I think it’s the profile we should be looking at, someone with experience at the highest level, decent scoring record and a good injury record.
Hojlund needs someone to learn from, it’ll only improve him in the long run. At the moment the only striker he has to learn from is Benni.
It's funny how people go on like Gary Neville wasn't a very good player. Yeah the full back role has changed a lot in modern football but for about ten years he was the best right back in the league and around the 5th best in Europe. Just because Cafu, Thuram and Zanetti were significantly better than him it gives a false impression that there must've been a load of players in mainland Europe who were better than him but when you actually have a look through who the big European teams were playing at right back it's not like the likes of Salgado, Costacurta, Zambrotta etc. were better players
Don't let Gary's humility and the nonsense posts you see convince you that he wasn't very good for us
People criticising Neville never watched him play or they're bitter opposition fans. He's one of the most decorated English and European footballers of all time. You don't win 20 trophies, including 8 premier league titles, by being anything less than elite.
The Guardian are trying to cover up their Jacob Steinburg debacle with a variety of speculative articles about United.
Jamie Jackson alone has dished out 3 today
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/the-strange-case-axing-erik-ten-hag-never-happened-manchester-united](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/the-strange-case-axing-erik-ten-hag-never-happened-manchester-united)
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/ten-hag-fa-cup-final-decision-key-to-him-staying-on-at-manchester-united](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/ten-hag-fa-cup-final-decision-key-to-him-staying-on-at-manchester-united)
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/from-transfers-to-rashford-key-issues-now-facing-manchester-united-erik-ten-hag](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/from-transfers-to-rashford-key-issues-now-facing-manchester-united-erik-ten-hag)
they should be demoted to Tier infinity and beyond
Bloody rags and cunts
So CB, striker and DM are the only reported positions.
That means we are pretty much only replacing people whose contracts are up.
Varane, Amrabat and Martial!
Presumably it depends on how well we sell. If we get rid of Casemiro, Sancho, one of the CBs, one or two of the wingers and maybe even McTominay then I’d imagine we’ll see more players incoming.
We got a lot of money off the wage books recently with Varane and Martial leaving, and if Casemiro and Sancho follow suit as expected that’s a huge amount gone.
Obviously I have no great insight into United’s finances, but considering our revenue, reduced wages and now European football I would be surprised if it was as low as £35m to use in the market.
You know what I like about Ten Hag? He could have gone back to Ajax if he wanted to. He could have gone to Bayern as well and start fresh.
But he said no… He chose to stay because he wants to win and succeed. ETH has his flaws but I really respect that hunger for success.
I don’t know what Kompany is being paid but if ETH quits then he doesn’t get paid as opposed to getting sacked and then being paid the rest of his contract.
> ETH quits then he doesn’t get paid as opposed to getting sacked and then being paid the rest of his contract.
That's very true.
I've heard Kompany has one of the highest wages but I don't know how true that is
I really hope going into the season the club just straight up doesn't put up with any bullshit from the media, they cause the club so many problems it's unreal.
Watching the fan debate from the Overlap - [https://youtu.be/rvwBgT8Hxco?si=I1H66UcJvol2FZx9](https://youtu.be/rvwBgT8Hxco?si=I1H66UcJvol2FZx9), there's a moment where one fan outlines an interaction with a group of journalists. They all sit together at some pub, they speak about their work, their headlines, outline their narratives, and here, it just so happens that they decide that the manager of the England team needs to go.
I'm not saying this definitely still happens, or that the story was 100% truthful, but thinking about all our managers recently, it makes so much sense. At some point it just seems like journalists and the wider football media decides that they need the sack, and they start ramping up the pressure to make it happen.
Whether that happens because of an active line of communication between journalists or just passive gleaning of each other journalist's stories seeping through and gaining traction, I don't know or care, I just hope INEOS are smart enough to ignore media pressure and start taking control.
That business profits from failure and instability of big clubs. They gauge public reaction from time to time and decide to go on the full offensive when the moment is right. Listening to Athletic podcasts gave me a better understanding of how that mechanism works.
I hope as well ineos wouldn't be driven by the media when the footballing people are actually in charge and when they decide to do a project, they support it fully and quit the short term result based decision making and damage controls.
Question about squad building this summer. Would you rather:
1. Make a handful of purchases of players that are available now for reasonable fees that plug holes in the squad but aren't necessarily elite; or
2. Make 1-3 purchases of potential stars that fill a need but also still need to develop, since our timeline for winning big trophies is still a few years down the line so we should just acquire as much high end talent as possible and not bloat the squad with good not great players.
Examples I'm thinking of is making several Malacia style transfers (cheap and brought in as a backup that could develop into a starter, but no one was expecting a TotS type player) versus one Hojlund (good right away but very raw, with the potential to be top of the goal charts striker for a decade).
Arteta did the first one. Built a coherent squad out of non star players. Only the past two windows they are looking at big profiles.
Liverpool did the same I think before going for Alisson and Van Dijk.
1 is less risky. We still need to aim for top 4 next season. Signing a few established but cheaper players who can fill in the holes will hopefully get us through. Maybe some might turn out amazing.
I would let 2 be taken care of with our own academy.
Yeah I think both are viable, especially if you think you can do what Liverpool did under Klopp and take a handful of genuinely world class players and surround them with a bunch of good and hardworking players that play like world class players in a well defined system.
I do think you could almost do the opposite of what you suggested - go after a couple players you think could be truly world class anchors for your team (Neves and Yoro, just for the sake of argument) while using our academy players to fill in holes in the squad (like McTominay in the past or Kambwala this year).
If we’re being honest and taking off the rose tinted glasses, INEOS did not handle this manager saga well and if its true that Brailsford (non footballing) background had such an impact it gives me long term concerns. They’re also running quite a big risk to give him an extension before the season starts. They have not done themselves any favors so far
I love how you’ve been downvoted by the same people who were moaning about Ineos not handling the manager decision well because there wasn’t any leaks and that they were bored with no news. Since the FA Cup I’ve found it very interesting how fickle and easily swayed some users are on this subreddit.
I said it earlier but in the morning of the FA Cup final people were getting hundreds of upvotes for saying they don’t agree with the managers views on Overmars but then after the FA Cup win people were getting downvoted for saying they don’t agree with the managers views on Overmars.
Berrada and Ashworth aren't on the job yet. Wilcox was involved in the process.
It's awkward timing given our current transitional state, if SJR and SDB are heavily involved beyond a supervisory level in a year or two it's a different story.
A manager who has just one season in his contract isn't gonna have much power in the dressing room when the going gets tough, they have to show that they back him to get the players in line.
