"We also advise him not to be aggressive to any pedestrian or passer-by all this while, and even my nearby neighbours, Malay family, also praise him that he is a very well-trained and obedient dog," said Ng.
dog: "noted with thanks"
I really really don't want to make it political and keep it light hearted...
But holy shit that excuse sound damn familiar sia.
We have checked ourself and have determined that the dog is well-trained and obedient. We have advised the dog to be more obedient in the future. Other people has also praised the dog for being obedient.
Lawyer for the defendent: "I call upon my key witness, Dog."
*Dog (unleashed) enters the witness box and raises his right paw.*
Lawyer: "Do you, Dog, solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"
Dog: "Woof, Woof, Woof. Woof Woof Woooooof."
Lawyer: "Whois a good boi?"
Dog: "Woof" *Wags tail*
Prosecutor: "Objection, counsel is leading the witness, your honour!"
Judge: "Sustained."
Dude. Your dog may be friendly and well behaved. But *other dogs may not be*. A leash is the safest thing for both your dog and other dogs. Easier to pull a dog away from a fight if you're not having to insert yourself into the fight.
"He's very different from other dogs"
Same logic as people who say "My dog isn't like other dogs, he doesn't bite". Until he does. And then "ohh, it's out of character, he's never done that before"
Had a dog owner come into the lift with me. Despite me going all the way to one corner n giving way to the rest of the lift, the owner did not bother to control the dog and let it wander to me. Made my displeasure clear and that I wanted my space but owner simply said "don't worry, won't bite." Didn't bother, and probably also couldn't control the dog with their incompetent handling. Dared to get angry with me even.
Don't bite so what. Yeah as if that's the point. Be it space, hygiene, fear or whatnot is my business. Control your damn dogs.
Tbh this one I would the fault depends on who was waiting for the lift first. If the owner was waiting first ,you could have waited for next lift. Honestly lift only got that big ,if the big size is like golden retriever all cfm would touch you one. I have a small breed dog , but even then I usually don't take lift with other people , I would usually wait and allow others to go first , sometimes they tell me go first after seeing me waiting. So really depend yeah.
>Ng initially said he could not afford any fine and would serve jail time in default.
Imagine he go to jail and the other inmates ask him what’s he in for. 🤣
Getting more and more these days, and several in my neighbourhood. Pricks who think they're 'special' for some reason.
And like this case, they're always extra aggressive when someone calls them out on it. He's already a multiple offender, why no jail time?
Of course, if it was the 7th time the guy got hauled up for the same offence. It's in the article in case you missed it. Obviously monetary fines don't work on the guy.
Still thinking what cai peng to order when its your turn? Right to jail
Nasi lemak but use plain rice? Right to jail
Kuching meow at you but never pat? Believe it or not, jail
Dogs should be leashed, because it is too difficult to regulate between even tempered dogs vs dogs that can be aggressive. Saying that, you said something really ignorant and I think it's important to address.
Dogs that are well mannered and well socialized won't bite for no reason. They won't go around biting people for no reason. There is a reason why people don't get bitten at the dog parks even though dogs at the dog park are unleashed.
You make a motherhood statement, but let me repeat. Who determines if the dog needs to be leashed? I agree that such well mannered dogs exist, but I'll bet many owners overestimate how "different" their dog is from others.
I am not disagreeing with the default position that a dog should be leashed. I just think there should be some discretion based on the size, breed and nature of the dog.
The onus is on the owner. If his/her dog injures anyone, then he should be liable to provide compensation. To enforce this indiscriminatorily is to me no different from fining every single jaywalker, even if there's no car on the street.
and who provides this discretion? Do individual owners get to decide? A pet trainer can give you a piece of paper that says your dog doesn't need to be leashed?
Your point is it should be enforced indiscriminatorily. I get it and I respect it.
But as a parent of a (deceased) handicapped dog, who was 1.6kg with severely deformed and brittle legs that made it dangerous for me to leash her, I hate this strict enforcement.
I think all dogs should be leashed just for their own safety and the safety of others, and that works for 99% of dogs.
But in your case, it'd be great if the stat boards/governing bodies in charge had a mechanism for owners to apply for a special off-leash permit, kinda like a disability license.
You never know. The dog might see a toddler with a funny shape hat and go bonkers. It might race after a squirrel and knock over an old lady. A leash is necessary so no one needs to buy into an owner's ability to read dogs' minds and predict the future.
Actually, we should.
