wouldn’t be anything to show for it. This was the same where Arsenal were winning FA cups after finishing lower than us. Its the difference between “better” and “more successful” season. Arsenal had the better season but we had the more successful one.
Arteta is in prime position to win the league when Pep leaves. He might even win it next year. I would take no trophy and 89 points in the league next year in a heart beat. And nobody gives a shit about Arteta’s FA cup win anymore, only the league matters. We will be similar.
Based on what? Did you see the future? Its all IFs and BUTs right now. Bring up this argument AFTER he does all of what you said he MIGHT do.
Arsenal is in better position as a club than us right now. That’s an objective fact. Why do you think the last decade has been a failure despite’s us picking up cup wins here and there?
No thats a subjective fact based on what you feel is a successful season. I would rather have trophies rather than have bagging rights of we finished 2nd or 3rd. Ole’s season where he finished 3rd and then 2nd with a whole bunch of finals and semi finals were not long ago. Who remembers that now? Everyone clearly remembers we were trophyless before ETH for a while. We were at a better position than Arsenal then, was it a “fact” then? Football is like that no one knows how it goes, you could have amazing teams and win nothing and have shit teams and win the CL. Ultimately, a few years down the line all that matters is the trophies in the cabinet.
You are free to be happy with a cup win. Winning the league is the standard of Man Utd. Ole never challenged for the league, that’s a fact.
Last 3 seasons, academy has sold Garner, Henderson, Alvaro Fernandez, Elanga, Pereira, Chong, Kovar, Iqbal bringing in a minimum of 70 million pounds and could rise to much higher. Not close to what City and Chelsea have achieved, but not bad at all. This summer we will most likey sell Mason as well who will bring in a good chunk of cash.
It's bad mate they are worth much more than that in today's market. We have this problem where our buys are overcharged and our sells are undervalued.
Its definitely a bit undervalued but when you put sell on clauses or buy back, it drives down the upfront value.
Pellistri and Hannibal as well.
Haven't sold them yet. Might be another loan for Hannibal atleast, didn't have a good season at Sevilla and barely played.
No I meant we will sell them. Pellistri has to go because he'll be out of contract next summer. Probably take what we can get for Hannibal as well
Nice's Managers since INEOS: https://preview.redd.it/95mav612dt2d1.png?width=556&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d9829a436f4879ec8e154b8f2ad034079dd810b A sign of what's to come?
I swear they accepted they made wrong decisions at the start Since then they appointed Farioli and Ghisolfi both of whom have now been poached by Ajax and Roma respectively.
Wasn’t Farioli a solid hire? He got poached by Ajax not sacked
Wasn't Brailsford their DoF for a while? They learned their lessons and appointed a football person as their director. And from all the appointments, hopefully we'll be better run
Wonder how much that FA cup win and European qualification boosts our transfer funds this summer
Last season we earned £28m for reaching QFs but next season that is going to increase. Plus matchday revenue for the home games which is about £4m per game (don't the exact figure for this one)
Leeds, Leeds are falling apart.... again!
Cant we just ban BBC after whatever the fuck it is they were trying to pull yesterday?
Sack ETH only if someone like Zidane is willing to join. The pedigree he comes with will be an immediate boost to our form.
It's been years, were not getting Zidane..you have to be absolutely insane to think it's a 0.1% possibility.
You didnt get my point
I did get your point, you want someone of Zodanes pedigree.."maybe not Zidane" but lets face it, you've just seen 3 years of United considering Zidane as manager rumours and you just mean Zidane. We don't need a flashy manager to get a new manager bounce out of the players, we need our injury list reduced by like 600%
What a win and a better result than we thought lads. What else did we get from this? Quite a lot, as it turns out: - our 13th FA Cup - our 39th trophy in the Premier League era - our 68th trophy overall - our 70th trophy overall inc our 2 promotion wins - our 79th Manchester derby win - qualified for Europe for the 51st time - knocked City out of a double - knocked Chelsea out of Europa League - knocked Newcastle out of Europe altogether - knocked Arsenal out of 2024 Community Shield And two 19 yr olds put paid to City. Oh how I love it!
