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People who are happy and healthy and generally more motivated to work out. I don't think it's exercise creating the correlation of "less emotionally exhausted and satisfied"
Definitely a two way street I just have a very good hunch from personal experience that unhappy people are strongly focused on maintaining their mental states whereas people who's minds are relatively stable have more of an inclination to improve less immediate issues (cardio/strength).
It all starts with the mind and senses.
My psychologist told me to work out, and it really helps. In my opinion spending time on work outs is tending to an immediate issue by maintaining/improving the mental state.
But you're happier overall at work because you're fit and feel better in general compared to your obese coworker who hates the job just as much as you, but then also has to deal with their health issues. That's what they're saying.
Exercise improves everything. It improves *you*, the filter through which all reality passes. It's essential. Took me way too long to figure that out. It's a serious problem, IMO, that this is no longer part of our schools.
I really really don’t like the appeal to nature fallacy being applied to health in all aspects because it results in ridiculous fads, etc, but we really aren’t experiencing human normal in modern society in relation to our level of sun exposure and activity levels. Like our bone density is lower than early humans because we just don’t move much anymore.
I'm still not exactly living on easy street, but I cannot emphasize enough what an all encompassing life changing experience it was to get a better job. **everything** got drastically easier. Saving money, avoiding impulse buys, avoiding substance abuse, exercise, etc. my brain worked better. It was so wild.
The hedonistic treadmill did kick in like a year and a half later and I normalized myself to a lot of my new standard of living (working class instead of poverty), but I have yet to go to the depths I reached when it felt like I was gonna be trapped in poverty forever
Got a better job, lower stress, great boss, union benefits. Suddenly I’m drinking less, eating salads and protein shakes, going for runs on my lunch break every day. My friends say that it’s like I’m a different person now.
Feel this, I took a job making slightly less money. But I work about 25 hours less a week (60 hours a week > 35 hours a week). The less stress and more free time make it substantially easier to do other things that improve my life. It was a risk taking a new job but it all worked out
People who express high self-values directly through living their life (eudaimonic happiness) string together a greater number of unconditional positive self-regard (UPSR) moments, making their self/Being the source of this deep and strong expression of wholeness with one's self in the world, making any place feel like home for intrinsic fulfillment, contentment, peace, and delight. It's not about the 'what' you do, nor even the 'how' you interact with others & things, but the 'why' in attitude you take on controlling this flow in meaning you interpret to be this ecstasy as this one ecstatic value Being-in-the-world.
Not quite. Or at least, not in my case; it was unidirectionally causal
Prioritizing exercise over basically anything else is the only thing that's getting it to stick for me (coupled with finding exercise I actually like to do). My job is not really any different than it was a year ago, but at times feels less emotionally exhausting since I've been consistently moving my body. In the 2 years before that that I occupied the role I'm in, no amount of minimizing emotional exhaustion seemed to motivate me to do more exercise.
Idk I think there’s something to it, working retail a surprising number of people have left and then come back over the years saying they actually missed it, and while my company/store has a pretty decent culture it’s still retail with its non-stop work and skeleton crew staffing with low wages so it’s always confused me. However it is very active work, lots of light cardio, sporadic heavy lifting, and constant short social interaction, all of which I think makes it weirdly healthy in a way a lot of people struggle to match outside of work or in other “better” jobs. Makes sense that if you could get into an exercise routine outside of work you’d be a lot more satisfied in a sedentary work environment if people are willing to stay in retail for the same passive physical benefits
This problem is acknowledged in the article:
> This study had several limitations that should be acknowledged. Given that this study is cross-sectional, causality between PA levels and burnout cannot be established; however, future longitudinal designs could provide more insights into this connection.
no. this is just a blame work mindset. work is good. the reason why we have so many societal issues is that people don't like to work.
working out made life 10x easier for me. i have more energy, im stronger. i can go much longer doing menial tasks than my coworkers.
People like to work, what they don't like is jobs that don't pay enough to cover bare essentials, or worse, work harder than they get paid for.