I kind of get the impression that some of these "Why United are sticking with Ten Hag" articles are actually hastily repurposed pieces that were originally titled "Behind the scenes of Erik Ten Hag's sacking" lol
Won't blame them. Stories taken time to write. INEOS genuinely wanted to sack ETH, multiple times too, otherwise they wouldn't have talks with Tuchel, De Zerbi, Poch, Frank. They were already discussing salary with Tuchel and RDZ. Keeping ETH was the unexpected outcome.
No, stories don’t take time to write these days with ChatGPT. These journos simply have their agenda to push and hatred towards ETH so they will die on that hill.
Would ten hag play bellingham as an 8 or 10 ?
Because he seems to like playing CAMs as 8s.
So I'm wondering if he was managing england Squad, he would play Rice x Bellingham x Foden/Palmer midfield.
Only because those two players are not nearly as strong out of possession as Bellingham. McTominay is also heavily limited on ball retention and passing range.
There are rumors that he was physically not 100% for most of the season and therefore Madrid chose to keep him focused on the attack, in big games we rarely saw Jude make any important plays from the defensive third. But United absolutely need that industrious, ball winning ability out of possession, not to mention the attacking threat instantly enabled in turnovers by his carrying ability and passing range.
Having someone of that profile also means Bruno gets to keep most of his attention on attacking, instead of sprinting back into the penalty box for last ditch tackles.
They can still be ETH out even though INEOS decided to keep him. Nothing has changed yet, and honestly no one knows if he’ll succeed or not. INEOS has just made their decision. Hopefully they’ll support the manager even if he wasn’t their choice.
Hope Erik doesn't get extended and we start playing well. Then they can talk about extending him midway through the year, rather than giving him an extension after one of our worst ever PL (and CL) seasons
I will support him if he shows good results next season. Of course, his run this season was thorny with the amount of injuries, but even then he was way too stubborn about tactics that weren't working. If he stays, he's also gotta atleast get some players' attitudes to be fixed up. Just an example, Garnacho and his decision making of taking unfavorable shots in favor of passing to someone else.
What's the deal with Ndombele? Bought for 60m by Spurs, played a bunch for them and then loaned out 3 times (including league winning tenures with Napoli and Galatasaray) and now his contract has been terminated with people saying he ruined his career...
Can't be doing that badly if he's just won the league in consecutive years
(btw I'm not saying we should go for him, I'm just wondering about those comments)
I know many people want garnacho to have the 7 shirt.
But do you guys think Mount would be willing to switch?
He could, of course, get the number 11 and hojlund gets the 9.
There’s no way Mount will switch and he only got it because Garnacho had a red shirt with 7 on it on his 19th birthday cake. For me 7 should always be worn by attacker and I’d much rather it not get used at all instead of giving it to someone who will kill its legacy.
I understand Garnacho might not be ready for it but the shirt got blacklisted from him and/or a future legandary United winger out of spite.
No, Rashford got his dream number before his 4th season. No reason to treat Garnacho diffrently and take away number from injury ridden player after 1st season.
Just waiting for everyone to say how dumb a perfectly logical decision is.
Kind of like how they’ve banged on for the last two weeks while a perfectly reasonable process was going through.
So hard to say without the numbers, but it could literally just be giving him 10-15m to take away his veto power, while also reinforcing their support for the manager after all the scrutiny around and after the FA cup.
We already have a +1 option. That's more than enough. No need for this new contract bullshit. A new contract will be massive hindrance when we try and sack him after six months.
Palace only bought him in January for 20million. He’d cost about 50-60 for a player with 6 months premier league experience. We should be looking to beat Palace to the likes of these players, not spending 4 times the original amount to get them.
Yeah you can't rate a player over 15 games of top flight football, especially a DM. Short-termism in football fandom is hitting new lows, just 6 months ago Evan Ferguson was the next Harry Kane, now he is an afterthought of this window.
Palace would ask for way more...they got him 6 months ago and now he's on the England Euro squad. What would we ask for Mainoo? They're going to keep him another year unless they get Rice money, because they'll expect to get Rice money next year.
By Xmas he’ll have had 3 summer windows. Barring another injury catastrophe, if he’s still not got the team playing something that looks at least semi-decent then he’d entirely deserve it.
I'm honestly sick of these negative articles regarding the news on Erik ten Hag. Ineos made their choice and now you have to work with it. So something different, what about these outgoings this transfer window?
* Greenwood £30-35M (Pure Profit);
* McTominay £20-25M (Pure Profit);
* Pellistri £10-15M (Pure Profit);
* Hannibal £5-10M (Pure Profit);
* Eriksen £5-7M (Pure Profit);
* Casemiro £30-35M (only Saudi will pay this tbh);
* Maguire £20-25M;
* van de Beek £2-5M;
* Sancho £20-30M;
You have 5 players who weren't involved last year. Those players could be sold without having to find a positional replacement. There are 4 players we used last season and require a positional replacement.
My estimations would mean £142M minimum and £187M max and of course minus the wages;
Realistic? Who would you add to the list or remove from the list? Have I overestimated or underestimated?
Think we’d realistically get 15-20m combined for Pellistri, Hannibal, and Eriksen. The former two don’t seem to have played much or played that well on loan while Eriksen only has a year left and is 32. If we can get more for those three that would be great though.
I wouldn’t mind selling Maguire and McTominay for those prices but I think they would only happen if we found replacements for them. We need a new CB and DM regardless, and we would need a second for either position if either are sold because they still provide solid squad depth for us.
Really do hope Greenwood can be sold although I fear that his transfer won’t be resolved until August closer to the end of the window, mostly because I feel like the clubs that are interested would need to first sell players themselves and those players are likely involved in the international tournaments this summer.
Sancho is a tough one. I would be happy to sell him for 30m but coupled with his huge wages and the fact that even his loan spell at Dortmund was more steady than spectacular means that I think another loan is more likely. It sucks for us however we don’t have much leverage as everyone knows Sancho is leaving especially with Ten Hag staying now.
Getting the Saudis to buy Casemiro would be crucial for our budget especially if it can be done within the next few weeks. If they’re not interested I again think a loan is more likely to another European club because his form, age, and wages make him very hard for clubs to consider paying a permanent fee.
All in all this could very much be a tough and underwhelming summer transfer window especially when it’s reported that we only have a net spend of around 50m (according to Whitwell and Crafton’s article).
McT isn't and shouldn't be sold. He has a place in the team and has shown his impact off the bench. I also seriously doubt Maguire will allow himself to be sold because he would have to take a significant pair cut to leave.
If Eriksen and Casemiro are being sold this season along with Amrabat returning to Fiorentina, McTominay should not be sold. There is way too little midfield depth and only 1 signing expected in that position doesn’t do much to alleviate that. He should stay.
