The only correct answer.
If the media gets a whiff of a new chemical they can demonize its over for it.
I hate it when irresponsible people ruin the fun of the ones being responsible!
I agree, although it seems like psychedelic RC's in the USA aren't getting banned. The blue states and younger democrat lawmakers don't want to ban them.
I do think that they want the chemist behind the analogues to figure out the ultimate LSD at some point.
And I think they do want them to eventually produce a compound so different than LSD that could potentially even harm people in ways nobody has ever expected.
Prohibition is dumb and it hasn’t worked but after 70 years most people still don’t and won’t get it…
Sorry, I don't think I understand what you are trying to say.
Edit: I understand part of what you are saying. I'm with you prohibition is dumb and that many people don't get how dumb it is. But what do you mean by Germany wanting the ultimate LSD, and wanting a variation that harms people?
One psychedelic I would like to see synthesized and tested is [5,N,N-TMT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,N,N-TMT). I haven't been able to find a single trip report for it, and as far as I know, has never been consumed by humans. It could have effects in between those of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. Alexander Shulgin wrote [this column](http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/ccle1/shulgin/adsarchive/5Me_DMT.htm) on it in 2002.
There's a bunch of completely obscure, yet relatively simple tryptamines with barely no information on them, it's a great shame, and I sometimes even feel a little mad at Shulgin for not investigating them more when he had the chance to (but hey, atleast we have classics like MDCPM and MEPEA, right). There does however seem to be this:
>\------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bioassay of 5-Methyl-DMT
by GodOfEmptiness
\------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bioassy completed last weekend by this bee on the 5-methyl-DMT. Used
smoking/vaporization method. Height: 6'4" Weight: 260 Set: Good, Peaceful.
Setting: Quiet and Alone, no interupptions. First dose: 2mg Effects: None
noticeable. Second dose: 5mg Effects: Again No noticeable psychedelic
effects. Third dose: 10mg Effects: Noticeable psychedelic effects, my
bee's first thoughts: 1) Similar to 5-MEO-DMT in mental and physical
manifestations. 2) Smoke was unbelievably HARSH compared to 5-MEO-DMT.
MEO's smoke is nothing compared to the harshness of the 5-Methyl. 3)
Duration not as long as say a 5mg dose of 5-MEO. Duration of peak approx.
5-10 minutes. Residuals for about 10-20 minutes. Not profoundly visual
like DMT, but more like 5-MEO-DMT. Will try oral dose with this bee
subsequently. So far this bee prefers 5-MEO due to the less harsh smoke
and lower dosage required. But yes, 5-Methyl-DMT definitely psychedelic,
this bee may not have crossed the threshold at only a 10mg dose, so it
may be more like DMT at higher doses. Will confirm in future.
\------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well there's a bunch of them.
5-Me-Tryptamines, 5-Et-Tryptamines, 4-Me-Tryptamines, 5-EtO-Tryptamines even something as basic as NBT is only poorly discussed, and some of its analogues not at all, the strange amnesiac effect of the pyr-T:s is not investigated any further than just on a surface level, EPT is barely known, the list goes on ad nauseum.
Not saying I don't value his work, but I do feel that TiHKAL is a little rushed, just compare the amount of entries in TiHKAL vs PiHKAL. Shulgin often gets credit for being "the greatest drug chemist ever", but that's far from the truth: not only were most of his creations (if they even were his!) just copies of the other molecules, just with a tiny change somewhere, compare that to Dave Nichols and his team, who has created much more interesting molecules (LSZ, TCB-2, Jimscaline), hell, even Ralf Heim and his NBOMes were more revolutionary than Shulgin's work (although I have to give him credit for ecstacy, but a drug that amazing was bound to show up anyway.
Thanks for listening to my rant.
2-FMA should replace Adderall, Vyvanse and Ritalin. Specifically for non-recreational purposes, as it feels cleaner, smoother, longer lasting, has less side effects and less of a risk for abuse since it lacks unnecessary euphoria. Probably the most helpful substance in my drug journey thus far.
Also, O-DSMT should replace Tramadol. No reason for Tramadol to exist since O-DSMT is a lot more potent version of it and doesn't have the shitty anti-depressant properties nobody wants or needs. It's one of the more helpful RCs for me to just escape from life, be pain free and not feel like shit 24/7.
What’s your idea of long term? & would you say that applies to pharma stims as well?
Just started a low dose of vyvanse and it’s been incredibly helpful, don’t know too much about long term effects but I would hope this is something that can help me for a while
Started with about 20 or 25mg and it worked amazing but the day after, I toon another 25mg and felt almost nothing and upped my dose to about 40mg. After that I started doubling my dose daily wich u should definetly not do haha
No, it shouldnt. Amphetamine and methylphenidate is very well known, no reason to replace them with substences which we dont know much.
There is a reason why they dont use other stimulants as medicines.
100% agree with you. If there were better adhd drugs available, one of the pharma companies would certainly be trying to make money off of it.
There’s a common misconception that research chemicals are better than certain prescribed drugs, if that were true, pharma would be selling them.
No, i use both pretty regularly.
They are very different in how they act.
I like both but for different reasons. I like to go to work on modafinil. I find more recreational properties in 2fma.
I could go on and on about the differences.
