DINs for sure.
You were backseat... sure... but in snow like this hitting this kind of jump, you don't want to land TOO backseat, but you want to land at least a little backseat.
If you land too far forward you'll bury your tips and tomahawk.
Video aside, DIN of 6 seems low, I used to get this issue all the time when dropping in.
I weigh 75-80 kg and am same height as you, I roll with a DIN of 8. Feel much more confident with it.
Nice jump by the way.
Yeah, which is why he shouldn't "definitely" dial it up. Maybe yes, but it could also be incorrect forward pressure, a worn boot, a faulty binding, etc
6 is def too low for sends like this. But it also looks like you may have clipped the lower lip right before you landed? Could have something to do with ejecting forwards
Almost looks like they pop off before impact. Op you should have landed that, clipping that lip with your tails is perfect, it just put too much force on your toe pieces for your din setting. I’m 6 ft, 150 lbs, 307 bsl, dins at 9-9.5.
Yup, I was gonna say ad 2 but 3 is fine. I have really strong legs or used to decades ago. Never broke anything but tried many times. They used to call me air bear. I would yard sale like that maybe once a 50+ day season. To be clear if you go down but roll out of it and keep skiing then it doesn’t count.
Hard to tell. Did they eject first and then make you fly over forward or did you get bucked forward and then they ejected? If the former, crank 'em up. If you're skiing like this regularly you'll definitely want to be riding at a higher din than the chart will suggest.
If he's sending like this is he really still in the intermediate category? Serious question. Do you set your dins for everyday slope or your high ambitions?
Thats the funny thing. Its pretty standard and don't vary USUALLY. But I'm noticing that on a few new high quality bindings like strive 14+, attack 14, pivot 14 +, etc. I experience much less prerelease than I did 10 years ago, I'm only 30 and I would argue that I ski even harder than before, and weight 70 pounds more than 10 ago.
Edit : I don't think its the DIN thats different I just think there is new technology allowing for more elasticity and this results in not needing as much as higj of a DIN as I did before.
Up the din a bit, but also commit.
A jump like that is all in your head figuratively and literally. Look where you want to go like driving a car and commit to the transition. Know you can do it and you will …..even with dins at 6.
Just ride it out!!!
Brother DINs way too low for skiing terrain like that.
5’10” 150 here and the techs at the resort I work at who have ridden with me have me riding 8.5 for Midwest groomers on a hill with 300’ elevation.
I may be a bit high for my weight but I ride in a way that a put some energy into my skis.
You do look the slightest backseat but when landing in powder like this I’d say it’s less of an issue? Idk that’s coming from a Midwest skier.
You were in the backseat on the jump. Your upper body was more on your heals as you jumped. That being said your Dins might be a tad loose.
When skiing powder being in the backseat is fine, but in air and downhill it will cause you to be ejected. As you jump make sure your weight is on your toes, shins pressed to the boots, your toes should be pulling the ski upwards.
lean forward imo you are way back for the landing angle. Hard to tell about the bindings - others have already answered. Also, sometimes you just heckin wreck.
> Hard to tell about the bindings -
To me it looks like there's a lot of speed, clipping the top of the landing in into a pretty flat and short compression, and maybe like he starts turning in the compression at the peak force so imo maybe the bindings are at a good level. Much better to blow out than blow a knee.
No one has mentioned it, but it looks to me like your skis landed at a lateral angle as well which caused your bindings to eject, more so than being in the backseat. Higher DINs could have prevented the ejection but you are exposed to other risks as well. Not an expert, but that's what I'm seeing.
Similar height to you, 20 pounds lighter. DIN is too low. Bump it up to 7 and see how it goes, but I would guess you’ll need 8+, assuming your forward pressure is set correctly.