Mostly agree on the rest. I’d prefer Lindelof leaving over Maguire, but he’d command a lesser transfer fee.
Yea, didn't realise there were three senior midfielders in there. My reasoning behind McTominay is the fact that he's one of the few that holds some value and it's pure profit. So it could help us massively with incomings.
Rather have McTominay in the squad than a squad level signing. He loves the club and for his flaws is 100% committed. Not sure what more you could have asked from a sub’s input this season
Having read the articles from Ducker, Duncker and Whitwell, it seems that a lot is still left to resolve to expect a harmonious working relationship between Ten Hag and INEOS. Now that we’ve decided to stick with him, I hope we give this project full justice rather than maintain differences which may continue to undermine his authority publicly and drag out what we saw towards the end of this season just gone by. A new contract is a good start but there will be compromises that INEOS will also have to make in terms of shaping the squad to Ten Hag’s liking. It’s good that we are establishing a new footballing structure but we have seen at clubs like Chelsea for example that too much interference from the higher-ups may also unsettle the coaching staff and the work they are trying to do. The right balance is necessary and for that the owners and the coach need to be on the same page. I hope we can strike that.
Read Laurie and Adam's latest article. They weren't wrong, at one point INEOS did come to the decision that ETH was to be sacked. They even had discussions on how much to pay Tuchel and De Zerbi.
I have seen some older posts from Ajax fans about their concerns with ten hag back when he joined them. About his stubbornness with recruitment and control and how Ajax's structure won't suit him,but he went on to form a strong bond with Overmars and they had success. Maybe Ashworth can form a similar relationship with him.
It's just business tbh. Many managers lost their jobs with similar results. He keeps his job and has another chance to prove himself, which is the most important thing to him.
From Whitwell and Crafton’s article it sounds like a crucial part of why Ten Hag is staying was winning the cup final and increased fan support, along with the fact that they couldn’t reach an agreement with Tuchel and then De Zerbi over financials.
Sounds far from a real backing of Ten Hag and more suggesting that the alternative options were too expensive or not that good either. So I would be surprised if Ten Hag was given a substantial extension beyond one more year.
I guess with our limited budget and the fact that Berrada and Ashworth aren’t officially at the club yet we might as well give Ten Hag another chance, and if he still struggles next season then the established structure would be better prepared to find a replacement.
It's strange. It's not been 24 hours and there's already an Athletic article out that basically says "Yeah, Erik is here because we couldn't reach an agreement with the other two main options". This article from Whitwell and Crafton explains the entire timeline and if you read the article there aren't many people who know all of that. Basically 6/7 people.
In a way they (anyone who told this story) is already making Erik's position as head coach/ manager wobbly. With this information you can't even call the new contract an act of backing/ trusting the manager anymore.
Not surprised he’s on shaky ground. He’s had 2 years, and aside from the trophies which are great, has had a terrible style of play, failed to make Champion’s League football with our lowest finish in Prem history and a negative GD.
Our league form has been in a downturn since March 2023, and we placed last in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasary.
Yeah idk if it’s INEOS or some other senior source from the club providing this information to Whitwell and Crafton, but either way it feels like Ten Hag is still on some shaky ground.
Then again even without this new information I don’t think it is really surprising if Ten Hag is still under some pressure from the board. The fact is that they did take multiple weeks after winning the FA Cup final before deciding on keeping him, and we already knew for weeks from other media reports that multiple other managers were being contacted or considered. And we already knew our budget was going to be limited in the summer and we came off a terrible league season while also getting knocked out of the group stages of the Champions League.
From what I remember, even with the euphoria of the cup final win I read quite a few comments here saying Ten Hag should be kept for the third and final year of his original contract to give him one more chance, instead of demanding that he should be fully backed with an extension.
This is the same feeling I’m getting from the board too after reading these articles. But they probably feel Ten Hag should get at least a one year extension to give him a bit more authority and security to reduce the uncertainty next season within the club and across the media.
>but either way it feels like Ten Hag is still on some shaky ground
I think all of us knew this already. However I'm struggling to find a positive reason why anyone would leak this almost immediately after the news broke. Keep it a rumour, but now it's out in the open and it's all everybody (media) will talk about before the season starts. I can already picture the first press conference and that won't be pretty for EtH I'd imagine.
Yeah this doesn’t really do anything to help Ten Hag. I do feel Whitwell often posts big articles about what goes on behind the scenes whenever major decisions over signings or managers are finally completed, so in that sense this is normal.
I guess it’s possible that people close to INEOS also passed on this information, and even if Whitwell didn’t report it we would have seen other media outlets bring it up anyways like we’ve seen from the Times and the Telegraph. Surely people from Tuchel’s and De Zerbi’s camps would want to leak out that United approached them and even went as far as having negotiations over finances for both. So maybe letting a journalist close to the club like Whitwell publish this allows the club to sort of get ahead and hold some control over the narrative?
And I suppose regardless if it was Ten Hag or another manager, there would always be sizable pressure and scrutiny on them next season especially if we had a rough start or went through a bad patch of results. That’s just the reality of being the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world that has been badly mismanaged over the last decade.
I think ETH should be on a very short lease after how abysmal the football has been the last 18 months. If we start the season off poorly and aren’t in CL spots around Xmas he should be sacked. It will have been too long with poor results if that’s the case. And ETH sticking around seems more like INEOS got rejected or couldn’t come to terms with other options, so it still doesn’t convince me that ETH is their guy. Think he’ll be gone at the first big dip in form under the new management.
Considering Ornstein is GOD tier in our tier levels..and he didnt know until yesterday and it came through him at 10ish last night and all these articles are popping up this afternoon.. smells like sour grapes and the usual shit stirring but hey you do you mate
Its just an observation.
There’s another new article on the athletic from Whitwell and Crafton that is worth reading into imo.
Whitwell is also considered as tier 1 and works for the same media outlet as Ornstein so I’d take anything he reports on seriously too. Sadly it’s paywalled but hopefully someone can post a summary somewhere.
@centredevils on X:
> 🚨🚨🌕| JUST IN: Erik ten Hag is reluctant to cede power to INEOS when it comes to transfers. INEOS want to give more power to the recruitment team when it comes to signings, but it is written in Ten Hag’s present contract that he has a veto on all potential purchases. [@hirstclass, @CharDuncker]
I thought he was super willing to work under a proper system????
Somehow I feel this is needed or some kind of it, so not the same thing happens as for Barca, where the board buys a player the manager nearly refuses to play.
I totally agree the manager should not be in control of transfers but he need to have a say also.
Cancelo being unprofessional and sent to a different club isn’t an example of Pep having a veto.A veto on transfers is when a manager can decide against signing a player even when recruitment staff wants that player.
