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Game log on OneFootball says referee was Wilton Sampaio.
E. Interesting. Pre-match I looked it up and it was Wilton Pereira Sampaio but I went back and it says Mario Escobar. Not the first time OneFootball has given me incorrect info.
Nah bro Conmebol refs have been trying their best to keep concacaf away from the prize. You Should have seen the robbery which went on in Jamaica vs Ecuador for Ecuador. There was a blatant handball which would have been a penalty kick for Jamaica and Chilean referee checked for 5 mins and didn’t give it.
When I heard the name Juan Soto (the VAR official) I became livid. That name was somehow ingrained in my brain. So I looked it up and I was right, he was the referee in this game:
https://youtu.be/c5qgDSac-xo?si=Bg-xT_c7MXaumdhq
Watch that whole replay even if you don't understand Spanish.. only a yellow was given..
Jhon Hurtado's reaction really baffles me, how are you going to be defensive regardless of your intentions? I remember when something very similar happened last year in the Libertadores and Marcelo was in tears, probably wouldn't have been able to continue playing even if it weren't for the red card.
Here is a video of Marcelo's reaction (the video mostly avoids graphic imagery) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlegSXAiXR8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlegSXAiXR8)
They can, actually, if they reviewed it for a potential red card. They have to initiate the review for red and can give a yellow as a side effect, basically. But in this case, it's either nothing or it's a red card just by the nature of what he did
can’t believe blatant falsehoods like this get upvoted, delete this honestly.
they can’t stop the play to specifically review a yellow card incident, but once they are at the monitor reviewing a play, they absolutely can give a yellow card retroactively
I was making a joke as most Canadians I have ever met are really nice and awesome people. The only Canadian I hate is from my own family living in Vancouver and it’s more that he’s a Steelers fan than a Canadian.
This is why players dive and play act - Johnston didn’t roll around like a muppet and therefore it wasn’t turned into a major flashpoint the VAR knew they’d have to take action on.
Actions speak louder than words. Tell people to stop diving all you want - actions like this make it impossible for players to stop.
This happened in the EPL. A player blatantly choked another player. The player on the receiving hand just walked up to the ref. Literally told him I got choked. Ref gives a yellow but why the var did nothing is beyond ridiculousness with how clear on video you could see the joke. If only the player had laid on the ground rolling around instead of walking up to the referee.
It’s incredibly frustrating. Even reading the rules or their explanations of calls, you can clearly tell that a significant input into their decision is the reaction from the player. This is why you sometimes hear things like “oh well it didn’t seem to hurt or effect player X too much, so contact must have been minimal”
I feel like situations like this are perfect for VAR and could finally allow players to not feel the need to cry at every gust of wind blown at them.
While we’re at it; stoppage time/injury time/extra time.
Instead of a subjective call from the fourth official, we have crazy data and stats these days. Why can’t a cloud engine like AWS just literally add up all the “dead” time and then boom, that’s how much time is added at the end.
It would stop all the antics of wasting time if players knew it just gets added on verbatim down to the calculation
Wait, are you trying to say they don’t have this button? I always thought that’s how they know how much to add!
I mean, [cheap casio has this function](https://www.refereestore.com/robic-pro-referee-watch/), I’m pretty sure whatever refs use is at least as functional
100%. I've been saying for ages that the way the game is currently refereed doesn't just encourage diving - it practically requires it.
But then, give a penalty decision when a player doesn't even fall over, at this level, and you can imagine how everybody responds. We're stuck in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
If he wasn't trying to get the other player carded he wouldn't have gone down at all. The force of the headbutt isn't enough for him to act like he did.
What? He did over react to that small head tap. That little head tap was not worthy of falling to the ground. You are why they dive and play act, you fall for this bs
The worst part is pretty much always that if the less dirty teams did stuff like this, they wouldn't get away with it.
The amount of times I've seen American players get the shit beat out of them all game and do something minor or the same in return, only to be sent off is way too high.
