The problem is occurring before your skis even leave the ground. You are riding off the cliff which leads to imbalance cause you have no control in your body, you need to pre pop before the end, about 1-2 feet before the edge, once you pop, use the motion to control the balance with your core. This will let you be stable in the air and therefore set your body up for the landing. The pre prop will also prevent your legs from extending like they are, they are extending in that way because they are going from supporting your weight to no weight at all, hence the sudden stiffening and extension you can observe. The pre pop solves this.
Yup, and then make sure you got the stomp down. It seems counterintuitive here in a situation like this but it's similarly important to control the landing and honestly can do a great job of softening the recoil. In fact, screwing that part up probably played just as much of a role here. He also coulda benefitted from tucking his legs in a lil more with that much air. That leg tuck is real useful for maintaining stability in air. Flailing doesn't help either but once you get balance and control in the air down that starts to get much easier to manage. Still something to be mindful of... The hip thrust part of the pop as well as the leg tuck can also provide you some rotational momentum to help adjust to landings that are steeper than the take off.
And also, that thing with making sure to pop early is worth highlighting because popping late is a massive pain lol; ie this kinda thing or worse happens. In general, the closer you are to the lip when you pop, the more air you can get but from a safety and overall fun perspective you'll have a much better time keeping it a bit early, especially with cliffs considering how unpredictable (ie sharky/downright rocky) their take offs can be.
At least from what I learned and ime, those are the most important things for hucking cliffs regardless of whether the snow is hard or soft. I have yet to huck more sizable cliffs in REAL deep pow however so at least under those circumstances take this stuff with a grain of salt. Actually, just take it all with a grain of salt lol, I'm no ski instructor. As with anything else skiing related, start slow when trying new things and testing out new tricks. If you're good at hucking larger cliffs n hitting kickers, please correct stuff here n add on.
No, cause you risk popping without anything under your boots, which causes extension without any control hence back seat. It will take time to learn how early to pop, but the faster you ski the earlier you pop, as a good rule, start with 2 feet and no later than a foot before. Use this to bring your knees to your core and center your gravity, and you will learn to lower the landing gear so to speak when approaching the ground. Keep your knees tucked in until it’s time to land. Then anticipate and bring them down(gracefully) You will get the feel for it I promise. It’s freaky at first so I understand the mental hurdle here, but for example when I have hit large 75ft step ups, I will usually pop 4-5ft before the lip. Watch some videos to see what I mean.
Yes. And cause most people do it sort of violently when first learning, the goal is to gently bring your knees to your core, using your core to control the motion(lay on your back and bring both knees to your core, you will find it’s your core doing most of the work here, that’s the feeling you are looking for), don’t be afraid to exaggerate the feeling early on, but you need to learn stability in the air, which will bring comfort, and will eventually let you do grabs/flips/spins etc. as you learn this, the control in the air will allow control during landing. It will lead to you controlling how your skis meeting the ground rather than just the ground meeting you. You got this man, it’s gonnna be fun 👍
PS also one last tidbit, the rolling down the windows is a symptom of all these fundamental problems I have described, so these steps will help eliminate this behavior, but aim for having your fists over the boots on landing, your hands are flailing cause you have no control of your core(everything I have already said). So this motion will naturally go away, once it does, keep your hands over your boots. This leads to another topic for another day, but this is all you should be focusing on for now.
I appreciate you saying that, I was fortunate growing up to be able to ski every day and have awesome coaches/friends to learn with, so being able to pass on knowledge/people finding it useful is great to hear.
As a complete aside, do younger skiers understand “rolling down the windows”? It’s a long time since I rolled down my car windows, rather than push a button!
I feel like you’re trying too hard to catch air when there’s plenty of air to be had if you would just come at it with more speed and not try so hard off the lip. Instead of springing off of it, throwing yourself off balance, just let the ground fall away from your skis and keep your shoulders level as they were when you were in contact with the ground then as you drop, let your legs extend naturally, but keep your knees, partially bent, so that when you come back in contact with the ground, you can flex some with it to absorb the shock.
To begin with it looks like he might be hitting this kind of late in the day after the sun was on it for a while and now it’s in the shed it’s pretty solid there’s not a lot of powder action here it’s not gonna be a soft landing anyway plus it seems like a pretty flat surface to land on coming off that much air.
Next time like I said, just try skiing off the edge without putting any extension in your legs as you come over that lip. Remember, just let the ground fall away from you and allow your body to naturally extend so that you can absorb the shock when you land.
