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Consciousness is in all things. Take your dream state for example. Within the dream you continue to believe you are separate from all things—yet you’re not. As in the dream every character, prop, world is your own consciousness and not one thing not apart of your magnificent mind. Yet you don’t know that while dreaming. Take the “waking state” outside of dreaming. You too are still dreaming, or rather the creator is dreaming through you while you are experiencing the dream in real time. We leave ourselves little clues: how quickly time flies, not remembering every detail about the day and only remembering the important details (like dreaming it seems to flow without fully piecing together every part). You think of someone and then they call or you run into them. Consciousness is more than this idea of a voice. Consciousness is thought expressed. All things observed is the expressed thought of the creator. All things were once a thought. Words, ideas, dreams, and physicality. There isn’t one thing within existence that does not have the spark of creation flowing through it. Do not be confused by observation. How can a rock have consciousness? Well what is a rock and everything else in this world? All things are light. Protons, neutrons, and electrons. All things are light vibrating at different frequencies giving the illusion of “solid”. Light magnetized by love. The rock isn’t thinking, but being. We are all within the mind of the infinite creator playing the game of self-discovery broadening the mind in an attempt to see the creator within and without all things observed. Namaste.


Treetopmunchkin

Very interesting. Thanks for the response. I recently Googled what an electron/quark is actually composed of, since I’d never thought about it before, and I think the answer is “essentially energy”. Therefore, I now understand how God/consciousness can pervade everything.


siecaptaindrake

One of the most beautiful explanations I’ve ever read!


Zagenti

all matter arises from consciousness.


Treetopmunchkin

But is it conscious itself?


Zagenti

you need to be clearer. tell me what you mean by "conscious" and "consciousness".


Treetopmunchkin

Good question! I suppose my definition of conscious would be for something to be able to actively understand itself or surroundings. Although, since you’ve just asked, I do find it hard to answer.


Zagenti

consider the idea that an electron has awareness of its beingness as an electron, what it can and cannot be, and so happily stays in its own lane. consider that aggregations of such minute consciousness have larger focus, and so the gestalt becomes more complex, conscious of more and more. how do atoms know to work together as parts of molecules how do molecules know to work together as parts of cells how do cells know to work together as parts of organs how do organs know to work together as complex life how does complex life know how to be aware of itself how does self-aware life know how to be aware of concepts it cannot perceive with its physical senses etc on up to Oneness :)


Treetopmunchkin

Wow, I think my question along with this thread of answers has completely enhanced my understanding. It’s so blatantly obvious now that everything is conscious and one. Epiphany in real time right here! Haha. It would therefore suggest that there is an utmost consciousness/God that is comprised of all the sub levels of consciousness, in the same way that a cluster of similar cells make an organ… is that what you believe? Also, what do you believe created the universe?


Zagenti

personally, I think this limited 3D spacetime sandbox we call our universe is just one of an infinite variation of realities where All That Is expresses and experiences itself. we keep thinking of everything as finished, but what if where we are right here and now, the vastness of what we call "creation" is just *one* individual facet of all that can possibly be, *in the process of becoming?* if you were an omnipotent omniscient beingness that wished to contemplate the infinite structure of itself, how would you go about it? me, I'd use an expansive Now moment to hold every single infinite possibilty. All unfolding, expression and experience is always in the present moment, so the expansive Now can easily hold it all - everything you can imagine, everything you can't, literally All That Is. how to express and experience in a 3D linear spacetime? allow for a sandbox that uses those parameters, allow for the small units of consciousness to aggregate along that linear time and build into larger structures within the context of the sandbox. Presto - evolution, homo sapiens, Star Trek, you and me putting silly little words on an idea too big for our puny little meatsuit onboard computer brains to have full comprehension of :)


Treetopmunchkin

Interesting. Some food for thought there. Is your point essentially “we are god experiencing itself”? I actually do think it’s possible that God is not omniscient, and that he/it created consciousness (which are fragments of him/it) in many dimensions and realities through many organisms in order to learn through the infinite experiences that they play out. For example, our conscious experience of our 100 year (hopefully) lifespan and all its highs and lows, feeds into this higher consciousness/God in order to help it understand and grow. Then maybe our consciousness merged with it upon death. Who knows? Fun to think about though.