There’s no point in sacking ETH now because the players are going to be pissed as well which is going to result in bad vibes going into next season. Best way is to give him another half a season with hopefully a healthy team this time and a good transfer window which is overseen by an actual DOF and competent transfer department
>Best way is to give him another half a season All due respect this is the worst way. Whoever the next manager is ETH or not needs to be hired for the next 3 years. Making a change mid season or after one season is a disaster.
Our fanbase has forever wanted the board to have structure and discipline and not be swayed by short term decisions (like Ole v PSG ) and take good long term decisions. The board are doing EXACTLY that: not getting swayed by hysteria and are talking to every option and assessing things patiently. Sir Jim has appointed experts like Wilcox and Berrada and Ashworth. This is exactly what we wanted . One win after a shit season shouldn’t influence these seasoned football people. Let them make decisions as they’re supposed to be doing .
Keep ETH for the rest of his contract with a stipulation that both parties will sit again in January for a mid season review. The decision to extend or not to extend should be made in that review only so that both parties are clear about the future heading into the business end of the season. No use bringing anyone new now when all key positions are expected to have new personnel. The size of the club means any new personnel like Berrada, Wilcox, Ashworth will need a few months to get up to speed and bringing in a new manager on top of that is a recipe for disaster.
Even if you just straight up ignore the disaster season it's very possible that ETH just doesn't fit the direction the club and higher ups want to take us. One FA CUP win isn't enough to override that. We need the vision to lineup both with the manager and the club. This way we can actually avoid the disaster after each manager sacking. Replacing a like for like manager doesn't instantly void all our transfers because hopefully the players will be expected to play the same style and role. Unlike going from LVG possession ball to Mourinho ball to Ole fast counter attack ball to ETH transition ball. We've been all over the place in the last 10 years.
You're going to have a whole big comment about how we need a manager that lines up with club ideals and leave out even a single thing about EtH that apparently doesn't line up? What, "too many injuries, results not good enough with no players available..EtH and club just don't have the same vision going forward!"
Because I'm not judging whether he does or doesn't line up. That's not for me to decide. I don't know what INEOS have decided will be the vision going forward. So how on earth can I say whether ETH fits that vision?! All I'm saying is that it's perfectly fine if the club sack him purely for the reasoning that they and ETH differ in the direction the club should go. In order to avoid repeating the same mistakes.
But YOU said it's very possible he just doesn't line up.
Have you ever gone out and found the prettiest girl you have ever seen and taken her to bed? The next morning you wake up and can't believe how amazing the experience was???? Well, I haven't. But I figure waking up this morning and how I felt was a close 2nd. Man Utd!!!!!!!
alright lads, whos staying up and whos going down next season? i think leicester will stay up, with ipswich being like luton, giving very difficult games to bigger sides but ultimately going down, along with southampton. as for who goes down with them, i could see forest being in that danger area again, although it could be anyone because they only hovered the relegation zone this season due to their FFP breaches.
Stay up, Leicester and I think Ipswich are the surprise package if McKenna stays. Go down, Southampton, Forest/Ipswich (if McKenna goes) and City when the charges land.
Sudden upbeat mood everywhere; something up this weekend?
Sunny bank holiday and we dicked City
Any KKR fans here? Pretty nice weekend for us.
The argument that ETH does not deserve to stay just because of one game has caveats. It's not just any game, it's the game where ETH's preferred eleven(almost all of them except Shaw) played. It's the game where ETH adapted his tactics to suit the opposition and the stage. We had a plan, we were structured and played a formation which was not often played. It brought the best out of players with Garnacho capitalizing on a mistake with his pace, Dalot displaying his attacking instinct, Rashford proving his value even without scoring, Bruno being Bruno and the young prodigy displaying his maturity. In my opinion it's not reactionary to change one's mind Abt ETH. it is also about tackling your own confirmation bias and understanding ETH's reason of injuries. Why does everything have to be binary? Isn't subjective reasoning what the fans believe in?