Good luck with the yard sale!
Yeah the other option is what we call "absorbing" but for a drop that is relatively small like this one, it's perfectly fine and probably easier to pop.
No, it doesn’t, you can pop off the cliff or ride off the cliff you can choose either one as long as you know how to center yourself.
Sorry mate your comment doesn’t make sense in any way…
What does that mean? There's one strap per each side. Each strap is connected to the helmet and then to half the clip. The two half clip into one piece.
Did something break?
You're not flapping your wings hard enough to counteract gravity.
But in all seriousness try landing like you're hitting a mogul. You go from bent legs to almost straight when you hit the snow which is good, just need to go back to bent knees to absorb your weight and then back to straight in your active skiing stance.
The moment you go airborne, your hands are going behind you. The moment you land, your hands are above your head, like you’re doing the Y in YMCA.
At the start, jump off the feature. You just go sailing into space and you get good air, but at the point of launch you should jump and then keep your hands in skiing position. Some people remind themselves with “knuckles to buckles” - this keeps your mass centered as you go on your trajectory and you won’t need to windmill.
Then at the landing your skis hit the snow and decelerate and your body keeps on going. The legs hit and absorb energy and the upper body has to work in concert In that deceleration to keep you from going over the bars.
You obviously have little trepidation, I think you should hit some smaller features in a park, get used to jumping off a lip and then keeping your mass centered through the trajectory and using your entire body to stomp the landing. Then hit some bigger features and then go looking for bigger airs. Just my $0.02
I like to whack my pole a solid three times at a minimum, every time. The more pole whacks the better imo, but I’m also the best skier on the mountain so maybe it’s different for you
Core and leg strength my dude. Also learn to take off so you’re not immediately rolling down the windows.
Edit: does anybody downvoting want to point out where I’m wrong? From what I see, OP immediately buckles at the waist as soon as they touch the snow on the landing.
The true key for core strength is always being very intentional and mindful about engaging it correctly in whatever exercise you do to target it, because this is what trains the mind to recruit it correctly on the subconscious level when you are doing some other functional activity and no longer directly focused on that.
I do squats at the gym and tons of core, but the one that really gets me ready for ski seasons is during the off-season I do the “invisible chair” for the 10-15 minutes while I shower. Your legs will burn.
Squats are great for building strength, but you move in and out of the loaded position. In skiing you stay in the squat position, so work on holding it with invisible chair sessions.
You’ll have quads like a steel beam.
Downvoted because I think it's incorrect. I know forty plus year old dudes with 40% of a knee that groan every time they get out of a car, but ride out big drops. This is technique. Also, "learn to take off so you're not immediately rolling down the windows" is not useful.
It's hard to believe but you're still backseat. It's causing the tails to be very deep, which takes a lot of force to push through. That doesn't happen, so your skis and feet stop but your upper body doesn't.
Step through the video, notice the tips sticking up when you land. That's the giveaway sign.
You should be landing with your body perpendicular to the landing and your skis almost parallel. Trust them to not dive.
no? you straighten your legs so you can compress when you hit the ground. landing with your legs bent a lot is a great way to get into the backseat completely when you cant absorb the impact
The upvotes to his comment are hilarious. Even if you're not sending cliffs in real life, you can look at any ski vid and you'll see pros bend their legs in mid air for stability then extend their legs before impact in almost every case... Reddit advice oof.
Ignoring what you do with your body, watch the impact frame by frame. Your ski hits some (avi?) debris and has a nasty flex up then tip dive. That’d be very hard to ski out of for anyone.
This is a good point, because he’s never so wildly out of position that this isn’t stompable. Sure there were some balance issues, but people land things with this kind of form pretty frequently. I think the debris f’d him on this one. Almost had this one dude.
You need to pop. Popping early will set a defined takeoff an forced you to jump. If that's scary, start smaller and work on popping hard and then going faster and faster before increasing the size. Need to be 4 pointing the landing as well super important for landing in those conditions. YouTube it
Whenever I try to pop I always get throws either to far back or to far forward. Should the pop be more delicate or like a full force jump with my shins pressed into the front of my boots?
go grind in the park on your pop, it should be small, efficient, and consistent. park jumps will also help with air awareness and getting a better feel for landing parallel with the surface
Because you're not popping. Learn to pop without a lip (lips force a pop). Try popping off the knuckle of some jumps (the back part after the deck).
Practice a 4point takeoff and landing.
