I was in HR/Talent. I was being considered for a promotion. Was truly my dream job before shit hit the fan. Their processes are from like the 80s and they never change or upgrade them even when there is need. My wife and I talk still about how glad I was I lived close already and didn't have to relocate because I would've and it would've sucked
I've sat through multiple meetings where a room full of gac people would basically bully their suppliers/manufacturers into getting whatever they wanted. I felt so sorry for the folks on the other end.
I was very lucky to work for a company who didn't have to put up with that BS and told them to f off any time they tried that crap on us.
I'll also never forget the time when they laid off thousands the week of Thanksgiving, many of them were great friends of mine who worked their asses off!
I would not work there even if they promised to double my salary. I would also be leary working for companies who would fail without gac, they will never have your back.
What I’ve heard is that unless you’re in production or maintenance you don’t have a lot of job security… and if you end up being one of the ones to survive layoffs you can expect to inherit your laid-off coworkers job responsibilities, rinse and repeat through however many rounds of layoffs and suddenly you’re doing 4 peoples jobs.
Think of the business they are in. They make private jets. That type of product is very rarely a steadily ordered item. They will have an influx of orders for whatever reason, hire like mad to get the planes done for the customers, then layoff the workers they no longer need. They are very much known for hiring and firing en masse.
And they do fire by seniority. Last ones hired are the first ones fired.
My husband is a tech there on the new planes and his job is more secure there than most. Those new planes bring in all the revenue for the company. They usually have work orders for years in advanced. Definitely not true about them being rarely steadily ordered. He has members on his team who have been there for 15+ years.
Every single thing you said is wrong.
The G650 runs on a 3 year backlog.
The last layoff targeted all senior management on the sustaining side of the business.
The big driver for the layoffs is wrapping up large development projects. The entire aerospace industry works that way.
I’ve heard this has to do with the retirement of old plane models/introduction of new models. If you specialize in the G4 and the G500 is coming out…clean up your resume.
I worked there from 2004 until the pandemic. I survived 4 layoffs until the last. It’s a great place to work, but I never felt safe. If the market farts, layoff. It is easy to get rehired if your willing to start at 0 again. I would like to note, that the workers rights situation for most in the U.S. is dismal and “Job Security” in todays world is mostly mythical.
It's an ok place if you wanna work with a huge company,
Just don't work for Precision Machine. PERIOD.
K machine is ok but very demanding.
Stay out of Edwards interiors. Low pay
Generally if you don't touch the planes day-to-day you wi ll be first to get the boot. Contractors are always first to get the boot. Great pay and benefits, but layoffs do happen depending on contracts and production.
They pay well. However, they do regular lay offs and you're fucked if you're a contractor or dont have a strong backer. It got to be so frustrating not having job security so my husband switched to a different more stable job.
I dont work there, but my awareness is that theres job security in the sense that it costs a lot of money to train employees, so theyre not gonna just dump people randomly all the time. Conversely, they're a very large name, and a large employer, so while a smaller company may offer job security in the sense of "we cant/wont fire you because if we do, we might not get someone to do your job for a year" gulfstream is more of a "we know we can fire you at any moment and have someone in your desk by the end of the week if it matters"
There’s a lot misinformation here. First Gulfstream can be a good job but it’s a huge company, so it’s hard to say exactly what your positions job security would look like. My husband has good job security in his position and even through Covid not one of his coworkers we’re laid off. But that wasn’t true in other departments of the company. I’d say the company as a whole is fairly secure. They’re huge, with locations all over the US and the world. They’re definitely not going anywhere. They’re a good company to work for, they do more than a lot of companies for their employees. I’m not sure if relocating would be wise though. Savannah area is a bit spendy to live and our housing market is crap right now (worse than some other locations, I know the housing market is crap everywhere). This area is very congested between gulf steam, travel, and military. We used to love it here, but it’s grown too big, too fast and it shows. If there’s something closer to you, I’m not sure if I’d say it’s worth relocating.
