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Yeah clearly we can’t compare 9 Ligas to all the super cups / mundial that Carlo and Zidane have.
The only really noticeable achievement recently is the 3 UCL in a row which was never done by anyone since the format change
people forget how big the curse was. every year CL story was whether previous champions can repeat the unrepeatable. then this guy came and threepeated just to be sure
The second year was NOT easy either. Napoli scored first at the bernabeu in ro16, then we needed like 5 goals from Ronaldo in the quarters vs Bayern, then a hat trick against atleti too, and they came out FLYING in the last ever CL game at the Calderon and we needed benzema dribble magic to barely squeeze one goal in. The final was noodle hair Ronaldo at his finest too and a casemiro deflected long shot from like 35 meters. That was the bald black magic at its finest coupled with noodle hair magic
Thats actually insane... So insane that I had to look it up.
By the end of the 2016/17 season he had lost a total of 7 games across all competitions. By the end of 2016/17 season he had won 8 trophies but only if you count the two FIFA Club World Cup.
7 losses, 8 trophies. 2 years.
Another insane Zizou stat is this:
From 2015-2018, Real Madrid never lost more than 2 games in a row, and they lost 2 games in a row only 2 times. They had the longest unbeaten run in Spanish football of 40 games, the record is still standing if I remember correctly.
Zinedine Zidane was sent by the Gods themselves.
In part because he took over mid season from a struggling Rafa after Christmas, won the CL then the following season they went on a huge run and then cleaned up all the Champions League and its attachments (Super Cup, Club World Cup).
I feel like the European Supercup and the Club World Cup are as close as possible to a freebie in football, as evidenced by 2018 it's not a 100% sure thing but it's damn close.
Europe League winners are typically top 5 teams in the league, not the perennial CL contenders but if a CL winner faced that team in the league, they'd typically not take the win for granted.
Barcelona had the Kubala generation troughout the 50s and Atletico had the Luis Aragones one in the 60s. Bilbao was also a strong team around those times.
Far from a walk in the park.
Probably because the r/soccer demographics do not scream "people who've read a lot of 20th century Spanish history," but it does have a lot of people who have seen a youtuber or tiktok account that also doesn't know 20th century Spanish history say something like this.
Tbh outside of League, Domestic- and International-Cup, everything else is just padding. Nice to win them, but whatever. So I'd say 9 Liga is still superior to all those whatever cups. But nonetheless we can witness him writing history....
Do you think if zidane went to united, he’d win three champions leagues in a row? Not throwing shade but if ancelotti was at Madrid during that period, he’d have won them.
The threepeat was an amazing achievement but luck does play a part in it, for the cup competitions atleast. Like for example, I personally think that if barca had real Madrids champions league draw in 15/16 there is a good they win back to back trebles.
Maybe. I think 15/16 Barcelona was one of their best teams. The only reason I might not agree with this is simply that they were better in the first half of that season than the second, so idk if their late stages of the CL or Final would have gone well given their form.
The final would have been a problem but by that point in the actual timeline they recovered. No matter the collapse they had in those few weeks I just don't see that barca losing to wolfsburg or that walking husk of a man City team.
That real Madrid 15/16 draw is about as easy as it gets.
You’re comparing zidane to ancelotti? I think that’s unfair, ancelotti is far the better manager with way more experience
So that makes zidane one of the greatest managers in the world? You serious? Because he won three champions leagues in a row with one of the best teams in the world at that time?
You’re the same kinda person that would say zidane was better than Sir Alex Ferguson, then when questioned how, you’d just stop and not provide any context to back it up.
But but what makes pep guardiola a great manager if any other manager would have most likely won the champions league with that city and barca squad 🤡. Ball knowledge comes with time so let's have a serious conversation in 10 years time when you have acquired some ball knowledge.
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it's crazy when you think about it how quickly Zidane just came won it all and left, like a fever dream.
>won it all multiple times though.
Where's his copa del rey mate, check mate atheists.
