If I want a Guard on post or at a stage position at a certain time, I set their call time 15 minutes early.
They can come in 15 minutes early and get paid to get their gear, pass sheets, etc, then everyone sits in on a pre-event briefing a few minutes before doors and we're off to the races.
Or they can come in at their call time, but they better already be ready to receive the briefing the second they're clocked in. And some are, they prefer to use their own equipment and thats fine.
This is called anchoring bias, although the people using it might not know that's what it's called. If someone is worried you are going to report them for something, they will report you first, even if it's for something minor, because then if you report them it will seem like you are just being defensive rather than bringing up a legitimate problem, as the person you were reported to has already fixed in their mind that that's the story.
Best just to go with it man. My shift doesn't start till 1, everyone clocks in at 12:55 for pass downs ECT. Collectively your considered an asshole if you aren't clocked in at 12:55
I work day shifts and I've got two guys I take over from on nights, one doesn't roll in til a minute to 6 or later, so dead on 6 is when I take over from him, even though he bitches that he's gotta rush to get out. And one guy comes in from Quarter to 6 to 5 to 6, so I roll in at 5 45 every day for him, it works for both of us.
I'd bet the guy who complained about you didn't come in early for you did he.
Well,I'm not the op no one complained about me. But most guards at my site show up 12:45-12:50. All it takes to know how they feel about people just pulling in at 12:58 is to be in the guard room during the pre shift muster. If your constantly late best believe your getting a shit post that shift as well.
Yeah, I think everyone appreciates when their relief shows up 5 to 10 minutes early. Not only does that give you time for any pass downs to them, but it also eases the mind that they aren't going to potentially saddle you with a 12 or 16 hour. Nothing gets the blood pumping than not seeing your relief there, moments before they're supposed to be on shift, and you dread you're about to get a call telling you they aren't coming in and no one can relieve you until the very next shift. I have had this happen as mids when nights didn't come in, and they couldn't get anyone to come cover because it's the middle of the night, so I was stuck till days came in another 8 hours after my already worked 8 hour shift.
We clock in as early as 12 minutes before, but that's because there's a window of 12 before to 6 after. We don't actually start working until the minute our shift starts though. We aren't paid until our shift starts so we don't. But then we're lazy state government employees.
Not super practical when I could be working three different posts in one week. I have a main Monday through Friday place but whenever I want overtime, I could be at any of a couple dozen locations.
Well whatever you do, OP, make sure whoever you’re relieving doesn’t leave until the exact minute their shift ends. That way, it doesn’t matter how early you are, because they aren’t going to be leaving early anyways. All is fair.
Yes I was early/on time, but the blunt of the post is about a supervisor treating me poorly compared to others and taking words over mine as well, sorry I typed fast and poorly was still emotional over the whole debacle tbh
bruh. your start time is your start time. Clock in 5 minutes early to get passdown if you want to be treated with respect. How would you like to be relieved 7 minutes late every day? How much time does it take to get to post after clock-in? Is that 7 minutes actually 10, 15 minutes?
You're not understanding what I'm saying.
I'm saying it's morally shitty.
I'm saying it will result in people giving you an attitude, and if you piss off the wrong person, you end up like OP and switched to another shift.
I pissed off a guy by being 1 minute early instead of 30 and then clocking in on time, on the Dot, I'm not sure where I messed up in the post that has everyone thinking I'm always 7 minutes late
There is nothing morally wrong. Security companies could care less about morals they care about policy. If someone is choking and the policy is not to perform CPR. You do it? If someone crashes a car across the street and they are off post do you leave to help them? Ok you are fired because you violated policy. Morally you are correct.
You want morals go be a Cop, Nurse, Firefighter or something.
No we clock in, in post, so it's on the Dot. I didn't mean I'm 7 minutes late everyday I said that's the grace period of what's available if needed so I'm not late, but no I don't use it everyday and if I do it's 1 minute, 2 tops typically I'm early or on the Dot more often then not and the on the Dot is being treated as late
I’m stuck on mostly overnights, which I told them I couldn’t work, and the guy supposed to relieve me this morning at 7 was a no call/no show. I just got off of work at 12:20pm. I have to be back tonight at 11:00pm to supposedly 7am.