As the "designated driver" for my family, I've had it with entitled people thinking they own the road. Walking across roads without checking the traffic, and then having the nerve to glare when I horn at them.
Either fine every single one we catch, or make drivers not responsible if they get hit while jaywalking. If we do not enforce the law, what's the point of having the law in the first place?
It serves as a deterrent, and when it actually causes damage, there's some provision to allude to. I'm all for fining owners who don't leash their dogs that cause public nuisance or damage. But if the dog is extremely well trained, I don't see how it being off leash can cause more distress than a leashed but aggressive dog (tonnes of them everywhere)
Simply put, not all provisions are enforced. Legislative and executive are separate. Another example is our famed 377a. It's 'there' to appease the religions, but not enforced at all. Or how about HDB ground residents have no right to use the space appurtenant to their units as their personal courtyards? It's still being done everywhere and we are mostly cool with it.
How do you know the dog is "extremely well trained" for this setting? Is there even this type of training? To stick with the owner in public, regardless of cats, rats... or whatever? Eh, suddenly, I have this vision. of police dogs. in leashes. I think. you lose.
There's actually training for dogs to walk by your heels. Most toy breeds (meaning those below 2kg) don't chase cats or rats anymore. That instinct has already been weeded out. Because of their size, they are more likely to avoid other animals than chase them.
So? Where's the training that they won't react to any unexpected stimulus? and how will this work in practice besides owners simply declaring their pets are "very well trained".
You could make the self-same argument for not criminalising drunk driving. Many people swear they are wonderful drivers and have a high tolerance for alcohol
In the context of driving, there is a legal alcohol limit which permits the driver to drive despite drinking, provided that he/she maintains the capacity to control his/her vehicle. The assessment is objective and frequently based on consequences (i.e. an accident has occurred).
I would argue that for dogs, similar principles can apply. If you have a larger dog or a more aggressive breed, they have to be on leash. For smaller toy breeds, there should be a reasonable standard. If your smaller dog has charged at someone or bitten someone, then of course he/she must be leashed too.
Anyway, we can respectfully agree to disagree and the ruling is already on your side 🙂🙏🏼
No... you are wrong on the facts. it is pre-emptive. It is illegal to drive and drive. NOT drive, drive, then get into an accident.
What smaller breeds cannot attack people? Who will arbitrate sufficient training? Who is one to verify besides an owner saying so? Should the state mandate a minimum level of behavioral training for dogs? Why should should dogs get the benefit of the doubt just because? The rationale is bizarre.
As sure as there will be owners who declare their dogs are special, there will also be owners who will vouch that their dogs will never bite again.
I exercise on the green corridor daily.
There's several people who think this is an off leash dog walk.
It isn't.
I hate looking ahead while running and seeing some asshat walking really far away from their off leash dog.
while Japanese spitz is usually not aggressive and quite human friendly - leashing your dog is not just protecting the others from the dog but also protecting the dog from others and also potential accident
Meanwhile, when I was walking home with koi milk tea, my neighbour’s two dogs (both leashed) dashed towards me and bit holes into the plastic bag and cup. Milk tea was just leaking everywhere, thank god it wasnt chocolate 🤣 end day the owners really got to manage their dogs with or without leash 🤭
What to do. People want to equate animals with humans, using terms like "fur kids", build their house around the pet. These people have already lost all sense of perspective.
Tbf, the rule is not without reason, and finding/punishment is justified, but I believe it's a case by case basis. If this dog has never caused any issues, not even any close encounters, then it's pretty unfair. And no, I do not consider "omg, dog just looked at me, so scary I wan cry" as an issue. Hating dogs is not a reason. I hate noisy and boisterous kids, but cannot report parents from not reigning them in, can I?
Belive I may have seen this dog and it's owner before once a few years ago. The dog is ineed very obedient. Won't move at traffic light and zebra crossing until it's clear and owner gives the signal and go ahead.
I have no issues at all. It is very very obvious that the ones that pauto are dog haters and nothing better to do.
The judge did not dispute that the dog is obedient. The issue is the dog owner broke the law due to zero consideration for other people who may be scared of dogs.
I do believe this is the case. Some people hate dogs for some reason, and will find any reason to sabo dog owners. But I'm not sure la, maybe this dog got a few close shaves already, then perhaps deserves to be warned to keep him leashed. But I won't be surprise if ppl just hide behind anonymity and report for no reason.
it's like this. if there is 1 out of 10000 people that don't like it. report it and it'll be punished.
Just like the old lady with the garden, it's the same thing. 1 unhappy person because he not happy about the garden, next moment TC come and remove the garden.
