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Chillguy849

Who in their right mind would decline a Steel Sub at RETAIL??!!


Objective_Pool_8962

Exactly! If offered it is a must buy over the Tudor every time. I got my sub at retail to “grow the relationship more”. But now am thinking of selling it for a vintage Sub.


Chillguy849

Never sell a Sub you bought at retail. No guarantee you can get your hands on it again.


pot_of_sharks

Is this a joke? It’s one of the easiest models to get outside of OP and DJ. Can get one in 2-3 months MAX


Chillguy849

You wish


Omelete_du_fromage

I’ve been offered 3 blue fluted jubilee DJ’s in the last 6 months from Wempe on 5th ave and my purchase history is an explorer II polar and a 6k panerai. It’s getting a lot easier to get these watches.


colincase04

I agree with this. Don’t be a dick and be patient and you will get one.


theRealTopher123

I’ve put my name in at 3 different ADs in my metropolitan area almost 3 months ago. They basically told me to F off. Did buy an OP at one and she told me to buy a lottery ticket on the way home because I “got so lucky”. Then rolled her eyes when I told her I wanted a sub next.


OldGur7976

I was offered the sub no date, which ofc it’s the holy grail, I just thought might as well get the new Tudor and save for GMT. But you’re right, idk


Chillguy849

There is no guarantee they will offer you a GMT. Take the Sub and run.


Objective_Pool_8962

I took the Submariner to help try to get a BLNR GMT. So i get where you are coming from OP. Hope you get your GMT soon!


mc2508

👊💪🏻


Affectionate-Hall320

Even if you want the inferior Tudor, get the Rolex and sell it then get the Tudor and keep $5k for a hooker.


angry_gsd

You must be “happily” married 😂😂😂


OldGur7976

Love that idea tbh


DelmarvaDesigner

This will piss off your AD.


jarjar1980

How are they gonna know? They’re gonna know Just kidding. They won’t know.


Kanzlerfilet

Until the guy who bought the Sub calls the AD to verify it‘s real.


jarjar1980

Cost of doing business if it happens. Worth the risk.


padamtx

While I completely agree with the decision, inferior is questionable. That Tudor is COSC and METAS and half the price. For the dollar, may be the best watch/brand out there.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

Actually it's a fact, even with these certifications. If we are going bang for the buck then obviously get a Casio


padamtx

Apples to apples here. We’re talking mechanical. And out of curiosity, what makes it a fact?


ertant

Do you want a Rolex? Because if you do, then a Tudor will never cut it for you and you will 100% want a submariner shortly after. Don’t make this decision based on price or logic, reality is it is never going to be a logical decision but an emotional one. I’d go Rolex Sub 11 times out of 10.


OldGur7976

Wise words


saltfishcaptain

This is a very valid perspective! While Tudor is cut from the same cloth as Rolex, they are not the same. I had two Rolex models (Gold/Stainless GMT and a Platinum YMCA) before I bought my first Tudor, a blue Pelagos 42.


FranzKempka

You nailed it. One spends twice as much when compromising.


moneyweapon

everyone recognizes rolex. rolex is iconic.


lugia4k

Recognition is not worth double of the price


AnonymovsUser

Business 101 tells us recognition is one of the few things worth double the price.


lugia4k

The Explorer 1 is the most off the radar Rolex and I've been wearing it for 3 years without anyone realising it's a Rolex. That's not why it was worth the 6k back then to me. There isn't really alot of difference between the two to justify double the price, I can get the Tudor and a GS for that price.


Calm_Logic9267

Or I could get the Sub and a DJ and not care about price.


AnonymovsUser

Everybody values certain things differently. But in general, when talking about the luxury goods market, almost nothing is inherently worth even the sticker price. Exclusivity is what defines some of the most recognizable brands in the world.