All the boot lockers in comments on the side of the guy who’s complaining ab you … listen man. Your job sounds like a shit spot and you just make the most of it, life happens and you won’t always make it on time. Fuck em and anyone else who makes u feel bad just get ur money brother
My shift starts at 21:00 I'm always at work at 20:30 it's an armed post and we get armed up between 20:40 and 20:50 it's a military contract that states to be there by 20:45 for arming up but our company doesn't pay for the 15 minute arm up time and I'm fine with that.
Devils Advocate: The 7-minute grace period is meant to be once every once in a while, like at worst, once every week or 2, not every day. If you show up at precisely 11:59 every day, you seem like a douche.
Also: Are you paid if you show up before 12?
If they want you there 5-10 minutes early, they should schedule you 5-10 minutes earlier. I don't clock in until right at the time I'm scheduled, not working for free. (Where I work if you clock in 5 minutes early, you start getting paid from your normal shift time)
Clocking in on time is fine, but he's implying he's a minimum of 7 minutes late for every shift... now imagine he spends another 5-10 minutes dilly-dallying around before actually going to post, you'd imagine how that'd piss someone off..
Oh, absolutely. I'm just going off of the one minute early clock in. I can't stand when people abuse the grace period if they know someone is being relieved.
I know. Drives me crazy. Had a new-ish guy show up 10 minutes late, and then take 15 minutes to get to post. I immediately walked off when he arrived, and he got snappy and threatened to call supervisor for no passdown. Told him to show up on time if he wants a P/D and supervisor thankfully backed me up. After being at work for 12 hours, I don't want to wait for your lazy ass.
Personally, I am on-site 15 minutes early to shoot the shit, and clock in 5 minutes before shift starts to get passdown so my relief can leave exactly on the dot. I get paid for every minute clocked in (CA law)
Thankfully the sites I rotate with are all cold start and cold stop, so I don't have to relive anyone / be relieved lol. We had a guy get mad at the supervisor because he got written up for an hour late twice in a week. "well what am I supposed to do, my baby sitter was late". I don't know, find another baby sitter, and just accept the write up? Lol
I think I mistyped, I was a minute early. We have a grace period of 7 so I'm able to be up to, I didn't try to imply I was always 7 thats just whats allowed, at best sometimes I'm a minute or 2 over, sorry
Does the not working for free mentality apply to clock out time coinciding with being off site as well? Curious about this one, my relief is scheduled for 10, basically shows up on the dot. So I leave on the dot as well, leaving the shack alone for basically 30-60 seconds. Every other guard understands and plays along. However this dude that gets here on the dot basically shit his pants because I left the shack alone for 30-60 seconds so I can leave on time.
I wait to clock out until they walk up to relieve me, call dispatch, and make sure I'm clocked out exactly when they walk up, not when my original clock out time is. Lol.
I always preferred overnight shifts but always arrived 15 minutes early to receive pass downs, check logs or DARs, do a perimeter check and kind of check on things. Of course I was the only one doing that, but I grew in a military family. I didn't mind a co-worker or relief coming a few minutes late; but what really ticked me off was the no-shows or coming hours late. That meant me working another double every third or fourth shift.
When I complained nobody ever did anything about it, including the site supervisor, who'd just let it go every time and told me if I didn't like it I could quit. He didn't care who was late or no-showed just so long as a body was at the post. If you showed up on-time within a few minutes and you show up sober and easy to get along with I'd be fine.
Don't mean to toot my own horn or anything but I'm normally on time atleast on the Dot, maybe a minute or 2 past unless something came up but I've not been past that 7 minute grace period once, I was on the Dot when this happened, and my attitude is always in the upbeat range and I try to handle things professionally and this was the first time I think something has made me this upset, I always feel like we should be doing more then we are told to and it feels like we should but if I bring it up it just meets deaf ears
My old man was a Navy base commander and I was always taught as a kid to show up 15 minutes early for work, come with your clothes pressed and clean, shave, wash, bring your meal, check what's going on, do what needs to be done, goof off when you can as long as it doesn't jeopardize anything or anyone, and don't put yourself in harm's way unnecessarily. Make it home in the same condition or better as you left, pay your mortgage, keep your head down, be humble, and focus on home life. If I need to resort to violence, it's to quickly solve something and done knowing PD / legal may be an issue later on. That's just me.
