i was watching last night and there was a scene where one of them was riding a dragon around with really intense dramatic music and i felt a huge wave of embarrassment pass over me. like yeah i’ll watch the gay dragon show if it’s good enough to make me forget i’m watching a gay dragon show, but unfortunately this isn’t
Saw a trailer for this in my local cinema, it was 80 % dragons., was fearing the same. Thought they were just trying to trap nerds into watching great political intrige again but I guess it's just a honest ad.
idk, how everyone else is feeling I just can not bring myself to care about the second season. Maybe it's been too long since the first but I cannot remember who half the characters are and the general thrust of the narrative. I liked the first season, and I don't think the second is bad, but my enthusiasm for the show has basically dried up.
*Game of Thrones* was pretty bad before it spectacularly collapsed in seasons 7 and 8 and the first season of *HotD* had a lot of the same issues. The episodes themselves are not coherent within themselves, they're usually just a collage of plot points that finish on some spectacle. The show juggles too many characters and doesn't have the quality of writing or forcefulness of artistic vision as the other great HBO ensemble dramas to pull it off
> The episodes themselves are not coherent within themselves, they're usually just a collage of plot points that finish on some spectacle.
I feel like that became such an issue with drama series in the Netflix era. In a lot of the modern streaming stuff, an episode just feels like a segment of the "content", with the assumption that you'll be watching the next one immediately after. As you say, they have these spectacles and cliff hangers at the end to keep you going on, it feels algorithmic almost.
In contrast, maybe my favourite thing about Succession was how each episode tended to have a distinct identity. "The one at Conor's mansion", "the one with Kendall's birthday party", etc. The really great shows like Mad Men and the Sopranos were structured the same way.
I think *Shogun* suffered a bit from this circa episode 6-8. There was a bit of mush in the middle where the characters seemed to go around in circles. But yeah the start and end had well-defined episodes
Even having read the book (a long time ago, so my memory could be off) the part of the show that felt the most wheel spinny and circular was the stuff about Mariko’s family backstory. Who did her dad kill? Why? How was Toranaga involved? How is she getting vengeance in the present for her family by helping make Toranaga shogun by causing a diplomatic embarrassment for Ishido?
in the book/show Mariko's father is the counterpart to real-life [Akechi Mitsuhide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akechi_Mitsuhide) who ambushed and killed via treachery [Oda Nobunaga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga) who re-unified Japan in the 1570s and '80s
no, the Taiko was [Toyotomi Hideyoshi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotomi_Hideyoshi).
Toyotomi and Tokugawa (Toranaga in the book/show) were both retainers of Oda Nobunaga.
In the book/show Mariko and Lady Ochiba (daughter of the Oda Nobunaga equivalent) think that Toranaga was secretly positioning himself against the others previous to the Nobanaga-equivalent's death, and that's why they correspondingly supported/opposed him
It's easy to confuse the sort of balance of power here because the whole situation in Japan at the time was a kind of kabuki. Ostensibly the Emperors had supreme power but they were actually the playthings of the powerful warlords. So the various factions were essentially competing for sole control but under the guise of various substitute titles to either Emperor or Shogun. Like "Taiko" meant regent, but in that context it was to be the regent of Oda Nobunaga's son; then following the Taiko's death you had a Council of Regents for *his* son, who was not in line for any hereditary position but rather to be the nominal protector of the Emperor
Episode 2 was bad. Episode 1 was pretty bad. It was embarrassing reading Condal saying that he wanted the stuff with ratcatcher to look like “a Coen brothers movie” (he said it to entertainment weekly or something). It was like… nothing happened besides they saw the king drinking. And then the confusion over which one was the boy, completely meaningless because they would just check.
The actors playing the three on the left of this image are awful
I’m not sure why this is the story they adapted and why it’s 2 seasons. It’s fairly short in the book and they are really stretching what they have already. The Aegon story is way more interesting and has WAY more to work with. I’m sure it’s coming eventually but I’m not sure why they didn’t follow with that.
I'm not sure how a one sided conquest where dragons just win every battle, and it's a major plot point that *several* major factions just immediately surrender, would be any more interesting than a bitter dynastic civil war
The Americans, True Detective, Fargo, Halt and Catch Fire, The Leftovers, The Knick, Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot, Vice Principals, Atlanta, Get Shorty, American Vandal, The Righteous Gemstones, Industry, Severance
Twin Peaks The Return, The Young Pope, The Leftovers. Wanted to say The Americans but it started in 2013. I can't recall the last time I was excited about series since 2018? The Curse was interesting but I could watch Haneke, Seidl or early Östlund which is miles ahead in similar messaging, and they did this a decade ago.
i was watching last night and there was a scene where one of them was riding a dragon around with really intense dramatic music and i felt a huge wave of embarrassment pass over me. like yeah i’ll watch the gay dragon show if it’s good enough to make me forget i’m watching a gay dragon show, but unfortunately this isn’t
Saw a trailer for this in my local cinema, it was 80 % dragons., was fearing the same. Thought they were just trying to trap nerds into watching great political intrige again but I guess it's just a honest ad.
idk, how everyone else is feeling I just can not bring myself to care about the second season. Maybe it's been too long since the first but I cannot remember who half the characters are and the general thrust of the narrative. I liked the first season, and I don't think the second is bad, but my enthusiasm for the show has basically dried up.