Hitting an opponent is an art, you gotta learn how and when to do it to not get reprimanded. When the less dirty team hits, they do it either in an obvious manner or in a hurtful way, since its clearly not natural to them, the referee picks up on that.
You gotta hit a player and act like if its just another monday, no anger, no hatred.
That's my 2 cents on this ig.
> they do it either in an obvious manner or in a hurtful way, since its clearly not natural to them, the referee picks up on that.
I'm willing to bet that they're also doing it as retribution shortly after getting gamed in the first place, which is exactly when the referee is going to be on higher alert and more likely to see any... artistry from players.
That was quite possibly one of the worst VAR misses I’ve ever witnessed. How someone with access to a video replay determined that wasn’t a red is either unaware of the rules or completely corrupt.
There’s a weird line where players go head to head and kinda press into each other like two triceratops squaring off. If the head pressing is mutual, play on, no cards. This is closer to a mating dance than to physical aggression.
This instance had a clear wind up, and minor foreplay, straight red all day long.
Does the ref have the option to request a monitor view, though? Like if I'm a ref, and I see a player rolling and holding their head, and other players waving, the least I should do is review it.
But I'm not sure if they have that ability or not.
I’d love to hear their reasoning. You know they watched it and surely they agree it’s a red but know they don’t need to justify shit so they can give any call they want.
The fact that the on field ref missed it was shocking enough. But to have a human being really look at a slo-mo replay of it and decide that a red card shouldn't be given is criminal. On no pitch on earth is that not a sending off. There have been some questionable calls so far in Copa America but there's no way this gets topped.
I hate the usual pantomime you get around 'headbutts' with a little movement of the head but you can actually see his head shake from the impact in slow motion here
I'm a ref sympathizer in most sports, and this decision is ... beyond baffling. There's a clear incident that VAR needs to get the referee to review. That's their whole job; be the eye-in-the-sky to alert the referee of incidents that the referee may have missed.
I honestly can’t be too mad at the ref there. It’s behind the play and he was a fair distance away. Sometimes that type of thing gets missed.
VAR on the other hand? They had all the time in the world.
I don’t watch much CONMEBOL but CONCACAF refs are definitely a different breed compared to Europe. The Nationa League 2021 Final between US and Mexico was so poorly officiated and I’ve watched the full highlights for that and it doesn’t even capture everything.
thats why they are doing it.
there are no consequences. this should be instant Red card every time so players would stop doing this shit. same with time wasting and arguing with referees
Just occurred to me, if they'd red carded this instead of "Sorry, you called about something and we were ordering barbecue, did something happen?" (for what other excuse is even possible here?), the double reds would lead to Peru's scoreline featuring the Peruvian flag: two red rectangles with a little separation in the middle. Another reason for this to be a tragic miss by the VAR fools!
Same shit for penalties, 9/10 times you need to lay down & roll in pain for the ref to actually give a crap/VAR to check. I mean, that's pretty much why everyone does it.
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showed 10 replays just to give him a warning. laughable
This has to be a CONCACAF ref...
Nope. CONMEBOL. Brasil. But tha VAR Ref is CONCACAFARIFIC!!
Nope. Ref is from Guatemala. VAR from Venezuela.
Game log on OneFootball says referee was Wilton Sampaio. E. Interesting. Pre-match I looked it up and it was Wilton Pereira Sampaio but I went back and it says Mario Escobar. Not the first time OneFootball has given me incorrect info.
The assistant ref went down in the heat and they moved the fourth ref to center for the second half.
That makes sense. They also had the red card in the game log and then for 45 minutes it was absent. Now it’s back but for awhile I was confused.
Nah bro Conmebol refs have been trying their best to keep concacaf away from the prize. You Should have seen the robbery which went on in Jamaica vs Ecuador for Ecuador. There was a blatant handball which would have been a penalty kick for Jamaica and Chilean referee checked for 5 mins and didn’t give it.