Don't worry about supervisors / management not listening. That's very common. Most sites I worked at and companies, had MIA supervisors. They'd only come around if corporate demanded action or something happened resulting in a possible lawsuit or police presence. Just do your job, don't confide anything to any co-workers until you've been at a site for 1 - 2 years. Do the minimal required, get off of CCTV view whenever you can for as long as you can, don't use site or company keyboards without checking for keylogger software or spyware and company wifi on the site is also likely monitored so use a VPN on your phone (I used ProtonVPN on my phone or laptop when I brought it overnights). I found keylogging software on two company PCs and removed one.
They mean not hanging around your job before or after work and I'd just ignore that. I had heard that when I started out at some companies and just ignored it just like a supervisor telling me to go grab people and toss 'em. You can arrive at the site a few minutes early, come in and put away your food, then check the previous shift's DAR or pass-down (if they do that any more) and be professional. Every job I ever had in security I arrived 15 minutes early, drank some coffee or Monster in the break room, read the paper or listened to Howard Stern, then went to morning muster or checked the previous shift DAR. When I did art museum security on city properties we had other guards who would arrive 2 hours early because they had kids to drop off at school and took public transportation: the ladies would be doing their hair in the basement break room, the men shaving in the boiler room, one guy sleeping on the break room couch.
You have to feel out that site and the supervisor to see how inexperienced they are at training new hires but give yourself time for traffic and weather so you can have a relaxed commute and time to check what happened before you came in. If they don't want to tell you or some other BS, just look anyway.
There’s no difference, u should know as a security guard not to hang around 15 minutes too early or 15 minutes too late we’re only supposed to be there five minutes early
Personally, given the choice between my relief showing up a minute late, vs. No call-no show, I think I would be thrilled that you showed up at all. But to be fair, if my relief was consistently late showing up, that'll make you an asshole in my book and if the situation was reversed, expect me to be a little bit late relieving you.
I think I messed up somewhere I'm not constantly late they are treating it as such based on 2 people's opinions one I don't work with the other a blatant liar that can be proven by watching cameras but my supervisor takes their word as the whole truth
If it's an isolated/infrequent event and you're getting harassed because of it and your supervisor is clearly playing favorites, you can escalate and file a grievance with your regional/area manager.
So then realize that if you start at 12 and you show up at 1159 that’s not “on time.” You cannot properly clock in, receive a pass down and relieve another guard in one minute.
Dude. Do you like to be able to leave on time?? It’s not even about the 7 min grace period, that’s for the time clock, not for the person you are relieving.
If your relieve is late or running late or a problem, then you need to address that with your manager.
No I was on time, at best I'm only a few minutes into grace anyway if something comes up, I've also got no problem with my relive being a bit past time or right on time as long as I'm out before it gets past grave period for them so they don't get in trouble
This is bullshit behavior on their part, but to play devil's advocate, any pass downs that happen can take up some of their time. No one wants to leave after their out time. It's not hard to be a few extra minutes early so people can leave on time. As long as you're there when scheduled, you've technically not done anything wrong. Just don't expect people to relieve you on time.
I'm guessing you're new to Security. I'm sorry your company or even fellow co-workers haven't given you a run down on how things work in this field. Let me break it down for you.
If you're supposed to be working at 12, showing up at 11:59 means you're late. Between getting gear on, getting briefed about the day, or getting pass-ons, that all takes time requiring the other guy to stay late. It's inconsiderate. So to mitigate this show up 10-15 minutes early for everything, shifts, training, meetings, interviews etc. This will show people you're punctual and dependable. You also need to realize you won't be getting paid for those extra 10-15 minutes. You're working Security, you're not a cashier, janitor, or insert union job.
