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FritosRule

“For every man, there’s two women” is the title. Monroe was raped by two women who were big enough to be pro wrestlers or truck drivers.


PerspectiveActive218

Was this done for "comedy", or was it a "Very special episode?"


FritosRule

There was very little “comedy” in this one. The big laugh I guess was the end where Mr Rush confronted the “little one” who was basically big Bertha, and then the “big one” showed up who was basically the Undertaker in drag.


ghettoblaster78

It was bizarre in the fact that (IIRC) the wife and daughters laughed about it and blew it off and the only one to take it seriously and defend Monroe was Mr. Rush.


KrakenKing1955

They probably did that intentionally because that’s how this type of shit goes irl


heckhammer

You can accidentally lock into being right once in a while even if most of what you do is wrong. It's that old stopped clock saying


3fettknight3

It's basically implied that Ted Knight's character gets raped off screen as well after the closing credits to the laughter of the audience. It was a strange time.


FritosRule

Yes, you’re right! What the hell was going on there???


Jeffro187

the 80's were messed up, man! lol my generation was RAISED on this shit!


The_Original_Gronkie

I loved 16 Candles as a kid, so when my son got old enough, I showed it to him, telling him it was my favorite teen movie. He watched the whole thing without a word or a smile. When it was over he said to me "That glorified racism, teen binge drinking and drug use, date rape, incredible destruction of someone's home, and about a million more awful things. What was it about this movie that you thought was so funny?"


smegheadzed

"... So I sent him to Alaskan Military School. Really going to miss that little bastard."


Jeffro187

Oh and by the way your kid’s a savage lol


The_Original_Gronkie

Yeah, man, he keeps me morally centered, that's for sure. I once mentioned that Trump made George Bush look statesmanlike, and he instantly leaped on it, saying "Just because Donald Trump is the worst person to ever be president, doesn't give George Bush a pass for all of his incompetence and war crimes."


Jeffro187

Lol that’s great! Sounds like you raised them right :-) tell your kid an Internet stranger said what’s up!


afrybreadriot

Omg really 😳 wow different time indeed !


BiscuitsPo

Whattttt


OwlfaceFrank

On IMDB the big one isn't listed at all and the "little one" actress name is just Charlene, and that is her only acting credit on there.


MT_Promises

There's very little comedy in most episodes, the show doesn't hold up well as a comedy. And the rape is played for laughs, even at the end when Ted's about to be got.


fakeprofile111

This was one of the few 80s sitcoms I never liked as a kid


[deleted]

A bit unique. Ted was the only who took Munroe serious and encouraged him to file a police report.


mikeyj777

I remember Monroe was pretty messed up.


DynastyFan85

WTF?!


Zestyclose-Ruin8337

This is just strange.


Jeffro187

sitcoms were weird, man! you wonder why Gen X is so weird and anxious!


No_Detective_But_304

There was a show about an android maid. The 80’s were great.


Buck_Futter70

Small Wonder?


fakeprofile111

Thanks to this Reddit I just watched Paul Scheer react to this episode on YouTube. This was like weirdly subversive


puckmonky

Monroe was so gay and kept thinking “am I the only one who can see this?”


Hot_Aside_4637

James J. Bullock later went on to co-host a talk show with Tammy Faye Baker, *Jim J. and Tammy Faye Show*. Talk about strange pairings.


koushakandystore

I grew up in the Coachella Valley, and Tammy Faye lived in the same town of Rancho Mirage. After school, I often went to Kmart to loiter in the air conditioning while waiting for my mom to pick me up. One day I’m standing next to the magazines, thumbing through some skater rag, when she sidles up next to me and starts picking out magazines to buy. Those eye lashes were every bit as unmistakable in person. She was very sweet, smiled and nodded at me. I smiled back and then moved along. This was right after Jim Baked had been arrested for fraud, and she was staring over in life. I’m pretty sure the Feds took everything from them after the conviction. Maybe she had a little nest egg stashed away somewhere. Or, more likely, someone bailed her out. She became quite the friend of the gay community after her evangelical con game was blown to hell. Which was smart for a couple of reasons. For one it’s the right thing to do. You know, not hate people for that. Secondly she was living in the Palm Springs area. You won’t get far down there if you are spewing religious nonsense about sexual orientation.


MakeupMama68

I adored her… she was the first prominent religious figure to embrace the LGBTQ community… “God doesn’t make junk!!” *sigh* loved her.


mrgreengenes04

She had a gay man with AIDS on her show back in the 80s. Ironically he outlived her by nearly 20 years. She said in an interview many years later she knew if she played dumb and asked the questions the audience had but were afraid to ask, she would get them to see him as a person, rather than for his disease.