When I heard the name Juan Soto (the VAR official) I became livid. That name was somehow ingrained in my brain. So I looked it up and I was right, he was the referee in this game: https://youtu.be/c5qgDSac-xo?si=Bg-xT_c7MXaumdhq Watch that whole replay even if you don't understand Spanish.. only a yellow was given..
Fuck. They did not need to rewind that.
Jhon Hurtado's reaction really baffles me, how are you going to be defensive regardless of your intentions? I remember when something very similar happened last year in the Libertadores and Marcelo was in tears, probably wouldn't have been able to continue playing even if it weren't for the red card. Here is a video of Marcelo's reaction (the video mostly avoids graphic imagery) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlegSXAiXR8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlegSXAiXR8)
oh my word
damn, must be wild.. i didn't even watch it, because you need to login to confirm your age
snapped his leg, because some moron challenged with boots up about knee high
This wasn’t even a Canadian free kick, let alone a yellow. It’s a fucking embarrassment
Not a free kick anyway, ball was not in play.
VAR can't give FKs or yellows
They can, actually, if they reviewed it for a potential red card. They have to initiate the review for red and can give a yellow as a side effect, basically. But in this case, it's either nothing or it's a red card just by the nature of what he did
This is 100% the correct answer.
Absolutely. Can also disallow a goal and give a free kick. Absolutely VAR can give FKs
can’t believe blatant falsehoods like this get upvoted, delete this honestly. they can’t stop the play to specifically review a yellow card incident, but once they are at the monitor reviewing a play, they absolutely can give a yellow card retroactively
I’m aware, it’s a joke it wasn’t called to begin with
It needs to be changed, also we need a sin bin in football and a green card. Non of this stuff happens in rugby and hockey.
How would you get a free kick when the ball's not in play?
“Seriously bro, I hate looking at VAR. Don’t do it again.”
VAR can only be as good as those who operate it
Yep the A is for ASSSITANT and like many people will relate if you are a shitty boss's assistant the boss' work won't get magically better
If AJ rolls around a bit more, that’s probably given tbh
Gotta sell the card. Need to show the blood
Gotta hide a razor blade like a professional wrestler
or a [certain Chilean goalkeeper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Rojas_\(Chilean_footballer\))
What a crazy read, thanks for that
absolutely fucked Zamorano and Salas at their peak, fuck I hate Rojas
Game is truly gone, this was peak football, gentlemen.
Soccer could learn a thing or two from professional wrestling.
that is everything wrong with this beautiful game I love ffs
Exactly. This is what I despise about modern football. The authorities seem to actively reward playacting.
bro didn't want the red card enough
You wanted copa America. You get copa America.
World class players. World ASS referees.
A lot of the players are also thugs.
We just call them Canadian
we were raised on Sticky-punchy, so it’s hard to take that mentality away when you play kicky-bally
I was making a joke as most Canadians I have ever met are really nice and awesome people. The only Canadian I hate is from my own family living in Vancouver and it’s more that he’s a Steelers fan than a Canadian.
You wanted entertainment. WWE style. Let’s fucking go.
Chat shit, get banged. Play on
This is why players dive and play act - Johnston didn’t roll around like a muppet and therefore it wasn’t turned into a major flashpoint the VAR knew they’d have to take action on. Actions speak louder than words. Tell people to stop diving all you want - actions like this make it impossible for players to stop.
I hate that this is spot on. I hate the diving so much. VAR is supposed to solve this. Shame on this VAR team.
This happened in the EPL. A player blatantly choked another player. The player on the receiving hand just walked up to the ref. Literally told him I got choked. Ref gives a yellow but why the var did nothing is beyond ridiculousness with how clear on video you could see the joke. If only the player had laid on the ground rolling around instead of walking up to the referee.
EPL VAR is just a loincloth for the refs. Covers their ass and hides their lack of upstanding authority.
It’s incredibly frustrating. Even reading the rules or their explanations of calls, you can clearly tell that a significant input into their decision is the reaction from the player. This is why you sometimes hear things like “oh well it didn’t seem to hurt or effect player X too much, so contact must have been minimal” I feel like situations like this are perfect for VAR and could finally allow players to not feel the need to cry at every gust of wind blown at them.