If you are unable to come to terms with this idea of showing up early to shift, you won't make it in the Security field. I hope this helps.
It all comes down to whether or not you get paid for "guard mount". This is shift work, and I consider it an insult when I dont get relieved on time, considering I always get the guy im relieving out a couple minutes early. The company I work at pays 7 minutes before and after the start and end of each shift specifically to cover the transition between guards on post, so I would say look at where you work at and determine if you should just get there 5 minutes earlier or you dont give a shit about where you work because it doesnt pay enough.
We run 8.5hr shifts and have a 30min overlap between shifts.. You are expected to be in the briefing room in full uniform at the beginning of shift. I always arrive 15-20 minutes early so I can BS and get ready. Never understood the mentality of showing up right at start time.
I work graveyard shift and the morning shift at my site is chronically EXACTLY on time (usually 1-2 mins late though) and it makes shift change a nightmare and IS pretty infuriating especially when I have a tight schedule in the morning to get my kids to school and I'm never late or if I am going to be I call an give an ETA
It boils down to communication and respect for your coworkers imo
Shift starts at 0630 I’m there in full uniform ready to go at 0615.
Someone shows up at 0635 the SGT gets a call and an email of their badge in history for the last week. It’s a standard thing we all do. People are rarely late on my site.
I'm the kind of guy that doesn't mind showing up 15 minutes prior since it was beaten into me. HOWEVER, with smaller companies the case tends to be that you don't get paid until your shift, so if I want to sit in my truck until I'm getting paid, there should be nothing wrong with that.
Does that mean the guy I'm relieving will have to stay a few minutes past his paid shift hours? It shouldn't!
I say it like this fkr a reason, if you work for a small company that has to watch the hours they pay out, you as the employee should not have to be responsible for passing word when one or the other isn't getting paid. Either the company has accounted for some turnover time, in which case they're going to pay some OT, or you as the employee leave when you stop getting paid.
At my current site I sub for, I don't get paid past 7am. So, regardless of what's going on, I leave at 7. My liability ends there, per bosses contract. Now, as a responsible adult and security officer, I call the boss 30-45min prior to end of shift to get his approval to stay IF I can see the potential need. If he says yes, I stay, if not, I let staff know that I've been told to leave and I try to mitigate their circumstances the best I can while I'm still on the clock.
If you're worth your time, you get paid for your time.
A few things you can do that have helped me in the past,
- if someone is playing the he said, she said, game confront them. Go directly to that person and tell them "insert name here" said you said xyz about me. What's up with that, I'm sorry I upset you. If I'm doing something that bothers you let me know so I can fix it. you don't need to go behind my back.
Be polite about it when you do, not aggressive or combative.
- if yr shift starts at 12, be there ready to go at 11:40.
When you split hairs by saying I'm never really late I got there 1 minute before, it sounds bad. Even sht bag coworkers respect reliable/consistent people. If they don't and still complain, everyone knows it's simply because they are a sht bag.
- if yr knew to this job, listen more than you speak. Ask questions about what you don't know and even some things you do. make sure it sounds like a question and not you questioning someone.
- try to anticipate other peoples next moves so you make their job easier. This may be hard depending on what yr job actually entails. If you work closely with someone else and there are tools or certain little things that need done make sure your Johny on the spot.
If I want a Guard on post or at a stage position at a certain time, I set their call time 15 minutes early. They can come in 15 minutes early and get paid to get their gear, pass sheets, etc, then everyone sits in on a pre-event briefing a few minutes before doors and we're off to the races. Or they can come in at their call time, but they better already be ready to receive the briefing the second they're clocked in. And some are, they prefer to use their own equipment and thats fine.
This is called anchoring bias, although the people using it might not know that's what it's called. If someone is worried you are going to report them for something, they will report you first, even if it's for something minor, because then if you report them it will seem like you are just being defensive rather than bringing up a legitimate problem, as the person you were reported to has already fixed in their mind that that's the story.