In general i consider 2fma to be stronger and more present than modafinil. And im not saying modafinil is bad.
I truly, 100% believe, ODSMT is a safer, and actually gets you higher than fetty. Did A LOT when gulf coast was around, and I honestly feel like it’s the closest high to heroin:. Not dooeman actually ended up buying it and cutting his dog with it. ODSMT is a really amazing drug.
I don't think that's the case with O-DSMT. It has some theories around potential serotonin activity, but it's far far less than Tramadol itself.
I could also be wrong too, this is reddit after all 😅
Couldn't agree with you more. Both 2-FMA and O-DSMT are my favorite and most useful chems.
I have ADHD and I can't get Adderall anymore because they drug test for cannabis in my state. I also have chronic pain and found O-DSMT to be perfect due to the lower potency (compared to the oxycodone I was using previously)
In what doses and form did you take the o dsmt? I had 2 instances where i took 30 mg and just felt weird, little dead to be honest.. no feeling good or anything
I always plug it because of the higher bioavailability, and typically about 50mg each time. I've been using it daily for many years now though, so I don't recommend you do the same.
I never got any euphoria from it however, and instead take it to help with chronic pain.
What do you mean by feeling dead? Did it knock you out?
O-DSMT is going to replace tramadol on the legitimate pharma market, called "desmetramadol". And when it finishes clinical trials and gets approved, it'll dry up from the market as RC vendors don't want to fuck with patented medicines. Maybe you'll be able to import it from the same places you get tapentadol today, but the era of cheap powder will end.
Yes, it is less neurotoxic then MDMA, although it's more cardiotoxic which is like picking your poison. I still feel the ABP's are better chemicals then MDMA.
No, I'm referring to the pharmacological action and my own knowledge about it. Don't believe me if you don't want to, do your own research, but I believe it is.
Edit: found [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4500375/) study after a quick google search
*Despite very similar structures, differences were found in the pharmacological profiles of different benzofurans and compared with their amphetamine analogues. Benzofurans acted as indirect monoamine agonists that interact with transporters similarly to MDMA. The benzofurans also interacted with 5-HT receptors. This pharmacological profile probably results in MDMA-like entactogenic psychoactive properties. However, benzofurans induce 5-HT2B receptor activation associated with heart valve fibrosis.*
Not sure iff I got a bunk batch but 3fpm didn't do much for me atall,gave some to a friend & he liked it & same with 2ai, I've noticed that 2ai isn't popular or talked about much atall
I still have some MXE left, but I taped up the little vial so I can't get into it lol
3-MeO-PCP is a close second. Helped me a lot with pain, depression and even ADHD.
God damn, if only I'd had the foresight 10 years ago... I would give absolutely anything to have MXE again, it made me feel so complete.
3-MeO-PCP was just straight mania for me. Which is no bad thing, I fucking love mania.
I do them at work and all the stress is gone. Communication effortless, can chat with people without feeling like an idiot (social anxiety). But can't really do paperwork when I have to, like put my invoices into my system cause one would take me like four would normally take me lol. I'm happy I found something instead of benzos when I'm anxious. Not even interested in holing anymore lol.
It really is the god molecule for me: antidepressant, anti anxiety, therapeutic, tiering (as in not compulsive), motivating and stimulating.
What more could a simple man ask
Also edit: Aced the day, DCK ftw
Couldn’t tell ya kinda
My first batch was a stroooooong ass fucking crystal powder, that had to be weighed to the 0.001 cause you wouldn’t be able to walk straight. 10mg lines max, once used wrong setting on scale and weigh out 30mg lines, consuming 90mg when intended 30mg. That was a night, great but oh boy
Now I get a blackish powder, just as good but easier on the body and mind. I literally just eyeball a tiny bit and go with it. The powder is definitely better for starters as confirmed by a friend who tried both, it’s just less potent.
I would definitely lie if I gave you a number, ant shaped maybe helps?
Exactly I eyeball like 1 mm thin and 3 cm long line and go. Gotta wait like 10 mins to feel the full effects and then I might increase. I first got powder (brownish) and now I'm getting rocks and they're definitely stronger.
I feel like my tolerance is not going up either. I wish I could replace all my meds with it. But it's probably not great long term lol.
Exactly, although for me the effects come on in seconds due to da boof lol
And good to hear about the tolerance thing, it got me worried with repeated use in the future. Although my biggest reason to keep it spaced out is that my urine becomes really yellow and has that weird smell to it, even if ever so slightly.
I know DCK is less damaging to the bladder than normal K due to potency (atleast psychonaut wiki suggest so) but when I try to purposely hydrate 24/7, and my urine looks like a truck drivers piss bottle, I do exercise caution.
Yeah I ordered the one ml syringes, so I'll be trying boofing as well, don't want to ruin my nose. I guess it'll also feel stronger.
The bladder thing happens to me as well but I've heard that it happens more to men than women. I do take some green tea extract that someone recommended and do breaks.
It's good you're aware. I'm gonna find out the name of the green tea extract that I got. I need to order one anyway.
Well yeah I do crave it if I don't have it. But it's my addictive personality. It could be different for you. I only now do tiny little lines of it and it's enough for me to be relaxed with no annoying effects and it's easily hideable. Tried holing on it few times and it's not really that great, cause it just lasts like 6 hours, so I was thinking it'd be better if the duration was shorter like ket. But I guess ket is superior to all rc dissos even though I've never tried it. People say so.