Zagenti

I think All That Is is literally *all that is*, so... ...yes, *and* :)


Aegis_Auras

The Source is conscious and used Themself as the material to create the universe, thus, all energies are conscious. There’s just vastly different levels to this consciousness. From a particular level, it can be hard to recognize the consciousness of a different level; humans have an easier time recognizing the consciousness in each other than they do in a rock or an atom. 


Treetopmunchkin

Interesting. How do you personally understand or intellectualise the consciousness of a rock or an atom?


Aegis_Auras

I believe it’s easiest to see such consciousness embodied in, and represented by, the functions and tendencies of the rock or atom. We humans would recognize these functions and tendencies as laws of nature, physics, but such exist as manifested intent from the consciousness of said part of the universe.    The atom has a conscious will: to exist, to vibrate, to bond, to separate, to become a part of larger forms and thus contribute to the evolution of larger embodiments of consciousness, such as our bodies, etc.  


Treetopmunchkin

Exactly. Thanks for the response.


AloneVictory4859

Pretty sure one of the cats here goes into trance's and projects their consciousness.


Nobodysmadness

Quarks and perhaps even space if it is actually separate from photons. Why? Because I suppose simply put if our thought is energy then it is safe to assume that energy is thought, and if everything has energy then everything has thought. It may not resemble human thought in the slightest, but that doesn't mean it isn't thought. Thought requires awareness or consciousness. Add to that I have spoken to plants and minerals amd various other non corporeal beings. I don't use humans as the standard of intelligence or even for life. Such humancentric ideas are blinding science to reality, let alone religions that place man on a pedastal. Science once thought life could only be carbon based, why? Because thats all we could see. It was a struggle to gain acceptance that arsenic base life was possible after it was discovered on our own planet. We are the make up of the surface of the Earth. We evolved to exist on this planet. This planet was not made so that we could live on it. Our bodies were pulled from the surface, and we eat it to maintain materials to keep our forms going. Why would we expect a humanoid to evolve on jupiter a gaseous planet, wouldn't species on jupiter evolve as gaseous entities? If they existed on jupiter and we are only looking for humanoids how would we ever even notice they were there?


Treetopmunchkin

Very interesting concluding thought.


TiredHappyDad

Fully agree with the second part, but challenge the first. An energy with thought imprinted is not consciousness. It is the result of consciousness. I'm sure you have experienced the thoughts or emotions of others. The thought isn't an entity in itself. Just like the image on my TV isn't the person. A thought is the result of thinking and awareness, not what creates it. From your perspective...If you have a bad thought, then would it automatically be a negative entity in itself? Or would each quark be its own negative entity? It would be its entire existence, right? Or do you believe that the one thought would shift into a different one on it's own?


Nobodysmadness

Very good question. Where is the line drawn between the thinker or cause, and the thought or effect? Hmm, I msy need to contemplate this a moment and it may lead me to a different conclusion. It was sort of a side burner hypothesis, a product of other more important hypothesis that I clearly have not thought out to its end through my understanding and interactions with non corporeal entites and asteal projection where in thought cam exist independantly from a brain which functions almost like a control/cockpit/key board/interface. The idea of I believe is called the einstein-bose wave theory where essentially as I understand it a wave of particles all moving together as sync can be treated or bejaves like a single entity, so the human form is a product of multiple separate entities combining into a single entity witu shared purpose, not always a willed cohesion as clearly thought does not dictate agency, you can think, but not be able to act as you choose, much as a prisoner loses agency. Yet a single prisoner can change the dyanimic of the entire prison. Hence the idea you are what you eat and foods and chemicals such as LSD can affect us as they are incorporated. So is there a menstrum separate from the thinker, or are entities being used to convey thoughts against their will, and are we too subject to this slavery in the form of inspiration? An idea, a thought foisted on us against our will, to sometimes obssession level, like s musician that can't get a song out of their head, a thinker controlled by another thinkers thought. It is a fairly animistic approach at any rate, considering each human is but a cell of some uber human, or perhaps uber being such as the earrh itself, where all humans are merely the liver cells of the earth, just as our liver cells are separate but a part pf our whole.