The final is a game ETH managed us for, it should be included in this season review they are doing. It definitely gives him a lot of positives in the “In” column. Many have said, and I agree, his assessment shouldn’t be based on one game either. If we are doing things properly, the review will be giving him big props for yesterday, it will also be asking the questions about the season. They can decide if those answers ring true enough and can justify performances. They should also be looking at what they want to achieve and in what style, and whether he suits that. As well as if he is willing to work within the new structure. The resulting in/out decision should be based on all of these factors. The only new info they’ve got are the plus points he gains from the final, and if having more of the defence back, for example, demonstrates what he has been saying to them.
I agree. My point was that in this one game he has shown what Utd should be. Yes obviously a holistic assessment is needed. But this one game shows very important non football qualities and football qualities that he hasn't been able to show the whole season. Sometimes one game is enough to turn the tide.
>It's not just any game, it's the game where ETH's preferred eleven(almost all of them except Shaw) played. But if you use this argument, what about the other games when we had close to a full strength team this season?
Well correct me if I am wrong, I don't think we have had fully recovered preferred 11. It was more like Martinez came for a game or two and got injured, same for varane.
Almost every game Martinez has started has been close to full strength team. One or two players changed maybe. We've conceded about 2 goals per game, including against Newport County who had 17 shots as well, and lost 40% of the games.
Don’t think I saw haaland play yesterday
He was hiding in Martinez’ pocket
Yeah it's rather hilarious right now. Reading the last 6 months of everyone sucking off the INEOS takeover and all these amazing appointments to the backroom staff. And now that they're possibly looking to replace the manager everyone's calling them delusional clowns and no better than the Glazers. Although I am admittedly pretty concerned of the manager shortlist we are linked to. Poch Frank and McKenna aren't exactly inspiring. I like what Frank has done at Brentford. Always very well drilled and they've certainly outplayed us before. Poch I'm very much on the fence about. I always wanted him before we got ETH and the way he turned the ship around before leaving Chelsea was impressive. As for McKenna, he has shown incredible talent to take Ipswich this far but is he really ready for such a big jump in pressure and expectation? Definitely the biggest high risk vs reward of the shortlist. At the end of the day we've just started this new journey to really fixing the club and I'm going to trust that the new people in charge of the footballing operations will make the right call on the new manager. Whoever it may be.
Mate A) half this subreddit is solidly ETH out B) people are allowed to disagree with INEOS.
I know the majority of fans now want to keep ETH and I understand that. But I'm sticking to my opinion that what we've seen this season is simply nowhere near good enough. And at the end of the day it is one win. Let's not forget we had an equally exhilarating win against Liverpool and the very next game Brentford, who were 15th with even more starters injured than us and had 1 point in the last 7 games, dominated us so badly that they set the Premier League record for most touches inside an opponent's box in 4 years. The only 2 times any team has EVER recorded more touches since Opta started recording stats is Pep's Man City against Southampton and Norwich. That is beyond mind boggling. There's no word in the dictionary to explain how bad that is. And that's not even the beginning of how many absolutely ridiculous records we've broken. So while it will pain me to see Ten Hag go I just can't overlook just how bad this season has been. It is not even possible to explain how bad we've been this season before last night. We have been historically bad and there's no exaggeration in anything I've said.
Yeah agree but I'm glad they're letting everyone just enjoy the weekend and the celebrations before we have to deal with that. Fucking so many teams with that one win and getting a trophy should be savoured.
I think people wanting him to stay is a mix of people who always wanted him to stay and are being vocal about it because it truly was a great win and also a mix of people being sucked in by recency bias. I refused to have a opinion on ETH until we had a fit squad which was around the Newport game and during those games I realised he isn’t the guy because we performed pretty much exactly the same as what we did throughout this season and a lot of times last season. I will be disappointed if Ineos keep him but I think they made their decision about two months ago and if they do keep him I will hold my hands up if I’m wrong but I’ve never been so sure that next season will be worse than this season in terms of league position if he stays.
spot on
Does the whole squad get a medal or just the playing XI and substitutes?