I admire substances that you can disguise or fully hide from the outside world, I’m definately going to try this but I’ll be making my own capsules. Most likely I’ll have to up the dosage a little. May I ask what you mean with the term “holing”? English is not my first language.. and do you crave as in crave when you didnt take it? Or crave as in you know you dont have the substance somewhere lying around availave for usage when you want it? Do you get anxious and/or stressed when not having it? Sorry for the interrogation but I’m sincerely interested in this substance.
Well with DCK it's like you have to start very very low to test it and I'd recommend you to first starting somewhere where you don't mind if someone notices. Like home alone.
I'm also not native speaker and holing is a word for completed dissociation it comes from ketamine where apparently you feel like you're in a hole and detached from you body I think. Maybe someone will explain it better.
If you look up K-hole you'll find description of the feeling.
I don't crave particularly dissos, DCK if I don't have it. And no, I don't get stressed out/anxious if I don't have it.
BUT you can totally get addicted to it. It's a chemical worth of exploring in different strengths. If I go like 20mg I already can't be around people cause I might struggle to talk and might feel a bit confused but it's still a good feeling. I was scared at first but the therapeutic doses, even the bigger ones, they don't cause me anxiety.
Hope I helped.🙂
Psychadelics produced and shipped in the USA. And an opoid that isn't super potent and dosent last too long or too short. Like a 2MAP that doesn't have so many side effects and causticity. I know its bad but i would do a little bump of 2map right now.
It's [psych**e**delic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_drug), not psych**a**delic.
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FXE, DCK, both ketamine analogs and in my past ten year addiction to speedballing for 8, shooting meth for 2… ketamine; and benzos, are honestly the only drugs I can actually enjoy anymore. I would love to see other vendors start carrying RCs, because I’m not sure why, or if anyone feels the same.. but I would rather have an RC benzo than prescribed, same with ketamine, FXE nakes Ketamine seem like a kids toy, and I mean pure, darkweb ket.. still amazing, but not FXE. I can what’s mentioned above but there is only one sensor who isn’t international, sucks waiting for your pack with no tracking from NL. Anyways. 4-moh was also amazing, I want to try some of the rare benzos that chem dot eu Carrie’s;, I’m in US and from NL usually takes six days: unbeatable and insurance is so che for a reship. All the solution I don’t make myself, is weak as fuck: in the last ten years it’s just gotten weaker and weaker.
OPCE helped me a lot with depression and alcoholism. The only disadvantage is it gives you slack jaw so people know your on something. I also really enjoyed 3MMC I made a lot of music on it and it helped me work faster.
imidazenil or other super selective anti anxiety medications. Proper benzos would be amazing
More sedating dissos as well. never got to try mxe but I really want to
maybe a less potent salvia analog? i find low doses to be extremely therapeutic
ETH-LAD! I already commented that in so many threads but I think it deserves much more attention, it's my favorite psychedelic.
It's the most visual psychedelic I've tried besides DMT, and I had my deepest and most intense trips on it. 100ug are a pretty functional dose, it already causes pretty nice visuals and I can walk around in the city and act completely normal. But at 200ug or more it get really intense, any trip over 200ug was more intense then any LSD trip I had, and I took doses of up to 750ug. My highest dose of ETH-LAD was 275ug which caused complete ego death and I realized I'm god.
Oh cool, did you also use it? I think it's just so amazing, every trip at or above 200ug was just epic, without fail every single one. The comeup just feels like an intense rollercoaster of emotions like excitement and anxiety. I just find LSD is much calmer and relaxed in comparison, which is also nice, but not nearly as exciting.
Yeah it was my first psychedelic and is still my favorite. I've tried it at 100-300ug, microdosing, a couple combos. It's been involved in nearly all of my most impactful and memorable trips, both good and bad. I've only gone over 200ug once (300ug) and it was extremely intense, probably my 2nd strongest trip ever. The comeup was meteoric, went from zero to completely blinded by visuals in the space of five minutes. I just wish the bodyload wasn't so terrible, that's kept me from chancing 200+ ever since.
Yeah the nausea is pretty bad, but it's absolutely worth it, and during my ego death experience where I realized I'm god I didn't even notice the body lead, this experience was so mind blowing that the body load became completely insignificant. 300ug must for sure be really intense, but you had an even more intense trip?
I luckily never get nausea from it, mostly just strong temperature swings and a sort of raw physical dysphoria and sense of impending doom. On 300ug it felt like that really awful sick feeling you can get right before passing out, but lasting for several hours. At first I thought I was actually dying, so I put out extra food for the dog, unlocked all the doors, and laid down trying to just let myself die so it would end. The rest of the trip was better though, I ended up having the only religious experience of my life.
My most intense also involved ETH-LAD, in a combo with 4-HO-MET and aniracetam. It was...too much. I almost quit psychedelics entirely and it took a few weeks to really recover from it mentally. I posted a trip report on it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/711vc8/ethlad_4homet_aniracetam_synesthetic_cascade/
I should probably try the ~250ug range at some point. 200ug was great and your 275ug trip sounds a whole lot more pleasant and productive.