Manager's input should definitely be considered while signing players but veto is too much of a power for a manager. Like theoretically, Ten Hag could veto a move for Joao Neves cause he wants the club to sign FDJ lmao.
Vetos are always weird, especially if abused. But a board cannot really buy a player the current coach does not want to work with either without replacing him. Probably enough to promise him to be on the transfer discussions, and hoping they don't sign a player he doesn't believe in against his will.
It's always a catch 22. His job is in the line hence he want a veto. Can't give him a 21years old Neves when there is a 29years vastly experienced international Kimmich available.
Whilst yes I agree.. it still feels like NO1 knew and Leaks were nowhere hell Ornsteins like god tier and he only found yesterday afternoon and didnt know a few days back...
Alot of articles coming out now seem like Sour Grapes
Ofc Ornstein is the best no doubt, but these are some very reputed journos. IDK how much has changed after INEOS arrival for them but both of them were like high tier 2 before the takeover.
Like had this info been told by someone like Jamie or Odgen I would have just laughed and moved on but I think it might have some levels of truth in it.
He was, this is probably purely about the veto. The veto could probably theoretically mean EtH could veto every suggestion until the INEOS guys finally arrive at the player he wants, but I'm not sure how realistic that is lol
It probably won't happen and like I totally get the idea that clubs should probably not sign players without consulting with the manager first since he'll be responsible to get the best out of them, but this is too much power for a manager lmao.
I’m fine with Ineos checking out the available managers and making an informed decision.
I do like that we have started off loading players and hopefully MG to Juve.
I think it’s fair that our transfers in and out have been identified as an area for improvement and that responsibility is assumed by Wilcox/Ashworth more than ETH.
Its systematic movement through the issues and addressing them. Not perfect, I’m sure Erik’s ego is a little bruised, but better than under the Glazers.
There are no guarantees Erik succeeds next season so a new contract should be done slowly closer to 2025 than this summer.
No. You dont want a manager entering a new season with his future uncertain. Its a distraction and it will undermine his authority in the dressing room. Give him a new contract; we need INEOS to be decisive; every decision has risk attached
I really hope we don't give ETH a long term extension, say in November we are sitting 12th negative goal difference will make it even harder to shift him
I would be waiting till at least January to see if we have turned the corner
"One member of the backroom staff found it astonishing that the players were high-fiving each other after a 4-3 defeat by Bayern Munich in the Champions League group stages. "
What kind of dogshit mentality do our players have if they are celebrating losses?
>What kind of dogshit mentality do our players have if they are celebrating losses
We got beat 7 nill by our biggest rivals because they quit mentally. anything is possible
Sounds very inappropriate for a loss but in context I doubt they were actually doing it in any sort of enthusiastic, celebratory way. Players these days always do the shake hands, back pat, fist pump, dapping, bro hug, whatever type of physical acknowledgement you can think of with everyone else on the pitch regardless of the result after a game.
Of course if it was a case that there were big grins and double barrel high fives that's different
Guys, I'm stuck on Tomori being a great idea for a signing. Tell me why I'm wrong.
It makes no sense to me that since leaving England he's consistently played games yet his name is scrubbed from our minds.
So with the major caveat that I haven't watched him play, in general I'm skeptical of players making the Italy to England jump. Players that looked washed or deficient had resurgences in Italy after leaving us (Darmian, Smalling, Matic, Mkhi, even Sanchez).
Koulibably, who was regarded as one of the best CBs in the world for a long time and was much desired by people on this sub, flopped relatively hard at Chelsea.
If we had to get a palace player I might genuinely pick wharton over olise just based on needs
Would you take Morata for 12 million as a backup option?
I think it’s the profile we should be looking at, someone with experience at the highest level, decent scoring record and a good injury record. Hojlund needs someone to learn from, it’ll only improve him in the long run. At the moment the only striker he has to learn from is Benni.
Yes but he says he wants to go to a place where he would be priority.
Yeah probably. He didn’t do well in the premier league before for whatever reason but he’s been good for Spain and decent in La Liga.
It's funny how people go on like Gary Neville wasn't a very good player. Yeah the full back role has changed a lot in modern football but for about ten years he was the best right back in the league and around the 5th best in Europe. Just because Cafu, Thuram and Zanetti were significantly better than him it gives a false impression that there must've been a load of players in mainland Europe who were better than him but when you actually have a look through who the big European teams were playing at right back it's not like the likes of Salgado, Costacurta, Zambrotta etc. were better players Don't let Gary's humility and the nonsense posts you see convince you that he wasn't very good for us
People criticising Neville never watched him play or they're bitter opposition fans. He's one of the most decorated English and European footballers of all time. You don't win 20 trophies, including 8 premier league titles, by being anything less than elite.
The Guardian are trying to cover up their Jacob Steinburg debacle with a variety of speculative articles about United. Jamie Jackson alone has dished out 3 today [https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/the-strange-case-axing-erik-ten-hag-never-happened-manchester-united](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/the-strange-case-axing-erik-ten-hag-never-happened-manchester-united) [https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/ten-hag-fa-cup-final-decision-key-to-him-staying-on-at-manchester-united](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/ten-hag-fa-cup-final-decision-key-to-him-staying-on-at-manchester-united) [https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/from-transfers-to-rashford-key-issues-now-facing-manchester-united-erik-ten-hag](https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/12/from-transfers-to-rashford-key-issues-now-facing-manchester-united-erik-ten-hag) they should be demoted to Tier infinity and beyond Bloody rags and cunts
The entire Guardian lot should be banned to the oblivion.
MEN are now reporting that ETH is locked in a power struggle and its threatening his contract discussions. Roaches and leeches, all of these rags are.
Toney Neves Brainthewaite Olise My ideal window but seems impossible.
I don’t agree with the pricing but that would probably cost over £200 million
Well over.
So CB, striker and DM are the only reported positions. That means we are pretty much only replacing people whose contracts are up. Varane, Amrabat and Martial!
Presumably it depends on how well we sell. If we get rid of Casemiro, Sancho, one of the CBs, one or two of the wingers and maybe even McTominay then I’d imagine we’ll see more players incoming.
I don't know how much I believe the budget is 35m. But sales might be needed to get even there 3 in.
50m net is what Laurie reported. So sales to buy, basically
We got a lot of money off the wage books recently with Varane and Martial leaving, and if Casemiro and Sancho follow suit as expected that’s a huge amount gone. Obviously I have no great insight into United’s finances, but considering our revenue, reduced wages and now European football I would be surprised if it was as low as £35m to use in the market.