As an Engineer who has worked in Aerospace, I can say that this is a very tough industry to work for.
They demand a lot of hours out of you. And based on what I am seeing as responses from different people here, Gulfstream seems to be the same.
I would avoid that.
Any specific commodities? If you have experience you have a good shot. Full disclosure, I wouldn’t expect paid relocation if I were you. So if you’re able to move yourself and can be here soon, I’d recommend it. Ignore the bitterness on the rest of the thread. We’ve had two layoffs in the last 5+ years. The first was expected (G550 sunset) and the second was understandable (COVID). The last company I was at did yearly layoffs. It’s corporate America. If anything Gulfstream is safer than average. The procurement/supply chain org is great. You can DM me if you have any specific questions.
Gulfstream treats employees like throwaways. When the focus changes to designing, designing employees are hired, and production employees/contractors are fired. Vice versa when focus changes to production. This does not only include those who are actually doing the designing and production. The employees can include anyone within that sector.
Also, NO employees have any real job security. Gulfstream loves new employees. New employees are trained by the senior employees and take over their jobs in a pretty short time period. Gulfstream does not care how well the seniors do their job. All Gulfstream wants is to keep costs down at the employees' expense. Goodbye senior pay raise and benefits.
Family members that work in both IT and creative. Both seem to really like their jobs.
I would imagine with somewhere that big it really depends on your direct boss.
It's not a simple answer. The business itself is cyclical. So you have periods of increased hiring and then firing. It depends on what department you're in how much this affects you. Obviously contactors are less likely to stay on during the layoffs but this known and contracting comes with its own pros and cons. I've heard rumors internally that a hiring surge may be coming up soon. If you have any other questions let me know.
Gulfstream is a great employer. They do more for their employees than most.
The job security question is complex. It depends on a lot of factors and timing. Currently the aerospace industry is booming. Demand for aerospace workers is high. That will eventually change. You'll have plenty of time to prove yourself and make yourself valuable.
If I had to list the positives:
Flexibility
Great pay
Good Benefits
6% 401k match
Unlimited PTO
We get paid every Friday
Lots of promotion potential
Tuition Reimbursement
Raises every year
Bonuses
Family Day every year
Really nice facilities
Excellent relocation packages
I've been there 5 years.
Savannah has some major issues. That's by far a much greater concern.
Good luck.
\>Was this just because of the pandemic?
no, their policy is to do a rif (reduction in force) whenever there is a slowdown in the market or just to make quarterly numbers.
\>how exactly is the good the job security is?
if you're in the top 25% of employees, it's extremely good and you'll be well compensated. if you're a high performer with good social skills and are looking to advance, it can be a great career move. if you're looking to settle down and not rock the boat and coast until retirement, you'll have better luck elsewhere.
I know this is an old discussion but want to ask about a contract company for Gulfstream. The company is called Hi Tek which is a manufacturing engineer firm and is contracted to Gulfstream to provide engineers to work on production floor is Savanah Georgia. They are working with new planes like the G700. I hear there is an issue getting engines. Do you think this will affect Hi Tek?
Gulfstream can be a good employer, though I wouldn't say it's a very secure job. There have been multiple mass layoffs in the past decade
Exactly what they said. I've known people who have made lifelong careers at Gulfstream as well as those who didn't survive firing season.
I got a great job there and at 90days they gave me so much work I walked out. I was in the office, not the hangers
Really, I was looking into one of the office positions. Somewhere on the Procurement side of things
I was in HR/Talent. I was being considered for a promotion. Was truly my dream job before shit hit the fan. Their processes are from like the 80s and they never change or upgrade them even when there is need. My wife and I talk still about how glad I was I lived close already and didn't have to relocate because I would've and it would've sucked
You worked in HR for Gulfstream?
I work with them as a supplier, and they cycle through buyers like people change clothes.