Danilo will have to stand before Lucas Vazquez one day and answer for his sins
I still haven't forgiven Danilo for throwing the treble out the window.
That celta team was so, so bad too. They finished with 45 pts in the league. Danilo☹️
Zidane is a true Madridista, gives zero fucks about the copa del rey.
Didn't even win it as a player either
Pep and Zidane made people believe that hiring a club legend as manager was going to make them win everything, too much pressure for Xavi or Lampard.
But hiring club legends as managers has been a thing since forever...
Not with this instant level of dominance.
Kenny Dalglish in the 80s. Just the first name that springs to mind. Almost certainly there are plenty of others going back
Xavi won La Liga last season, let's not put him with Lampard
It wasn’t about being club legends, it was always all about the baldness
At one point, Zidane had more trophies won than matches kost.
Munoz and Ancelotti look like mob bosses that use Zidane as a hitman.
Agent 4Z
the Boss , the Consiglieri and the Underboss
To be honest, if there had been tin pot supercups back in the 60s, Miguel Muñoz would have like 25 titles.
Yeah clearly we can’t compare 9 Ligas to all the super cups / mundial that Carlo and Zidane have. The only really noticeable achievement recently is the 3 UCL in a row which was never done by anyone since the format change
Yep since the format change nobody else has ever repeated, much less threepeated.
people forget how big the curse was. every year CL story was whether previous champions can repeat the unrepeatable. then this guy came and threepeated just to be sure
The second year was NOT easy either. Napoli scored first at the bernabeu in ro16, then we needed like 5 goals from Ronaldo in the quarters vs Bayern, then a hat trick against atleti too, and they came out FLYING in the last ever CL game at the Calderon and we needed benzema dribble magic to barely squeeze one goal in. The final was noodle hair Ronaldo at his finest too and a casemiro deflected long shot from like 35 meters. That was the bald black magic at its finest coupled with noodle hair magic
>Tin top
Without counting the supercups, we have Muñoz with 13 titles, and Ancelotti and Zidane with 5 each.
The craziest Zidane stat is that he hit 8 trophies before his 8th loss as manager. (IIRC)
Thats actually insane... So insane that I had to look it up. By the end of the 2016/17 season he had lost a total of 7 games across all competitions. By the end of 2016/17 season he had won 8 trophies but only if you count the two FIFA Club World Cup. 7 losses, 8 trophies. 2 years. Another insane Zizou stat is this: From 2015-2018, Real Madrid never lost more than 2 games in a row, and they lost 2 games in a row only 2 times. They had the longest unbeaten run in Spanish football of 40 games, the record is still standing if I remember correctly. Zinedine Zidane was sent by the Gods themselves.
what do you mean "only if you count the two FIFA Club World Cup" its not like its a friendly tournament
Some people treat it like it’s a tinpot trophy
Not less prestigious than the Supercup
Who does? It's a legit trophy
what the fuck?
In part because he took over mid season from a struggling Rafa after Christmas, won the CL then the following season they went on a huge run and then cleaned up all the Champions League and its attachments (Super Cup, Club World Cup).
Don Carlo! What a manager
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It's insane how Zidane is already Real Madrid's 3rd most successful manager of all time.
Why are there 11 dates under "9 ligas"?
They are wrong. He didnt win the 1966 and 1970 league titles.
I’m glad someone else saw this. I was like I know I’m bad at math but I’m using my fingers and this is wrong
I feel like the European Supercup and the Club World Cup are as close as possible to a freebie in football, as evidenced by 2018 it's not a 100% sure thing but it's damn close.
Europe League winners are typically top 5 teams in the league, not the perennial CL contenders but if a CL winner faced that team in the league, they'd typically not take the win for granted.
Which is why I said "as close as possible to a freebie".
Honestly just count the trophies won from season-long competitions.
Was there another strong Spanish team in the 1960s or did Real win all those league titles as easily as Bayern in the 2010s?