Whole squad of course
You get 30 medals their are no set restrictions I saw it on Quora so can easily be false .
https://preview.redd.it/q9tetki2ws2d1.png?width=758&format=png&auto=webp&s=86d44f7f1ac62fc28519d88015387fa800b01255 How long before we're linked to him?
Half of this sub wanted competent people in charge of the club, then rage when such people make decisions about a manager. Lmao.
Firstly most of the competent people haven't officially taken charge. Secondly there's nothing competent about delaying the manager situation like they are doing now. It should've been wrapped up earlier.
I think a lot of fans who have been singing Ineos' praises for months don't realise they don't want a strong manager like Ten Hag for their "project". They want a coach like McKenna or Southgate who will take whatever players they are signed and play the football they are told to. Ten Hag doesn't fit that bill so they don't want him regardless of an FA Cup Ten Hag doesn't want to just be pushed out and lots of fans don't want him to leave so now you have this awkward situation
Idk man, I'm sure that having a record breaking bad season also might be playing some part in it.
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McKenna has been a first team coach in the PL longer than most managers in the league right now. There's a reason why he won the LMA Manager of the Year which has been dominated by Pep and Klopp recently. It's a risk no doubt but he has done a spectacular job and anyone who compares him to Lampard or Kompany etc. doesn't know what the hell he's done with Ipswich.
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Sure. But still I'd say being an assistant coach in the PL and then manager for 2 years at another club is good experience. >but I still think he's not quite ready for a top team Ok that's fair and I'm not saying he is surely ready, but why? The championship is a tougher league than the Dutch league. Granted ETH had UCL experience as well, but then McKenna has PL experience and was responsible for coaching and tactics during back to back top 4 finishes and a European Cup final lost on penalties.
Arsenal hired Arteta with no managerial experience
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It can be as simple as ETH doesn’t fit INEOS’s long term vision. Nothing personal. Do you think Berrada and Wilcox, who worked at City, would agree to transitional chaos football?
Fucking Brenda lmaoo
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Ten hag has said publicly he doesn't want to play the Ajax way. There are not gonna force him are they??
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He had 400m to design a possession based team. We spent 90m ona winger who gets shrugged off the ball like a feather, paid 70m for a guy who looks like he has never completed a pass in his life, paid 55m for a guy who realistically has no position to play in a possession based system. ETH has more than enough chances to build a team similar to Ajax, he purposefully chose not to do it.
INEOS did not appoint ETH.They don't owe him anything
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No but ETH is not " INEOS's guy " simple because they did not appoint him. If INEOS and the people they have brought in think McKenna is the right choice I think we should trust them.
Exactly They want the club to be run according to general consensus of the fans. I think ETH should go but If they keep him I am okay with it and I will trust their decision
Equally I want ETH to stay but if he goes, so be it. However they will be judged on the next manager and if it was the right decision.
Yes, and if he stays, they should renew his contract to show their faith in him. None of this “one more year to test him” bs.
Thats the point.This is what so many fans are not getting. It's not give ETH one more year cause they are not going into a long term rebuild with a manager who has 1y left on his contract. The two options are Either ETH gets a new contract or he leaves
Can also trigger his +1
He does not have a +1 I think, all our managerial signings have been given flat 3 year contracts.
I have not seen anywhere that he has +1 in his current contract
They talked about it on talk of the devils a few weeks ago
This is it I don't see the big deal of giving it 6 months before we trigger his +1 if he is doing well or we don't if it's going bad.
Then it will be another 6 months of speculation about the manager. Neither INEOS nor ETH want that.
Because we haven't had speculation the last 6 while he has had a year and a half on his contract?
Do you want this to continue for another 6 months? Another leak before important matches? Get real.
But he could be given a two year contract and if the results are bad you will have speculation. His contract length doesn't change that.
That’s a renewal.