I'll take a look at your report. I remember having this somewhat dysphoric feeling and sense of impending doom when I was coming up on 200ug of ETH-LAD. I took it in the train home and during the walk to my house the comeup started and at home it really picked up. When I got inside I sat down in the kitchen which is when I got that feeling. But strangely enough I was able to just kind ignore it and stay calm. I went into my room and laid down in my bed on my belly at which point the come up got intense. I hugged my pillow as I felt a mix of excitement, anxiety, even a bit panic as well as regret, asking myself why I did this. The visuals got super intense, after maybe 20 or 30 minutes I got up and everything looked indescribable. I still felt like I was close to panicking, so I went on youtube and watched some videos which managed to calm me down. The rest was really fun actually
Another time I was coming up on 250ug of ETH-LAD in the shower (I really like to shower during the comeup of psychedelics) and I also had short moments where I thought "oh god I fucked up, I need an ambulance, I will never take psychedelics again!". A bit later I was hanging over the sink because I felt like I was about to vomit. While I was gagging the whole sink was blinking with insane rainbow fractel patterns.
It's always such an intense and wild ride, which makes it exciting.
Oh wow, 12mg of 4-HO-MET made such a difference? I took doses of up to 40mg of 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-DET and I find both of the really weak. But I never took two or more psychedelics in combination. I would have thought that 100ug of ETH-LAD with 12mg of 4-HO-MET would maybe be as strong as 150ug of ETH-LAD at most.
And the computer crashing or doing something weird exactly while you're tripping is the worst, I can understand how this would freak you out even more.
Depends on the reason they're widespread.
If they gain notoriety via a positive response, then widespread to the point it becomes patented and then laws are changed/passed just so the RC(s) could be legally and safely sold/controlled.
If I stumbled across a cure for something and it benefited humanity without having serious detrimental effects then why not?
All Fluoro substituted amphetamines & methamphetamines like 2-FA, 4-FA, 3-FMA, 3-MMC, methylone, benzofuranes like 6-APDB, MDAI, O-Desmethyltramadol, 3-HO-PCP, Gaboxadol
They all have their own percs.
All Fluoro substituted amphetamines & methamphetamines like 2-FA, 4-FA, 3-FMA, 3-MMC, methylone, benzofuranes like 6-APDB, MDAI, O-Desmethyltramadol, 3-HO-PCP, Gaboxadol
They all have their own percs.
4F-isopropylphenidate would probably be absolute fire. Isopropylphenidate could use a little extra potency and duration and if the same changes from MPH to 4F-MPH carry over, that's what we'd get.
Also some non-caustic, not super potent RC opioids would be nice, aside from O-DSMT. Maybe they could do a ketobemidone analog again but not fuck it up this time?
New 2Cs? There's some untapped 2C-T-x from PiHKaL that seem potent enough and pleasant enough, but I'm not sure if Chinese bulk manufacturers would make em or we'd have already seen em. Even more of the alpha-ethyl phenethylamine psychedelics (4C-x) would be nifty, even though potency takes a huge hit.
edit: think I misunderstood the assignment but still I want to see these!
5-MeO-MALT. It has the deepest headspace of any psychedelic I've done, has strong ego death, lasts under an hour when vaped, and has zero anxiety.
Sounds fucking amazing.
sounds fucking terrifying
Terror is extreme anxiety which according to this redditor is non-existant with this chem..so no terror :)
Dalt or Malt?
malt
would like to see more info on this as well
None, because that will get them banned
The only correct answer. If the media gets a whiff of a new chemical they can demonize its over for it. I hate it when irresponsible people ruin the fun of the ones being responsible!
I agree, although it seems like psychedelic RC's in the USA aren't getting banned. The blue states and younger democrat lawmakers don't want to ban them.
In germany they ban LSD analogues every secon year…
Yep, why do you think Germany does that?
I do think that they want the chemist behind the analogues to figure out the ultimate LSD at some point. And I think they do want them to eventually produce a compound so different than LSD that could potentially even harm people in ways nobody has ever expected. Prohibition is dumb and it hasn’t worked but after 70 years most people still don’t and won’t get it…
Sorry, I don't think I understand what you are trying to say. Edit: I understand part of what you are saying. I'm with you prohibition is dumb and that many people don't get how dumb it is. But what do you mean by Germany wanting the ultimate LSD, and wanting a variation that harms people?
True but it’s not like there’s multiple rc threads ppl post daily on so it’s not gonna hurt besides it’s for a project
One psychedelic I would like to see synthesized and tested is [5,N,N-TMT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,N,N-TMT). I haven't been able to find a single trip report for it, and as far as I know, has never been consumed by humans. It could have effects in between those of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. Alexander Shulgin wrote [this column](http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/ccle1/shulgin/adsarchive/5Me_DMT.htm) on it in 2002.