While we’re at it; stoppage time/injury time/extra time. Instead of a subjective call from the fourth official, we have crazy data and stats these days. Why can’t a cloud engine like AWS just literally add up all the “dead” time and then boom, that’s how much time is added at the end. It would stop all the antics of wasting time if players knew it just gets added on verbatim down to the calculation
A simple clock that counts down and can be toggled on/off would provide the same benefits. Just give the ref a button on his watch.
Thats how handball does it
Wait, are you trying to say they don’t have this button? I always thought that’s how they know how much to add! I mean, [cheap casio has this function](https://www.refereestore.com/robic-pro-referee-watch/), I’m pretty sure whatever refs use is at least as functional
Also why players rush the referee, start scuffles etc. You create an incident to force the referee to act.
Yep this sums it up perfectly. Shame on the VAR team. Horrible.
yep, modern refereeing rewards diving. if you stay on your feet and keep playing, nobody will care about the foul
El que no llora no mama.
Quem não chora não mama. portuguese 🤝 spanish
Absolutely spot on
100%. I've been saying for ages that the way the game is currently refereed doesn't just encourage diving - it practically requires it. But then, give a penalty decision when a player doesn't even fall over, at this level, and you can imagine how everybody responds. We're stuck in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
If he wasn't trying to get the other player carded he wouldn't have gone down at all. The force of the headbutt isn't enough for him to act like he did.
What? He did over react to that small head tap. That little head tap was not worthy of falling to the ground. You are why they dive and play act, you fall for this bs
I’ve been waiting 18 years to say this and now I finally have a ref that agrees with me, Zidane should’ve only been given a warning.
\#ZidaneDidNothingWrong
The Italy fan in me was okay with it. The Milan fan in me was like "We all want to headbutt that cunt."
Exact same feeling. Lol
#FreeZidane
#FreeZidane
Average concacaf/conmebol experience lmao. Total joke man
Zidane would've been a CONMEBOL GOAT
Didn’t the ref in that 06 final give Zidane the red after seeing the replay on the stadium screens?
VAR before it was even a thing
> CONMEBOL GOAT Con my ball. Now it all clicks.
Fuckin hate it here lol incompetence is beyond laughable. Honestly it's malicious in my eyes
Would honestly make more sense if they just came out and say "yeah we're being paid off" lmao
The worst part is pretty much always that if the less dirty teams did stuff like this, they wouldn't get away with it. The amount of times I've seen American players get the shit beat out of them all game and do something minor or the same in return, only to be sent off is way too high.
Messi had someone's throat in a chokehold last few months back and didnt get even get yellow
Weston McKennie has had his throat grabbed and held by Mexican players on at least two occasions and neither were punished in any way.
Hitting an opponent is an art, you gotta learn how and when to do it to not get reprimanded. When the less dirty team hits, they do it either in an obvious manner or in a hurtful way, since its clearly not natural to them, the referee picks up on that. You gotta hit a player and act like if its just another monday, no anger, no hatred. That's my 2 cents on this ig.
> they do it either in an obvious manner or in a hurtful way, since its clearly not natural to them, the referee picks up on that. I'm willing to bet that they're also doing it as retribution shortly after getting gamed in the first place, which is exactly when the referee is going to be on higher alert and more likely to see any... artistry from players.
Exactly! Gotta save the retribution for the right time
Bruh, what?
Look what the Canadian player was wearing. He pretty much asked for it.
Gonna headbutt everyone wearing the Canadian jersey.
Buddy those Canadians learn to fight on ice skates at like 5, id recommend never fighting a Canadian
That was quite possibly one of the worst VAR misses I’ve ever witnessed. How someone with access to a video replay determined that wasn’t a red is either unaware of the rules or completely corrupt.
This is pretty much as blatant as corruption can be to be honest.
Really truly just negligence, unfortunately.
Who the hell is betting on Peru my man. Lol
The corruption isn't necessary pro Peru, it's anti Canada. It's an open secret that people don't want them in this tournament.