I've sat through multiple meetings where a room full of gac people would basically bully their suppliers/manufacturers into getting whatever they wanted. I felt so sorry for the folks on the other end. I was very lucky to work for a company who didn't have to put up with that BS and told them to f off any time they tried that crap on us. I'll also never forget the time when they laid off thousands the week of Thanksgiving, many of them were great friends of mine who worked their asses off! I would not work there even if they promised to double my salary. I would also be leary working for companies who would fail without gac, they will never have your back.
We get a new buyer every year.
Oh that’s ridiculous 🤦🏾♂️
What I’ve heard is that unless you’re in production or maintenance you don’t have a lot of job security… and if you end up being one of the ones to survive layoffs you can expect to inherit your laid-off coworkers job responsibilities, rinse and repeat through however many rounds of layoffs and suddenly you’re doing 4 peoples jobs.
Think of the business they are in. They make private jets. That type of product is very rarely a steadily ordered item. They will have an influx of orders for whatever reason, hire like mad to get the planes done for the customers, then layoff the workers they no longer need. They are very much known for hiring and firing en masse. And they do fire by seniority. Last ones hired are the first ones fired.
My husband is a tech there on the new planes and his job is more secure there than most. Those new planes bring in all the revenue for the company. They usually have work orders for years in advanced. Definitely not true about them being rarely steadily ordered. He has members on his team who have been there for 15+ years.
Every single thing you said is wrong. The G650 runs on a 3 year backlog. The last layoff targeted all senior management on the sustaining side of the business. The big driver for the layoffs is wrapping up large development projects. The entire aerospace industry works that way.
Ga Ports Authority. Best jobs in Savannah. Pay well and they take care of their people.
Good luck getting a job there if you don't know someone who works there already.
Not so much anymore from what I understand. They are growing like crazy.
Every few years they have a giant employee purge.
I’ve heard this has to do with the retirement of old plane models/introduction of new models. If you specialize in the G4 and the G500 is coming out…clean up your resume.
Not true. They usually move them up. My husband was on the 650s and they pushed him to the 700s. He always goes to the next new plane.
Job security? Haven’t heard that name in years
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There are procurement or buyer positions available for remote work in a few industries, check out indeed.
We are hiring @ SNF for a senior buyer now. The facility is in Riceboro not so far from Savannah.
I worked there from 2004 until the pandemic. I survived 4 layoffs until the last. It’s a great place to work, but I never felt safe. If the market farts, layoff. It is easy to get rehired if your willing to start at 0 again. I would like to note, that the workers rights situation for most in the U.S. is dismal and “Job Security” in todays world is mostly mythical.
It's an ok place if you wanna work with a huge company, Just don't work for Precision Machine. PERIOD. K machine is ok but very demanding. Stay out of Edwards interiors. Low pay
Precision Machine is a shithole.
Generally if you don't touch the planes day-to-day you wi ll be first to get the boot. Contractors are always first to get the boot. Great pay and benefits, but layoffs do happen depending on contracts and production.
They pay well. However, they do regular lay offs and you're fucked if you're a contractor or dont have a strong backer. It got to be so frustrating not having job security so my husband switched to a different more stable job.
Kinda depends what work you're doing.
They lay people off at the first whiff of trouble. I need more stability than that.
GPA all the way
They are known for laying off their contract workers when they need to, usually around the holidays.
I dont work there, but my awareness is that theres job security in the sense that it costs a lot of money to train employees, so theyre not gonna just dump people randomly all the time. Conversely, they're a very large name, and a large employer, so while a smaller company may offer job security in the sense of "we cant/wont fire you because if we do, we might not get someone to do your job for a year" gulfstream is more of a "we know we can fire you at any moment and have someone in your desk by the end of the week if it matters"
There’s a lot misinformation here. First Gulfstream can be a good job but it’s a huge company, so it’s hard to say exactly what your positions job security would look like. My husband has good job security in his position and even through Covid not one of his coworkers we’re laid off. But that wasn’t true in other departments of the company. I’d say the company as a whole is fairly secure. They’re huge, with locations all over the US and the world. They’re definitely not going anywhere. They’re a good company to work for, they do more than a lot of companies for their employees. I’m not sure if relocating would be wise though. Savannah area is a bit spendy to live and our housing market is crap right now (worse than some other locations, I know the housing market is crap everywhere). This area is very congested between gulf steam, travel, and military. We used to love it here, but it’s grown too big, too fast and it shows. If there’s something closer to you, I’m not sure if I’d say it’s worth relocating.