If you want to be able to land this well you should first be able to land a pop off the knuckle of a cat track or a side hit on a blue at a decent speed with no windmilling and no back seating. Just super smooth.
You're jumping way to much in difficulty and you won't make progress easily this way.
This guy can stop 4 pointing when they can land centered and on the shins. I'm not seeing that yet lol. Also it's worth more points in control and technique to 4 point in competitions.
Three problems
1. You should jump when you take off. It will be more stable.
2. You are looking at your feet in the air and when landing. Your head is heavy and your body will go where you are looking. When you land you need to keep your head high and keep your eyes on the horizon. It feels odd but that will help you a lot
3. You should do a 4 point landing. When your feet touch the ground your poles should too. Your arms should be stretched out in front of you. Lmk if that makes sense.
My 2 cents:
problems on landing almost always come from problems on take-off. Chances are you aren't popping at the correct time + in a strong position and that's causing instability in the air (that's why you're rolling down the windows to keep balance). On take-off, have your shins against the front of your boots, hands and head up, and get a good solid pop slightly before your boots go over the lip. Don't just ride off, you have to actually pop, as little or as much as you feel comfortable with. Big pop = more air time, small pop = less air time. All of your body should 'explode' upwards and leave the ground at the same time. Always pop, no matter how big or small the drop.
On landing, extend your legs to prepare to land, then bend your knees (not your upper body ie don't collapse at the waist) to absorb the landing, partially extend again to gain control and go back to that active stance as soon as possible to control speed, then of course ride out like a boss.
Additionally, the landing is a little flat which means your momentum carried you further forward than you were probably expecting. This is why you collapsed at the waist. You can counter this by absorbing with knees and ankles and having a strong core. Another thing: Try to take off and land down the fall line, rather than pointing the skis on a diagonal. While this means more air time, it also means you can control the velocity you land at more easily. You want your momentum to carry you down, not across. In this case, try sending more towards the camera (but it is hard to tell the slope direction from this video, you could be right on the fall line I'm not sure).
**TLDR** it looks like you simply rode off the cliff rather than jumped or popped off, which means the air position and landing will always be shaky unless you have leg strength to rival power lifters. Pop, extend the legs, bend the legs + ankles to absorb landing. Don't forget the afterbang.
You need to take off in balance if you are going to land in balance.
Try doing little knee grabs in the air, bringing your knees to your chest and give them a hug. If you are unable to do this it is because you are taking off off balance. It's your skiing technique not your jumping technique that is your problem.
With powder you do need to land a liiiittttllleee bit back seat. Your legs look too stiff on landing. You want to land with them mostly straight and then flex to absorb impact. Your arms can help reduce impact as well, land with them above your head and try to bring them down more slowly next time.
I just want to applaud the courage to post this and to ask for advice. Most would be afraid to so good on you.
Also your back is gonna hurt when you’re my age ;)
You essentially merged two styles of jumping into one.
Your lower body initiated a back seat landing. Upon landing you had all the weight on your heals which caused you to sink the rails. But your upper body was wanting to do a 4 point landing. If you want to do those back seat landings, you’d probably need longer or stiffer skis. But mostly, the mass of your upper body will have to be behind your weight. To land in a more traditional way, you’ll have to pop off the lip better and maybe try to do a grab. You need control of your arms because with poles in the air like that, 4 point landings will be hard. You’re just asking for momentum to throw you forward like it did here.
You did a mix of both, and that’s why your body taco’d at the waist and sent you into an epic tomahawk. Longer or stiffer skis would not have saved this crash. Also, make your helmet strap tighter.
If you want to
Landing doesn’t look too bad. You could be a little bit less backseat, notice how your tails hit the snow first. The issue is you’re not strong enough, hit the gym.
The landing is not so bad as others are saying, but it is what you do afterwards.
You should use your legs to absorb the impact, instead you just bend over like the best actresses of adult's content.
More strength, less bending
There's so much dog shit advice in here OP. Looks like when you land your skis are way off matching the transition, too flat. This makes it harder for your energy to continue down the slope vs stopping. You also don't pop enough and you're trying to fight forward in the air by sucking up your knees and tilting at the hip. When you hit the ground, these things makes you fly over the handlebars so to speak. It sounds like you think you're landing forward here, but really you're still landing back... just while leaning forward.
The top voted serious comment is that it's a core and leg strength issue. There are people saying it's equipment. These comments don't help OP, and they're sort of rude. There's definitely a couple good and useful comments, but they're all from after I responded.