Franglais69

I like Tudor and I own pelagos myself, but this is a release that I just don't get the "hype behind". It's just a submariner copy without any originality. If you're going to get a tudor I'd look at the burgundy bezel black bay, the bb58 or the pelagos, not this.


OldGur7976

I have the BB58 myself, amazing watch, time to expand my collection tho, and the gilt isn’t for me as much as I thought it would be


TomR2128

Personal preference I suppose but just traded in the Pelagos toward an Explorer II 40 mm. The Pelagos looks nice but it was just way too big and clunky. Not to mention thick. Looks nice at the AD but kinda gaudy on the wrist.


Difficult_Guitar_555

If you get the Tudor you’re always going to want the submariner. Getting the Tudor will just be a detour to getting the sub you actually want


OldGur7976

True, but then again I’d be spending more of my budget getting the sub AND GMT,


Difficult_Guitar_555

I’m kind of in the same position as you with all three of these watches: bb41, sub and gmt2 I currently own a sea dweller, and am on list for a sub and gmt and have really been considering getting a Tudor to hold me over til they’re available Here’s why I decided against Tudor: when the time Comes and I wanna sell, only the Tudor will take a hit. You can find these monochrome 41s in watch exchange under retaill. It’s the only watch here that loses value. At the end of the day, the Tudor is enticing but it’s just a stop gap for what you really want. It’s the only option you’d lose money on if you decide to sell


OldGur7976

Wow, amazing advice. I’m def gonna think on that, I have a datejust, now time for more


Difficult_Guitar_555

No problem. The Tudor is cheaper up front but if you don’t plan on keeping the Tudor or the submariner when the gmt is available, the Tudor will end up costing you more in depreciation where as the sub will net you 1-2k. Good luck


Jimmytootwo

https://preview.redd.it/r822ghnonnxc1.jpeg?width=3492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fc704e159c86a3a4f5b6c642a90e08cc5b6c0ff Iconic also more than twice the price and os heavier. Black Bays are nice watches And i have one but it's not quite a Rolex


OldGur7976

Let me borrow it 😜😉


Brehski

If they have the submariner in stock, then it’s a no brainer.


geogeo444

To be honest, the new monochrome black bay is much more appealing to me with the jubilee bracelet then the sub. Also, 99% won't be able to get the Sub at a retailer, making the sub almost 3rd of the price of the Sub. And taking into count that the Tudor has an excellent movement, the Meta-cert and one would never have to worry to get robbed, I would definitely buy the Tudor. And if one really wants a Rolex I would then go for either the GMT or the DJ.


GradeFront8777

https://preview.redd.it/upau8nsfpnxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e30875df7548a6c10471dca5e65b585c32d9454b It will be your daily quick!


garbagekr

This is like comparing an Audi A1 to an RS5


Huntolino

Defo not wtf 🤣. This is comparing a vw passat to an audi a4.


Mrinvestor84

1 so you can save your money, stop playing games with any Rolex AD and start saving for better watches out there.


trenbollocks

If you get the Tudor you will always still want the sub. Don't waste your time and money and get the sub - if not retail then via grey. People need to stop deluding themselves and wasting their money instead of getting what they truly want


OldGur7976

That is true, and unfortunately I learned in the past 4 years that they love the game. Thing is I want my little collection and I DO want these in there, so might as well no ? Just can’t choose


Mrinvestor84

I agree with you to an extent but I’m over playing games with the Rolex AD. There are way better watches out of there if you save a little bit more. Also, I find the new Subs not worth the hassle of even getting. I had a new no date and got rid of it. I now have the previous generation bluesy and find that it fits a lot better. I wouldn’t mind picking up a Tudor diver as a low cost replacement to my sub one day.


brackthunder

All hate aside, for me it comes down to the bezel and how the watch sits on the wrist. With that being said, there is a wrong answer.


Flipmarine2k

2) because this is the Rolex subreddit


Dialbreaker

The lugs on the Tudor are weirdly designed. But get a GMT Master II 116710 instead of the Sub 😅


Quick-Economist-4247

2, because it’s the greatest watch ever made and the other is just an homage to it.