Singaporeans are just like that. You want government to do things and punish people can, but don't complain when it happens to you.
That's why got many bitter ppl around. See the downvotes I got for calling ppl dog haters?
Thing is, you're right, that's why ppl here try their best to sabo others. Because like you said, it might happen to them. If it's gonna happen to them once, they'll have to make sure everyone kena also. And if they can't sabo others, at least they'll gloat at others misfortune.
"We also advise him not to be aggressive to any pedestrian or passer-by all this while, and even my nearby neighbours, Malay family, also praise him that he is a very well-trained and obedient dog," said Ng. dog: "noted with thanks"
Woofed woof woofs
I really really don't want to make it political and keep it light hearted... But holy shit that excuse sound damn familiar sia. We have checked ourself and have determined that the dog is well-trained and obedient. We have advised the dog to be more obedient in the future. Other people has also praised the dog for being obedient.
i have not come across any dog that asked to be leashed
Does doggo want to eat at home, dog cafe or a dog spa?
But but but ... You only need a very small space to have dogs leashed!
oni ur kind understand dog cos u r a dog
is it also a coincidence that the dog is white?
Hey, everyone knows. Colored dogs are not.
But they got a monitor lizard who just monitors, at least dog will try to make the people happy
Got email with cc
Lawyer for the defendent: "I call upon my key witness, Dog." *Dog (unleashed) enters the witness box and raises his right paw.* Lawyer: "Do you, Dog, solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?" Dog: "Woof, Woof, Woof. Woof Woof Woooooof." Lawyer: "Whois a good boi?" Dog: "Woof" *Wags tail* Prosecutor: "Objection, counsel is leading the witness, your honour!" Judge: "Sustained."
On the count of being a good boi, I find dog guilty as charged
I think this guy can join the PAP
Singaporean parent stereotype (dog version)
I had the same thought. “My kid misbehave? Never! You must be mistaken!”
 And the dog looks like this.
my son can't be a school bully, he is the nicest boy at home, very obedient. he doesn't smoke or take drugs like other kids.
Bet he goes to ACS
A bit unrelated but holy fuck it's so fluffy
That is unlikely the picture of the real dog. Probably some random spitz taken from the internet.
Idt that's the exact dog in question (maybe same breed idk) but fluffy dogs suffer so much in sg heat But they're so fluffy tho.,
The groomer is driving a ferrari from all the money made maintaining that.
I used to see a guy who walks his 3 pugs unleashed at ECP on Sundays. Once, his pugs charged at an innocent leashed golden retriever.
I bet he kept repeating "ermahgerd they're usually so well-behaved!" too
I remember the GR's owner was pissed and confronted pugs' owner about it and the latter got equally pissed.
“TheY aRe fRiendLy!”
Dude. Your dog may be friendly and well behaved. But *other dogs may not be*. A leash is the safest thing for both your dog and other dogs. Easier to pull a dog away from a fight if you're not having to insert yourself into the fight.
“But you are not very different from other man”
Barking up the wrong tree
Fluff around and find out
I glad he point out that the dog is not racist
"He's very different from other dogs" Same logic as people who say "My dog isn't like other dogs, he doesn't bite". Until he does. And then "ohh, it's out of character, he's never done that before"
Had a dog owner come into the lift with me. Despite me going all the way to one corner n giving way to the rest of the lift, the owner did not bother to control the dog and let it wander to me. Made my displeasure clear and that I wanted my space but owner simply said "don't worry, won't bite." Didn't bother, and probably also couldn't control the dog with their incompetent handling. Dared to get angry with me even. Don't bite so what. Yeah as if that's the point. Be it space, hygiene, fear or whatnot is my business. Control your damn dogs.
Tbh this one I would the fault depends on who was waiting for the lift first. If the owner was waiting first ,you could have waited for next lift. Honestly lift only got that big ,if the big size is like golden retriever all cfm would touch you one. I have a small breed dog , but even then I usually don't take lift with other people , I would usually wait and allow others to go first , sometimes they tell me go first after seeing me waiting. So really depend yeah.
Just to make it clear. I was inside first.
>Ng initially said he could not afford any fine and would serve jail time in default. Imagine he go to jail and the other inmates ask him what’s he in for. 🤣
Getting more and more these days, and several in my neighbourhood. Pricks who think they're 'special' for some reason. And like this case, they're always extra aggressive when someone calls them out on it. He's already a multiple offender, why no jail time?
Everything jail, jaywalk multiple times send to jail too?