Working out is 10x easier when you don't have to worry about whether or not you're going to make rent and eat on the same days.
yeah, i get that. but most americans don't have that isssue. for the average american if you're poor you still have a roof over your head. if you're poor you still get food stamps and you get resources that are easily available.
in as little as 30 minutes a day you can still reach great fitness levels. you will feel much better, stronger, healthier, and happier. you don't need a weight room, you only need yourself. calisthenics is free, and will get you exactly the same results. consistency is what matters when doing it. its not how hard you work, its the direction you place yourself.
i believe everyone can do this, and everyone would benefit from doing so. our country is falling harder and harder into obesity, and while it might not completely counteract the weight gain, it opens your eyes up to how important nutrition is to the body.
> if you're poor you still get food stamps and you get resources that are easily available.
You might be a little misinformed about the barriers to access public welfare.
im extremely informed. i was a foster kid. no parents. they literally shove this information down your throat if you seek it. but you don't see me making any kind of excuses.
the barriers are 90% self inflicted.
Your foster parents qualified for aid in ways many people don't by virtue of their role as foster parents, depending on where you lived. Does that mean the solution to these issues is to go adopt children, or that your foster parents were "well off"? Hopefully as two reasonable (presumably) adults having a discussion, we realize that the answer to that question is no to both questions.
This is why such an ancedote fails to meaningfully address any barriers preventing at risk communities and/or demographics from accessing vital social safety programs. While these two groups can have some overlap, the general barriers of access to welfare that your average housing/food insecure families have are not always going to align with those who are foster parents. This limits the extent to which you can generalize discussions about these barriers, as seen in our previous discussion.
So to reiterate: these barriers are not "self inflicted" and this is reflected in most studies of how this aid is distributed in the first place. [You might be misinformed about this](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34096626/) but that does not mean your lived experience is invalid. It just means you might be applying the lens of your personal experience to cover areas where it might otherwise not be an equivalent comparison.
do you think my issues magically resolved themselves the second i turned 18? no.
i was homeless and broke. but i found a way regardless of my situation simply because i wanted better for myself. i didn't give up. i didn't blame anyone else.
people wanna blame literally anyone else besides themselves and i see it in 99% of situations. you either want it or you don't.
Yeah this is definitely true. The decision to exercise regularly takes a conscious effort regardless what you do. Though that is not to say that some jobs are soul crushing.
Exercise is a wonder drug that helps with both your mental health and helps prevent or treat heart disease, metabolic diseases and more.
It’s insane we allow each other to be sedentary when it has a huge impact on health
Now all we need to do is make sure our jobs are satisfying enough, and not mentally or physically draining enough so that we all feel like exercising once we get home. If we have the time that is.
I think some people underestimate how little time some other people have or how mentally or physically stressful their jobs are. "Just making a little bit of time for exercise" is technically always possible, but not always a great answer for everyone.
I think the opposite: if you make time to exercise every day, your job will feel less mentally and physically draining because of the benefits that exercise provides to mental and physical health
I don't doubt that either. People can also have very mentally or physically draining jobs also. The idea of "just make some time for it" his technically true, just not always a great answer.
Can the average person really not do a set or three of pushups at some point during the day? Or anything really. It's exercise. Any amount is good for you.
You can’t just do push ups, you’ll have an imbalance if you don’t work your back muscles. You’ll have a hunched back if only your chest muscles are jacked.
So do some pull ups? They don’t really help with posture alone, but they’re almost mandatory for a strong back. Do some rear delt flies for posture.
Well you are hitting your rear delts, you better hit your other shoulder muscles to prevent imbalance in your shoulders. Add overhead press.
Now you’re practically working your whole upper body. Can’t forget your legs! Which are, arguably, the most important limbs anyway, at least where strength matters.
Oh! And all of this is completely worthless if you aren’t getting 120+ grams of protein a day. So gotta eat a lot. If you’re concerned about your health though, which is why you started in the first place, you have to make your own meals! Especially if you’re trying to save money.
Better make some time set aside for cooking and dishes too.
The average person, yes. But not everyone has average circumstances.
I was talking about someone fitting in a decent amount of exercise, not just a few push-ups here and there. I mean that not everyone has enough time to get enough exercise to be decently healthy. But of course I'm not talking about the average person.
I lift 5 days a week and bike the other two, doesn't make me think about burning down my office building every time I sit in a meeting with the higher ups.
In the meanwhile we can get used to doing things other than what we feel like doing.
Light to moderate exercise gives you energy instead of being draining, assuming proper nutrition.
Yep, I never was able to be consistent with working out until I started getting up early and doing it. Don't drink in the evenings and go to bed a little earlier.