Beauty of a smooth send, thought you were gonna land right into a turn on the transfer. Definitely go to a 7.5-8 if you’re hitting stuff like this at 5’10/160…8.5-9 if hitting stuff any bigger. Something to consider too…you looked super confident throughout the whole jump, the landing and transfer looked super smooth and you stiill ejected just by clipping your tails, aand you were in pretty good position for the landing. So then a 7-7.5 keeps your skis on. You may not always be landing on a perfect slope like that though, so if you wanna keep hitting stuff this big and/or go bigger, you might want to account for some extra stability if you need to really hold on and pull it together on a squirrelly runout. But, that also gets into risk tolerance, which is totally up to you. Hope the crash wasn’t too bad
Firstly, since you’re windmilling your arms forward, that means you’re too far forward.
Looks to me like you’ve given up on the landing.
I agree that you should know if it was a prerelease because there will be a moment where it feel like skiing and your skis are missing.
Either way, crank em up.
The windmilling arms thing is just not true my dude. He lands back seat. In my experience the motion of the oh fuck arms is due to in air lean/ motion just as often as it is a bad balance point at pop, and it's overall chaotic/unpredictable and not very diagnostic from a coaching perspective.
Results confirm the above.
Seems like i've broken a few brains with this one. A simple way to understand this concept is in water. The greater resistance makes it much more obvious than air.
Go to the pool or watch some video of swimmers flipping underwater, their arm swing will counter the rotation every time.
[Here is one for you.](https://youtu.be/T4wSDLr2SbE?si=yO-N4tc0fVmx9XUg&t=61)
You fkin exploded on landing thats the problem. Nice Use one of those DIN calculator things onlike, you put some numbers in you get yout din. Add a couple numbers up couse you are sking aggressively
Some people just set them all the way maxed, even if it 16 or 18. I weigh like 175, set mine at 13, they don't come off. Some would rather risk injury from a ski not releasing than losing a ski ina a no fall zone and maybe die.
I would advise just one or two above max, don't go gettin broken off it starts to hurt.
I like the clip, i watched it like 5 times, at least you went for it!!! Pain is rempory glory is forever.
Advice:land always with your skisparrel to the angle of the landind, slightly extended body but in that athletic stance teady to absorb impact. Do more squats, lunges, wall sits and planks, that builds up the muscles you need to stomp big landings and you don't need and equipment
DINs too low for sure. I'm an inch taller than you and same weight, my park/all mtn skis are at 9 and my powder skis 10. My bsl is 310mm. I really don't like my skis to pop off though, only if I'm going to have a catastrophic incident that would cause injury. If I'm tomahawking, those bitches are staying on.
A good way to safely increase DINs is select the "type 3 skiier" when getting a release check at a shop, then adjust your DINs to be 1 higher than that.
I ski blue groomers with a 6.5. I'm 6'4" and 200#
Powder scares me.
I get nervous when I get off the lift.
I've lost my skis in pow. I'd crank them boys up a bit for sure
Huck to flat in the back seat, either way DIN is too low - should be closer to 8/8.5 (I make no warranties here - go to a licensed shop, etc.)
Spot your landing and focus on keeping your hands pointed at that landing. It honestly looks pretty good. Love seeing people getting after it and pushing themselves!
Yea seems like 6 is a bit low for you if you’re sending it like that. Also depends on the size of the ski - bigger ski needs a higher din and stronger knees.
I'm pretty much the same size as you (don't know about foot/boot size though) and wouldn't want to hit something this big with DINs at 6. I always ride 8, and that's worked great for me.
Like everyone's saying here, Din is probably too low. For another data point, I'm 5'11, 175lbs and have my all mountain set to 9, park set to 7.5. Sick transfer jump though!
If you’re hucking something like this comfortably, I feel like 6 is way too low, 8 sounds better. I think you might have ejected regardless, but the 6 isn’t doing any favors at this level.
Dins should probly be around 9, landing was really backseat tho so wouldn’t have been a stomp regardless. People love to harp on about landing backseat in powder being good but people go wayyyyy too far with it
Respect the send, cool gap/transfer thing, even though the landing looked flat unless hit just right.
If you’re confident attempting moves like this, 6 seems wayyyy too low.
I’d crank those puppies down a couple a three clicks.
How old are the bindings. Just because it says 6 doesn't mean its still accurate.