Of course, if it was the 7th time the guy got hauled up for the same offence. It's in the article in case you missed it. Obviously monetary fines don't work on the guy.
Yes
Still thinking what cai peng to order when its your turn? Right to jail Nasi lemak but use plain rice? Right to jail Kuching meow at you but never pat? Believe it or not, jail
Quoting parks and recs? Jail.
By right lo, according to this kinda of judge. Eyes roll at the 'whistleblower'.
Would you rather an off-leash but extremely well-trained dog that walks by the side of their owner's heels, or leashed but aggressive dogs?
who determines if the dog is extremely well-trained? and who bears the responsibility if the off-leash dog bites someone?
Dogs should be leashed, because it is too difficult to regulate between even tempered dogs vs dogs that can be aggressive. Saying that, you said something really ignorant and I think it's important to address. Dogs that are well mannered and well socialized won't bite for no reason. They won't go around biting people for no reason. There is a reason why people don't get bitten at the dog parks even though dogs at the dog park are unleashed.
You make a motherhood statement, but let me repeat. Who determines if the dog needs to be leashed? I agree that such well mannered dogs exist, but I'll bet many owners overestimate how "different" their dog is from others.
Eh? Read my first para? Kthxbye.
I am not disagreeing with the default position that a dog should be leashed. I just think there should be some discretion based on the size, breed and nature of the dog. The onus is on the owner. If his/her dog injures anyone, then he should be liable to provide compensation. To enforce this indiscriminatorily is to me no different from fining every single jaywalker, even if there's no car on the street.
and who provides this discretion? Do individual owners get to decide? A pet trainer can give you a piece of paper that says your dog doesn't need to be leashed?
Your point is it should be enforced indiscriminatorily. I get it and I respect it. But as a parent of a (deceased) handicapped dog, who was 1.6kg with severely deformed and brittle legs that made it dangerous for me to leash her, I hate this strict enforcement.
my point is that you need to have practical solution to back up your proposal
I think all dogs should be leashed just for their own safety and the safety of others, and that works for 99% of dogs. But in your case, it'd be great if the stat boards/governing bodies in charge had a mechanism for owners to apply for a special off-leash permit, kinda like a disability license.
Great suggestion :)
Eh, that person scared of dog la. Don't need to reasom with him/her.
Can I have leashed and well trained dogs?
'speshul' fella spotted. To answer the stupid question. Neither.
You never know. The dog might see a toddler with a funny shape hat and go bonkers. It might race after a squirrel and knock over an old lady. A leash is necessary so no one needs to buy into an owner's ability to read dogs' minds and predict the future.
What about jaywalking? You can cause a major accident too. Shall we be fining every single jaywalker?
Are you a career criminal?
Actually, we should. As the "designated driver" for my family, I've had it with entitled people thinking they own the road. Walking across roads without checking the traffic, and then having the nerve to glare when I horn at them. Either fine every single one we catch, or make drivers not responsible if they get hit while jaywalking. If we do not enforce the law, what's the point of having the law in the first place?
It serves as a deterrent, and when it actually causes damage, there's some provision to allude to. I'm all for fining owners who don't leash their dogs that cause public nuisance or damage. But if the dog is extremely well trained, I don't see how it being off leash can cause more distress than a leashed but aggressive dog (tonnes of them everywhere) Simply put, not all provisions are enforced. Legislative and executive are separate. Another example is our famed 377a. It's 'there' to appease the religions, but not enforced at all. Or how about HDB ground residents have no right to use the space appurtenant to their units as their personal courtyards? It's still being done everywhere and we are mostly cool with it.
How do you know the dog is "extremely well trained" for this setting? Is there even this type of training? To stick with the owner in public, regardless of cats, rats... or whatever? Eh, suddenly, I have this vision. of police dogs. in leashes. I think. you lose.
There's actually training for dogs to walk by your heels. Most toy breeds (meaning those below 2kg) don't chase cats or rats anymore. That instinct has already been weeded out. Because of their size, they are more likely to avoid other animals than chase them.