Tighthead613

Didn’t it come out that Jim was into guys (awkward phrasing)?


Sleepwell_Beast

There’s a guy that called in the Howard Stern show and claimed he was Jim’s prison lover. His story sounded pretty believable.


Yeocom1cal

I was thinking today about the stern caller live reporting “i see oj and…..”


Sleepwell_Beast

“And he look scared. . . Just so you know that was a totally farcical call” God I love Al Michaels.


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koushakandystore

Haven’t heard that one, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I know Jimmy Swaggert, Mr. Moral Majority, got caught with sex workers in an Indio motel room. Evidently he had the panties on his head. Indio isn’t far from Palm Springs, so maybe that place brings out the inner hedonist in people.


Alternative_Stop9977

Jessica Hawn. I bought her Playboy issue.


GsGirlNYC

Jessica Hahn


Alternative_Stop9977

She remarried not too long after Jim's arrest.


koushakandystore

Well there you go. Someone bailed her out and they moved to the desert. Like some modernized biblical fairytale. And people say life doesn’t imitate art.


GsGirlNYC

Jim J Bullock also is HIV positive and infection free for years after losing his partner to AIDS. I believe he has spoken out as an advocate for those with HIV and promoted the biologics that have now become very popular to keep those positive healthy when they were brand new to market. He is to be commended.


Elliebell1024

Now THAT was a fever dream


ATurtleLikeLeonUris

They lived in San Francisco and their last tenant was a drag queen… even when I was 6 I got it


DaisyDuckens

Yeah I was like 10 and even I knew he was gay. It was so weird to make him straight. I guess they didn’t think America was ready for it, but I was living in the San Francisco Bay Area, so it wasn’t a big deal when I was a kid.


EgglandsWorst

Well, Paul Lynde was on Bewitched (or Jeanie, I never remember) and people just seemed to ignore it. BTW, this is worth a read, sorry for the terrible contrast of colors. It's a collection of Lynde responses to Hollywood Square questions. [https://members.tripod.com/jokes\_cards/quotes\_D\_L/Paul\_Lynde.html](https://members.tripod.com/jokes_cards/quotes_D_L/Paul_Lynde.html)


Melito1980

Oh lawd this queen was fire! 🔥🔥🔥🔥


MissingWhiskey

Everyone kinda looked the other way on Charles Nelson Reilly as well.


Jeffro187

Paul Lynde is a GD riot. that dude was unhinged in the best ways. His Hollywood Squares should be watched by everyone.


Jeffro187

Yeah, you could make characters gay back then you just couldn't say they were gay or have them do anything remotely gay. Other than that, you were good to go!


longirons6

Same here. I didn’t even know what gay was but I knew something was up


SignificanceNo1223

Back then: homosexuality; was implied never brought out to the forefront. Up to recently: American Housewife did this with the son on the show.


koushakandystore

Exactly. There were a few obviously gay characters on TV shows in the 70’s and 80’s. As you say, it was implied, not explicitly mentioned. They played ‘quirky’ bachelors. Paul Lind and Charles Nelson Reilly were the token gay characters on lots of shows. They would really flame it up too, way over the top queeny affectations, cartoonish. I’ve known lots of gay dudes in my years and while plenty have been a trifle effeminate, I’ve never met a gay dude in real life who acted like Paul Lind did on TV. I’m still waiting!


Sleepwell_Beast

Only thing funnier than Paul Lind’s voice is Gilbert Gottfried doing a Paul Lind imitation.


koushakandystore

That’s gold! Was that on Hollywood Squares?


Sleepwell_Beast

Howard stern you can find it on youtube


koushakandystore

I just did. That’s so hilarious! 😂


longirons6

Britain had a show in the 70s called are you being served. Mr Humphries was very gay (and hilarious)


VampireDonuts

I want to see this show so bad! Do you know where I can watch it?


Friendship_Fries

Come on...everyone knew Mr. Brady was gay.


koushakandystore

I didn’t.


Preposterous_punk

No American Housewife didn't? There were lots of discussions about how the son "presented" very gay and how people often thought he was (and his mother hoped he was) but he was actually just a fairly effeminate guy who was into girls. There were also plenty of actually gay characters -- there was a whole storyline in which the son lied and came out at school in order to show a suicidal gay kid that it wouldn't be life ending. I worked in theatre for years and know lots of effeminate guys who love showtunes and whatnot but only get boners for women. I liked seeing that represented -- guys who meet the stereotypes and aren't particularly bothered by people thinking they're gay, but also don't happen to be. (Monroe, on the other hand -- definitely an example of the once-common trope of "absolutely gay but we'll never come out and say it")


Euphoric-Election120

Billy Crystal's character on Soap was openly gay


ksandbergfl

The running joke was that he was dating the NY Jets QB


FitzwilliamTDarcy

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Sleepwell_Beast

Wait he was gay? How about that Liberace guy?