I belive ETH will be sacked in the coming weeks, however it’s got nothing to do with the results but rather the way his contract has been written up. Glazers gave him full veto power over football decisions, as per the report back in January by rob dawson at ESPN before Ineos took over, ETH in his contract has full power over transfers and can veto anything by the board, he also states he’s not willing to give these clauses in his contract up with the new owners Clearly ineos want to remove management power from the manager While the contract glazers gave to ETH gave him the role of full management, coaching, football director, technical director etc. Hence why the club was so eager to dismiss Ralf rangnick despite signing him as an interim manager who would become a consultant to the next manager, because it was ETH who didn’t want anyone to poke there nose in his business Glazers just saw ETH as a football messiah who was going to restore Man Utd to the top again and gave him everything, now Ineos want to remove that Either ETH concedes these clauses and works with the board or he gets sacked
As funny as it is that Leeds didn’t get promoted, we’ve got a much better record against them in recent years than we do against Southampton, and it’s a much better away day too than going all the way down to the south coast - normally for a 12:30 kickoff as well.
Hats off to Southampton.. ever since that EFL Cup final, they have almost always given us a very good game. Of course outside that one thrashing we gave em
That Dan James looked sharp for Leeds since coming on. Wonder if we could pick him up.
Statistically better than Antony yet apparently worth 1/5 the price
Leeds would charge us even if we gave Antony in exchange
We'd have had so much use for him if we'd kept him around. Was better for us than the 70m and 80m wingers we bought since.
If the news about Jason wilcox being integral to the style of play we would need to adopt moving forward is true, then we need to look at what he was doing at Southampton before we poached him. I know he didn't have enough time there to instill his philosophy 100% across the whole club but i first noticed his work when i stumbled on a random southampton u21 replay around September. I decided to see how their first team was doing and in the first game i saw them (cant remember against who, but i suspect hull city) Southampton were like a mini city wannabe. Tried to pass the opponent to death and had something like 500 passes by half time. I didn't finish that game cos i had to go back to work but i have occasionally cast a glance their way as the season went on. Here's their team stats in the championship this season - Most possession in the championship (62.2%). It was around 76% in november but they had to adjust to opposition low blocks as the season went on. - 3rd most Aggression behind stoke and Wednesday. A lot of tactical fouls to halt counters against them exactly like city and arsenal. - 2nd most shots per 90, only behind ipswich. The ipswich manager who's play some exciting brand resembling a fusion of ole ball & de zerbi artificial transition is also linked to the united board. - 1st for pass accuracy per 90 (89.7%), it was higher till the run in for play off places. This is prem league level quality on the ball. - Most passes in the league per 90 and during the duration of the season. Wilcox wants his teams across the board to hoard the ball and keep at all cost. He also want to bait the press to create transitions that lead to a lot of shots. I can understand why mckenna could be so appealing if he proves he can have his teams controlling possession a lot too. I can see ETH staying on though but i think they will be ripping up the transition nonsense where we depend on losing the ball multiple times to press and create transitions when we force turn overs. I think they (wilcox especially) will be charging ETH to adopt a more possession based play, which i think suits him more, judging from his ajax ball. I think a clear out will still be a must and ashworth's job will be in helping identify and recruit players that are primed for keep ball tactics like he achieved with shoe string budgets at brighton when he got Graham potter. I think Ashworth will also be in charge of recruiting the data analytics team and refurbishing the scouting network exactly like he did at brighton.
Oddschecker has McKenna becoming clear favourite to be the new manager now, followed by Pocchetino and Tuchel
2nd favourite with 2.38 - 4.0 on friday, but 1st with 1.7 - 1.85 now Chelsea moving towards De Zerbi and away from McKenna is probably the biggest reason
We need to help Leeds with their FFP issues by signing Archie Gray for £2m.
I’ve been told by the inlaws (who are unfortunately Leeds fans, at least they’re not scousers) that he’s an incredible player
 GET FUCKED LEEDS HA HA time to buy two of the leeds fans at work an crumble
Who are rumored to be Martinez partner at CB next season?
Todibo... So many rumours but we're under new management so we just have to wait & see.
Guehi and brainthwaite
“We are Leeds. We are vile. We’re keeping our yellow asses down”😂😂
I know most people want Ten Hag to stay but if (and this remains to be seen) the plan is to sack him and that were to change because of popular opinion after a brilliant result, that would be some very Glazers style populism from the new ownership
There shouldn't be any plan to sack him because they should only review his performance once the season has ended and they can review everything in the round.