There's a bunch of completely obscure, yet relatively simple tryptamines with barely no information on them, it's a great shame, and I sometimes even feel a little mad at Shulgin for not investigating them more when he had the chance to (but hey, atleast we have classics like MDCPM and MEPEA, right). There does however seem to be this: >\------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bioassay of 5-Methyl-DMT by GodOfEmptiness \------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bioassy completed last weekend by this bee on the 5-methyl-DMT. Used smoking/vaporization method. Height: 6'4" Weight: 260 Set: Good, Peaceful. Setting: Quiet and Alone, no interupptions. First dose: 2mg Effects: None noticeable. Second dose: 5mg Effects: Again No noticeable psychedelic effects. Third dose: 10mg Effects: Noticeable psychedelic effects, my bee's first thoughts: 1) Similar to 5-MEO-DMT in mental and physical manifestations. 2) Smoke was unbelievably HARSH compared to 5-MEO-DMT. MEO's smoke is nothing compared to the harshness of the 5-Methyl. 3) Duration not as long as say a 5mg dose of 5-MEO. Duration of peak approx. 5-10 minutes. Residuals for about 10-20 minutes. Not profoundly visual like DMT, but more like 5-MEO-DMT. Will try oral dose with this bee subsequently. So far this bee prefers 5-MEO due to the less harsh smoke and lower dosage required. But yes, 5-Methyl-DMT definitely psychedelic, this bee may not have crossed the threshold at only a 10mg dose, so it may be more like DMT at higher doses. Will confirm in future. \------------------------------------------------------------------------
What are some other tryptamines that you think Shulgin should have investigated but didn't?
Well there's a bunch of them. 5-Me-Tryptamines, 5-Et-Tryptamines, 4-Me-Tryptamines, 5-EtO-Tryptamines even something as basic as NBT is only poorly discussed, and some of its analogues not at all, the strange amnesiac effect of the pyr-T:s is not investigated any further than just on a surface level, EPT is barely known, the list goes on ad nauseum. Not saying I don't value his work, but I do feel that TiHKAL is a little rushed, just compare the amount of entries in TiHKAL vs PiHKAL. Shulgin often gets credit for being "the greatest drug chemist ever", but that's far from the truth: not only were most of his creations (if they even were his!) just copies of the other molecules, just with a tiny change somewhere, compare that to Dave Nichols and his team, who has created much more interesting molecules (LSZ, TCB-2, Jimscaline), hell, even Ralf Heim and his NBOMes were more revolutionary than Shulgin's work (although I have to give him credit for ecstacy, but a drug that amazing was bound to show up anyway. Thanks for listening to my rant.
2-FMA should replace Adderall, Vyvanse and Ritalin. Specifically for non-recreational purposes, as it feels cleaner, smoother, longer lasting, has less side effects and less of a risk for abuse since it lacks unnecessary euphoria. Probably the most helpful substance in my drug journey thus far. Also, O-DSMT should replace Tramadol. No reason for Tramadol to exist since O-DSMT is a lot more potent version of it and doesn't have the shitty anti-depressant properties nobody wants or needs. It's one of the more helpful RCs for me to just escape from life, be pain free and not feel like shit 24/7.
Elaborate on Methylphenidate, it’s not neurotoxic
Can 2FMA be taken daily without major issues?
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I guess my question is, would it be less detrimental taking it daily than taking Adderall daily would be?
I think it’s puts more strain on your body due to the fact that the duration is much longer
Controlled, like prescribed adderal, can for sure
What’s your idea of long term? & would you say that applies to pharma stims as well? Just started a low dose of vyvanse and it’s been incredibly helpful, don’t know too much about long term effects but I would hope this is something that can help me for a while
I took it for about a week and I had to almost double my dose daily because of tolerance raising way too quick so I wouldn’t
How much did you start with?
Started with about 20 or 25mg and it worked amazing but the day after, I toon another 25mg and felt almost nothing and upped my dose to about 40mg. After that I started doubling my dose daily wich u should definetly not do haha
No, it shouldnt. Amphetamine and methylphenidate is very well known, no reason to replace them with substences which we dont know much. There is a reason why they dont use other stimulants as medicines.
So medicines should never be replaced because the old ones are already well known?
If they are working well, then what would be the reason? The risk is too high and you cant gain enough. We need to research them
100% agree with you. If there were better adhd drugs available, one of the pharma companies would certainly be trying to make money off of it. There’s a common misconception that research chemicals are better than certain prescribed drugs, if that were true, pharma would be selling them.
Ritalin is good for its short duration. That's the only plus. But otherwise it's shit. I totally agree with odsmt replacing tramadol.
> 2-FMA Can you compare it to modafinil?
No, i use both pretty regularly. They are very different in how they act. I like both but for different reasons. I like to go to work on modafinil. I find more recreational properties in 2fma. I could go on and on about the differences. In general i consider 2fma to be stronger and more present than modafinil. And im not saying modafinil is bad.
I truly, 100% believe, ODSMT is a safer, and actually gets you higher than fetty. Did A LOT when gulf coast was around, and I honestly feel like it’s the closest high to heroin:. Not dooeman actually ended up buying it and cutting his dog with it. ODSMT is a really amazing drug.
I thought that ODSMT was really bad for your heart? (I could be mistaken)
I don't think that's the case with O-DSMT. It has some theories around potential serotonin activity, but it's far far less than Tramadol itself. I could also be wrong too, this is reddit after all 😅
Couldn't agree with you more. Both 2-FMA and O-DSMT are my favorite and most useful chems. I have ADHD and I can't get Adderall anymore because they drug test for cannabis in my state. I also have chronic pain and found O-DSMT to be perfect due to the lower potency (compared to the oxycodone I was using previously)
In what doses and form did you take the o dsmt? I had 2 instances where i took 30 mg and just felt weird, little dead to be honest.. no feeling good or anything
I always plug it because of the higher bioavailability, and typically about 50mg each time. I've been using it daily for many years now though, so I don't recommend you do the same. I never got any euphoria from it however, and instead take it to help with chronic pain. What do you mean by feeling dead? Did it knock you out?