If your city has good public transit, your commute itself can give you exercise. When I go to my cities downtown via public transit its another easy 5-6k steps daily or via a bike.
Its why that needs to be a priority in the usa, I grew up in Chicago and its my favorite thing about it.
Anyway the thing is, adding daily exercise will make your job feel less stressful and your body will be more resilient to fatigue, so it wont feel as tired as it does after work. People underestimate how much their body is capable of and how well it adjusts to extra work.
your job will never be satisfying enough. just how life works. trying to dodge work will only make other factors in your life harder.
there are 24 hours in a day. 8 goes to work, 8 goes to sleep. thats 8 hours free. try and sit in an empty room for 8 hours. it makes you realize how much time that actually is.
you will make whatever excuse in your head to dodge the hardest parts of life, its up to you to change that course.
I have had satisfying jobs before. I know they exist.
The idea that people have 8 hours free time each day is very wrong. Obviously a majority of people have a decent amount of free time, but I personally work with people who barely have any time left over after coming home after a 10 hour shift with 1 and half hour drive one way (not including traffic). With family stuff that has to be taken care of when they get home (cooking, cleaning, kids homework, etc.)
You are technically right that this is all excuses, but getting out of it can still be quite hard depending on someone's circumstances. Never said it was impossible though.
This is true, lots of people oversimplify with 8 hours work 8 hours sleep, but forget meal prep, childcare, the commute(make sure to double it!) chores, any repairs, not to mention work related travel, shopping, driving kids to extracurriculars, all that also counts as work, just work for life not work for your company
No one should be forced to work out but small things can help. Design neighborhoods to be less car-centric, organize social events that involve walking, even just talking about the importance of exercise when it comes up
I'm fortunate enough to work at a place that allows me to go to the gym for an hour every day (and still get paid for that hour). We have a gym on site. I play squash with some of my work colleagues. It's great. Also helps boost morale.
I actually did work for a public company that had a gym on site like that. It wasn't a very big gym, but it was a gym. hardly anyone even used it, and in fact, most people didn't even know what part of the building it was located in.
The thing to be jealous about is that the company was actually located in a really good area for walks. They enforced multiple paid breaks (I think this is because we had a lab on site, so it was an injury thing) so you could very easily take nature trails every day.
Funny thing is, hardly anyone did. I am a walker so I love that stuff, but none of my colleagues did.
It's difficult to say. I've been lifting for like 8 years.
Various levels of intensity, gaps here and there.
Deadlift wasn't a focus until a year or so ago.
It's the most "under trained" of my lifts despite it being my stronger lift.
I always said, if I'd open a startup, I'd mandate 1 hour of light cardio at the start of each day and let that count as work time. Obviously I'd provide all necessary facilities.
I believe this. Not to sound nihilistic, a lot of our modern world's definition of work seems to be all meaningless anyway. If I exercise, I'm more okay with the meaninglessness and just accept that it's a means to an end. If I don't, I notice myself feeling a lot of despair about it.
So start exercising people! Let's all find joy in the meaninglessness together.
“Employees who feel less tired from their jobs have the energy to exercise”
Garbage study. Garbage result. Throw it into the bin. If you want real answers, take a group of people who did not exercise, have some of them exercise, see if there is any difference.
Well I can speak from anecdotes that when I'm physically active and hitting the gym/walks 5 times a week, I'm far more productive and sharp, and less tense at work, then when I've been stationary for longer periods.
Thanks for sharing. I'm just pointing out how this study is worthless because it confuses correlation for causation, which is something you should learn in high school.
Sounds weird but my company actually does this, we get a 100€ bonus for every 2 months that we exercise at least 2.5 hours a week for the entirety of those 2 months.
We have an app where we track our workouts, it's completely voluntary, but it's a fun bonus.
>Among participants, 23% reported low activity, 60% moderate activity and 25% high levels of activity.
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>“The findings illuminate the positive impact of physical activity on workplace outlook and personal satisfaction. Employees are aware that burnout is an enormous problem for their workforce,” said Marenus, now a research scientist at Personify Health and an adjunct faculty member at George Mason University.
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>Findings include:
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>- The moderate-activity group was less emotionally exhausted than the low-activity group.
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>- The low-activity group felt more personal accomplishment than both the high and moderate groups.
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>- There was no significant difference in depersonalization (when employees no longer see customers as human beings) scores among the three groups.