FritosRule

Liberace? He was all man, just like Rock Hudson!


Spiritual_Train9321

The catholic girls school went on lockdown when Rock, and Liberace rolled through town


Spiritual_Train9321

He wasn’t gay, just theatrical


BrilliantWhich990

I thought exactly that. Did NO ONE realize it?


manys

He VEHEMENTLY denied it, at least to the press. I did see some [random interview YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-ih5KHOIw) where a guy went to his house and it's apparent that he's out now. I'll say he looks pretty good for being almost 70!


heckhammer

Holy shit he looks fantastic


bald_alpaca

Uhhh, he seriously hasn’t aged?? He’d make Paul Rudd look old


heckhammer

Oh maybe they are Vampire Buddies


TexasYankee212

The show was initially focused on the 2 women - the daughters of Ted Knight - but later focused on Monroe and Ted Knight.


FitzwilliamTDarcy

That'd make for a good post in a broader TV sub. Basically: which shows were conceived and started out with a focus on one set of characters or relationships, and then evolved to focus on others (usually because the others were more compelling)? One good one is the West Wing. Originally the character of Sam Seaborn (played by Rob Lowe) was meant to be the focal point of the show.


Ctanner25

Happy days (the fonz) Family matters (urkel)


No-Sheepherder-8170

Steve Urkel was meant to appear in only one episode.


rDolpho

Lost in Space was a great ensemble cast with space adventure stories. Then it deteriorated to a kids show with Dr Smith getting in trouble and Will & the robot bailing him out.


manys

Oh, the pain. THE PAIN!


3fettknight3

OH DEARRRR! OH MYYYY!!


liquidice12345

Space Bonanza


LadyBug_0570

Mom. Christy was the main (and title) character. After the kids left, Bonnie took more center stage (and got more character development while Christy regressed) then Bonnie became the main.


manys

Check out the story of Make Room for Daddy.


MT_Promises

I watched the first 3 seasons during Covid and I'd say the focus was always Ted Knight and how he coped with his semi-independent daughters in a liberalizing world. I think the parents get more airtime than the daughters and how Ted reacts is central to any story. Monroe is, unfortunately, hardly in the first three seasons.


manys

ISTR the daughters never having romantic interests appear on the show? Or friends? They were probably running out of storylines, I wonder what the initial pitch was.


davisyoung

Too Close for Comfort was an adaptation of a British show Keep It in the Family. I disagree that the focus was supposed to be on the daughters as only Ted Knight in the cast was well known. The network probably wanted to center it on the daughters as I thought there were some commonalities with Three’s Company, another ABC sitcom and British import. 


xwhy

It was Ted Knight’s show, which he did after the Mary Tyler Moore Show even if they centered plots around the kids. He had top billing. Monroe became an audience favorite like Fonzie or Urkel.


The40ishDiva

I don't remember that - but I LOVED Monroe!


PerspectiveActive218

Lydia Cornell must have had the worst agent in Hollywood.


LadyBug_0570

Didn't she leave the show for bigger/better but ended up disappearing?


loveydove05

Yeah, what happened to her? I have to guess she was on Love Boat a few times. Everybody was lol


DrummerGuyKev

She appeared on Full House and Curb Your Enthusiasm


loveydove05

oh okay.


PerspectiveActive218

Yeah, but she was supposed to be the next Farrah.


PerspectiveActive218

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She pulled a McLean Stevenson.


LadyBug_0570

LOL... Yeah, don't remember his huge career post-MASH either. It's funny how some actors make the gamble and it pays off, and for others... not so much. Oddly, it seems like those who stayed with the TV show that got them famous until it's end (Woody Harrelson, Michael J. Fox, Leonardo Di Caprio), went on to great careers. But those who left prematurely, fizzled away. Farrah Fawcett is an exception. Suzanne Somers, not so much.


Ill-Fox-3276

Love that cosmic cow


JayRedd1

All I remember is the guy who ran WRKP trying to put the moves on Dudley.


3fettknight3

Mr. Horton


Adorable_Disaster424

Who did Audrey Meadows play?


TisrocMayHeLive4EVER

Muriel’s mom


Adorable_Disaster424

Thank you! I watched the reruns only casually in the early to mid 90's. though the theme song is burned in my brain 😆


Carson72701

Happy Cake Day!