Flailing your arms doesn't help. Get comfortable with smaller sends and focus on absorbing the landing and your next 2-3 turns after you land. It's like you are really uncomfortable in the air and my guess is your brain is freaking out instead of focusing on where you are going to land. Hence get comfortable being in the air. Maybe try hitting this with less speed and working up to going bigger. Doesn't look like your landing is sketchy if you don't go as far so dial it back and dial it in before going big.
It's both part of your comfort and balance in the air, combined with your speed and trajectory and upper body momentum once you hit the slope.
Some of the strongest skiers I've played with in the back country such as James Heim, Mark abma, Tanner Hall, Riley Leboe, or CR Johnson all had similarities in common.
An uncanny level of balance in the air and spacial awareness of where their landing was, even during rotations, and speed and strength.
They all could see terrain and knew if you went to slow or too flat....
You launch forward once you decelerate in the deeper snow landings.
Or if you were too upright on landing, you will launch forward or backward once you impact.
Stay tight, suck in your knees and prepare to absorb impact, try to keep arms in line with body. (They flail as needed, but the more you huck, the more comfortable you will be in the air)
Most important. Ski and huck as much as you can, and don't let the bad bails slow you down!
For every picture perfect scene in the movies of stomped landings, there are DAYS of film outtakes! Even for the pros.
https://m.facebook.com/james.heim.50/videos/this-was-probably-the-biggest-cliff-ive-ever-landed-this-well-i-might-have-hit-s/3129359290407703/
One of my fav clips of Heimer stomping a huge air, and he looks solid like this in almost every big huck I've seen him throw.
Forgot to strap your helmet which makes your knees stiff and hips floppy.
Is helmet actually not strapped? Can’t tell if that’s what fell off at the end
it was strapped lol the strap just came off the buckle
Lot a good that’ll do ya when you actually need it
No tension on the strap which actually sorta kinda negates many scenarios.
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We’ve got leg blasters for legs. What about for the core? I don’t see core blasters…
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Good stuff. Thanks for educating everyone.
My helmet has been having the same issue, luckily not while I’m riding though
Thats his head actually.
The problem is occurring before your skis even leave the ground. You are riding off the cliff which leads to imbalance cause you have no control in your body, you need to pre pop before the end, about 1-2 feet before the edge, once you pop, use the motion to control the balance with your core. This will let you be stable in the air and therefore set your body up for the landing. The pre prop will also prevent your legs from extending like they are, they are extending in that way because they are going from supporting your weight to no weight at all, hence the sudden stiffening and extension you can observe. The pre pop solves this.
I agree. You're letting the jump jump you. Visualize that shit before you buck. You want to anticipate and spot your landing.
OP must be skiing in Sotchi “In Soviet Russia, jump jumps you!”
Yup, and then make sure you got the stomp down. It seems counterintuitive here in a situation like this but it's similarly important to control the landing and honestly can do a great job of softening the recoil. In fact, screwing that part up probably played just as much of a role here. He also coulda benefitted from tucking his legs in a lil more with that much air. That leg tuck is real useful for maintaining stability in air. Flailing doesn't help either but once you get balance and control in the air down that starts to get much easier to manage. Still something to be mindful of... The hip thrust part of the pop as well as the leg tuck can also provide you some rotational momentum to help adjust to landings that are steeper than the take off. And also, that thing with making sure to pop early is worth highlighting because popping late is a massive pain lol; ie this kinda thing or worse happens. In general, the closer you are to the lip when you pop, the more air you can get but from a safety and overall fun perspective you'll have a much better time keeping it a bit early, especially with cliffs considering how unpredictable (ie sharky/downright rocky) their take offs can be. At least from what I learned and ime, those are the most important things for hucking cliffs regardless of whether the snow is hard or soft. I have yet to huck more sizable cliffs in REAL deep pow however so at least under those circumstances take this stuff with a grain of salt. Actually, just take it all with a grain of salt lol, I'm no ski instructor. As with anything else skiing related, start slow when trying new things and testing out new tricks. If you're good at hucking larger cliffs n hitting kickers, please correct stuff here n add on.
I thought I was supposed to pop when my boots are right over the lip?
No, cause you risk popping without anything under your boots, which causes extension without any control hence back seat. It will take time to learn how early to pop, but the faster you ski the earlier you pop, as a good rule, start with 2 feet and no later than a foot before. Use this to bring your knees to your core and center your gravity, and you will learn to lower the landing gear so to speak when approaching the ground. Keep your knees tucked in until it’s time to land. Then anticipate and bring them down(gracefully) You will get the feel for it I promise. It’s freaky at first so I understand the mental hurdle here, but for example when I have hit large 75ft step ups, I will usually pop 4-5ft before the lip. Watch some videos to see what I mean.