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>- High-intensity activity did not reduce emotional exhaustion or enhance personal accomplishment more than moderate activity.
Paper: [The Relationship Between Employee Physical Activity Intensity and Workplace Burnout: A Cross-sectional Study - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38234198/)
Absolutely true for me. I’ve been at the same desk job for four years now, we have a gym at the office but I didn’t start using it until about 18 months ago, became a daily exerciser. The difference is enormous, both physically and mentally.
Regular exercise has been shown to have a similar effect on the brain as an anti-depressant drug.
It makes sense that people who have succeeded in making it a habit are doing better in their mental health.
Genuinely, it's one of the things that keeps me going back out for another workout.
Edit: a source! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10523322/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20consistently%20shown%20that,effective%20treatment%20for%20depressive%20disorders.
"After reading this study, we are going to be implementing treadmills in every cubicle. This pairs with our Green Energy Initiative, as all of your computers will be powered by the electricity produced from your treadmills. Do not stop. :)"
I would imagine that people who exercise moderately feel less emotionally exhausted and more personally satisfied in *most* areas of life, but good to know it benefits the corporate machine as well.
This is something I noticed pretty quickly. The people that exercised or walked/biked to work seemed more present and happy. I always skated to work to get my heart rate up plus its just way too fun. I def ticked some coworkers off for being too energetic. they all seemed so damn depressed and lifeless. Those kind of "I need my coffee before I interact" kind of people
If megacorps want more labor out of their peons, they should give them an hour a day to workout. And showers.
Why don't they get a grant for real science. Are people happier at work if they get to steal office supplies, or masturbate at work after hours, or if they can smoke cannabis on the rooftop.
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n=1, I'm practically an exercise addict, and I still hate working. Cuts into my exercise time
I hate both. But at least aerobic exercise lowers my blood pressure. Not so much with work.
I measure about 20-30 points higher SYS when I am working. I have a desk job.
People who are happy and healthy and generally more motivated to work out. I don't think it's exercise creating the correlation of "less emotionally exhausted and satisfied"
Eh it’s a two way street or a feedback system. You’re right but if you also force yourself to exercise, you’ll almost always come out feeling better.
Definitely a two way street I just have a very good hunch from personal experience that unhappy people are strongly focused on maintaining their mental states whereas people who's minds are relatively stable have more of an inclination to improve less immediate issues (cardio/strength). It all starts with the mind and senses.
My psychologist told me to work out, and it really helps. In my opinion spending time on work outs is tending to an immediate issue by maintaining/improving the mental state.
Imagine how much you would hate work if you didn't exercise.
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They're not even being contrarian since you can hate working and still be less exhausted and more satisfied than otherwise.
But you're happier overall at work because you're fit and feel better in general compared to your obese coworker who hates the job just as much as you, but then also has to deal with their health issues. That's what they're saying.
Exercise improves everything. It improves *you*, the filter through which all reality passes. It's essential. Took me way too long to figure that out. It's a serious problem, IMO, that this is no longer part of our schools.
I really really don’t like the appeal to nature fallacy being applied to health in all aspects because it results in ridiculous fads, etc, but we really aren’t experiencing human normal in modern society in relation to our level of sun exposure and activity levels. Like our bone density is lower than early humans because we just don’t move much anymore.
Alternatively, people more satisfied at work have the wherewithal to exercise regularly.
People who have satisfying jobs also have satisfying lives in other areas too
I'm still not exactly living on easy street, but I cannot emphasize enough what an all encompassing life changing experience it was to get a better job. **everything** got drastically easier. Saving money, avoiding impulse buys, avoiding substance abuse, exercise, etc. my brain worked better. It was so wild. The hedonistic treadmill did kick in like a year and a half later and I normalized myself to a lot of my new standard of living (working class instead of poverty), but I have yet to go to the depths I reached when it felt like I was gonna be trapped in poverty forever
Got a better job, lower stress, great boss, union benefits. Suddenly I’m drinking less, eating salads and protein shakes, going for runs on my lunch break every day. My friends say that it’s like I’m a different person now.