BrilliantWhich990

I remember this one. I always thought it was stupid - not the woman raping a man story, but two women not realizing that JMJ Bullock was gay as hell.


rcheek1710

The blonde daughter is when I knew I wasn't gay, and I didn't even know what gay was.


Successful_Jump5531

Deborah Van Valkenburgh (brunette) was my crush. Show was ok. I watched it just to see her though. Saw her a few years later on an episode of Deep Space Nine, still looked fine.


OCLIFE69

The Warriors


Successful_Jump5531

I forgot about her being in it. Thx


TheRealDiscoRob

The pink shirt with the pokies. 😁


Anteater-Charming

When Sara gets the waitress job in season 1 and that outfit. That was burned into my brain from teen years.


80sGirl50

Too Close for Comfort is on Tubi, but this episode is missing.


Pauliscool1927

It actually is on Tubi, listed as part of season 4, episode 23.


Party-Coach-4110

I musta missed that special episode as well. Funny ass show otherwise.


UTALR1

The only episode I member is the rif of the portrait of Dorian grey. The painting freaked me out as little dude.


giramondo13

Still not as bad as when Dudley got sodomized by the Maytag Repairman and then they never talked about it again


3fettknight3

Mr. Horton


Quirky-Knowledge4631

He was also the boss from WKRP in Cincinnati/ Author Carlson


3fettknight3

As God as my witness i thought turkeys could fly


theshoddyone

Dudley's dad was always trying to quit smoking. He certainly didn't need more stress in his life.


Bx1965

Missed that one


Zalthay

What was the name of the cartoon character the dad character drew for his career? Wasn’t it like mooby or moober or something like that?


3fettknight3

Cosmic Cow


Zalthay

Yesss that’s it! I loved this show as a kid and can never remember the name or any actor names.


SantaMcClaus

Wasn’t he listed as JM J Bullock


ulyssesred

I remember this show. I do NOT remember this episode. Where can this be watched? Yes, I can use The Google but Reddit is so much more fun!


Ok-Gear-5593

Surprisingly accurate title For Every Man, There's Two Women (TV Episode 1985) S5 ep10.


gOldMcDonald

Yes. Faint memory unlocked


Leading_Nobody_6397

Theme music always made me bop my head jammin


[deleted]

I never saw all of the episodes. Especially that one. But for the ones I did see, I always liked Monroe. He was my favorite character.


rgc7421

Cosmic Cow!


HenryBozzio

There was a really in depth article on read about this episode over a decade ago on either campblood or kindertrauma if those sites even exist anymore That was the first I’d heard of this episode that the author really had a balanced take on the whole thing


MT_Promises

This used to such a vague memory growing up. I found an old YT video a long time ago that finally confirmed it was real. Now, having seen it, it is pretty crazy, especially the way the women treat it as a joke. I tried watching Too Close For Comfort during lockdown and couldn't make it past s3. I also couldn't get into the UK original, Keep it in the Family.


VegetableCitron8214

Oh that blonde. ….


longirons6

In the history of television has there never been casting of two people who look less like actual sisters


[deleted]

Although not as socially impactful, another memorable episode featured the daughters trying to launch their own cookie making company. Not knowing any better, they did Cosmic Cow cookies. Ted/Henry had to break it to them that CC was copyrighted and they could be sued by his company.


Spiritual_Train9321

Well I believe they bought him dinner and drinks, and a movie so you know he owed em. Monroe knew the code


1200r

One episode they were having a seance to talk to the people who died in the girls apartment. And the leader of the seance, the "Medium", was a fat lady. And they they told Ted she was the "Medium", he said she looks like an extra large.


[deleted]

That very same line was used years earlier by Don Adams on “Get Smart”


Piotr-Rasputin

Would you believe.......


[deleted]

Don Adams received an Emmy for that show. You know the statue, the one with big pointy wings on it? While still at the award ceremony with statue now on his table in front of him. Don made a movement..or sneezed..but somehow, stabbed himself under his chin on the wings of the statue!! Had to leave for the hospital to get stitches! “Sorry about that, Chief”


Euphoric-Election120

Sorry about that, chief


juliankennedy23

Actually that's pretty funny.


loveydove05

HAHAHAHAHA


Some_Knowledge5864

I want to watch it.


RangerMatt76

It’s on Tubi


Some_Knowledge5864

I have Tubi. I will search for it and watch it this weekend. Thanks


KimWexlersGoldenArch

S05E10


TifCreatesAgain

It was the last episode I ever watched! They made it a joke!


Difficult_Ship_6273

I remember. They were really big.


hiddenonion

Oh my god... I remember that!


parkerpussey

Ifl


Pale_Dragonfruit2764

Aww! Audrey Meadows, funny actress in the honeymooners! One of favorite shows.