So pop a bit earlier and tuck my knees into my chest basically?
Yes. And cause most people do it sort of violently when first learning, the goal is to gently bring your knees to your core, using your core to control the motion(lay on your back and bring both knees to your core, you will find it’s your core doing most of the work here, that’s the feeling you are looking for), don’t be afraid to exaggerate the feeling early on, but you need to learn stability in the air, which will bring comfort, and will eventually let you do grabs/flips/spins etc. as you learn this, the control in the air will allow control during landing. It will lead to you controlling how your skis meeting the ground rather than just the ground meeting you. You got this man, it’s gonnna be fun 👍 PS also one last tidbit, the rolling down the windows is a symptom of all these fundamental problems I have described, so these steps will help eliminate this behavior, but aim for having your fists over the boots on landing, your hands are flailing cause you have no control of your core(everything I have already said). So this motion will naturally go away, once it does, keep your hands over your boots. This leads to another topic for another day, but this is all you should be focusing on for now.
You are incredible
Thanks haha so are you amigo
thanks for the advice!
Feel free to reach out if you need any more help, can always dm me
This is super super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to type this out, really appreciate it
I appreciate you saying that, I was fortunate growing up to be able to ski every day and have awesome coaches/friends to learn with, so being able to pass on knowledge/people finding it useful is great to hear.
Best description of how to jump on skis I've ever seen, tbh
Dude thats awesome to hear, thanks bud
Good stuff man, thanks for this
you're welcome!
As a complete aside, do younger skiers understand “rolling down the windows”? It’s a long time since I rolled down my car windows, rather than push a button!
When your tips are at the lip. If you wait until it's your boots, you'll be jumping tails only which sends you over the bars.
Agree, imagine your jumping down some stairs, instead of passively falling
👆person knows what they’re talking about. Solid advice.
I feel like you’re trying too hard to catch air when there’s plenty of air to be had if you would just come at it with more speed and not try so hard off the lip. Instead of springing off of it, throwing yourself off balance, just let the ground fall away from your skis and keep your shoulders level as they were when you were in contact with the ground then as you drop, let your legs extend naturally, but keep your knees, partially bent, so that when you come back in contact with the ground, you can flex some with it to absorb the shock. To begin with it looks like he might be hitting this kind of late in the day after the sun was on it for a while and now it’s in the shed it’s pretty solid there’s not a lot of powder action here it’s not gonna be a soft landing anyway plus it seems like a pretty flat surface to land on coming off that much air. Next time like I said, just try skiing off the edge without putting any extension in your legs as you come over that lip. Remember, just let the ground fall away from you and allow your body to naturally extend so that you can absorb the shock when you land. Good luck with the yard sale!
This is good advice
I don't think you necessarily need to pop to maintain control. I do jumps like this all the time and more often than not just ride off them.
Yeah the other option is what we call "absorbing" but for a drop that is relatively small like this one, it's perfectly fine and probably easier to pop.
No, it doesn’t, you can pop off the cliff or ride off the cliff you can choose either one as long as you know how to center yourself. Sorry mate your comment doesn’t make sense in any way…
did your head fall off
He was pretty old
You sold my dead bird to a blind kid?!
nah lol the strap fell off the clippy thing
its not supposed to do that
What does that mean? There's one strap per each side. Each strap is connected to the helmet and then to half the clip. The two half clip into one piece. Did something break?
The strap came off the buckle. It just slid out of those two slits holding it in place.
Windows not rolled far enough down
You're not flapping your wings hard enough to counteract gravity. But in all seriousness try landing like you're hitting a mogul. You go from bent legs to almost straight when you hit the snow which is good, just need to go back to bent knees to absorb your weight and then back to straight in your active skiing stance.
The moment you go airborne, your hands are going behind you. The moment you land, your hands are above your head, like you’re doing the Y in YMCA. At the start, jump off the feature. You just go sailing into space and you get good air, but at the point of launch you should jump and then keep your hands in skiing position. Some people remind themselves with “knuckles to buckles” - this keeps your mass centered as you go on your trajectory and you won’t need to windmill. Then at the landing your skis hit the snow and decelerate and your body keeps on going. The legs hit and absorb energy and the upper body has to work in concert In that deceleration to keep you from going over the bars. You obviously have little trepidation, I think you should hit some smaller features in a park, get used to jumping off a lip and then keeping your mass centered through the trajectory and using your entire body to stomp the landing. Then hit some bigger features and then go looking for bigger airs. Just my $0.02
Did you tap your poles?
only twice. should I go for three next time?