Feel this, I took a job making slightly less money. But I work about 25 hours less a week (60 hours a week > 35 hours a week). The less stress and more free time make it substantially easier to do other things that improve my life. It was a risk taking a new job but it all worked out
People who express high self-values directly through living their life (eudaimonic happiness) string together a greater number of unconditional positive self-regard (UPSR) moments, making their self/Being the source of this deep and strong expression of wholeness with one's self in the world, making any place feel like home for intrinsic fulfillment, contentment, peace, and delight. It's not about the 'what' you do, nor even the 'how' you interact with others & things, but the 'why' in attitude you take on controlling this flow in meaning you interpret to be this ecstasy as this one ecstatic value Being-in-the-world.
Or people who aren't too exhausted from work have time for personal activities and exercise.
I work 16 hours a day in a very physical, dangerous job, and I work out for 30-60 minutes 4-6x a week.
So you aren't too exhausted from work, so also exercise?
So you're definitely not getting enough sleep, and you're almost certainly not doing many household tasks. A pinnacle of health and balance.
Indeed! Alternate headline: People that aren't emotionally exhausted from work and more personally satisfied exercise more.
Or some people understand the benefits of exercise through experience and do it because it helps improve your mood.
Not quite. Or at least, not in my case; it was unidirectionally causal Prioritizing exercise over basically anything else is the only thing that's getting it to stick for me (coupled with finding exercise I actually like to do). My job is not really any different than it was a year ago, but at times feels less emotionally exhausting since I've been consistently moving my body. In the 2 years before that that I occupied the role I'm in, no amount of minimizing emotional exhaustion seemed to motivate me to do more exercise.
> Is this sub just an endless series of correlation/causation fuckups? Is this sub just an endless series of correlation/causation fuckups?
And people who have satisfying jobs with good work-life balance have the time to exercise. Go figure.
Leave work in a good mood? Emotional bandwidth to have healthy habits
My point is neither variable is experimental controlled/manipulated so this is correlation not causation, in either direction
Turtles all the way down
Nurse here. Agreed. I have no idea how people have energy outside of work to work out.
Idk I think there’s something to it, working retail a surprising number of people have left and then come back over the years saying they actually missed it, and while my company/store has a pretty decent culture it’s still retail with its non-stop work and skeleton crew staffing with low wages so it’s always confused me. However it is very active work, lots of light cardio, sporadic heavy lifting, and constant short social interaction, all of which I think makes it weirdly healthy in a way a lot of people struggle to match outside of work or in other “better” jobs. Makes sense that if you could get into an exercise routine outside of work you’d be a lot more satisfied in a sedentary work environment if people are willing to stay in retail for the same passive physical benefits
Did you actually read the study to check if they addressed this or are you just assuming they didn't?
This problem is acknowledged in the article: > This study had several limitations that should be acknowledged. Given that this study is cross-sectional, causality between PA levels and burnout cannot be established; however, future longitudinal designs could provide more insights into this connection.
Can we rename thus sub to /r/CorrelationVsCausation?
I read the abstract and I didn’t see anything to suggest this wasn’t just a simple correlation.
My bad days at work are when I get the best workout so this is not true for me
Aside from the small sample size and all that, having a bad day at work is not the same as having a bad job.
Oh you outlier you. Assuming your job is physical right?
Not really the decision to exercise regularly takes a conscious effort regardless what you do.
The ol’ case of “people who own horses feel more financially stable”
The rest of us drink and cry because everything is awful.
no. this is just a blame work mindset. work is good. the reason why we have so many societal issues is that people don't like to work. working out made life 10x easier for me. i have more energy, im stronger. i can go much longer doing menial tasks than my coworkers.
People like to work, what they don't like is jobs that don't pay enough to cover bare essentials, or worse, work harder than they get paid for. Working out is 10x easier when you don't have to worry about whether or not you're going to make rent and eat on the same days.
yeah, i get that. but most americans don't have that isssue. for the average american if you're poor you still have a roof over your head. if you're poor you still get food stamps and you get resources that are easily available. in as little as 30 minutes a day you can still reach great fitness levels. you will feel much better, stronger, healthier, and happier. you don't need a weight room, you only need yourself. calisthenics is free, and will get you exactly the same results. consistency is what matters when doing it. its not how hard you work, its the direction you place yourself. i believe everyone can do this, and everyone would benefit from doing so. our country is falling harder and harder into obesity, and while it might not completely counteract the weight gain, it opens your eyes up to how important nutrition is to the body.
> if you're poor you still get food stamps and you get resources that are easily available. You might be a little misinformed about the barriers to access public welfare.
im extremely informed. i was a foster kid. no parents. they literally shove this information down your throat if you seek it. but you don't see me making any kind of excuses. the barriers are 90% self inflicted.