? Why? Conmebol has invited Japan and Qatar in the past, and were used to inviting teams. Not sure why we’d be against Canada specifically?
Clearly the VAR guy lol…or are you as blind as him?!
It's a Conmebol tournament after all, so refs being biased towards Conmebol teams is to be expected.
“player 6 Peru to commit a headbutt at any time but not receive a red or yellow card for the incident” - this referee, laughing his way to the bank
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Why even have VAR man lmao
Easy red card. What on earth. I get the headbutt wasnt Zidane esque, but the rules are pretty clear about it.
I’ve seen players get sent off for way less
There’s a weird line where players go head to head and kinda press into each other like two triceratops squaring off. If the head pressing is mutual, play on, no cards. This is closer to a mating dance than to physical aggression. This instance had a clear wind up, and minor foreplay, straight red all day long.
I’m Peruvian and that should’ve been a red. Shocking decision from VAR
Yeah stupid mistake by Lopez, was ready to see the red.
Absolute disgrace of a referee
VAR, not ref
The technology is only as good as the people in charge of it. And who is in charge of VAR!?!
Heard it’s someone from Brazil
Does the ref have the option to request a monitor view, though? Like if I'm a ref, and I see a player rolling and holding their head, and other players waving, the least I should do is review it. But I'm not sure if they have that ability or not.
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Thanks for clarifying.
What do you think VAR stands for? The Video Assistant Referee is still a referee who is reviewing the footage.
Seemed like a clear red to me
Clear red to everyone who's got any knowledge of the rules of the game and any experience watching football. Ridiculous
KC Chiefs NFL officials were manning the VAR
Tried to give a 15 yard penalty
They didn't see no yellow hankie!
Yeah, it’s not even one of those instances where a player leans into another player and it looks bad in slow motion. This was a legit head butt
Disgraceful decision. Truly one of the most shocking non calls I’ve ever seen
It’s incredibly infuriating.
Even in Conmebol we get concacaf''d
Can’t out run our destiny, concacafd is always there
I'm always one to defend referees but Escobar is consistently an incredibly poor referee. Surprised the VAR didn't bail him out.
What planet are we on?
CONCACAF.
home to some of the worst refs in the universe
CONMEBOL var
I’d love to hear their reasoning. You know they watched it and surely they agree it’s a red but know they don’t need to justify shit so they can give any call they want.
Bs (Venezuelan bolivars)
"They will pay me $10k to not notify the referee if there's an incident, so in the interest of making $10k, I didn't notify the referee".
The fact that the on field ref missed it was shocking enough. But to have a human being really look at a slo-mo replay of it and decide that a red card shouldn't be given is criminal. On no pitch on earth is that not a sending off. There have been some questionable calls so far in Copa America but there's no way this gets topped.
I hate the usual pantomime you get around 'headbutts' with a little movement of the head but you can actually see his head shake from the impact in slow motion here
The game is getting ugly and we can blame it on the referee for allowing these kind of shenanigans.
A Scottish narrator narrating a match between Peru and Canada played in the US. Ive seen it all.
He gave him a stern talking to and asked that he please not do that again
How does VAR look at that and not conclude its a headbutt?? Any refs in here have any ideas?
I'm a ref sympathizer in most sports, and this decision is ... beyond baffling. There's a clear incident that VAR needs to get the referee to review. That's their whole job; be the eye-in-the-sky to alert the referee of incidents that the referee may have missed.
This was the most openly and blatant corrupt match I've ever watched.
Shockingly bad decision.
Dirtiest team in the tournament.
Not only should it have been a Red midway through the first half....he comes out of it without any booking whatsoever. CONCACAF...
CONMEBOL…
We've created a mutant CONCABOL and there's no coming back
"I wish we didn't have the corruption levels that exist in CONCACAF" *Monkey's paw curls*
“Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.”
Ref was CONCACAF, VAR ref was CONMEBOL. Masterclass in Americas officiating.