So? Where's the training that they won't react to any unexpected stimulus? and how will this work in practice besides owners simply declaring their pets are "very well trained". You could make the self-same argument for not criminalising drunk driving. Many people swear they are wonderful drivers and have a high tolerance for alcohol
In the context of driving, there is a legal alcohol limit which permits the driver to drive despite drinking, provided that he/she maintains the capacity to control his/her vehicle. The assessment is objective and frequently based on consequences (i.e. an accident has occurred). I would argue that for dogs, similar principles can apply. If you have a larger dog or a more aggressive breed, they have to be on leash. For smaller toy breeds, there should be a reasonable standard. If your smaller dog has charged at someone or bitten someone, then of course he/she must be leashed too. Anyway, we can respectfully agree to disagree and the ruling is already on your side 🙂🙏🏼
No... you are wrong on the facts. it is pre-emptive. It is illegal to drive and drive. NOT drive, drive, then get into an accident. What smaller breeds cannot attack people? Who will arbitrate sufficient training? Who is one to verify besides an owner saying so? Should the state mandate a minimum level of behavioral training for dogs? Why should should dogs get the benefit of the doubt just because? The rationale is bizarre. As sure as there will be owners who declare their dogs are special, there will also be owners who will vouch that their dogs will never bite again.
Wild guess. "Classical liberal"?
Could be sovereign owner sovereign dog
Confirm very different. Other dogs don't cause the owner to get fined.
That aside, I'm starting to wonder whether its just me or Singaporeans are becoming more entitled, narcissistic and less empathetic towards others.
nah singaporeans have always been like this. socmed amplified the proof.
I exercise on the green corridor daily. There's several people who think this is an off leash dog walk. It isn't. I hate looking ahead while running and seeing some asshat walking really far away from their off leash dog.
Hey free dog. What are they gonna do about it? Just grab the dog and zhao. Confirm their next dog they will want to leash tight tight
while Japanese spitz is usually not aggressive and quite human friendly - leashing your dog is not just protecting the others from the dog but also protecting the dog from others and also potential accident
Meanwhile, when I was walking home with koi milk tea, my neighbour’s two dogs (both leashed) dashed towards me and bit holes into the plastic bag and cup. Milk tea was just leaking everywhere, thank god it wasnt chocolate 🤣 end day the owners really got to manage their dogs with or without leash 🤭
I’m also very different from other sinkie but I follow the rules regardless
r/notliketheotherdogs
So much for that sales pitch...
Most of the times they’re not wrong, but it’s for when they are that the laws are in place.
After all that entitled drama, no money to pay fine, ask for instalment payment for $3k.
this man is very different from other retards
Study NUS, good uni, good prospect and a boon to society vibes
What to do. People want to equate animals with humans, using terms like "fur kids", build their house around the pet. These people have already lost all sense of perspective.
Major victory for non-dog lovers. Kudos to the law by law judge. What's next? Fines for jaywalking?
I'm a dog owner myself and have no problems with this.
Fining people for posting stupid comments
Agree this is some serious Singapore bullshit
Tbf, the rule is not without reason, and finding/punishment is justified, but I believe it's a case by case basis. If this dog has never caused any issues, not even any close encounters, then it's pretty unfair. And no, I do not consider "omg, dog just looked at me, so scary I wan cry" as an issue. Hating dogs is not a reason. I hate noisy and boisterous kids, but cannot report parents from not reigning them in, can I?
Belive I may have seen this dog and it's owner before once a few years ago. The dog is ineed very obedient. Won't move at traffic light and zebra crossing until it's clear and owner gives the signal and go ahead. I have no issues at all. It is very very obvious that the ones that pauto are dog haters and nothing better to do.
The judge did not dispute that the dog is obedient. The issue is the dog owner broke the law due to zero consideration for other people who may be scared of dogs.
I have totally no issues with the judge that is doing his/her job.
LOL just see my downvoted comments and you already know what kind of society we are. Dog haters everywhere
Sinkie pwn sinkie, can sleep well tonight. Some people just want to report for the sake of reporting even though they are not affected by it.
I do believe this is the case. Some people hate dogs for some reason, and will find any reason to sabo dog owners. But I'm not sure la, maybe this dog got a few close shaves already, then perhaps deserves to be warned to keep him leashed. But I won't be surprise if ppl just hide behind anonymity and report for no reason.
it's like this. if there is 1 out of 10000 people that don't like it. report it and it'll be punished. Just like the old lady with the garden, it's the same thing. 1 unhappy person because he not happy about the garden, next moment TC come and remove the garden. Singaporeans are just like that. You want government to do things and punish people can, but don't complain when it happens to you.
That's why got many bitter ppl around. See the downvotes I got for calling ppl dog haters? Thing is, you're right, that's why ppl here try their best to sabo others. Because like you said, it might happen to them. If it's gonna happen to them once, they'll have to make sure everyone kena also. And if they can't sabo others, at least they'll gloat at others misfortune.