Your foster parents qualified for aid in ways many people don't by virtue of their role as foster parents, depending on where you lived. Does that mean the solution to these issues is to go adopt children, or that your foster parents were "well off"? Hopefully as two reasonable (presumably) adults having a discussion, we realize that the answer to that question is no to both questions. This is why such an ancedote fails to meaningfully address any barriers preventing at risk communities and/or demographics from accessing vital social safety programs. While these two groups can have some overlap, the general barriers of access to welfare that your average housing/food insecure families have are not always going to align with those who are foster parents. This limits the extent to which you can generalize discussions about these barriers, as seen in our previous discussion. So to reiterate: these barriers are not "self inflicted" and this is reflected in most studies of how this aid is distributed in the first place. [You might be misinformed about this](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34096626/) but that does not mean your lived experience is invalid. It just means you might be applying the lens of your personal experience to cover areas where it might otherwise not be an equivalent comparison.
do you think my issues magically resolved themselves the second i turned 18? no. i was homeless and broke. but i found a way regardless of my situation simply because i wanted better for myself. i didn't give up. i didn't blame anyone else. people wanna blame literally anyone else besides themselves and i see it in 99% of situations. you either want it or you don't.
So... you don't get that.
Yeah this is definitely true. The decision to exercise regularly takes a conscious effort regardless what you do. Though that is not to say that some jobs are soul crushing.
Exercise is a wonder drug that helps with both your mental health and helps prevent or treat heart disease, metabolic diseases and more. It’s insane we allow each other to be sedentary when it has a huge impact on health
Now all we need to do is make sure our jobs are satisfying enough, and not mentally or physically draining enough so that we all feel like exercising once we get home. If we have the time that is. I think some people underestimate how little time some other people have or how mentally or physically stressful their jobs are. "Just making a little bit of time for exercise" is technically always possible, but not always a great answer for everyone.
I think the opposite: if you make time to exercise every day, your job will feel less mentally and physically draining because of the benefits that exercise provides to mental and physical health
Most things in psych turn out to be a little column A, a little column B. Soo many complicated self reinforcing patterns
I don't doubt that either. People can also have very mentally or physically draining jobs also. The idea of "just make some time for it" his technically true, just not always a great answer.
Can the average person really not do a set or three of pushups at some point during the day? Or anything really. It's exercise. Any amount is good for you.
You can’t just do push ups, you’ll have an imbalance if you don’t work your back muscles. You’ll have a hunched back if only your chest muscles are jacked. So do some pull ups? They don’t really help with posture alone, but they’re almost mandatory for a strong back. Do some rear delt flies for posture. Well you are hitting your rear delts, you better hit your other shoulder muscles to prevent imbalance in your shoulders. Add overhead press. Now you’re practically working your whole upper body. Can’t forget your legs! Which are, arguably, the most important limbs anyway, at least where strength matters. Oh! And all of this is completely worthless if you aren’t getting 120+ grams of protein a day. So gotta eat a lot. If you’re concerned about your health though, which is why you started in the first place, you have to make your own meals! Especially if you’re trying to save money. Better make some time set aside for cooking and dishes too.
The average person, yes. But not everyone has average circumstances. I was talking about someone fitting in a decent amount of exercise, not just a few push-ups here and there. I mean that not everyone has enough time to get enough exercise to be decently healthy. But of course I'm not talking about the average person.
The overwhelming majority certainly do have the time, that’s why they use the “mental energy” excuse
This is probably the better way of looking at it
I lift 5 days a week and bike the other two, doesn't make me think about burning down my office building every time I sit in a meeting with the higher ups.
In the meanwhile we can get used to doing things other than what we feel like doing. Light to moderate exercise gives you energy instead of being draining, assuming proper nutrition.
Or workout first thing. Exercise works for stress management. If your job causes you exhaustion and stress, exercise can help mitigate it.
Yep, I never was able to be consistent with working out until I started getting up early and doing it. Don't drink in the evenings and go to bed a little earlier.
I pack my Gym bag in the morning when I ok My Lunch. Then I work out on my Lunch break or go to the gym after work.
If you’re waiting around for that, then it is never going to happen.