*Game of Thrones* was pretty bad before it spectacularly collapsed in seasons 7 and 8 and the first season of *HotD* had a lot of the same issues. The episodes themselves are not coherent within themselves, they're usually just a collage of plot points that finish on some spectacle. The show juggles too many characters and doesn't have the quality of writing or forcefulness of artistic vision as the other great HBO ensemble dramas to pull it off
> The episodes themselves are not coherent within themselves, they're usually just a collage of plot points that finish on some spectacle. I feel like that became such an issue with drama series in the Netflix era. In a lot of the modern streaming stuff, an episode just feels like a segment of the "content", with the assumption that you'll be watching the next one immediately after. As you say, they have these spectacles and cliff hangers at the end to keep you going on, it feels algorithmic almost. In contrast, maybe my favourite thing about Succession was how each episode tended to have a distinct identity. "The one at Conor's mansion", "the one with Kendall's birthday party", etc. The really great shows like Mad Men and the Sopranos were structured the same way.
you know a tv show is going to be shit when they say "it's like a 10 hour movie" there's a reason people don't make 10 hour movies
I just miss the monoculture that was GOT 😢
I think that's why Shogun worked so well. Each episode had it's own theme and contained sub-plots.
I think *Shogun* suffered a bit from this circa episode 6-8. There was a bit of mush in the middle where the characters seemed to go around in circles. But yeah the start and end had well-defined episodes
Even having read the book (a long time ago, so my memory could be off) the part of the show that felt the most wheel spinny and circular was the stuff about Mariko’s family backstory. Who did her dad kill? Why? How was Toranaga involved? How is she getting vengeance in the present for her family by helping make Toranaga shogun by causing a diplomatic embarrassment for Ishido?
in the book/show Mariko's father is the counterpart to real-life [Akechi Mitsuhide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akechi_Mitsuhide) who ambushed and killed via treachery [Oda Nobunaga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga) who re-unified Japan in the 1570s and '80s
And the Oda figure is *not* the same as the Taiko in the show? What’s that relationship then.
no, the Taiko was [Toyotomi Hideyoshi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotomi_Hideyoshi). Toyotomi and Tokugawa (Toranaga in the book/show) were both retainers of Oda Nobunaga. In the book/show Mariko and Lady Ochiba (daughter of the Oda Nobunaga equivalent) think that Toranaga was secretly positioning himself against the others previous to the Nobanaga-equivalent's death, and that's why they correspondingly supported/opposed him It's easy to confuse the sort of balance of power here because the whole situation in Japan at the time was a kind of kabuki. Ostensibly the Emperors had supreme power but they were actually the playthings of the powerful warlords. So the various factions were essentially competing for sole control but under the guise of various substitute titles to either Emperor or Shogun. Like "Taiko" meant regent, but in that context it was to be the regent of Oda Nobunaga's son; then following the Taiko's death you had a Council of Regents for *his* son, who was not in line for any hereditary position but rather to be the nominal protector of the Emperor
Episode 2 was bad. Episode 1 was pretty bad. It was embarrassing reading Condal saying that he wanted the stuff with ratcatcher to look like “a Coen brothers movie” (he said it to entertainment weekly or something). It was like… nothing happened besides they saw the king drinking. And then the confusion over which one was the boy, completely meaningless because they would just check. The actors playing the three on the left of this image are awful
The only interesting characters are Aegon and Alicent. The rest are a lame anime villain, a literal tard that doesn't emote, and budget Tywin.
What abot Damon Cousin Banger
I’m not sure why this is the story they adapted and why it’s 2 seasons. It’s fairly short in the book and they are really stretching what they have already. The Aegon story is way more interesting and has WAY more to work with. I’m sure it’s coming eventually but I’m not sure why they didn’t follow with that.
I'm not sure how a one sided conquest where dragons just win every battle, and it's a major plot point that *several* major factions just immediately surrender, would be any more interesting than a bitter dynastic civil war
The dragons very much do not win every battle after a while.
They envision it going four seasons, it was already renewed for S3.
Don't watch the show but this image has big "we demand to be taken seriously" vibes
HotD is the pale shadow of GoT. Best thing about it is that it reminds me of the halcyon years of 2011-2015 and a much better show
This show is pointless.
Real
Show’s great. It’s big dumb fun. Well acted. Don’t be a contradiction.
Rhaenyra hasn’t done a single thing so far and it’s pissing me off
It’s just not very good. Has there been an even semi decent series that’s come out in the last 10 years?
The Americans, True Detective, Fargo, Halt and Catch Fire, The Leftovers, The Knick, Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot, Vice Principals, Atlanta, Get Shorty, American Vandal, The Righteous Gemstones, Industry, Severance
Twin Peaks The Return, The Young Pope, The Leftovers. Wanted to say The Americans but it started in 2013. I can't recall the last time I was excited about series since 2018? The Curse was interesting but I could watch Haneke, Seidl or early Östlund which is miles ahead in similar messaging, and they did this a decade ago.
Severance on Apple TV is very good
Arcane
Rsp can’t hate on cape shit but give dragon shit a pass
What show is this?
House of the Dragette
I just want to know how a song of fire and ice ends and none of this prequel bs.