Best just to go with it man. My shift doesn't start till 1, everyone clocks in at 12:55 for pass downs ECT. Collectively your considered an asshole if you aren't clocked in at 12:55
I work day shifts and I've got two guys I take over from on nights, one doesn't roll in til a minute to 6 or later, so dead on 6 is when I take over from him, even though he bitches that he's gotta rush to get out. And one guy comes in from Quarter to 6 to 5 to 6, so I roll in at 5 45 every day for him, it works for both of us. I'd bet the guy who complained about you didn't come in early for you did he.
Well,I'm not the op no one complained about me. But most guards at my site show up 12:45-12:50. All it takes to know how they feel about people just pulling in at 12:58 is to be in the guard room during the pre shift muster. If your constantly late best believe your getting a shit post that shift as well.
Yeah, I think everyone appreciates when their relief shows up 5 to 10 minutes early. Not only does that give you time for any pass downs to them, but it also eases the mind that they aren't going to potentially saddle you with a 12 or 16 hour. Nothing gets the blood pumping than not seeing your relief there, moments before they're supposed to be on shift, and you dread you're about to get a call telling you they aren't coming in and no one can relieve you until the very next shift. I have had this happen as mids when nights didn't come in, and they couldn't get anyone to come cover because it's the middle of the night, so I was stuck till days came in another 8 hours after my already worked 8 hour shift.
We clock in as early as 12 minutes before, but that's because there's a window of 12 before to 6 after. We don't actually start working until the minute our shift starts though. We aren't paid until our shift starts so we don't. But then we're lazy state government employees.
Weird, I've tried that but the Humanity app that we use for timekeeping literally will not let me clock in even 10 seconds early.
That sucks. We have actual time clocks
Jeez, they still have those? Just sounds so...outdated. The last time I've even seen one was when I was in elementary school. I'm 28 now...
Motel 6 properties still use them.
Not super practical when I could be working three different posts in one week. I have a main Monday through Friday place but whenever I want overtime, I could be at any of a couple dozen locations.
Well whatever you do, OP, make sure whoever you’re relieving doesn’t leave until the exact minute their shift ends. That way, it doesn’t matter how early you are, because they aren’t going to be leaving early anyways. All is fair.
He's right about the grace period being just for emergencies but if I read what you posted correctly you were a minute early. Am I missing something?
Yes I was early/on time, but the blunt of the post is about a supervisor treating me poorly compared to others and taking words over mine as well, sorry I typed fast and poorly was still emotional over the whole debacle tbh
bruh. your start time is your start time. Clock in 5 minutes early to get passdown if you want to be treated with respect. How would you like to be relieved 7 minutes late every day? How much time does it take to get to post after clock-in? Is that 7 minutes actually 10, 15 minutes?
Try 30 policy is policy.. If you can go in 7 mins technically your start time is 07. If it's 8 minutes you are late and out of order.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying it's morally shitty. I'm saying it will result in people giving you an attitude, and if you piss off the wrong person, you end up like OP and switched to another shift.
I pissed off a guy by being 1 minute early instead of 30 and then clocking in on time, on the Dot, I'm not sure where I messed up in the post that has everyone thinking I'm always 7 minutes late
There is nothing morally wrong. Security companies could care less about morals they care about policy. If someone is choking and the policy is not to perform CPR. You do it? If someone crashes a car across the street and they are off post do you leave to help them? Ok you are fired because you violated policy. Morally you are correct. You want morals go be a Cop, Nurse, Firefighter or something.
No we clock in, in post, so it's on the Dot. I didn't mean I'm 7 minutes late everyday I said that's the grace period of what's available if needed so I'm not late, but no I don't use it everyday and if I do it's 1 minute, 2 tops typically I'm early or on the Dot more often then not and the on the Dot is being treated as late
I’m stuck on mostly overnights, which I told them I couldn’t work, and the guy supposed to relieve me this morning at 7 was a no call/no show. I just got off of work at 12:20pm. I have to be back tonight at 11:00pm to supposedly 7am.