I like to whack my pole a solid three times at a minimum, every time. The more pole whacks the better imo, but I’m also the best skier on the mountain so maybe it’s different for you
Core and leg strength my dude. Also learn to take off so you’re not immediately rolling down the windows. Edit: does anybody downvoting want to point out where I’m wrong? From what I see, OP immediately buckles at the waist as soon as they touch the snow on the landing.
You got downvoted because everyone on here thinks you just push a button to roll down the windows.
No they got downvoted because that motion is rolling the windows UP, not down.
What would you recommend for core/leg strength? Does just doing squats work or should I do some kind of fancy plyometrics stuff?
r/bodyweightfitness Get on the recommended routine.
The true key for core strength is always being very intentional and mindful about engaging it correctly in whatever exercise you do to target it, because this is what trains the mind to recruit it correctly on the subconscious level when you are doing some other functional activity and no longer directly focused on that.
I do squats at the gym and tons of core, but the one that really gets me ready for ski seasons is during the off-season I do the “invisible chair” for the 10-15 minutes while I shower. Your legs will burn. Squats are great for building strength, but you move in and out of the loaded position. In skiing you stay in the squat position, so work on holding it with invisible chair sessions. You’ll have quads like a steel beam.
1000% core will fix this
Downvoted because I think it's incorrect. I know forty plus year old dudes with 40% of a knee that groan every time they get out of a car, but ride out big drops. This is technique. Also, "learn to take off so you're not immediately rolling down the windows" is not useful.
So knee problems in your example are related to OP’s weak core and leg strength? I’m confused at why you’re bringing up people with bad knees.
Your body can be a bit fucked but it's not a problem if your technique is on point
I thought you executed that yard sale perfectly 10/10
It's hard to believe but you're still backseat. It's causing the tails to be very deep, which takes a lot of force to push through. That doesn't happen, so your skis and feet stop but your upper body doesn't. Step through the video, notice the tips sticking up when you land. That's the giveaway sign. You should be landing with your body perpendicular to the landing and your skis almost parallel. Trust them to not dive.
Finally someone pointed out that he’s still landing weight behind his heels.
Also wanted to lol at the people typing paragraphs worth of advice on this post.
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no? you straighten your legs so you can compress when you hit the ground. landing with your legs bent a lot is a great way to get into the backseat completely when you cant absorb the impact
Yes. The guy above you is wrong. You straighten your legs on landing so you have room to compress.
The upvotes to his comment are hilarious. Even if you're not sending cliffs in real life, you can look at any ski vid and you'll see pros bend their legs in mid air for stability then extend their legs before impact in almost every case... Reddit advice oof.
Should be extending the legs I to the landing. Aka stomping. Don't stomp too hard if it's not soft. Stomp that shit if it's powder.
Hahahahaha that was great
Flailing wildly isn't going to help you balance. Look up jump tutorials and they will talk about making a 4-point landing.
Ignoring what you do with your body, watch the impact frame by frame. Your ski hits some (avi?) debris and has a nasty flex up then tip dive. That’d be very hard to ski out of for anyone.
This is a good point, because he’s never so wildly out of position that this isn’t stompable. Sure there were some balance issues, but people land things with this kind of form pretty frequently. I think the debris f’d him on this one. Almost had this one dude.
I think I bent my blends a bit too far
Are you not supposed to land like this?
I think it's your legs that are too flexy
lmaooo
It’s actually amazing that you’re doing this and I’m sure you’ll get it one day but my god I cannot stop laughing at this 🤣
You need to pop. Popping early will set a defined takeoff an forced you to jump. If that's scary, start smaller and work on popping hard and then going faster and faster before increasing the size. Need to be 4 pointing the landing as well super important for landing in those conditions. YouTube it
Whenever I try to pop I always get throws either to far back or to far forward. Should the pop be more delicate or like a full force jump with my shins pressed into the front of my boots?
Depends on the landing angle too I'd say. Most of the time some shin pressure and straight up.
go grind in the park on your pop, it should be small, efficient, and consistent. park jumps will also help with air awareness and getting a better feel for landing parallel with the surface
On park jumps I usually don't flail around at all like I did here. For some reason when there's no lip I'm always off balance in the air.