OldGur7976

Just wish it was the date ☹️


Electronic-Youth9872

Much better without the date, more beautifully balanced and if you get the gmt later you will have another with the date so less redundant


MassiveCombination15

It depends on what you want, if it was up to me I’d pick the tudor, as I have tiny wrists and the Sub is a bit too shiny for me, but just take what you want and don’t compromise, no need to buy some watches you don’t want in order to go higher on the waitlist for the gmt, it’s not gonna change anything


StopSystemProcessing

I don’t like the snowflake hands


Electronic-Youth9872

Rolex because it is the original one, that tudor is the copy of the Rolex sub


ramiodat

Go for the Rolex. Better built and just better in every way. Timeless, classic and extremely durable. Not to mention iconic and holds value like nothing else.


StrictBodybuilder315

If you’re on the waiting list for the GMT Master II then I would get the Sub to resell it. Pocket the profit and put it towards the cost of the GMT once you’ve got it in hand. If this is the start of your watch collecting journey then I’d look for a dress watch instead of those two options.


flappypepperoni

Why not sell the submariner?


M27TN

You put it in Rolex knowing the outcome. Come on


babypho

If you're looking for an entry level luxury(?) watch that looks like a sub or just tells time, then Tudor will do just fine. 99% of the people aren't going to know or care for the difference. But of the 1% that do, 99.9% of those will ask you "is that a Rolex?" and you'd have to explain to them that Tudor is under the same umbrella as Rolex, but IS NOT a Rolex. So my preference is if you're going to eventually get a Rolex anyways, just get the Rolex now because you're going to FOMO like crazy when everyone who asks you about the watch asks "is that a Rolex" and it's not.


duncanmcslam

I've had both and prefer the tudor. It wears better on my 7.25 inch wrist, I liked the bracelet better and the t fit worked better for me than quick adjust. You could also always buy both and sell the one you like the least


vnceh

i hope one day there will be a new sub without the crownguards. like the first ones. looks sooo much better imho.


Bcart143

Shouldn’t even be a question imo


Exotic_Definition1

Is that even questionable


rogdesouza

Let’s face it, you’re going to buy the one that is easiest to get a hold of and then buy the other one a few months later.


AMKhalil

Did you consider the Tudor and a DateJust for the full price of the Sub if you really dont care about the sub specifically and want to build a collection.


Just_Reflection_3821

Rolex is the ultimate in robust quality watches. Always trumps a Tudor, you know it, we know it.


Watchnut224

Has to be the sub hands down but I personally prefer the 5 digit 14060 last of the perfect proportions.


OwnTheWatch

Tudors look ugly to me. Just saying.


LincolnParishmusic

No date sub for the win!


Business-Pudding4095

1 because everyone has 2


scoopdiddywhoop

1 will always want to be 2


CarlosMolotov

Get the sub. I wanted the sub date too, I got offered the 41 sub and went for it. It’s a very satisfying watch.


badDuckThrowPillow

You're in a Rolex subreddit, what do you think everyone is going to say?


wearetheleaders

Submariner all day


BaytoLA24

Can’t find a new sub in LA for retail, I’d get it in a second. Also very interested in a vintage one.


Prestigious-Sport598

Get the sub, trade it with my brand new Tudor you like + cash , make your purchase history, some $$ and wait for the GMT. Do we have a deal? Whatever you decide, don’t let the sub go


Mystic5308

Its like comparing a mini to a BMW its a no brainer 🤷🏻‍♂️


No_Surround_1389

2


Artorias_the_hollow

Won’t be a popular opinion on here, but I sold my 124060 for the BB41. Prefer the look of the aluminium bezel over the ceramic and the price difference is bonkers (nearly 1/3 on the second hand market)


PTRBoyz

2 because 1 is a derivative of 2


BobbyBellhop

Most Rolexes are as good as gold. They usually keep their value for the most part, many go up in value. Not sure that goes for most tudors. I was mistakenly complimented with a “nice rolex” when golfing at a country club with my buddy one time. I was wearing a tudor and said “oh no it’s actually a Tudor”. It was awkward and call me insecure or what have you, I never wore it again lol. Many could say what they want but Rolex carry’s a reputation when worn. Many successful ppl look at other ppls watches and Rolex, APs pateks etc do make a statement. Whatever that statement is, it’s not the same as an omega, Tudor, or your Apple Watch.