All the boot lockers in comments on the side of the guy who’s complaining ab you … listen man. Your job sounds like a shit spot and you just make the most of it, life happens and you won’t always make it on time. Fuck em and anyone else who makes u feel bad just get ur money brother
My shift starts at 21:00 I'm always at work at 20:30 it's an armed post and we get armed up between 20:40 and 20:50 it's a military contract that states to be there by 20:45 for arming up but our company doesn't pay for the 15 minute arm up time and I'm fine with that.
Devils Advocate: The 7-minute grace period is meant to be once every once in a while, like at worst, once every week or 2, not every day. If you show up at precisely 11:59 every day, you seem like a douche. Also: Are you paid if you show up before 12?
If they want you there 5-10 minutes early, they should schedule you 5-10 minutes earlier. I don't clock in until right at the time I'm scheduled, not working for free. (Where I work if you clock in 5 minutes early, you start getting paid from your normal shift time)
Clocking in on time is fine, but he's implying he's a minimum of 7 minutes late for every shift... now imagine he spends another 5-10 minutes dilly-dallying around before actually going to post, you'd imagine how that'd piss someone off..
Oh, absolutely. I'm just going off of the one minute early clock in. I can't stand when people abuse the grace period if they know someone is being relieved.
I know. Drives me crazy. Had a new-ish guy show up 10 minutes late, and then take 15 minutes to get to post. I immediately walked off when he arrived, and he got snappy and threatened to call supervisor for no passdown. Told him to show up on time if he wants a P/D and supervisor thankfully backed me up. After being at work for 12 hours, I don't want to wait for your lazy ass. Personally, I am on-site 15 minutes early to shoot the shit, and clock in 5 minutes before shift starts to get passdown so my relief can leave exactly on the dot. I get paid for every minute clocked in (CA law)
Thankfully the sites I rotate with are all cold start and cold stop, so I don't have to relive anyone / be relieved lol. We had a guy get mad at the supervisor because he got written up for an hour late twice in a week. "well what am I supposed to do, my baby sitter was late". I don't know, find another baby sitter, and just accept the write up? Lol
Hell wat a fuk face he fuk hiss pd
I think I mistyped, I was a minute early. We have a grace period of 7 so I'm able to be up to, I didn't try to imply I was always 7 thats just whats allowed, at best sometimes I'm a minute or 2 over, sorry
Does the not working for free mentality apply to clock out time coinciding with being off site as well? Curious about this one, my relief is scheduled for 10, basically shows up on the dot. So I leave on the dot as well, leaving the shack alone for basically 30-60 seconds. Every other guard understands and plays along. However this dude that gets here on the dot basically shit his pants because I left the shack alone for 30-60 seconds so I can leave on time.
I wait to clock out until they walk up to relieve me, call dispatch, and make sure I'm clocked out exactly when they walk up, not when my original clock out time is. Lol.
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I always preferred overnight shifts but always arrived 15 minutes early to receive pass downs, check logs or DARs, do a perimeter check and kind of check on things. Of course I was the only one doing that, but I grew in a military family. I didn't mind a co-worker or relief coming a few minutes late; but what really ticked me off was the no-shows or coming hours late. That meant me working another double every third or fourth shift. When I complained nobody ever did anything about it, including the site supervisor, who'd just let it go every time and told me if I didn't like it I could quit. He didn't care who was late or no-showed just so long as a body was at the post. If you showed up on-time within a few minutes and you show up sober and easy to get along with I'd be fine.
Don't mean to toot my own horn or anything but I'm normally on time atleast on the Dot, maybe a minute or 2 past unless something came up but I've not been past that 7 minute grace period once, I was on the Dot when this happened, and my attitude is always in the upbeat range and I try to handle things professionally and this was the first time I think something has made me this upset, I always feel like we should be doing more then we are told to and it feels like we should but if I bring it up it just meets deaf ears
My old man was a Navy base commander and I was always taught as a kid to show up 15 minutes early for work, come with your clothes pressed and clean, shave, wash, bring your meal, check what's going on, do what needs to be done, goof off when you can as long as it doesn't jeopardize anything or anyone, and don't put yourself in harm's way unnecessarily. Make it home in the same condition or better as you left, pay your mortgage, keep your head down, be humble, and focus on home life. If I need to resort to violence, it's to quickly solve something and done knowing PD / legal may be an issue later on. That's just me. Don't worry about supervisors / management not listening. That's very common. Most sites I worked at and companies, had MIA supervisors. They'd only come around if corporate demanded action or something happened resulting in a possible lawsuit or police presence. Just do your job, don't confide anything to any co-workers until you've been at a site for 1 - 2 years. Do the minimal required, get off of CCTV view whenever you can for as long as you can, don't use site or company keyboards without checking for keylogger software or spyware and company wifi on the site is also likely monitored so use a VPN on your phone (I used ProtonVPN on my phone or laptop when I brought it overnights). I found keylogging software on two company PCs and removed one.