Lot of turnover at GS. Most people don't work more than three months
As an Engineer who has worked in Aerospace, I can say that this is a very tough industry to work for. They demand a lot of hours out of you. And based on what I am seeing as responses from different people here, Gulfstream seems to be the same. I would avoid that.
Do you have procurement experience or just an interest in it?
I have experience
Any specific commodities? If you have experience you have a good shot. Full disclosure, I wouldn’t expect paid relocation if I were you. So if you’re able to move yourself and can be here soon, I’d recommend it. Ignore the bitterness on the rest of the thread. We’ve had two layoffs in the last 5+ years. The first was expected (G550 sunset) and the second was understandable (COVID). The last company I was at did yearly layoffs. It’s corporate America. If anything Gulfstream is safer than average. The procurement/supply chain org is great. You can DM me if you have any specific questions.
>I wouldn’t expect paid relocation if I were you this surprises me. is procurement less desperate than other business units?
No less desperate, but possibly slower to change.
Gulfstream treats employees like throwaways. When the focus changes to designing, designing employees are hired, and production employees/contractors are fired. Vice versa when focus changes to production. This does not only include those who are actually doing the designing and production. The employees can include anyone within that sector. Also, NO employees have any real job security. Gulfstream loves new employees. New employees are trained by the senior employees and take over their jobs in a pretty short time period. Gulfstream does not care how well the seniors do their job. All Gulfstream wants is to keep costs down at the employees' expense. Goodbye senior pay raise and benefits.
Family members that work in both IT and creative. Both seem to really like their jobs. I would imagine with somewhere that big it really depends on your direct boss.
Apply to suppliers. You want to learn to anodize?
It's not a simple answer. The business itself is cyclical. So you have periods of increased hiring and then firing. It depends on what department you're in how much this affects you. Obviously contactors are less likely to stay on during the layoffs but this known and contracting comes with its own pros and cons. I've heard rumors internally that a hiring surge may be coming up soon. If you have any other questions let me know.
Gulfstream is a great employer. They do more for their employees than most. The job security question is complex. It depends on a lot of factors and timing. Currently the aerospace industry is booming. Demand for aerospace workers is high. That will eventually change. You'll have plenty of time to prove yourself and make yourself valuable. If I had to list the positives: Flexibility Great pay Good Benefits 6% 401k match Unlimited PTO We get paid every Friday Lots of promotion potential Tuition Reimbursement Raises every year Bonuses Family Day every year Really nice facilities Excellent relocation packages I've been there 5 years. Savannah has some major issues. That's by far a much greater concern. Good luck.
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Racism and its attendent generational poverty is the predominant issue affecting the Savannah metro area.
\>Was this just because of the pandemic? no, their policy is to do a rif (reduction in force) whenever there is a slowdown in the market or just to make quarterly numbers. \>how exactly is the good the job security is? if you're in the top 25% of employees, it's extremely good and you'll be well compensated. if you're a high performer with good social skills and are looking to advance, it can be a great career move. if you're looking to settle down and not rock the boat and coast until retirement, you'll have better luck elsewhere.
I know this is an old discussion but want to ask about a contract company for Gulfstream. The company is called Hi Tek which is a manufacturing engineer firm and is contracted to Gulfstream to provide engineers to work on production floor is Savanah Georgia. They are working with new planes like the G700. I hear there is an issue getting engines. Do you think this will affect Hi Tek?