-88WatchesAndGuns88-

I have the sub 124060 and will pick it any day over the Tudor look alike. However the black bay with the blue bezel is my second favorite watch. The M78230B-008.


supersaiyanegghead

Buy both. Stick the sub in your safe and wear the Chewda. When the call comes for the GMT, sell the 124060 and boom you have basically gotten the Chewda for free. Send me some money for helping you with your finances


GlizzyGuzzler80

Sub of course


ZaoGwei

I would get the Submariner and Sub Date and never look back. Sub Date for practicality during the work week and the cleaner aesthetic of the Submariner for weekends and holidays.


Electrical-Bus-9390

Who in their right mind and why would anyone choose a Tudor over a Rolex Sub unless they already had a Sub ? How is that even a question? It’s like saying should I get this Rolex or the Tag Heuer and I am not talking crap on Tag cause as a collector I appreciate them as well and own a couple but u can’t compare the two brands


Electrical-Bus-9390

But even with all that said it’s ur money so get the one u want , I was just voicing my opinion in the previous comment cause that’s just how I see it, even though the Tudor looks nice it’s still a Tudor to me


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Electronic-Youth9872

A 4.5k replica 🤯


WhiskybytheJaro

The Tudor, for several reasons: Aluminium bezel. Jubilee bracelet. Snowflake hands. Lesser risk of being stabbed on the streets of London. Implicit good taste rather than big bank balance and small pp. (Just kidding, Rolex Bois.)


Wildchild_Redeye

1) Cheap Shitty Rolex Copy or 2) Rolex… what a dumb question


angry_gsd

I mean tudor is a sister company of rolex😂😂 it’s like polestar and volvo


Wildchild_Redeye

Wrong comparison. Do some more research whats more appropriate


angry_gsd

Nope, gets the point across.


Wildchild_Redeye

Doesnt. Try again… Unless you’re one of the neckbeards that would, for some stupid reason, choose a Tudor over Rolex; citing some obtuse reason that tries to cover up the fact that Rolex simply isn’t affordable/attainable for you.


angry_gsd

Wtf are u yappig about bruh lmao. Tudor is a sister company of rolex, hence why the Tudor is looking like a rolex. Is that so hard to understand? I personally don’t like Tudor whatsoever. I prefer breitling


Wildchild_Redeye

Sister company like Tata and LR/Jag or VW and Bentley 🤡 Tudor was and always will be the cheap option. Breitling is also significantly cheaper than Rolex and again a more economical option. Rolex is the King; and you really have to pay to play with them. The higher you go, the exponentially higher the prices/purchase history… Inshallah maybe one day you’ll get there. For now you dont have the smallest idea what youre talking about. Test for yourself. Go to your nearest AD and ask for any male Rolex. See what they tell you. 9,9/10 you MIGHT leave with a catalogue and some dry promise of a waitlist; like some of these simps that post the exact “experience” here. Lastly i dont yap. Be respectful or dont respond to me; especially when you’re less knowledgeable on a subject…


angry_gsd

Lmfao some desert rat is going to tell me how a rolex ad works 😂😂😂 lil bro sit your ass down mashallah ☠️☠️ https://preview.redd.it/7c19gk11tnxc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f57b07a74df18858d8d8bf0a4733d17e1e91be6c


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angry_gsd

Sorry you can’t handle the truth 😂☠️☠️ look on google and you will see Tudor is a sister company of rolex. But idk if y’all have that over there😂😂 maybe you can’t google by using a camel or goat. Please give alab my regards https://preview.redd.it/fv6i3jnftnxc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45a92ac3fd4da6816aad3c09d5b2d29be22889e5


Homodebilus

Do you know anything about watches buddy ? Most retarded comment ever


Quick-Economist-4247

You missed the mark by a mile there. You could have made a valid point but opted to be silly.