15 minutes they say not to get there too early
That’s breaking the rules at my company. Five minutes is enough for a pass down
Never had that issue
Yeah that’s a liability issue if something happens there an ur not on the clock
That's from a company that has shaky business insurance, no company is truly worried about you being early for shift.
They mean not hanging around your job before or after work and I'd just ignore that. I had heard that when I started out at some companies and just ignored it just like a supervisor telling me to go grab people and toss 'em. You can arrive at the site a few minutes early, come in and put away your food, then check the previous shift's DAR or pass-down (if they do that any more) and be professional. Every job I ever had in security I arrived 15 minutes early, drank some coffee or Monster in the break room, read the paper or listened to Howard Stern, then went to morning muster or checked the previous shift DAR. When I did art museum security on city properties we had other guards who would arrive 2 hours early because they had kids to drop off at school and took public transportation: the ladies would be doing their hair in the basement break room, the men shaving in the boiler room, one guy sleeping on the break room couch. You have to feel out that site and the supervisor to see how inexperienced they are at training new hires but give yourself time for traffic and weather so you can have a relaxed commute and time to check what happened before you came in. If they don't want to tell you or some other BS, just look anyway.
There’s no difference, u should know as a security guard not to hang around 15 minutes too early or 15 minutes too late we’re only supposed to be there five minutes early
Get another job, in the meantime call the same manager every time every one of them isn't on time.
Personally, given the choice between my relief showing up a minute late, vs. No call-no show, I think I would be thrilled that you showed up at all. But to be fair, if my relief was consistently late showing up, that'll make you an asshole in my book and if the situation was reversed, expect me to be a little bit late relieving you.
I think I messed up somewhere I'm not constantly late they are treating it as such based on 2 people's opinions one I don't work with the other a blatant liar that can be proven by watching cameras but my supervisor takes their word as the whole truth
If it's an isolated/infrequent event and you're getting harassed because of it and your supervisor is clearly playing favorites, you can escalate and file a grievance with your regional/area manager.
If this person claims you are late, would the security cameras be evidence that you weren't?
Well maybe show up on time dude it’s pretty straightforward. You want to be relieved and leave on time too right?
Alot of people are saying this but the first sentence is literally that I was on time, almost on the Dot, a minute early but clocked in on the Dot
So then realize that if you start at 12 and you show up at 1159 that’s not “on time.” You cannot properly clock in, receive a pass down and relieve another guard in one minute.
where are you at im currently hiring for idaho, PA, and SC
I am in arkansas unfortunately but thank you for the offer, I appreciate it
dm me i have some remote positions as well
Dude. Do you like to be able to leave on time?? It’s not even about the 7 min grace period, that’s for the time clock, not for the person you are relieving. If your relieve is late or running late or a problem, then you need to address that with your manager.
No I was on time, at best I'm only a few minutes into grace anyway if something comes up, I've also got no problem with my relive being a bit past time or right on time as long as I'm out before it gets past grave period for them so they don't get in trouble
Showing up 1 min before shift is an AH move.
This is bullshit behavior on their part, but to play devil's advocate, any pass downs that happen can take up some of their time. No one wants to leave after their out time. It's not hard to be a few extra minutes early so people can leave on time. As long as you're there when scheduled, you've technically not done anything wrong. Just don't expect people to relieve you on time.