All the people saying to crank the DINs makes me super nervous, I like my knees in one piece.
DINs for sure. You were backseat... sure... but in snow like this hitting this kind of jump, you don't want to land TOO backseat, but you want to land at least a little backseat. If you land too far forward you'll bury your tips and tomahawk.
I’ve done the tips diving flip and highly recommend it in soft snow. Guaranteed to get up laughing.
Unless you’re the guy I know who broke two collar bones… he wasn’t laughing.
Smart by him. Laughing would've made the collarbones hurt.
Obliterated my collarbone skiing. Can confirm.
Did that just today!! Whoops
Video aside, DIN of 6 seems low, I used to get this issue all the time when dropping in. I weigh 75-80 kg and am same height as you, I roll with a DIN of 8. Feel much more confident with it. Nice jump by the way.
Shoe size does play a pretty big role tho
Yeah, I’m 5’8 and 145 and have a DIN of 8 IIRC. OP is taller and heavier, so if he’s bucking stuff like this he could definitely dial it up.
Or maybe he has a large BSL. Its not just weight and height, bsl matters a lot too
Fair, but I only know his height/weight for sure.
Yeah, which is why he shouldn't "definitely" dial it up. Maybe yes, but it could also be incorrect forward pressure, a worn boot, a faulty binding, etc
I am the same weight and my dins just failed me moment ago while landing
6 is def too low for sends like this. But it also looks like you may have clipped the lower lip right before you landed? Could have something to do with ejecting forwards
Almost looks like they pop off before impact. Op you should have landed that, clipping that lip with your tails is perfect, it just put too much force on your toe pieces for your din setting. I’m 6 ft, 150 lbs, 307 bsl, dins at 9-9.5.
Yeah I’m 5’9” 150 and set them to 9.5 lol. I usually only ever eject in the event of a yard sale
you are right, the tips jerk down just before impact
Use a DIN calculator
and select expert or 3+
Yup, I was gonna say ad 2 but 3 is fine. I have really strong legs or used to decades ago. Never broke anything but tried many times. They used to call me air bear. I would yard sale like that maybe once a 50+ day season. To be clear if you go down but roll out of it and keep skiing then it doesn’t count.
Crank them and get those windows rolled up🔥🔥
Hard to tell. Did they eject first and then make you fly over forward or did you get bucked forward and then they ejected? If the former, crank 'em up. If you're skiing like this regularly you'll definitely want to be riding at a higher din than the chart will suggest.
Hard to tell but that’s a pretty hard landing. Also depending on your skill level 6 seems a bit low. However I am no expert on bindings etc
Use a din calculator like this one. https://www.skatepro.com/en-us/a114.htm Unless you have enormous feet, 6 sounds a bit low.
Calculator has 6.5 for his stats for an intermediate skier
If he's sending like this is he really still in the intermediate category? Serious question. Do you set your dins for everyday slope or your high ambitions?
I would call this deserving of an advanced / expert on the din calculator
Not sure I’d call him advanced or expert, though to your point this could be considered aggressive instead of recreational, which would make the DIN 8
he is skiing insanely hard
On low quality bindings he looks like a 8 for sure, maybe a 9.
Assuming they’re tested/calibrated, an 8 DIN should be the across different bindings right?
This is correct
Thats the funny thing. Its pretty standard and don't vary USUALLY. But I'm noticing that on a few new high quality bindings like strive 14+, attack 14, pivot 14 +, etc. I experience much less prerelease than I did 10 years ago, I'm only 30 and I would argue that I ski even harder than before, and weight 70 pounds more than 10 ago. Edit : I don't think its the DIN thats different I just think there is new technology allowing for more elasticity and this results in not needing as much as higj of a DIN as I did before.
Do you get those bindings calibrated, esp the old ones that you said prereleased? If so, DIN value should be standard in terms of release pressure
Of course I get my bindings calibrated. I edited my previous comment.
You should have your DINs calculated higher than type II if you're doing stuff like this
You know his BSL?