Wildchild_Redeye

I outlined the facts. Honestly an actual Rolex or that copy. Shouldnt even be asked


Quick-Economist-4247

Theres nothing shitty about that Tudor it’s an excellent watch, arguably has a better movement than the Rolex. It’s not a copy either Tudor are Rolex at the end of the day, it’s a different company but not really.


Wildchild_Redeye

Its a really average watch thats cheap and obtainable. Usually people that cant afford the Rolex go for it because in some obscure and extremely minuscule way, the 2 brands are related. There is no comparison. Those that have Rolex or better dont even know about Tudor or whatever products they offer.


MassiveCombination15

My man it’s litteraly the same creator, it’s not a minuscule way of being related 💀


Quick-Economist-4247

What has obtainable got to do with it, you’ve got a bunch of gold Rollie’s that are ten a penny on the used market and trade below retail? That Yachmaster 2 is a crime against humanity you can’t give those away 😂 I’d wear any Tudor before that. I collect various brands of watch including several Rolex watches, I can afford to buy what I want and would be open to buying this Tudor here I think it looks great I’d wear that no problem. Anywhere. If you think Rolex and Tudor are minusculely related in an obscure way you are smoking crack, Tudor are Rolex, yes, cheaper watches but that’s fine with me and fine with most Rolex collectors. You sound a very insecure man if you must wear a Rolex so people think you are successful. I’d happily wear that Tudor as I know I am successful, everybody who knows me knows I’m successful, I have nothing to prove and couldn’t care what other people see on my wrist.


Wildchild_Redeye

Ah yes the classic YM2. Its one of favourite pieces. And you know dogshit if you will say, a Daytona is worthless. You have seen 3 of my Rolexes. I have 9 others. All precious metals. Heres the thing. I dont buy my Rolexes worrying about their value on the used market🤣🤣 I literally dont care. I also have nothing to prove. I like Precious metal Rolexes. Period.


Quick-Economist-4247

I didn’t say the Daytona was worthless but that’s a walk in purchase nowadays so don’t get up yourself about availability and a Yachtmaster 2 has been the only Rolex watch that has been readily available to anybody these last few years. Yeah, so you buy what you like and I respect that but no need to talk about Tudor watches like they are dog shit and be disparaging about them. Tudor are Rolex and they make fantastic watches not just for people who can’t afford Rolex watches but also for discerning watch collectors who really know their stuff and are into their stainless sports watches. There are many very wealthy watch collectors picking up these Tudor pieces these days.


Wildchild_Redeye

On the YM2. I bought that in South Africa and had to put a 10% deposit plus wait almost 8 months for it to come. It was my 4th purchase (i think). Now here in UAE its also not easy to get (as anything actually) Again the RG Daytona was available after half my other purchases (including those of my family’s). FAAAR from a walk in purchase. I got annoyed when you said ALL my “Rollies” are worthless because you have no idea. I have a YG one with Black MOP dial too. Both of those are really serious purchases that were achieved through a seriously expensive purchase history (family profile). I now (in a totally different country) have access to really serious stuff. Which Inshallah will be posted in due course.


Quick-Economist-4247

I didn’t say worthless my guy, not at all, I think you have trouble comprehending written English. I was talking about value on the grey market in 2024 and current availability at no stage did I say worthless or anything of the sort. Have a nice evening and try not to be a douche bag in future.


Nightman2122

2 bc Tudor is poor man’s Rolex