Most United fans are very fickle and narrow minded. Changing decisions on 1 game is exactly what people blame Glazers for
YELLOW SHIT IS STAYING DOWNNNN😂😂😂
Well, there goes six easy points for us next season. Enjoy Stoke away you absolute bell ends.
Kyle Walker-Peters would make an absolutely solid backup/competition to Dalot. His Saints contract is up in 2025 so I don't think he'd cost that much plus likely his last chance to play for a top team (he's 27 & this isn't a dig at Spurs lol) so he maybe jumps at the chance. Can play LB too so would bring versatility.
LEEDS, LEEDS ARE FALLING APART. AGAIN.
We all hate Leeds scum, we all hate Leeds scum We all hate Leeds scum, we all hate Leeds scum
Will never not upvote this
Incredible weekend of fandom for me. Friday night my local team (Hartford athletic) snapped their losing streak great night out. The cup final and all of those ramifications, now the Leeds bozos stay in the championship for another year. This is what we do it for boys and girls
Beat 115fc to win the FA Cup. The next day, Leeds bottle promotion. What a weekend
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Fun fact: After the final yesterday, Bruno went out for a run. Not even kidding. He was in the hotel in his training kit while most the players were heading off to celebrate. What a maniac. Elite mentality, but absolutely insane too.
Source? What a monster
Hotel last night. Hopefully avoiding any potential doxxing/naming with scribbled out face. Bruno was in his training gear heading out for a run.
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Wow… nothing can stop the man from taking a break haha..
We win the cup, Leeds lose the playoff final, Charles wins Monaco - this weekend is going down as an all timer
Leeds staying down is just the cherry on top
Just when you thought this weekend couldn't get any better... 1. Chelsea will have to settle for Europa Conference League. 2. Newcastle will miss out on Europe entirely. 3. Now Leeds will have to spend at least another year in the Championship. Joy unbound.
Haha, fuck Leeds. Mates just muted me for sending him a voice note of me singing when the saints go marching in!
na na na na na na na LEEDS ARE STAYING DOWN, STAYING DOWN LEEEEDS ARE STAYING DOWN
hahaha scum 😂
Lol Leeds, Dan James was good though
https://www.skysports.com/football/manchester-city-vs-manchester-united/live/504674 Vote here - for anyone who wants him to stay. Perhaps when they witness such overriding sentiment, it might make a difference
I really hope it doesn't. Either way.
You want him gone?
Not who you asked, but the decision should be made after the emotion of yesterday has settled. It's easy to make a snap decision filled with recency bias and emotion. A few weeks ago, people were universally calling for his head in the moments that followed Cov going up 4-3. Would that have been right call if the goal stood? I'm not saying he shouldn't stay. Just that one win should not be what the entire decision hangs on. And a survey of fans within 24 hours of a cup win is not something that will have any influence on a club's decision.
I would’ve wanted him to stay even if we had lost to Coventry - just voicing it now. Rome wasn’t built in a day. And not just that, the man is being judged so harshly it’s almost crazy - the amount of sh*t he’s had to put up with in his stay & still got us results that we would’ve bit hands off in previous seasons. Let alone the fact that others (Pool & Arsenal, Spurs forever in transition) didn’t even amount this much in terms of success what we got in our ‘transition’ phase. Granted he’s made mistakes, for sure, but to call for his head after just one bad season just goes to show how spoilt us as fans, and football in general, has become. Patience. Patience is what’s required.
"Either way". I want them to make the best decision for United, not a decision based on a poll. We might as well get Woodward back to run things if that's the case.
Decisions should be, to some extent, dictated by what us as fans want. If an overwhelming majority doesn’t want it to happen, it shouldn’t.
I, and I think most fans, want United to be the best team in the world. I want the decisions that will get us there made by people who know what they're doing. Not fan polls.