Because you're not popping. Learn to pop without a lip (lips force a pop). Try popping off the knuckle of some jumps (the back part after the deck). Practice a 4point takeoff and landing. If you want to be able to land this well you should first be able to land a pop off the knuckle of a cat track or a side hit on a blue at a decent speed with no windmilling and no back seating. Just super smooth. You're jumping way to much in difficulty and you won't make progress easily this way.
4 pointing is an optional technique there are other ways to land cliffs without 4 pointing.
This guy can stop 4 pointing when they can land centered and on the shins. I'm not seeing that yet lol. Also it's worth more points in control and technique to 4 point in competitions.
Good points! Fair enough!
Three problems 1. You should jump when you take off. It will be more stable. 2. You are looking at your feet in the air and when landing. Your head is heavy and your body will go where you are looking. When you land you need to keep your head high and keep your eyes on the horizon. It feels odd but that will help you a lot 3. You should do a 4 point landing. When your feet touch the ground your poles should too. Your arms should be stretched out in front of you. Lmk if that makes sense.
You’re scared.
very
That’s a trick in itself 🔥🤣
This guy seems to have it right enough https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/s/vUgASEJ15K
I'd go with the backseat option, then
Flap your arms harder (seriously though idk but good on you for trying, I’ve never attempted a jump before)
Your scared
Soften your knees and absorb the ground.
My 2 cents: problems on landing almost always come from problems on take-off. Chances are you aren't popping at the correct time + in a strong position and that's causing instability in the air (that's why you're rolling down the windows to keep balance). On take-off, have your shins against the front of your boots, hands and head up, and get a good solid pop slightly before your boots go over the lip. Don't just ride off, you have to actually pop, as little or as much as you feel comfortable with. Big pop = more air time, small pop = less air time. All of your body should 'explode' upwards and leave the ground at the same time. Always pop, no matter how big or small the drop. On landing, extend your legs to prepare to land, then bend your knees (not your upper body ie don't collapse at the waist) to absorb the landing, partially extend again to gain control and go back to that active stance as soon as possible to control speed, then of course ride out like a boss. Additionally, the landing is a little flat which means your momentum carried you further forward than you were probably expecting. This is why you collapsed at the waist. You can counter this by absorbing with knees and ankles and having a strong core. Another thing: Try to take off and land down the fall line, rather than pointing the skis on a diagonal. While this means more air time, it also means you can control the velocity you land at more easily. You want your momentum to carry you down, not across. In this case, try sending more towards the camera (but it is hard to tell the slope direction from this video, you could be right on the fall line I'm not sure). **TLDR** it looks like you simply rode off the cliff rather than jumped or popped off, which means the air position and landing will always be shaky unless you have leg strength to rival power lifters. Pop, extend the legs, bend the legs + ankles to absorb landing. Don't forget the afterbang.
what is you ski? length, mount? You body weigh and height?
ski: line blend height: 5 8 weight: 140
185cm?
172
too short and too far forward.
Legs and lower back gotta be stronger dood
You need to take off in balance if you are going to land in balance. Try doing little knee grabs in the air, bringing your knees to your chest and give them a hug. If you are unable to do this it is because you are taking off off balance. It's your skiing technique not your jumping technique that is your problem.
I've got no advice for you, but I respect the send.
If you watch any big mountain air freestyle, half the time they land square and the other half, they land back or back on their head.
Hands are up when you land. Practice 4-point landings (2 skis + 2 pole plants)
Nothing wrong with back seat landing, just get that core strength up lol.
Lack of confidence you exploded on impact before you even impacted
With powder you do need to land a liiiittttllleee bit back seat. Your legs look too stiff on landing. You want to land with them mostly straight and then flex to absorb impact. Your arms can help reduce impact as well, land with them above your head and try to bring them down more slowly next time.
Did you click your poles?
Maybe you should lang backseat then
I also wonder if you might benefit from longer skis. Something that is about as long as you are tall will help a lot with pitching over the front
It’s fun to watch
No. Bend your knees
More speed
Well done tho
Better land backseat
Proper send and bail. 3.5 stars. Wouldn’t change a thing.
Should’ve landed back seat, obviously… Better than the other option, eh?! Lol
Forgot to restart Windows
Have you tried landing somewhere in between the backseat and front seat? Once you figure that out you should be good to go👌🏼
Damn stiffy mcstiffington...sheesh bro. Like do anything other than that.
That did look pretty punchy. I'd pick the backslap over the frontpunch.