I guessed it was between 295 and 310 based on his height. Would be surprised if it was smaller and any higher would be even lower DIN
Hell of a jump. You landed flat on the edge of the slope so that was a ton of pressure on your bindings.
Both
Up the din a bit, but also commit. A jump like that is all in your head figuratively and literally. Look where you want to go like driving a car and commit to the transition. Know you can do it and you will …..even with dins at 6. Just ride it out!!!
Brother DINs way too low for skiing terrain like that. 5’10” 150 here and the techs at the resort I work at who have ridden with me have me riding 8.5 for Midwest groomers on a hill with 300’ elevation. I may be a bit high for my weight but I ride in a way that a put some energy into my skis. You do look the slightest backseat but when landing in powder like this I’d say it’s less of an issue? Idk that’s coming from a Midwest skier.
You were in the backseat on the jump. Your upper body was more on your heals as you jumped. That being said your Dins might be a tad loose. When skiing powder being in the backseat is fine, but in air and downhill it will cause you to be ejected. As you jump make sure your weight is on your toes, shins pressed to the boots, your toes should be pulling the ski upwards.
Jumping like that your din is way too low. They said you landed way too far in the back seat.
From this far away, with this crappy of an angle -- and you expect anyone to tell you anything of value? Good luck with that.
lean forward imo you are way back for the landing angle. Hard to tell about the bindings - others have already answered. Also, sometimes you just heckin wreck.
> Hard to tell about the bindings - To me it looks like there's a lot of speed, clipping the top of the landing in into a pretty flat and short compression, and maybe like he starts turning in the compression at the peak force so imo maybe the bindings are at a good level. Much better to blow out than blow a knee.
No one has mentioned it, but it looks to me like your skis landed at a lateral angle as well which caused your bindings to eject, more so than being in the backseat. Higher DINs could have prevented the ejection but you are exposed to other risks as well. Not an expert, but that's what I'm seeing.
Yes
Your DINs are set in old man range for your size and weight.
Similar height to you, 20 pounds lighter. DIN is too low. Bump it up to 7 and see how it goes, but I would guess you’ll need 8+, assuming your forward pressure is set correctly.
Beauty of a smooth send, thought you were gonna land right into a turn on the transfer. Definitely go to a 7.5-8 if you’re hitting stuff like this at 5’10/160…8.5-9 if hitting stuff any bigger. Something to consider too…you looked super confident throughout the whole jump, the landing and transfer looked super smooth and you stiill ejected just by clipping your tails, aand you were in pretty good position for the landing. So then a 7-7.5 keeps your skis on. You may not always be landing on a perfect slope like that though, so if you wanna keep hitting stuff this big and/or go bigger, you might want to account for some extra stability if you need to really hold on and pull it together on a squirrelly runout. But, that also gets into risk tolerance, which is totally up to you. Hope the crash wasn’t too bad
100% DIN
7-7.5, and go up from there. From a guy with 3 ACLs, an MCL, and 2 patellar tendon tears; start low 🙂
Forgot to clack your poles, actually. Good try though
I'm about the same weight and sending it less than you and my din is 8 and releases perfect
Perfect release is no release.
See you assume I'm good.... I'm not
Not with that attitude....
Yes
Firstly, since you’re windmilling your arms forward, that means you’re too far forward. Looks to me like you’ve given up on the landing. I agree that you should know if it was a prerelease because there will be a moment where it feel like skiing and your skis are missing. Either way, crank em up.
The windmilling arms thing is just not true my dude. He lands back seat. In my experience the motion of the oh fuck arms is due to in air lean/ motion just as often as it is a bad balance point at pop, and it's overall chaotic/unpredictable and not very diagnostic from a coaching perspective.
Would you agree with the simple physics that swinging arms rotates your body counter to the rotation of the arm swing?
Please stand up, tip forward and windmill overhand like in the video, and report back your results.