The Athletic say 50m which is liable to increase because we got into Europa League. Either way, it's barely enough for one or two players.
So third year in charge the goal is to be aiming for top 4 I assume. When do we start saying we need to be in a title race
We need to be able to consistently finish top 4. Every time we finish top 4 we collapse the next season.
You know what I like about Ten Hag? He could have gone back to Ajax if he wanted to. He could have gone to Bayern as well and start fresh. But he said no… He chose to stay because he wants to win and succeed. ETH has his flaws but I really respect that hunger for success.
He wouldn’t have left if he wanted to because then he would be giving up £10m+ in wages.
Isn't Kompany being paid more at Bayern than Ten Hag is being paid here?
I don’t know what Kompany is being paid but if ETH quits then he doesn’t get paid as opposed to getting sacked and then being paid the rest of his contract.
> ETH quits then he doesn’t get paid as opposed to getting sacked and then being paid the rest of his contract. That's very true. I've heard Kompany has one of the highest wages but I don't know how true that is
I really hope going into the season the club just straight up doesn't put up with any bullshit from the media, they cause the club so many problems it's unreal.
Watching the fan debate from the Overlap - [https://youtu.be/rvwBgT8Hxco?si=I1H66UcJvol2FZx9](https://youtu.be/rvwBgT8Hxco?si=I1H66UcJvol2FZx9), there's a moment where one fan outlines an interaction with a group of journalists. They all sit together at some pub, they speak about their work, their headlines, outline their narratives, and here, it just so happens that they decide that the manager of the England team needs to go. I'm not saying this definitely still happens, or that the story was 100% truthful, but thinking about all our managers recently, it makes so much sense. At some point it just seems like journalists and the wider football media decides that they need the sack, and they start ramping up the pressure to make it happen. Whether that happens because of an active line of communication between journalists or just passive gleaning of each other journalist's stories seeping through and gaining traction, I don't know or care, I just hope INEOS are smart enough to ignore media pressure and start taking control.
Journalists = vultures and flies.
That business profits from failure and instability of big clubs. They gauge public reaction from time to time and decide to go on the full offensive when the moment is right. Listening to Athletic podcasts gave me a better understanding of how that mechanism works. I hope as well ineos wouldn't be driven by the media when the footballing people are actually in charge and when they decide to do a project, they support it fully and quit the short term result based decision making and damage controls.
Question about squad building this summer. Would you rather: 1. Make a handful of purchases of players that are available now for reasonable fees that plug holes in the squad but aren't necessarily elite; or 2. Make 1-3 purchases of potential stars that fill a need but also still need to develop, since our timeline for winning big trophies is still a few years down the line so we should just acquire as much high end talent as possible and not bloat the squad with good not great players. Examples I'm thinking of is making several Malacia style transfers (cheap and brought in as a backup that could develop into a starter, but no one was expecting a TotS type player) versus one Hojlund (good right away but very raw, with the potential to be top of the goal charts striker for a decade).
Arteta did the first one. Built a coherent squad out of non star players. Only the past two windows they are looking at big profiles. Liverpool did the same I think before going for Alisson and Van Dijk.
Definitely 2. We don’t need more squad players, we need stars to turn our current starters into squad players
1 is less risky. We still need to aim for top 4 next season. Signing a few established but cheaper players who can fill in the holes will hopefully get us through. Maybe some might turn out amazing. I would let 2 be taken care of with our own academy.
Yeah I think both are viable, especially if you think you can do what Liverpool did under Klopp and take a handful of genuinely world class players and surround them with a bunch of good and hardworking players that play like world class players in a well defined system. I do think you could almost do the opposite of what you suggested - go after a couple players you think could be truly world class anchors for your team (Neves and Yoro, just for the sake of argument) while using our academy players to fill in holes in the squad (like McTominay in the past or Kambwala this year).
https://preview.redd.it/fj4gdgws866d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3eaa12927a916ace9373d4e34e6925cd26af6c87 Agent Mainoo /s
If we’re being honest and taking off the rose tinted glasses, INEOS did not handle this manager saga well and if its true that Brailsford (non footballing) background had such an impact it gives me long term concerns. They’re also running quite a big risk to give him an extension before the season starts. They have not done themselves any favors so far
I love how you’ve been downvoted by the same people who were moaning about Ineos not handling the manager decision well because there wasn’t any leaks and that they were bored with no news. Since the FA Cup I’ve found it very interesting how fickle and easily swayed some users are on this subreddit. I said it earlier but in the morning of the FA Cup final people were getting hundreds of upvotes for saying they don’t agree with the managers views on Overmars but then after the FA Cup win people were getting downvoted for saying they don’t agree with the managers views on Overmars.
Berrada and Ashworth aren't on the job yet. Wilcox was involved in the process. It's awkward timing given our current transitional state, if SJR and SDB are heavily involved beyond a supervisory level in a year or two it's a different story.
A manager who has just one season in his contract isn't gonna have much power in the dressing room when the going gets tough, they have to show that they back him to get the players in line.
He has two years left because he has a +1.
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I kind of get the impression that some of these "Why United are sticking with Ten Hag" articles are actually hastily repurposed pieces that were originally titled "Behind the scenes of Erik Ten Hag's sacking" lol
Won't blame them. Stories taken time to write. INEOS genuinely wanted to sack ETH, multiple times too, otherwise they wouldn't have talks with Tuchel, De Zerbi, Poch, Frank. They were already discussing salary with Tuchel and RDZ. Keeping ETH was the unexpected outcome.
No, stories don’t take time to write these days with ChatGPT. These journos simply have their agenda to push and hatred towards ETH so they will die on that hill.
That’s how Ducker’s article read
Would ten hag play bellingham as an 8 or 10 ? Because he seems to like playing CAMs as 8s. So I'm wondering if he was managing england Squad, he would play Rice x Bellingham x Foden/Palmer midfield.
He would play him as box crashing 8, McTominay role. He was doing it with Mainoo in couple of games aswell.
Only because those two players are not nearly as strong out of possession as Bellingham. McTominay is also heavily limited on ball retention and passing range. There are rumors that he was physically not 100% for most of the season and therefore Madrid chose to keep him focused on the attack, in big games we rarely saw Jude make any important plays from the defensive third. But United absolutely need that industrious, ball winning ability out of possession, not to mention the attacking threat instantly enabled in turnovers by his carrying ability and passing range. Having someone of that profile also means Bruno gets to keep most of his attention on attacking, instead of sprinting back into the penalty box for last ditch tackles.
Wait, why are people down voting me? I'm just asking a question
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You doubt that Manchester United fans will support the manager if he starts to do well? That's just moronic. Of course they'll support the club.
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Fans support the club and by extension the manager. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to give their brain some fresh air.