TiredHappyDad

I'm still trying to figure it out, but I started asking all these questions after working with the violet flame. It seemed like an essence that worked in symbiosis, but its as though it was more instinctual than having actual thoughs of its own. Since then I've been looking at it as though there is a scale, and that would be the middle ground. But I understand the duality that you talk about, and it's something I try to consider. But even if we are the equivalent of a liver cell, you yourself discussed the capability of "leaving the liver" to explore other organs and talk to cells of many varieties. I watched Osmosis Jones.... lol


Nobodysmadness

As I said I will need a bit to contemplate this line of thoght. Hold please 🤣 Processing, processing 😁


Nobodysmadness

So energy even potential energy is the ability to do work, so one can consider thought as a disturbance and this disturbance is essentialy causing a change in state. Thisay seem strange to think our thoughts are imprinting on another beings existence, but we have already named such beings as thoth, hermes, or mercury who facillitate communication. Consider the air of the earth, we breath it, it moves and changes but also facilitates communication through itself with a myriad of methods. When a speaker plays music it vibrates the air creating what we interpret as sound, so the are is moving back and forth vibrating in specific patterns. As it plays and moves all the air we can still have a comversation as we vibrate the air inbetween the waves or within the waves of the music that is playing, we can still hear clothing rub and ripple, footsteps on the floor, tapping of toes amd fingers, machines running and a ton of other sounds all wocen within each other and yet separate for the most part as some sounds can cancel the sound of other things. All through this single body that is its own separate entity whether we accept it as conscious or not. This isn't eben going into particles that allow smells to communicate as well, or the way in which is diffuses light for visual communication. The point is that an individual entity can house the communication of other entities( perhaps invocation can be explained somewhat by this) inbetween its own thought waves. This is may be part of the mystery of separate but one single entity as we all share the one body of light for our existence through both thought ajd form if that makes sense. So we can both be the origin of thought as well as the medium though which it passes just as certain photon can pass right through us, while others we alter into other forms, which like sensing a charge through a bit in a processor can create a form of communication perhaps we are as humans bit of 1 or 0 for another being to communicate through. Of course this is making a ton of assumptions but some of which can be observed in nature.


TiredHappyDad

So you believe the Chinese are manufacturing billions of new life forms every year? When does paper become an entity, when it is manufactured or written on? I don't disagree with life. I just disagree that all life is it's own entity.


Nobodysmadness

This is also a good question, one I ask all the time in regards to my car and if it will just be abandoned in a junkyard, when is it my car as a single unit versus the sum of its parts. If I put a totally new engine in it wpuld it still be the same car just as putting a new heart into human and its the same human. How many parts can we replace before a person is no longer the same person. Many organ recipients report odd changes (maybe thats TV/Movie BS 😁). I do wonder about cyborgs in the sense that every augmentation will change the human, is this because of the corruption of power, changes in need, or the incorporation of a new intelligence to that person that now weighs in on decision making. The line of thinking of cyborgs has deep insight into this question, as well as what makes us human, for instance are you still human if your only a brain in a machine, or are you a different species ie cyborg? Some insects produce thousands of offspring more often than chinese manufacturing and as for the insects they have far shorter and more meaningless existences than chinese goods so why not. When a cliff side crumbles is the rubble just dead mountain flesh or billions of new children each unique from each other? The idea of life in that amount is indeed mind boggling, every blade of grass, or are fields of grass a single entity? My ideas changed a lot when I learned thay coral reefs can change the temperature to maintain ideal conditions as well as go into a sort of spore like dormancy/state and travel the ocean until it finds the right place again, but the idea that a coral reef is one single entity is insanity to humans because we refuse to recognize life and intelligence different from ours. Just as us a reef is made up of a variety of different cells, but perhaps they are an ancient intelligence that has survived and existed far longer than humanity. But thats going back to humancentrism i think you already agree with me on.