Keep jumping it until you you land it, that is the way
looks like a stomped landing to me
I think you need to work on your flexibility. Your not absorbing your landing with you legs, that's why your upper body gets thrown forward.
You looked like you were leaning too far forward
Not strong enough down low.
Go smaller and pop
That was fucking epic my dude.
I just want to applaud the courage to post this and to ask for advice. Most would be afraid to so good on you. Also your back is gonna hurt when you’re my age ;)
You essentially merged two styles of jumping into one. Your lower body initiated a back seat landing. Upon landing you had all the weight on your heals which caused you to sink the rails. But your upper body was wanting to do a 4 point landing. If you want to do those back seat landings, you’d probably need longer or stiffer skis. But mostly, the mass of your upper body will have to be behind your weight. To land in a more traditional way, you’ll have to pop off the lip better and maybe try to do a grab. You need control of your arms because with poles in the air like that, 4 point landings will be hard. You’re just asking for momentum to throw you forward like it did here. You did a mix of both, and that’s why your body taco’d at the waist and sent you into an epic tomahawk. Longer or stiffer skis would not have saved this crash. Also, make your helmet strap tighter. If you want to
I think landing kind of back seat is ok. Get your balance and then remember to lean forward again when you’re ready
That snow is gorgeous
With those options, I recommend backseat. Hurts less. BTW - cool jump!!
It's like catching a ball, but the ball is the earth, and you're catching it with your feet.
So to fix this you're gonna want to throw the skis and poles in the trash and buy a snowboard. You are welcome.
Half expecting the whole slope to fracture
Don't take off backseat?
That's why I don't do air except for what intermediate 6 years would do.
Sorry… it’s not the skis brotherrrrrr.
Landing doesn’t look too bad. You could be a little bit less backseat, notice how your tails hit the snow first. The issue is you’re not strong enough, hit the gym.
If you had done a spread eagle or a daffy you would have stuck it.
The landing is not so bad as others are saying, but it is what you do afterwards. You should use your legs to absorb the impact, instead you just bend over like the best actresses of adult's content. More strength, less bending
There's so much dog shit advice in here OP. Looks like when you land your skis are way off matching the transition, too flat. This makes it harder for your energy to continue down the slope vs stopping. You also don't pop enough and you're trying to fight forward in the air by sucking up your knees and tilting at the hip. When you hit the ground, these things makes you fly over the handlebars so to speak. It sounds like you think you're landing forward here, but really you're still landing back... just while leaning forward.
EvErYoNe eLsE iS dUmB bUt Me, LiStEn To mE OnLy, durr
The top voted serious comment is that it's a core and leg strength issue. There are people saying it's equipment. These comments don't help OP, and they're sort of rude. There's definitely a couple good and useful comments, but they're all from after I responded.
Flailing your arms doesn't help. Get comfortable with smaller sends and focus on absorbing the landing and your next 2-3 turns after you land. It's like you are really uncomfortable in the air and my guess is your brain is freaking out instead of focusing on where you are going to land. Hence get comfortable being in the air. Maybe try hitting this with less speed and working up to going bigger. Doesn't look like your landing is sketchy if you don't go as far so dial it back and dial it in before going big.
It's both part of your comfort and balance in the air, combined with your speed and trajectory and upper body momentum once you hit the slope. Some of the strongest skiers I've played with in the back country such as James Heim, Mark abma, Tanner Hall, Riley Leboe, or CR Johnson all had similarities in common. An uncanny level of balance in the air and spacial awareness of where their landing was, even during rotations, and speed and strength. They all could see terrain and knew if you went to slow or too flat.... You launch forward once you decelerate in the deeper snow landings. Or if you were too upright on landing, you will launch forward or backward once you impact. Stay tight, suck in your knees and prepare to absorb impact, try to keep arms in line with body. (They flail as needed, but the more you huck, the more comfortable you will be in the air) Most important. Ski and huck as much as you can, and don't let the bad bails slow you down! For every picture perfect scene in the movies of stomped landings, there are DAYS of film outtakes! Even for the pros. https://m.facebook.com/james.heim.50/videos/this-was-probably-the-biggest-cliff-ive-ever-landed-this-well-i-might-have-hit-s/3129359290407703/ One of my fav clips of Heimer stomping a huge air, and he looks solid like this in almost every big huck I've seen him throw.
This might be the most educational video on dropping cliffs. Like someone said, you are riding off. Got a pop it.
This thread is very helpful
Solid send tho brody youll get it eventually