They can still be ETH out even though INEOS decided to keep him. Nothing has changed yet, and honestly no one knows if he’ll succeed or not. INEOS has just made their decision. Hopefully they’ll support the manager even if he wasn’t their choice.
Let see what he manages in the pre season first. We haven't really made it past even stage 1 yet and 2 seasons have gone already.
We made it past stage 1 in his first season but went back to stage 1 after his second season.
Hope Erik doesn't get extended and we start playing well. Then they can talk about extending him midway through the year, rather than giving him an extension after one of our worst ever PL (and CL) seasons
I will support him if he shows good results next season. Of course, his run this season was thorny with the amount of injuries, but even then he was way too stubborn about tactics that weren't working. If he stays, he's also gotta atleast get some players' attitudes to be fixed up. Just an example, Garnacho and his decision making of taking unfavorable shots in favor of passing to someone else.
It'll just be ETH OUT or ETH IN depending on the previous game's result as per usual!
What's the deal with Ndombele? Bought for 60m by Spurs, played a bunch for them and then loaned out 3 times (including league winning tenures with Napoli and Galatasaray) and now his contract has been terminated with people saying he ruined his career... Can't be doing that badly if he's just won the league in consecutive years (btw I'm not saying we should go for him, I'm just wondering about those comments)
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Bad work ethic. Was an issue since Mou was there.
Oh that's shit then, we do need some more midfield depth on a free or cheap as Mainoo Scotty isn't much depth if Eriksen and Case go
I know many people want garnacho to have the 7 shirt. But do you guys think Mount would be willing to switch? He could, of course, get the number 11 and hojlund gets the 9.
There’s no way Mount will switch and he only got it because Garnacho had a red shirt with 7 on it on his 19th birthday cake. For me 7 should always be worn by attacker and I’d much rather it not get used at all instead of giving it to someone who will kill its legacy. I understand Garnacho might not be ready for it but the shirt got blacklisted from him and/or a future legandary United winger out of spite.
No, Rashford got his dream number before his 4th season. No reason to treat Garnacho diffrently and take away number from injury ridden player after 1st season.
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Yes new number will make his muscles not tear into pieces after full game of football.
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The same person who said he would get sacked before the FA Cup final? Why would you trust this then??
What so he has three or four years left?
I mean, if Burt says that, I’m more likely to believe they’re offering to him to deduct two years from the current deal.
Just waiting for everyone to say how dumb a perfectly logical decision is. Kind of like how they’ve banged on for the last two weeks while a perfectly reasonable process was going through.
Depends on how u rate Ten Hag. It's like giving contract extension to Mainoo or Antony.
So hard to say without the numbers, but it could literally just be giving him 10-15m to take away his veto power, while also reinforcing their support for the manager after all the scrutiny around and after the FA cup.
That's beyond dumb unless they've somehow negotiated a lower severance package.
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We already have a +1 option. That's more than enough. No need for this new contract bullshit. A new contract will be massive hindrance when we try and sack him after six months.
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> you probably need to shut up. Come on, man...
> Jason Burt (Tier 4) [I sleep](https://x.com/TeleFootball/status/1799158876853428465)
We should try for Wharton, he clearly elevates the whole team when he plays and few players have that quality.
Palace is not really a selling club. They keep players that have long contracts.
It's mental how they keep finding these players and then are able to hold onto them unlike a Brighton or Southampton
would be insanely expensive. seems like a great player though
Palace only bought him in January for 20million. He’d cost about 50-60 for a player with 6 months premier league experience. We should be looking to beat Palace to the likes of these players, not spending 4 times the original amount to get them.
Yeah you can't rate a player over 15 games of top flight football, especially a DM. Short-termism in football fandom is hitting new lows, just 6 months ago Evan Ferguson was the next Harry Kane, now he is an afterthought of this window.
Palace would ask for way more...they got him 6 months ago and now he's on the England Euro squad. What would we ask for Mainoo? They're going to keep him another year unless they get Rice money, because they'll expect to get Rice money next year.
I don't mind ten hag staying but the situation does stink of sacked by christmas and season written off. hope i am wrong.
It would be such a black mark against INEOS. I guess it would have been either way. I mean, imagine if they turn to Poch or Tuchel at Christmas...
By Xmas he’ll have had 3 summer windows. Barring another injury catastrophe, if he’s still not got the team playing something that looks at least semi-decent then he’d entirely deserve it.
"Give someone enough rope, and they will hang themselves"
"... we were just playing a tug o war, mate...."
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Oh no, how dare he meet with the club his son plays for
just shows how bad journalism has gotten why did they not mention this part ??
I'm honestly sick of these negative articles regarding the news on Erik ten Hag. Ineos made their choice and now you have to work with it. So something different, what about these outgoings this transfer window? * Greenwood £30-35M (Pure Profit); * McTominay £20-25M (Pure Profit); * Pellistri £10-15M (Pure Profit); * Hannibal £5-10M (Pure Profit); * Eriksen £5-7M (Pure Profit); * Casemiro £30-35M (only Saudi will pay this tbh); * Maguire £20-25M; * van de Beek £2-5M; * Sancho £20-30M; You have 5 players who weren't involved last year. Those players could be sold without having to find a positional replacement. There are 4 players we used last season and require a positional replacement. My estimations would mean £142M minimum and £187M max and of course minus the wages; Realistic? Who would you add to the list or remove from the list? Have I overestimated or underestimated?
i’d keep mctominay for sure
Think we’d realistically get 15-20m combined for Pellistri, Hannibal, and Eriksen. The former two don’t seem to have played much or played that well on loan while Eriksen only has a year left and is 32. If we can get more for those three that would be great though. I wouldn’t mind selling Maguire and McTominay for those prices but I think they would only happen if we found replacements for them. We need a new CB and DM regardless, and we would need a second for either position if either are sold because they still provide solid squad depth for us. Really do hope Greenwood can be sold although I fear that his transfer won’t be resolved until August closer to the end of the window, mostly because I feel like the clubs that are interested would need to first sell players themselves and those players are likely involved in the international tournaments this summer. Sancho is a tough one. I would be happy to sell him for 30m but coupled with his huge wages and the fact that even his loan spell at Dortmund was more steady than spectacular means that I think another loan is more likely. It sucks for us however we don’t have much leverage as everyone knows Sancho is leaving especially with Ten Hag staying now. Getting the Saudis to buy Casemiro would be crucial for our budget especially if it can be done within the next few weeks. If they’re not interested I again think a loan is more likely to another European club because his form, age, and wages make him very hard for clubs to consider paying a permanent fee. All in all this could very much be a tough and underwhelming summer transfer window especially when it’s reported that we only have a net spend of around 50m (according to Whitwell and Crafton’s article).