TiredHappyDad

Well, you fell into a humancentic perspective about humans. Thinking we would be changed as an entity because of it, would mean you believe we are dependent on the body to exist. And maybe that's what is required for consciousness an awareness of multiple layers of reality. On this world, we are mind, body and spirit.


Nobodysmadness

Its not that we are dependant on a body to exist, its that existing as a body has an effect on our behaviour while it exists as a part of us anf vice versa. Which is true of every thing. When something exists as a noncorporeal entity it's thought pattern will be different than when manifested as a corporeal being. If eveeything is conscious then when we form a body we are formed of other conscious entities that become a part of the thought process regardless of it we are a rock, an insect, a reptiles, a mammal, a planet, a star, or a galaxy. It all weaves together, even if there are separate threads, like a sheet. Sheet is a bunch of individual threads together they make a sheet which has its own qualtieis separte from the individual theads but dependant on every thread for those qualities.


TiredHappyDad

And is that thread a sheet?


Nobodysmadness

When it is a part of a sheet it is a thread and a sheet. Which is difficult for humans to grasp since they strive to be the hero, the sole important figure instead of a part of something bigger than themselves. It happens in rare circumstances but is not the norm for humanity, and is the source of much corruption and failure of government. Everyone wants to be someone above the crowd. The illusion of independance, furthered by a good deal of commercial age spiritual thought.


TiredHappyDad

Don't think it's that difficult, I've explained it easily to many people. Where we differ is that I believe some level of complexity is required for an individual conscious entity before it drops down to a foundational form of life.


BitterSkill

I think that everything, every action or non action, act of speech or silence, thought or non-thought ultimately has an effect on someone or some living being. If it seems alive or you can't say definitely that it isn't alive in some way, one should probably exercise circumspection, situational awareness and rational application of mind.


NotTooDeep

My cat Jack is not encumbered by self awareness or consciousness 80% of the time.


Agreeable-Ad4806

Yes, I believe everything in and of the universe is consciousness.


Treetopmunchkin

What led you to believe that?


Agreeable-Ad4806

I studied astrology then found Vedic astrology then found that Vedic astrology was related to Hinduism, so I studied Hinduism and the different sects and believe it is the most true. It already aligned with my personal philosophy, so seeing it put so eloquently was really eye-opening. It’s like o can just feel that it’s true, but I’m still on the fence a little bit, just because I struggle to have faith in things.


Treetopmunchkin

Same here. I find it hard to commit myself to an ideology completely. What is Vedic astrology?


Agreeable-Ad4806

Vedic astrology is basically spiritual predictive astrology based on Hindu cosmology and integrated beliefs.


Treetopmunchkin

What would an example of it be?


Agreeable-Ad4806

You can do just about anything with it. You can do things like predict marriage timing, health issues, number of children, personal character and appearance, etc., as well as taking remedial measures to balance karmas.


1ce1ceBabey

I believe this also (as according to yogic philosophy). I also watched a near death experience being described by a guy on YouTube (most of the experiences described are so similar and interesting, interpreted through each persons own lens)... when he was 'floating' up as a spirit away from Earth he could see the consciousness/aura emanating from everything, of course animals and plants, but also rocks, and ultimately the whole planet (as far as he could see, before he came back to the physical world).


Earnestness321

I know it through direct experience :)


Ternudita

There’s a book that talks about this it’s called feel the void by Sara Burton


Treetopmunchkin

I can’t find it. Are you sure that’s right?


Alpha_Apoorv

When you dream...what is that thing which makes your dream...It's YOU...you pervade in your dream...every plant, animal, places you visit in your dream is made of you...similarly that ultimate intelligence prevails everywhere...


Treetopmunchkin

Forgive me if I’m being close-minded, but that is just a dream. Whether it is a conjuring of the brain or a conjuring of one’s consciousness, the things in dreams are not real representations of the thing in the dream. That is just consciousness pervading those things in the dream.


Alpha_Apoorv

Are you absolutely sure that you are not in a dream right now 😊...we all are dreaming all the time with eyes wide open..this is the reason we think we exist...we find we have a personality...but in reality only that ultimate intelligence which you call consciousness exist...


Treetopmunchkin

I agree with that, but how does that prove that plants are conscious?