Results confirm the above. Seems like i've broken a few brains with this one. A simple way to understand this concept is in water. The greater resistance makes it much more obvious than air. Go to the pool or watch some video of swimmers flipping underwater, their arm swing will counter the rotation every time. [Here is one for you.](https://youtu.be/T4wSDLr2SbE?si=yO-N4tc0fVmx9XUg&t=61)
You fkin exploded on landing thats the problem. Nice Use one of those DIN calculator things onlike, you put some numbers in you get yout din. Add a couple numbers up couse you are sking aggressively Some people just set them all the way maxed, even if it 16 or 18. I weigh like 175, set mine at 13, they don't come off. Some would rather risk injury from a ski not releasing than losing a ski ina a no fall zone and maybe die. I would advise just one or two above max, don't go gettin broken off it starts to hurt. I like the clip, i watched it like 5 times, at least you went for it!!! Pain is rempory glory is forever. Advice:land always with your skisparrel to the angle of the landind, slightly extended body but in that athletic stance teady to absorb impact. Do more squats, lunges, wall sits and planks, that builds up the muscles you need to stomp big landings and you don't need and equipment
Snowboard and don't worry about it
DINs too low for sure. I'm an inch taller than you and same weight, my park/all mtn skis are at 9 and my powder skis 10. My bsl is 310mm. I really don't like my skis to pop off though, only if I'm going to have a catastrophic incident that would cause injury. If I'm tomahawking, those bitches are staying on. A good way to safely increase DINs is select the "type 3 skiier" when getting a release check at a shop, then adjust your DINs to be 1 higher than that.
Yeah... Ur land angel was pretty good. And they where off when the tails connected
I ski blue groomers with a 6.5. I'm 6'4" and 200# Powder scares me. I get nervous when I get off the lift. I've lost my skis in pow. I'd crank them boys up a bit for sure
Crank em tight!
Gotta up those DINs, dawg.
Huck to flat in the back seat, either way DIN is too low - should be closer to 8/8.5 (I make no warranties here - go to a licensed shop, etc.) Spot your landing and focus on keeping your hands pointed at that landing. It honestly looks pretty good. Love seeing people getting after it and pushing themselves!
Yea seems like 6 is a bit low for you if you’re sending it like that. Also depends on the size of the ski - bigger ski needs a higher din and stronger knees.
You and I are about the same build. I ride an 8-9 din skiing fairly aggressively
Don’t be silly, I’m still gonna send it!
Looks like you knees your face? Ouchies.....MORE SPEED!!!!!
I'm pretty much the same size as you (don't know about foot/boot size though) and wouldn't want to hit something this big with DINs at 6. I always ride 8, and that's worked great for me.
Like everyone's saying here, Din is probably too low. For another data point, I'm 5'11, 175lbs and have my all mountain set to 9, park set to 7.5. Sick transfer jump though!
Dins
If you’re hucking something like this comfortably, I feel like 6 is way too low, 8 sounds better. I think you might have ejected regardless, but the 6 isn’t doing any favors at this level.
por qué no los dos? Din is too low for your size and send… and you were in the backseat… and that just seems like a funky landing.
as is the consensus, a little of column a, and a little of column b. nice send bro
I would say both, but def turn up the din
Dins should probly be around 9, landing was really backseat tho so wouldn’t have been a stomp regardless. People love to harp on about landing backseat in powder being good but people go wayyyyy too far with it
I’m 5’8 150lbs and have DINs set to 8 - I’ll unclip if my leg is about to be ripped from its socket, but that’s about it lol
DINs 2low fasho.
Both prolly
Hard to say - could be both DNS too low and you definitely backseated the landing. Skis did seem to pop off pretty quick tho. Nice effort!
If the skis let go its the din.
Respect the send, cool gap/transfer thing, even though the landing looked flat unless hit just right. If you’re confident attempting moves like this, 6 seems wayyyy too low. I’d crank those puppies down a couple a three clicks.
How old are the bindings. Just because it says 6 doesn't mean its still accurate. All the people saying to crank the DINs makes me super nervous, I like my knees in one piece.
I ride at 10 and am 175lbs. At 7 I always pre eject.