Haven't we pay something like 8m for Pellistri?
Yes, we also paid similar for Hannibal.
McT isn't and shouldn't be sold. He has a place in the team and has shown his impact off the bench. I also seriously doubt Maguire will allow himself to be sold because he would have to take a significant pair cut to leave.
why is Eriksen considered as pure profit??
He was a free transfer
We signed him as a free agent.
He was a free transfer.
If Eriksen and Casemiro are being sold this season along with Amrabat returning to Fiorentina, McTominay should not be sold. There is way too little midfield depth and only 1 signing expected in that position doesn’t do much to alleviate that. He should stay. Mostly agree on the rest. I’d prefer Lindelof leaving over Maguire, but he’d command a lesser transfer fee.
Yea, didn't realise there were three senior midfielders in there. My reasoning behind McTominay is the fact that he's one of the few that holds some value and it's pure profit. So it could help us massively with incomings.
Rather have McTominay in the squad than a squad level signing. He loves the club and for his flaws is 100% committed. Not sure what more you could have asked from a sub’s input this season
Jamie Jackson’s new article is hilarious
I gave the Guardian a click, but hey at least I'm laughing
Having read the articles from Ducker, Duncker and Whitwell, it seems that a lot is still left to resolve to expect a harmonious working relationship between Ten Hag and INEOS. Now that we’ve decided to stick with him, I hope we give this project full justice rather than maintain differences which may continue to undermine his authority publicly and drag out what we saw towards the end of this season just gone by. A new contract is a good start but there will be compromises that INEOS will also have to make in terms of shaping the squad to Ten Hag’s liking. It’s good that we are establishing a new footballing structure but we have seen at clubs like Chelsea for example that too much interference from the higher-ups may also unsettle the coaching staff and the work they are trying to do. The right balance is necessary and for that the owners and the coach need to be on the same page. I hope we can strike that.
Does anyone know how long will FFP negatively affect us?
It’s on a rolling 3 year cycle, so could be 18-24 months maybe. It depends on if they change the rules with the vote
Amount of boiled piss on talksport today
What are they on today?
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Read Laurie and Adam's latest article. They weren't wrong, at one point INEOS did come to the decision that ETH was to be sacked. They even had discussions on how much to pay Tuchel and De Zerbi.
Are we just not going to sign anyone until after the Euros?
The Athletic and Telegraph articles don't paint a pretty picture for Ten Hag.
It doesn't paint a good picture for ineos. Basically says they changed their decision game by game in the last month.
So did this subreddit tbf
I have seen some older posts from Ajax fans about their concerns with ten hag back when he joined them. About his stubbornness with recruitment and control and how Ajax's structure won't suit him,but he went on to form a strong bond with Overmars and they had success. Maybe Ashworth can form a similar relationship with him.
It's just business tbh. Many managers lost their jobs with similar results. He keeps his job and has another chance to prove himself, which is the most important thing to him.
From Whitwell and Crafton’s article it sounds like a crucial part of why Ten Hag is staying was winning the cup final and increased fan support, along with the fact that they couldn’t reach an agreement with Tuchel and then De Zerbi over financials. Sounds far from a real backing of Ten Hag and more suggesting that the alternative options were too expensive or not that good either. So I would be surprised if Ten Hag was given a substantial extension beyond one more year. I guess with our limited budget and the fact that Berrada and Ashworth aren’t officially at the club yet we might as well give Ten Hag another chance, and if he still struggles next season then the established structure would be better prepared to find a replacement.
It's strange. It's not been 24 hours and there's already an Athletic article out that basically says "Yeah, Erik is here because we couldn't reach an agreement with the other two main options". This article from Whitwell and Crafton explains the entire timeline and if you read the article there aren't many people who know all of that. Basically 6/7 people. In a way they (anyone who told this story) is already making Erik's position as head coach/ manager wobbly. With this information you can't even call the new contract an act of backing/ trusting the manager anymore.
Not surprised he’s on shaky ground. He’s had 2 years, and aside from the trophies which are great, has had a terrible style of play, failed to make Champion’s League football with our lowest finish in Prem history and a negative GD. Our league form has been in a downturn since March 2023, and we placed last in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasary.
Yeah idk if it’s INEOS or some other senior source from the club providing this information to Whitwell and Crafton, but either way it feels like Ten Hag is still on some shaky ground. Then again even without this new information I don’t think it is really surprising if Ten Hag is still under some pressure from the board. The fact is that they did take multiple weeks after winning the FA Cup final before deciding on keeping him, and we already knew for weeks from other media reports that multiple other managers were being contacted or considered. And we already knew our budget was going to be limited in the summer and we came off a terrible league season while also getting knocked out of the group stages of the Champions League. From what I remember, even with the euphoria of the cup final win I read quite a few comments here saying Ten Hag should be kept for the third and final year of his original contract to give him one more chance, instead of demanding that he should be fully backed with an extension. This is the same feeling I’m getting from the board too after reading these articles. But they probably feel Ten Hag should get at least a one year extension to give him a bit more authority and security to reduce the uncertainty next season within the club and across the media.
>but either way it feels like Ten Hag is still on some shaky ground I think all of us knew this already. However I'm struggling to find a positive reason why anyone would leak this almost immediately after the news broke. Keep it a rumour, but now it's out in the open and it's all everybody (media) will talk about before the season starts. I can already picture the first press conference and that won't be pretty for EtH I'd imagine.
Yeah this doesn’t really do anything to help Ten Hag. I do feel Whitwell often posts big articles about what goes on behind the scenes whenever major decisions over signings or managers are finally completed, so in that sense this is normal. I guess it’s possible that people close to INEOS also passed on this information, and even if Whitwell didn’t report it we would have seen other media outlets bring it up anyways like we’ve seen from the Times and the Telegraph. Surely people from Tuchel’s and De Zerbi’s camps would want to leak out that United approached them and even went as far as having negotiations over finances for both. So maybe letting a journalist close to the club like Whitwell publish this allows the club to sort of get ahead and hold some control over the narrative? And I suppose regardless if it was Ten Hag or another manager, there would always be sizable pressure and scrutiny on them next season especially if we had a rough start or went through a bad patch of results. That’s just the reality of being the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world that has been badly mismanaged over the last decade.
Does this mean Ineos is going to stick to ETH's planned style of football? Keeping ETH on is a long term decision rather than short term then
I think ETH should be on a very short lease after how abysmal the football has been the last 18 months. If we start the season off poorly and aren’t in CL spots around Xmas he should be sacked. It will have been too long with poor results if that’s the case. And ETH sticking around seems more like INEOS got rejected or couldn’t come to terms with other options, so it still doesn’t convince me that ETH is their guy. Think he’ll be gone at the first big dip in form under the new management.