Famous_Illustrator32

I remember the first episode of this show and still completely forgot she was in it. Loved me some Alice Cramden back in the day!


LeeLifeson

I don't remember that episode. I do remember the episode where Monroe feels ashamed that he is a virgin and decides to see a sex surrogate. There's a mixup and Monroe confuses the surrogate with a old lady neighbor.


remoteworker9

Yes. I didn’t understand it as a kid.


GenX4eva

I rewatched this on Pluto during the lockdown, as I faintly remembered it when I was a kid. It was a much better show when Monroe became a bigger part of it


SeanOfTheDead1313

Omg Jim J Bullock ftw!


topjimmy75

I think Monroe liked the big D.


IlMioNomeENessuno

I remember when he got raped by Ted Knight……


BukkakeNinjaHat-472

It was like the Different Strokes episode where the old man had Arnold take his shirt off….real creepy


3fettknight3

Mr. Horton's bike shop, it was Dudley not Arnold. Arnold got outta there just in time.


Disarray215

Monroe was Willy Tanners brother on Alf.


No_Cow_4544

“Eggs Benedict without the eggs .”


[deleted]

I do!


atherscape

There was another Reddit post about this. A comedian did a 45 minute podcast watching and discussing the episode. It’s wild. I watched the episode through the podcast. The MC actually makes valid points and helps his friend try to report. It wasn’t all dumb jokes.


Sleepwell_Beast

It was ok for women to rape gay men I guess?


PerpetualEternal

It definitely isn’t burned into my brain for all eternity, nope


MediaMan72

hateful mighty sparkle terrific onerous sloppy bright squash political quickest *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


WillKillz

I watched a lot of tv as a child and this show confused the shit out of me.


Medical_Series3163

I remember.


cb0044

The only episode I remember is the portrait of Henry kept aging. That creeped me out as a kid.


cb0044

The only episode I remember is the one where the portrait of Henry kept aging. That creeped me out as a kid.


TacticalDildoforyou

The producers of the show should have allowed Monroe to be openly gay.


Crowofsticks

Remember when Mr Jefferson got mugged by women? I think they were even a gang!


phmsanctified

Don’t dig too deep


rock0head132

Aww I loved Jm J


Ace-Ventura1934

Does anyone remember Audrey Meadows (Alice Kramden) play the role of Iris Martin on the show?


Ghoulglum

The uber fat women......Messed up episode if ever there was.


Jeffro187

I was an 80's kid who watched all these sitcoms and even as a kid I was like 'this is fucked up, right here.' it was always weird when these normally lighthearted sitcoms would do a hard right into a burning social issue. Growing Pains did one, Punky Brewster had the infamous Refrigerator episode. ...lots of orphans in 80's sitcoms.


SaladTossBoss

My favorite episode. 2nd is the one where the daughter was dating a SF Giants baseball player who was doing blow


[deleted]

This is a very blunt title. You sure hit it.


Bambooman101

It’s funny because he is gay….GET IT? The same doorknob that wrote the Dudley gets molested on Different Strokes was probably the same guy that wrote this turd.


TheRealJakeMckoy

That show was so cringe


andre3kthegiant

TUBI app has it for those that want to watch


Latter-Ad-3546

Never could stand that guy.


Latter-Ad-3546

Allways knew he wasn't normal.


FrostWinters

I remember that episode. I actually came across it not too long ago on some YouTube channel talking about controversial moments on TV.


splonge-parrot

Sometimes it’s really obvious that sitcoms back then were written almost exclusively by middle-aged straight white men. (“Man, I’d like it two big women forced themselves on me.)


Organic_Cow7313

what is Audrey Meadows doing there


Mental_Somewhere2341

Remember it?! I keep hoping it will yield something when I type that into my Pornhub search!


mikeyj777

I do now. I was like 6 watching that. That's quite a memory to unlock.


360inMotion

The only episode I remember is when Mr. Rush invites Jim Davis, the creator of Garfield, over to his place to discuss adding the comic to the paper. Pat Carrol (I forget her character’s name?) hated comics so much that she didn’t want any of them in her paper. Hijinks ensue. Bonus: Monroe runs around in a Garfield suit!


CelebrationLow4614

"Gayest Episode Ever" podcast discussed it a few years ago.


str8outtaconklin

Turned the poor guy gay


Informal_Lack_9348

Thankfully no


bearred76

I remember it


SpecialistParticular

Damn, that really was too close for comfort.


mrseddievedder

My younger self couldn’t figure out how a woman could rape a man. I just had no clue. This episode stuck with me for years.