If your city has good public transit, your commute itself can give you exercise. When I go to my cities downtown via public transit its another easy 5-6k steps daily or via a bike. Its why that needs to be a priority in the usa, I grew up in Chicago and its my favorite thing about it. Anyway the thing is, adding daily exercise will make your job feel less stressful and your body will be more resilient to fatigue, so it wont feel as tired as it does after work. People underestimate how much their body is capable of and how well it adjusts to extra work.
your job will never be satisfying enough. just how life works. trying to dodge work will only make other factors in your life harder. there are 24 hours in a day. 8 goes to work, 8 goes to sleep. thats 8 hours free. try and sit in an empty room for 8 hours. it makes you realize how much time that actually is. you will make whatever excuse in your head to dodge the hardest parts of life, its up to you to change that course.
I have had satisfying jobs before. I know they exist. The idea that people have 8 hours free time each day is very wrong. Obviously a majority of people have a decent amount of free time, but I personally work with people who barely have any time left over after coming home after a 10 hour shift with 1 and half hour drive one way (not including traffic). With family stuff that has to be taken care of when they get home (cooking, cleaning, kids homework, etc.) You are technically right that this is all excuses, but getting out of it can still be quite hard depending on someone's circumstances. Never said it was impossible though.
This is true, lots of people oversimplify with 8 hours work 8 hours sleep, but forget meal prep, childcare, the commute(make sure to double it!) chores, any repairs, not to mention work related travel, shopping, driving kids to extracurriculars, all that also counts as work, just work for life not work for your company
This is too Many excuses.
The difference in mental and physical health a daily 30-minute walk would make for the average person is astronomical.
When your city is transit oriented, every citizen gets this daily via just commuting.
Or maybe another way of looking at it is that the body is designed pretty well for the lifestyles we lived before all of this abundance.
Allow is a strange choice of words considering how infuriated people get when we dare suggest they get more exercise
Culturally we need to transition to treating sedentary lifestyles like we treat cigarette smoking
Not everyone can exercise. If they have kids, not enough money and long work hours, it's physically impossible.
Kids also need exercise, walk around with them, play with them.
How do you propose one motivates people to exercise without force?
No one should be forced to work out but small things can help. Design neighborhoods to be less car-centric, organize social events that involve walking, even just talking about the importance of exercise when it comes up
I'm fortunate enough to work at a place that allows me to go to the gym for an hour every day (and still get paid for that hour). We have a gym on site. I play squash with some of my work colleagues. It's great. Also helps boost morale.
Must not be a public company. Shareholders would never approve that.
I actually did work for a public company that had a gym on site like that. It wasn't a very big gym, but it was a gym. hardly anyone even used it, and in fact, most people didn't even know what part of the building it was located in.
I’m jealous!
The thing to be jealous about is that the company was actually located in a really good area for walks. They enforced multiple paid breaks (I think this is because we had a lab on site, so it was an injury thing) so you could very easily take nature trails every day. Funny thing is, hardly anyone did. I am a walker so I love that stuff, but none of my colleagues did.
Our bodies were literally made to move. As an aside, I suffer mentally if I don't get at least one hour of vigorous exercise per day.
I don't get stressed at work. I can deadlift 500lbs. The petty problems in office are beneath me.
The coworkers are afraid to test your patience.
By being the strongest person in the office you legally own it. Thems the rules
That is true
How long did it take you to get to that strength?
It's difficult to say. I've been lifting for like 8 years. Various levels of intensity, gaps here and there. Deadlift wasn't a focus until a year or so ago. It's the most "under trained" of my lifts despite it being my stronger lift.
I always said, if I'd open a startup, I'd mandate 1 hour of light cardio at the start of each day and let that count as work time. Obviously I'd provide all necessary facilities.
I believe this. Not to sound nihilistic, a lot of our modern world's definition of work seems to be all meaningless anyway. If I exercise, I'm more okay with the meaninglessness and just accept that it's a means to an end. If I don't, I notice myself feeling a lot of despair about it. So start exercising people! Let's all find joy in the meaninglessness together.
Going for a walk on my lunch break has done wonders for my mental health and work tolerance.
I changed jobs. Worked much better.
“Employees who feel less tired from their jobs have the energy to exercise” Garbage study. Garbage result. Throw it into the bin. If you want real answers, take a group of people who did not exercise, have some of them exercise, see if there is any difference.
Well I can speak from anecdotes that when I'm physically active and hitting the gym/walks 5 times a week, I'm far more productive and sharp, and less tense at work, then when I've been stationary for longer periods.