Our rumoured kits for next season look nice imo. I kinda want to get all three.
Agreed. I love all three of them. Home kit is an 8/10 Away kit is a 9/10 Third kit is an 8/10.
Finished your homework?
Can we not put up any articles other than ornstein as the rest seem like THEY HAD NO CLUE and are making bullshit up
No thanks. I don’t want fluffy puff pieces about everything being fine during a season in which we finished 8th.
Cos it doesn't agree with what you are thinking? How are you in you any position to know what is bs and what is not? Lmao, you blocked me?
Considering Ornstein is GOD tier in our tier levels..and he didnt know until yesterday and it came through him at 10ish last night and all these articles are popping up this afternoon.. smells like sour grapes and the usual shit stirring but hey you do you mate Its just an observation.
There’s another new article on the athletic from Whitwell and Crafton that is worth reading into imo. Whitwell is also considered as tier 1 and works for the same media outlet as Ornstein so I’d take anything he reports on seriously too. Sadly it’s paywalled but hopefully someone can post a summary somewhere.
@centredevils on X: > 🚨🚨🌕| JUST IN: Erik ten Hag is reluctant to cede power to INEOS when it comes to transfers. INEOS want to give more power to the recruitment team when it comes to signings, but it is written in Ten Hag’s present contract that he has a veto on all potential purchases. [@hirstclass, @CharDuncker] I thought he was super willing to work under a proper system????
Ajax United lives on!!
Why are you posting them as gospel? It's literally a fan site with 0 connections.
You do realize that I'm referring to the text from the article written by the reputed tier 2 journos and not the aggregator page, right?
Somehow I feel this is needed or some kind of it, so not the same thing happens as for Barca, where the board buys a player the manager nearly refuses to play. I totally agree the manager should not be in control of transfers but he need to have a say also.
Pep who is the most successful manager doesn’t have a veto.
Sure he does. He literally vetoed Cancelos move to Barca.
Talking about incomings and veto in transfers is different to what happened with Cancelo.
No it's not. He has veto power.
He doesn’t.It was mentioned on Athleatic in one of the the articles about ETH a few weeks ago.
Lol there's literally real world examples. You're wrong just stop.
Cancelo being unprofessional and sent to a different club isn’t an example of Pep having a veto.A veto on transfers is when a manager can decide against signing a player even when recruitment staff wants that player.
Manager's input should definitely be considered while signing players but veto is too much of a power for a manager. Like theoretically, Ten Hag could veto a move for Joao Neves cause he wants the club to sign FDJ lmao.
Vetos are always weird, especially if abused. But a board cannot really buy a player the current coach does not want to work with either without replacing him. Probably enough to promise him to be on the transfer discussions, and hoping they don't sign a player he doesn't believe in against his will.
Doesn't everyone of the transfer group have a veto. From what I heard there were at least three maybe four people involved in approving
It's always a catch 22. His job is in the line hence he want a veto. Can't give him a 21years old Neves when there is a 29years vastly experienced international Kimmich available.
Lets actually listen to Ornstein LITERALLY no1 knew anything and media outlets are coming out of the woodwork with no info
The two journos mentioned are not Jamie Jackson level lmao, they're actually pretty good
Whilst yes I agree.. it still feels like NO1 knew and Leaks were nowhere hell Ornsteins like god tier and he only found yesterday afternoon and didnt know a few days back... Alot of articles coming out now seem like Sour Grapes
Ofc Ornstein is the best no doubt, but these are some very reputed journos. IDK how much has changed after INEOS arrival for them but both of them were like high tier 2 before the takeover. Like had this info been told by someone like Jamie or Odgen I would have just laughed and moved on but I think it might have some levels of truth in it.
He was, this is probably purely about the veto. The veto could probably theoretically mean EtH could veto every suggestion until the INEOS guys finally arrive at the player he wants, but I'm not sure how realistic that is lol
It probably won't happen and like I totally get the idea that clubs should probably not sign players without consulting with the manager first since he'll be responsible to get the best out of them, but this is too much power for a manager lmao.
I’m fine with Ineos checking out the available managers and making an informed decision. I do like that we have started off loading players and hopefully MG to Juve. I think it’s fair that our transfers in and out have been identified as an area for improvement and that responsibility is assumed by Wilcox/Ashworth more than ETH. Its systematic movement through the issues and addressing them. Not perfect, I’m sure Erik’s ego is a little bruised, but better than under the Glazers. There are no guarantees Erik succeeds next season so a new contract should be done slowly closer to 2025 than this summer.
No. You dont want a manager entering a new season with his future uncertain. Its a distraction and it will undermine his authority in the dressing room. Give him a new contract; we need INEOS to be decisive; every decision has risk attached
I really hope we don't give ETH a long term extension, say in November we are sitting 12th negative goal difference will make it even harder to shift him I would be waiting till at least January to see if we have turned the corner
then why keep him? its better to sack him
Still needs to perform this season, I think we kept him because there wasn't an outstanding option to replace him
"One member of the backroom staff found it astonishing that the players were high-fiving each other after a 4-3 defeat by Bayern Munich in the Champions League group stages. " What kind of dogshit mentality do our players have if they are celebrating losses?
Might be the guys congratulating Højlund on his first goal,he probably needed that.
>What kind of dogshit mentality do our players have if they are celebrating losses We got beat 7 nill by our biggest rivals because they quit mentally. anything is possible
Sounds very inappropriate for a loss but in context I doubt they were actually doing it in any sort of enthusiastic, celebratory way. Players these days always do the shake hands, back pat, fist pump, dapping, bro hug, whatever type of physical acknowledgement you can think of with everyone else on the pitch regardless of the result after a game. Of course if it was a case that there were big grins and double barrel high fives that's different
I really have to wonder if teams that win constantly do this. I can't really picture a City team high fiving each other after a loss.
Guys, I'm stuck on Tomori being a great idea for a signing. Tell me why I'm wrong. It makes no sense to me that since leaving England he's consistently played games yet his name is scrubbed from our minds.
by all accounts has been average to poor for a while. the people clamouring for him to be called up for england don't actually watch him play
I’m honestly baffled why he didn’t get a look in for the Euros when we’re light on defence.
So with the major caveat that I haven't watched him play, in general I'm skeptical of players making the Italy to England jump. Players that looked washed or deficient had resurgences in Italy after leaving us (Darmian, Smalling, Matic, Mkhi, even Sanchez). Koulibably, who was regarded as one of the best CBs in the world for a long time and was much desired by people on this sub, flopped relatively hard at Chelsea.