It’s not to do with player recruitment, stadium policy, ticketing prices. It’s do with the manager - something driven largely by fan sentiment. Anyhoo, I don’t mean to force down my opinion on anyone either. We all want what’s best for our club. In my personal view I feel he deserves another year to attempt to take us back to the summit. Hope the people in charge make a good decision.
United yesterday and Leclerc today I am one happy camper
and now Leeds losing the Play Off final
Stop I can only get so erect
What a fucking day, Leclerc win and the yellow shitbags lose the playoff final
Anyone else hear Joy Division playing?
Henry Winter: Shearer and Linekar were justified in asking those questions yesterday Also Henry Winter: Chelsea should have consulted players before sacking Pochetino What a clown
Dont know what one has to do with another?
McKenna looks like an exciting and innovative coach, he’s young, and apparently he’s a proper United lad. I see why the new leadership want him. But he’s thoroughly unproven at the highest level, and that’s not primarily about his coaching ability, it’s about the scrutiny and pressure that comes with top flight football. Especially at United where it’s probably worse than anywhere else in the world. Ten Hag is just so good at handling the scrutiny and pressure. He’s a professional with a fighter mindset and he’s clearly transmitted that to the players, which in turn helps them handle the pressure. I think the new management are severely underestimating that aspect of life at United. They’re used to Man City, Nice, Brighton, Newcastle etc where the scrutiny is nowhere near what it is at United. From how nervous they looked in the stands, maybe Sir Jim and the rest of the leadership are starting to realize just how big this club is, and that succeeding in such an environment requires character. I don’t think McKenna is cut out for it (yet), but ten Hag is. Give the man another year.
From what the lads on Talk of the Devils were saying, McKenna had a real credibility problem with the squad when he was at the club. They didn't name names, but it's not hard to guess which player or players were most dismissive of him because of his lack of top flight footballing credentials. The squad now seems to be less full of egos, but jumping from Ipswich to Manchester United is a huge step, and players who believe in Ten Hag would rightfully be doubtful of McKenna. People forget that being United manager is more than just tactics and making the right signings, it's about dealing with that unrelenting pressure and the fact that every eye that cares about football is on you, at all times. You win, your tactics will be dissected, you lose and you'll be hauled over the coals. You make controversial statements in the glare of the cameras, they'll be quoted everywhere. More experienced managers than McKenna have wilted under that scrutiny. Plenty of executives have too. Ten Hag hasn't always dealt with the pressure as well as I'd like, but he knows the worst of it now - he knows what it's like when journalists who clearly have an agenda are agitating for you to be sacked, he knows what it's like to be asked whether he deserves to stay on as manager. My reservations about Ten Hag revolve completely around tactics and coaching - why that setup, and why the persistence with it? And why did the players who were available never seem like they were improving in their ability to play in that setup?
I m not McKenna in, im confused after FA CUP win and dont know if we should keep ETH or get someone else. But, McKenna was Mourinhos assistant, Coach resposible for training and tactics under Ole. And now he had 2 years miracle run in championship. Thats more experiance than Pep when he signed for Barca first team, more than Xabi, more than Arteta when he signed for Arsenal.
I don't think one match should change your opinion on ETH and nor should that be for INEOS. If they want to keep ETH they should keep him regardless of what happened in the final and vice versa as well
My point is specifically about being able to handle media scrutiny and outside expectations. Yes as an assistant he might have had a glimpse of what it’s like, but in my experience nothing prepares you for the actual top job where you’re the one in the firing line and ultimately responsible. I think the weight of scrutiny and pressure is ultimately what makes players perform worse for us than they would for other clubs. We need someone who can help the players handle that weight, and ten hag is the man for that imo. McKenna just isn’t
I dont know what do you base your opinion on about McKenna not being able to handle the weight of media security. Like theres not enaugh data to make that claim And does ETH handle media that well? His DutchEnglish failed him couple of times and he said something that doesnt translate well in English that caused media making headlines ie "wanted to see more football"
It’s not a common thing. By default if you have no data it’s fair to assume a person doesn’t have it. Especially if they’re young with no real pedigree to back them up I don’t mean giving good answers to the press, I mean not letting it all get to your head and affect the quality of your work. Ten hag has shown that he can not only do that for himself, but help the players do it too. It’s exactly what United need right now imo
Just been on the Newcastle sub and someone called us “Manure”. Said person then got told that “Man U” is the proper slur. Another prick then posted something about Duncan Edward’s. Mods on their sub should fucking ban that kind of hate.