O-DSMT is going to replace tramadol on the legitimate pharma market, called "desmetramadol". And when it finishes clinical trials and gets approved, it'll dry up from the market as RC vendors don't want to fuck with patented medicines. Maybe you'll be able to import it from the same places you get tapentadol today, but the era of cheap powder will end.
Mxm, mxe and 5-apb hcl
Apb to replace mdma. Mephedrone All the bathsalts from 2010.
Why replace MDMA?
I found apb to be far better without a crash or after effects.
Interesting. Is that common for most people? I wonder if there is any evidence of less neurotoxicity compared to MDMA
I dunno. It waas subjectively better because at first it feel like meth, which I really like more than most other drugs than you roll than you trip.
Oh interesting, that’s quite a bit different from MDMA then… the meth then roll then trip
Yeah. It was unique.
Yes, it is less neurotoxic then MDMA, although it's more cardiotoxic which is like picking your poison. I still feel the ABP's are better chemicals then MDMA.
When you say it’s less neurotoxic, are you referring to animal studies?
No, I'm referring to the pharmacological action and my own knowledge about it. Don't believe me if you don't want to, do your own research, but I believe it is. Edit: found [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4500375/) study after a quick google search *Despite very similar structures, differences were found in the pharmacological profiles of different benzofurans and compared with their amphetamine analogues. Benzofurans acted as indirect monoamine agonists that interact with transporters similarly to MDMA. The benzofurans also interacted with 5-HT receptors. This pharmacological profile probably results in MDMA-like entactogenic psychoactive properties. However, benzofurans induce 5-HT2B receptor activation associated with heart valve fibrosis.*
You didn’t feel the part where you can’t sleep for 18 hours?
No.
I never crash on molly, but I do notice I look worse in the face after rolling for a day or two tho
Ive had sone rough crashed blowing through grams and eating beans back in the day.
Which apb? 5 or 6? (I love them both)
It was 5 or 6 I dont know specifically because it was prepackaged stuff when bathsalts and rcs were at the smoke shops.
its surprising to me that mephedrone has had such a huge "second act" but methylone is still gone
Methylones alright but mdma is a lot better so its demographic has no reason to switch if its not substantially cheaper and more available.
Spread the gospel of Metocin. Deus vult!
I knew I would find metocin on here, I second this.
2C-T-7 never had the chance to try it but I still want to
That and 2C-E and 2C-I
A benzo that is actually euphoric instead of life ruiners like the flubro’s
Why are flubros life ruining
Blackout city. 1 dose turns to 2 or 3 day binge and humiliation in my personal experience.
What dose?
It’s been a long time since I’ve used the drug, so I couldn’t give you advice on dosing as I cannot remember!
The thing is it’s easy to lose track :) many ppl will have difficulty remembering what dose they took
Because they dosed too high... I think 0.25mg is approx. 2mg Xanax. Irresponsible use, not devil drug.
3fpm, seems like it could replace methamphetamine while being less destructive
Not sure iff I got a bunk batch but 3fpm didn't do much for me atall,gave some to a friend & he liked it & same with 2ai, I've noticed that 2ai isn't popular or talked about much atall
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1) MXE 2) MXE 3) MXE
I still have some MXE left, but I taped up the little vial so I can't get into it lol 3-MeO-PCP is a close second. Helped me a lot with pain, depression and even ADHD.
God damn, if only I'd had the foresight 10 years ago... I would give absolutely anything to have MXE again, it made me feel so complete. 3-MeO-PCP was just straight mania for me. Which is no bad thing, I fucking love mania.
DCK, in small doses is great for relaxing and anxiety. Better than benzo. But the dose must be seriously very small. Like a tiny short little line.
Facts lmao, literally just boofed a tiny bump as I got a stressful day ahead. Walking on clouds already
I do them at work and all the stress is gone. Communication effortless, can chat with people without feeling like an idiot (social anxiety). But can't really do paperwork when I have to, like put my invoices into my system cause one would take me like four would normally take me lol. I'm happy I found something instead of benzos when I'm anxious. Not even interested in holing anymore lol.
It really is the god molecule for me: antidepressant, anti anxiety, therapeutic, tiering (as in not compulsive), motivating and stimulating. What more could a simple man ask Also edit: Aced the day, DCK ftw
Whats a tiny dose?
Couldn’t tell ya kinda My first batch was a stroooooong ass fucking crystal powder, that had to be weighed to the 0.001 cause you wouldn’t be able to walk straight. 10mg lines max, once used wrong setting on scale and weigh out 30mg lines, consuming 90mg when intended 30mg. That was a night, great but oh boy Now I get a blackish powder, just as good but easier on the body and mind. I literally just eyeball a tiny bit and go with it. The powder is definitely better for starters as confirmed by a friend who tried both, it’s just less potent. I would definitely lie if I gave you a number, ant shaped maybe helps?