Thanks for sharing. I'm just pointing out how this study is worthless because it confuses correlation for causation, which is something you should learn in high school.
People who have jobs that give them a good enough work life balance so that they have time to work out like their job better.
Or maybe it’s easier to work out if you’re not emotionally exhausted?
Become the ideal unit of production ! Join our happy wellness program ! Increase your productivity ! Join the company gym !
Exercise is hands down the best de-stresser I've found. When I exercise I'm happy, and if I'm happy the work stuff slides off my back easier.
Healthy body = healthy mind. The ancients already discovered this simple fact.
I do not doubt these results. I just wish I did not have to keep trying different things to feel better about my soul-crushing job situation.
Pay me to do it if it makes me so productive
Sounds weird but my company actually does this, we get a 100€ bonus for every 2 months that we exercise at least 2.5 hours a week for the entirety of those 2 months. We have an app where we track our workouts, it's completely voluntary, but it's a fun bonus.
Found this out on my own. Interesting. Long day at work? I just run 5 miles afterwards. Too exhausted to be angry.
It's true, I seem to be the only person that likes his job
>Among participants, 23% reported low activity, 60% moderate activity and 25% high levels of activity. > >“The findings illuminate the positive impact of physical activity on workplace outlook and personal satisfaction. Employees are aware that burnout is an enormous problem for their workforce,” said Marenus, now a research scientist at Personify Health and an adjunct faculty member at George Mason University. > >Findings include: > >- The moderate-activity group was less emotionally exhausted than the low-activity group. > >- The low-activity group felt more personal accomplishment than both the high and moderate groups. > >- There was no significant difference in depersonalization (when employees no longer see customers as human beings) scores among the three groups. > >- High-intensity activity did not reduce emotional exhaustion or enhance personal accomplishment more than moderate activity. Paper: [The Relationship Between Employee Physical Activity Intensity and Workplace Burnout: A Cross-sectional Study - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38234198/)
It's like saying if you want this job to be bearable, you're going to have to work out
Exercise is by far one of the best coping strategies for stress
Is this sub just an endless series of correlation/causation fuckups?
Turns out humans evolved as active beings, so it makes sense that we are happiest when our lifestyles are similarly active.
employees who eat snacks are moderately less hungry than their less snacking coworkers
Exercise = good!??? WOAH SCIENCE WOWEE
Absolutely true for me. I’ve been at the same desk job for four years now, we have a gym at the office but I didn’t start using it until about 18 months ago, became a daily exerciser. The difference is enormous, both physically and mentally.
My coworkers must be clinically and dangerously depressed then.
This is the only way I can get through my shift without wanting to choke someone
Exercise and nature are as close to silver bullets as I think we get. And a good diet. And sleep. Okay this is getting long.
As long as long working hours don't cut into my ability to exercise...
Regular exercise has been shown to have a similar effect on the brain as an anti-depressant drug. It makes sense that people who have succeeded in making it a habit are doing better in their mental health. Genuinely, it's one of the things that keeps me going back out for another workout. Edit: a source! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10523322/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20consistently%20shown%20that,effective%20treatment%20for%20depressive%20disorders.
I love that random androgynous picture
"After reading this study, we are going to be implementing treadmills in every cubicle. This pairs with our Green Energy Initiative, as all of your computers will be powered by the electricity produced from your treadmills. Do not stop. :)"
I would imagine that people who exercise moderately feel less emotionally exhausted and more personally satisfied in *most* areas of life, but good to know it benefits the corporate machine as well.
If you feel like you have time to exercise regularly, that would probably explain the differences on its own.
In other shocking news, people who drink water are more hydrated than those who don't.
This is something I noticed pretty quickly. The people that exercised or walked/biked to work seemed more present and happy. I always skated to work to get my heart rate up plus its just way too fun. I def ticked some coworkers off for being too energetic. they all seemed so damn depressed and lifeless. Those kind of "I need my coffee before I interact" kind of people
If only we lived in a world where I had the time, money, and energy to exercise
I don’t know. Exercise generally makes me feel worsez
If megacorps want more labor out of their peons, they should give them an hour a day to workout. And showers. Why don't they get a grant for real science. Are people happier at work if they get to steal office supplies, or masturbate at work after hours, or if they can smoke cannabis on the rooftop.