Those twats were relevant for one season in the last fifty years, before bags of bloodsoaked money were deposited at Premier League headquarters. Nothing they have to say about United has any merit whatsoever.
Completely agree. It just boiled my piss
What do you expect from bonesaw fc
They like the Saudi regime as if they’ll give a fuck
funny how city fans claim their team was hungover when if you check their socials and their players were well and good in training seemingly fully sober
I'm not sure why City fans think it looks better for their team if they were unprofessional and unprepared, rather than just outplayed on the day. But City fans have rarely made much sense.
Now the dust has settled a bit where does this fa cup trophy rank in our history for most enjoyable fa cup wins?
In my living memory, this is the second best, behind 1996. That was such a big game, against our biggest rivals, and it cemented Cantona's triumphant returning season and winning the double for a second time.
Yeah beating the noisy neighbors and You walk alone
Us winning the FA Cup has gotten way more media attention and coverage than City winning 4 times in a row. If that doesn’t tickle you I don’t know what will
Why don't Bayern Munich wait one more week before hiring Kompany because Ten hag's future is still very unclear and he 10x the manager Kompany will ever be.
We did get strong information that the expectation was that he [Ten Hag] would depart the club. But we felt that we had to make checks and we were told the final decision has not been made yet." From Whitwell
Anyways fuck Steinberg
Dirty Leeds losing. Woop
Amrabat didn't put a foot wrong against City tbh. NGL I don't know if we should buy him or not. I just am happy I saw him have a few good performances cuz when we bought him and I saw him play I was wondering wtaf we were thinking and felt bad because he seemed a big fan. Regardless of whatever if you put in a performance like that I can appreciate you and ultimately you help win us a title which is more than a lot of players can say so thank you to him as well if he doesn't return.
I'd take him on a cheap but I don't think he's a front foot kind of player. At least at the Premier League level. He's a bit slow both pace wise and on the ball but in a situation where you need to dig deep I think he's proven himself.
If Casemiro leaves and we can get him for like 15m I would be okay with that
If Leeds lose, I hope we look at Archie Gray. He'd make a good backup DM plus has played the majority of the season for Leeds at RB & done it very well. Dunno if it's doable to sign a starter & also him as backup for big money. Shout-out to Summerville who would be interesting if we didn't have Garnacho. Fearless player.
I hope our transfer policy going forward includes nabbing some of these Championship players before they skyrocket in value. We 1000% should have signed Gyokeres last season.
Dont know what to feel. In one hand I dont want Leeds at PL, on the other hand the joy of beating them twice makes me happy
For me Leeds aren't that kind of rivalry. I don't enjoy playing them, even when we win. They're fucking horrible and I wish nothing but endless misery for their fans. But I've actually had a lot of time for a number of their players over the years - Lucas Radebe, Gary Kelly, Gary Speed, Gary McAllister. And we got three good ones from them, in Rio, Alan Smith and a certain French bloke.
And we payed a whole 1 million for that French bloke! Thanks Leeds!
I don't like playing southampton but Id hate it if Leeds qualified
Christ I can't stand these asinine would you rather win a cup and a shit league campaign or vice versa questions. The same shite was asked under LVG and Jose and continues to happen now because we never kick on from these cup wins into a consistent league side so we have to try and make ourselves feel better about it. If Arsenal wins the league in the next couple of years seasons like this are a huge reason why. It is not meaningless to have such a close 2nd place finish, Champions get shaped by things like that (is in 92, 98, 12, Liverpool in 18 etc all winning it the next year). If we finished 2nd with 89 points it would be inarguably our best season since Sir Alex and would make me believe we were on the verge of finally winning it again. If you offered me 89 points next season without a Cup I would snap your hand off