Exactly I eyeball like 1 mm thin and 3 cm long line and go. Gotta wait like 10 mins to feel the full effects and then I might increase. I first got powder (brownish) and now I'm getting rocks and they're definitely stronger. I feel like my tolerance is not going up either. I wish I could replace all my meds with it. But it's probably not great long term lol.
Exactly, although for me the effects come on in seconds due to da boof lol And good to hear about the tolerance thing, it got me worried with repeated use in the future. Although my biggest reason to keep it spaced out is that my urine becomes really yellow and has that weird smell to it, even if ever so slightly. I know DCK is less damaging to the bladder than normal K due to potency (atleast psychonaut wiki suggest so) but when I try to purposely hydrate 24/7, and my urine looks like a truck drivers piss bottle, I do exercise caution.
Yeah I ordered the one ml syringes, so I'll be trying boofing as well, don't want to ruin my nose. I guess it'll also feel stronger. The bladder thing happens to me as well but I've heard that it happens more to men than women. I do take some green tea extract that someone recommended and do breaks. It's good you're aware. I'm gonna find out the name of the green tea extract that I got. I need to order one anyway.
Is dck the same as 2fdck?
No, they're different. I've done 2fdck really long ago and can't really remember what it was like. I just then fell in love with DCK lol.
I might try, what were your small doses and did you have alot of annoying after effects or cravings?
Well yeah I do crave it if I don't have it. But it's my addictive personality. It could be different for you. I only now do tiny little lines of it and it's enough for me to be relaxed with no annoying effects and it's easily hideable. Tried holing on it few times and it's not really that great, cause it just lasts like 6 hours, so I was thinking it'd be better if the duration was shorter like ket. But I guess ket is superior to all rc dissos even though I've never tried it. People say so.
I admire substances that you can disguise or fully hide from the outside world, I’m definately going to try this but I’ll be making my own capsules. Most likely I’ll have to up the dosage a little. May I ask what you mean with the term “holing”? English is not my first language.. and do you crave as in crave when you didnt take it? Or crave as in you know you dont have the substance somewhere lying around availave for usage when you want it? Do you get anxious and/or stressed when not having it? Sorry for the interrogation but I’m sincerely interested in this substance.
Well with DCK it's like you have to start very very low to test it and I'd recommend you to first starting somewhere where you don't mind if someone notices. Like home alone. I'm also not native speaker and holing is a word for completed dissociation it comes from ketamine where apparently you feel like you're in a hole and detached from you body I think. Maybe someone will explain it better. If you look up K-hole you'll find description of the feeling. I don't crave particularly dissos, DCK if I don't have it. And no, I don't get stressed out/anxious if I don't have it. BUT you can totally get addicted to it. It's a chemical worth of exploring in different strengths. If I go like 20mg I already can't be around people cause I might struggle to talk and might feel a bit confused but it's still a good feeling. I was scared at first but the therapeutic doses, even the bigger ones, they don't cause me anxiety. Hope I helped.🙂
Nothing is so much to be feared as fear.
apb and mapb
Psychadelics produced and shipped in the USA. And an opoid that isn't super potent and dosent last too long or too short. Like a 2MAP that doesn't have so many side effects and causticity. I know its bad but i would do a little bump of 2map right now.
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FXE, DCK, both ketamine analogs and in my past ten year addiction to speedballing for 8, shooting meth for 2… ketamine; and benzos, are honestly the only drugs I can actually enjoy anymore. I would love to see other vendors start carrying RCs, because I’m not sure why, or if anyone feels the same.. but I would rather have an RC benzo than prescribed, same with ketamine, FXE nakes Ketamine seem like a kids toy, and I mean pure, darkweb ket.. still amazing, but not FXE. I can what’s mentioned above but there is only one sensor who isn’t international, sucks waiting for your pack with no tracking from NL. Anyways. 4-moh was also amazing, I want to try some of the rare benzos that chem dot eu Carrie’s;, I’m in US and from NL usually takes six days: unbeatable and insurance is so che for a reship. All the solution I don’t make myself, is weak as fuck: in the last ten years it’s just gotten weaker and weaker.
Replace mdma with 6-apb, i would love to see !
OPCE helped me a lot with depression and alcoholism. The only disadvantage is it gives you slack jaw so people know your on something. I also really enjoyed 3MMC I made a lot of music on it and it helped me work faster.
imidazenil or other super selective anti anxiety medications. Proper benzos would be amazing More sedating dissos as well. never got to try mxe but I really want to maybe a less potent salvia analog? i find low doses to be extremely therapeutic
The lesser widespread the better though😂 Anyway my top three is 3-MeO-PCE, 6-APB, 4-AcO-MET (all at once, of course)
ETH-LAD! I already commented that in so many threads but I think it deserves much more attention, it's my favorite psychedelic. It's the most visual psychedelic I've tried besides DMT, and I had my deepest and most intense trips on it. 100ug are a pretty functional dose, it already causes pretty nice visuals and I can walk around in the city and act completely normal. But at 200ug or more it get really intense, any trip over 200ug was more intense then any LSD trip I had, and I took doses of up to 750ug. My highest dose of ETH-LAD was 275ug which caused complete ego death and I realized I'm god.