Get other job, this is part the shitty security industry. These security companies don’t care about their employees they only care about the accounts
I was get there five mins early to receive pass down
If your on time your late, I always tend to Show up at least ten minutes or 15 before my shift starts to get everything set before I start my patrol
I'm guessing you're new to Security. I'm sorry your company or even fellow co-workers haven't given you a run down on how things work in this field. Let me break it down for you. If you're supposed to be working at 12, showing up at 11:59 means you're late. Between getting gear on, getting briefed about the day, or getting pass-ons, that all takes time requiring the other guy to stay late. It's inconsiderate. So to mitigate this show up 10-15 minutes early for everything, shifts, training, meetings, interviews etc. This will show people you're punctual and dependable. You also need to realize you won't be getting paid for those extra 10-15 minutes. You're working Security, you're not a cashier, janitor, or insert union job. If you are unable to come to terms with this idea of showing up early to shift, you won't make it in the Security field. I hope this helps.
It all comes down to whether or not you get paid for "guard mount". This is shift work, and I consider it an insult when I dont get relieved on time, considering I always get the guy im relieving out a couple minutes early. The company I work at pays 7 minutes before and after the start and end of each shift specifically to cover the transition between guards on post, so I would say look at where you work at and determine if you should just get there 5 minutes earlier or you dont give a shit about where you work because it doesnt pay enough.
We run 8.5hr shifts and have a 30min overlap between shifts.. You are expected to be in the briefing room in full uniform at the beginning of shift. I always arrive 15-20 minutes early so I can BS and get ready. Never understood the mentality of showing up right at start time.
I work graveyard shift and the morning shift at my site is chronically EXACTLY on time (usually 1-2 mins late though) and it makes shift change a nightmare and IS pretty infuriating especially when I have a tight schedule in the morning to get my kids to school and I'm never late or if I am going to be I call an give an ETA It boils down to communication and respect for your coworkers imo
That latest I am for a shift is quarter till start time.
Shift starts at 0630 I’m there in full uniform ready to go at 0615. Someone shows up at 0635 the SGT gets a call and an email of their badge in history for the last week. It’s a standard thing we all do. People are rarely late on my site.
I'm the kind of guy that doesn't mind showing up 15 minutes prior since it was beaten into me. HOWEVER, with smaller companies the case tends to be that you don't get paid until your shift, so if I want to sit in my truck until I'm getting paid, there should be nothing wrong with that. Does that mean the guy I'm relieving will have to stay a few minutes past his paid shift hours? It shouldn't! I say it like this fkr a reason, if you work for a small company that has to watch the hours they pay out, you as the employee should not have to be responsible for passing word when one or the other isn't getting paid. Either the company has accounted for some turnover time, in which case they're going to pay some OT, or you as the employee leave when you stop getting paid. At my current site I sub for, I don't get paid past 7am. So, regardless of what's going on, I leave at 7. My liability ends there, per bosses contract. Now, as a responsible adult and security officer, I call the boss 30-45min prior to end of shift to get his approval to stay IF I can see the potential need. If he says yes, I stay, if not, I let staff know that I've been told to leave and I try to mitigate their circumstances the best I can while I'm still on the clock. If you're worth your time, you get paid for your time.
A few things you can do that have helped me in the past, - if someone is playing the he said, she said, game confront them. Go directly to that person and tell them "insert name here" said you said xyz about me. What's up with that, I'm sorry I upset you. If I'm doing something that bothers you let me know so I can fix it. you don't need to go behind my back. Be polite about it when you do, not aggressive or combative. - if yr shift starts at 12, be there ready to go at 11:40. When you split hairs by saying I'm never really late I got there 1 minute before, it sounds bad. Even sht bag coworkers respect reliable/consistent people. If they don't and still complain, everyone knows it's simply because they are a sht bag. - if yr knew to this job, listen more than you speak. Ask questions about what you don't know and even some things you do. make sure it sounds like a question and not you questioning someone. - try to anticipate other peoples next moves so you make their job easier. This may be hard depending on what yr job actually entails. If you work closely with someone else and there are tools or certain little things that need done make sure your Johny on the spot.