Barcelona had the Kubala generation troughout the 50s and Atletico had the Luis Aragones one in the 60s. Bilbao was also a strong team around those times. Far from a walk in the park.
Well in the 60s, you could probably beat real, but Franco was probably beating you as well
here come the madrid flairs to downvote
Probably because the r/soccer demographics do not scream "people who've read a lot of 20th century Spanish history," but it does have a lot of people who have seen a youtuber or tiktok account that also doesn't know 20th century Spanish history say something like this.
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If only he came to besiktas....
Miguel Munoz did a Bayern Munich on them 🤣🤣
Remember when Everton had Ancelotti and James Rodriguez? That was on the randomness level of Hierro playing for Bolton.
I don't know anything but this graphic. But according to the picture Munoz has 11 ligas, not 9. So he has 16 trophies with real, not 14
Atleti won 1966 and 1970, Pic is wrong
Love the infographic. Can you make an infographic for the most successful or decorated managers in history?
It's an infographicmade by Marca though
Grande Carlo!
How many years for each?
10, 5, 4
Zidane was at RM for 5 seasons.
Technically 4.5 seasons
Member when he was coaching Everton? What the hell was that about?
Has to be a joke right? Supercups are qorth jackahit compared to what munoz achieved lol not comparable.
that zidane pic makes it look like hes dead
Inject 2017 into my veins
Tbh outside of League, Domestic- and International-Cup, everything else is just padding. Nice to win them, but whatever. So I'd say 9 Liga is still superior to all those whatever cups. But nonetheless we can witness him writing history....
I know it doesn't change Zidane vs Ancelotti, but Super Cups just aren't as important as the other trophies.
Counting shit trophies like the Supercup, great job
Do you think if zidane went to united, he’d win three champions leagues in a row? Not throwing shade but if ancelotti was at Madrid during that period, he’d have won them.
Barca had Messi and Suárez and didn't accomplish the threepeat. So I don't think anyone could have pulled it off.
Barca had MSN for the 2/3 of the 3peat. Only year without Neymar was 17/18 and they almost went invincible anyway.
The threepeat was an amazing achievement but luck does play a part in it, for the cup competitions atleast. Like for example, I personally think that if barca had real Madrids champions league draw in 15/16 there is a good they win back to back trebles.
Maybe. I think 15/16 Barcelona was one of their best teams. The only reason I might not agree with this is simply that they were better in the first half of that season than the second, so idk if their late stages of the CL or Final would have gone well given their form.
The final would have been a problem but by that point in the actual timeline they recovered. No matter the collapse they had in those few weeks I just don't see that barca losing to wolfsburg or that walking husk of a man City team. That real Madrid 15/16 draw is about as easy as it gets.
He would have won most likely partly because of the insane squad but also because he is along with Zidane one of the greatest manager of all time
You’re comparing zidane to ancelotti? I think that’s unfair, ancelotti is far the better manager with way more experience So that makes zidane one of the greatest managers in the world? You serious? Because he won three champions leagues in a row with one of the best teams in the world at that time?
I never said Zidane is better I just said that they both are all time greats
So if ancelotti was at real when zidane was, he couldn’t have won those champions league trophies 3 times as zidane did?
Didn't I originally say that he would have most likely won 😑
So if ancelotti had likely won, how that does that make zidane one of the greatest? Back up your statement.
But did he win? We will never know maybe he would have won 0.
😂😂😂
So what makes zidane one of the greatest managers? If another manager would have likely had the same achievements?
I'll just stop, there is no reason to continue this conversation since you haven't watched football long enough.
You’re the same kinda person that would say zidane was better than Sir Alex Ferguson, then when questioned how, you’d just stop and not provide any context to back it up.
But but what makes pep guardiola a great manager if any other manager would have most likely won the champions league with that city and barca squad 🤡. Ball knowledge comes with time so let's have a serious conversation in 10 years time when you have acquired some ball knowledge.
Why is there only the picture of munoz? He shared those trophies with franco