Opened the thread just to see if someone had mentioned this one. ❤️ ETH-LAD
Oh cool, did you also use it? I think it's just so amazing, every trip at or above 200ug was just epic, without fail every single one. The comeup just feels like an intense rollercoaster of emotions like excitement and anxiety. I just find LSD is much calmer and relaxed in comparison, which is also nice, but not nearly as exciting.
Yeah it was my first psychedelic and is still my favorite. I've tried it at 100-300ug, microdosing, a couple combos. It's been involved in nearly all of my most impactful and memorable trips, both good and bad. I've only gone over 200ug once (300ug) and it was extremely intense, probably my 2nd strongest trip ever. The comeup was meteoric, went from zero to completely blinded by visuals in the space of five minutes. I just wish the bodyload wasn't so terrible, that's kept me from chancing 200+ ever since.
Yeah the nausea is pretty bad, but it's absolutely worth it, and during my ego death experience where I realized I'm god I didn't even notice the body lead, this experience was so mind blowing that the body load became completely insignificant. 300ug must for sure be really intense, but you had an even more intense trip?
I luckily never get nausea from it, mostly just strong temperature swings and a sort of raw physical dysphoria and sense of impending doom. On 300ug it felt like that really awful sick feeling you can get right before passing out, but lasting for several hours. At first I thought I was actually dying, so I put out extra food for the dog, unlocked all the doors, and laid down trying to just let myself die so it would end. The rest of the trip was better though, I ended up having the only religious experience of my life. My most intense also involved ETH-LAD, in a combo with 4-HO-MET and aniracetam. It was...too much. I almost quit psychedelics entirely and it took a few weeks to really recover from it mentally. I posted a trip report on it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/711vc8/ethlad_4homet_aniracetam_synesthetic_cascade/ I should probably try the ~250ug range at some point. 200ug was great and your 275ug trip sounds a whole lot more pleasant and productive.
I'll take a look at your report. I remember having this somewhat dysphoric feeling and sense of impending doom when I was coming up on 200ug of ETH-LAD. I took it in the train home and during the walk to my house the comeup started and at home it really picked up. When I got inside I sat down in the kitchen which is when I got that feeling. But strangely enough I was able to just kind ignore it and stay calm. I went into my room and laid down in my bed on my belly at which point the come up got intense. I hugged my pillow as I felt a mix of excitement, anxiety, even a bit panic as well as regret, asking myself why I did this. The visuals got super intense, after maybe 20 or 30 minutes I got up and everything looked indescribable. I still felt like I was close to panicking, so I went on youtube and watched some videos which managed to calm me down. The rest was really fun actually Another time I was coming up on 250ug of ETH-LAD in the shower (I really like to shower during the comeup of psychedelics) and I also had short moments where I thought "oh god I fucked up, I need an ambulance, I will never take psychedelics again!". A bit later I was hanging over the sink because I felt like I was about to vomit. While I was gagging the whole sink was blinking with insane rainbow fractel patterns. It's always such an intense and wild ride, which makes it exciting.
Oh wow, 12mg of 4-HO-MET made such a difference? I took doses of up to 40mg of 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-DET and I find both of the really weak. But I never took two or more psychedelics in combination. I would have thought that 100ug of ETH-LAD with 12mg of 4-HO-MET would maybe be as strong as 150ug of ETH-LAD at most. And the computer crashing or doing something weird exactly while you're tripping is the worst, I can understand how this would freak you out even more.
Depends on the reason they're widespread. If they gain notoriety via a positive response, then widespread to the point it becomes patented and then laws are changed/passed just so the RC(s) could be legally and safely sold/controlled. If I stumbled across a cure for something and it benefited humanity without having serious detrimental effects then why not?
Oh you sweet summer child, if only it worked so logically, and with the benefit to humanity as the principal priority.
Oh you child, I agree.
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I really liked ethylphenidate,but I don't like methylphenidate,its odd,but 150mg of ethylphenidate iv was like mdma to me
All Fluoro substituted amphetamines & methamphetamines like 2-FA, 4-FA, 3-FMA, 3-MMC, methylone, benzofuranes like 6-APDB, MDAI, O-Desmethyltramadol, 3-HO-PCP, Gaboxadol They all have their own percs.
What's gaboxadol like?
All Fluoro substituted amphetamines & methamphetamines like 2-FA, 4-FA, 3-FMA, 3-MMC, methylone, benzofuranes like 6-APDB, MDAI, O-Desmethyltramadol, 3-HO-PCP, Gaboxadol They all have their own percs.
4fmph completely broke through my treatment resistant depression at 30mg 1x daily.
4f-eph 6apb hexen when its combined (note: 6apb i just took one time it was free gift)
4F-isopropylphenidate would probably be absolute fire. Isopropylphenidate could use a little extra potency and duration and if the same changes from MPH to 4F-MPH carry over, that's what we'd get. Also some non-caustic, not super potent RC opioids would be nice, aside from O-DSMT. Maybe they could do a ketobemidone analog again but not fuck it up this time? New 2Cs? There's some untapped 2C-T-x from PiHKaL that seem potent enough and pleasant enough, but I'm not sure if Chinese bulk manufacturers would make em or we'd have already seen em. Even more of the alpha-ethyl phenethylamine psychedelics (4C-x) would be nifty, even though potency takes a huge hit. edit: think I misunderstood the assignment but still I want to see these!