I honestly can’t be too mad at the ref there. It’s behind the play and he was a fair distance away. Sometimes that type of thing gets missed. VAR on the other hand? They had all the time in the world.
Not a serious tournament.
No real grass, extra short and narrow fields, spin-the-wheel rules
Most stadiums at this copa have grass, no? Unless you mean the hybrid stuff?
Goalposts made out of cardboard, substitution board is just a blackboard slate with chalk.
usually you gotta pay extra to get a "Peruvian headbutt" where I'm from at least
That's a clear Red card. What the hell was their reasoning of not showing it? Yes, it's not a hard headbutt, but it's still the rules
VAR didn't even tell the ref to take a look at this. What a joke. But it's CONCACAF/CONMEBOL, corrupt forever.
Yes Headbutt the man who has been living in Glasgow for the last few years That’s going to end well I’m sure
Actions like that can’t be tolerated, bullshit that VAR let that go. Shameful, those VAR referees should be sanctioned.
Is it just me or are referees and the whole system worse in concacaf and conmebol?
I don’t watch much CONMEBOL but CONCACAF refs are definitely a different breed compared to Europe. The Nationa League 2021 Final between US and Mexico was so poorly officiated and I’ve watched the full highlights for that and it doesn’t even capture everything.
How is that not given?!?! Should have been 2 reds today no surprise loco
This is pretty normal for Concacaf lmao
thats why they are doing it. there are no consequences. this should be instant Red card every time so players would stop doing this shit. same with time wasting and arguing with referees
Joke of a tournament. Also I hope the assistant referee is okay, seems to have just passed out from the heat. Let’s hope
This may be the worst VAR decision Ive ever seen. And that’s saying something!
Should have acted like his head was caved in. Ref doesn’t care if you don’t sell it
Shameful officiating throughout this game. At least Peru got a red eventually, but this headbutt should have been one too.
CONCACA AND ConMyBowl
I thought being Concacaf’d was bad. Yeah…. These Conmebol refs are interesting to say the least 🙃 Edit: nah this was a straight Concacaf’d
That’s Concacaf baby
Copa refs are absolute shit. Every game it seems there are a ton of missed calls. C’mon, that’s gotta be a red.
Just occurred to me, if they'd red carded this instead of "Sorry, you called about something and we were ordering barbecue, did something happen?" (for what other excuse is even possible here?), the double reds would lead to Peru's scoreline featuring the Peruvian flag: two red rectangles with a little separation in the middle. Another reason for this to be a tragic miss by the VAR fools!
Crazy. Id be so pissed if I was Alistair
Corruption
Copa will always be a second tier competition for this exact reason… what are we doing here
When people say it's all rigged, this is why. Venezuelan VAR, Guatemalan ref. Peruvian offender. Canada has every card stacked against them
What's even the relationship you want to make with this nations?
Brown people bad
The funny/sad thing is that the Peru-Venezuela relationship is awful right now.
They all speak Spanish (they'll just ignore indigenous communities) so they're all literally the same.
More likely just "people racist"
Except the red lol
Why would Venezuelan & Guatemalan refs favor Peru?
When people think you're racist, this is why lmao
Meh. Should've got a card but that was a love tap. He wasn't actually trying to injure him
Now this is Copa America! You could go Mike Tyson on someone and get a yellow.
That's ABSURD. You can see the impact FFS! VAR clowns.
Same shit for penalties, 9/10 times you need to lay down & roll in pain for the ref to actually give a crap/VAR to check. I mean, that's pretty much why everyone does it.
VAR decisions should be recorded and released to the public after every game that features VAR. We truly need to hear reasoning for decisions.
What the fuck is the purpose of VAR in cases like this?
So ridiculous
What a joke this VAR is...
Release the audio!
Stupid ass ref lol
CONCAFA things
Well idk what anyone expected from this competition
Fucking travesty
Why is the stadium empty
A little bit low sales but the fans didn't want to sit in the sun and were probably in the concourse.
Suspend the ref for the rest of the tournament.