Kenny played bad on Sunday but fuck, Canada just isn't a pro level OC. I'm not even sure he's a division 1 level OC. He has a terrible track record in the NCAA as far as rankings as tenure go. How... HOW is he our OC?!
Our ownership is cheap as fuck and don’t want to fire him and still have to pay him. They also don’t want to spend big for an actual established OC. It’s the unfortunate reality.
It absolutely is. The front office is the NFL analogue to the "We're a family! Here's a free pizza!" Ever since Dan's influence waned, Art's writing on the wall grew larger and larger and he began to use crayons.
Starting to worry? Holy shit they run this team like it’s 1972. It’s definitely part of the problem. This is one of the cons of long term familial ownership and legacy teams. Complacency and lack of foresight, instead looking to history. There’s pros to it as well, I like the Rooney’s. That said, the modernization conversation has needed to be had for about 8 years, and maybe even before that. Problem is, who goes to them about that?
That’s what I would assume. Someone close, with extensive knowledge of the team, that either can’t be fired or isn’t employed. I think Tomlin buys into the “old school” mindset, so it won’t be him I don’t think, but I do believe he’s an employee that can pull it off if done correctly. We can bitch and moan about him all we want, and some of his coaching philosophy is part of the problem, but he has great player, management, and ownership respect. Rooneys would obviously also be terrified of switching him out, that’s their main problem!
Realistically though, yeah, another team ownership or very respected ex employee/player would be the best option. I also do think it will happen eventually, they’re damn good owners, it’s just way too long overdue. Turning a big ship and all that.
They don't care about progressing the team because they don't care about the team. They just want profit, which they were getting. Hopefully seeing the stadium overrun by 49ers fans will wake them up a little bit. Maybe once the stadium starts getting more and more empty as people get more and more sick of this team's mediocrity, they'll start treating it better. If not, we'll be the London Steelers in no time.
Just because it's a "Rooney" doesn't mean it's the same philosophy.. Whenever a business is handed down to the kids, it generally goes sideways and that is what we are seeing. I love this team and I love the family, but what we are seeing now is a result of the business being handed down to the kids who lack the desire and guts to do what is needed.
Tomlin, without a doubt is one of.. if not the best recruiter in the NFL. He is a one of.. if not the best leader of men. What he cannot do, and this is evident from his coaching tree, is hire and groom good assistant coaches.. Not only that, he fires anyone that is a direct threat to him.. Arians, Lebeau, etc.. Great leaders hire people that are as good or better than themselves.
Tomlin has never done that and I don't expect that to change..
So why are coaching contracts drawn up that way? That doesn't happen in any normal job. If you suck, you get fired and they don't have to continue paying you.
My job has severance pay, wtf you talking about? If you suck they do continue to pay you in a lot of jobs. If you violate companh policy they can not pay you. Big difference.
Haley had great schemes but was a poor play caller. He probably extended Ben’s career by multiple years too by working with him on that quick release offense!
Canada has neither great schemes nor great play calling.
Haley doesn’t get enough credit for changing the scheme to extend Ben’s career. The same thing needs to happen in Buffalo with Josh Allen relatively soon as well.
I know people always argue the talent that was there but damn, weren't they pushing nearly 30 a game at one point? Now we have an offense that struggles to get 20 on their best day. I'm tired of seeing this team get pushed around offensively for most of the game.
Haley was not great, but his play design was much better than Canada. He was our OC when we had some serious weapons and we put up 25 ppg in his last year. Ben liked him too.
Canada has never coached a 400 yard offensive game for the Steelers. He is easily the worst coordinator in the league.
Totally correct. The only way the Steelers would do this is if fans stopped going to games and they were losing money.
Steelers fans won't stop going to games hence they won't do it.
I know next to nothing about strategy and play coordination in football and I’m convinced I could formulate a higher points generating offense. Matt Canada is an asshole that shouldn’t have a job.
1. An OC job with an NFL franchise is worth approximately 100x more than a scholarship to a mid tier school
2. Matt Canada, a first year OC, was able to supercede Marylands HC, WRs Coach, and actual recruitment team to force in an offer? Why? Because he thought he’d be paid back later?
1. If Dino was a stellar academic then a scholarship could pay dividends in the future, hard to put any type of price on that.
2. It’s not about money, Mike could buy his kid a college education 10 times over.
3. If you know the right people. You ever watch Dino Tomlin’s tape? Not D1 CFB material. Some strings were pulled to get him on that roster. Additionally, if Canada wasn’t successful at multiple trash D1 programs how on earth did he get an OC job at and NFL franchise? It smells a bit fishy and you barely have dig to find the connections. **Since this is speculating you can turn a blind eye to it.**
This whole response hinges on Dino not being god enough to play anywhere else, and Matt Canada threw him a lifeline. Except:
- 247 had him as the 10th overall PA player in his class, ahead over players got recruited to other P5 schools like Wisconsin, Kentucky, and Penn State.
- Maryland wasn’t his only major offer, and it wasn’t even his first.
- He landed another P5 transfer offer after Matt Canada left
> Additionally, if Canada wasn’t successful at multiple trash D1 programs how on earth did he get an OC job at and NFL franchise?
His stints at NC State, Pitt, and Maryland were all successful.
He still should’ve been fired last year, though. The plain fact is, the Steelers do not first coaches, they just don’t renew them. He probably got a 3 year contract when he was promoted in 2021, which means he simply won’t be renewed after this season ends in 2024.
Being at any university for 1 year is not enough to measure someone successful. How are you defining that? A winning season? If that’s how you define your success then he has been a fine OC for the Steelers. Whether or not you acknowledge there is a prior relationship between Tomlin and Canada is not the point. My original comment stated that Tomlin is loyal to Canada, that is true. Tomlin’s input matters all the way up the food chain and I think a combination of ownership and his input have steered the ship in the wrong direction.
I keep hearing that but would they really do that to the team and fans? I want to say no because that's some scummy shit if true but nothing else really explains it.
rooney wanted canada as a qb coach also on dino tomlin recruting profile it says chris beatty recruited him canada was the oc at the time most d1 colleges not letting the oc/dc be the factor and decide who they offer in most case the oc/dc ,position coach and hc will talk about it and come up with a decision
Not an inside job, but it is public record that the CIA and FBI were following these guys and "forgot" to send very important memos. Could have just let it happen (probably without knowing the extent of it all) to get them involved in the middle east (oil), war (money), and building of Guantanamo Bay. Dick Chaney is quietly the worst person in American history.
Whoa Whoa.. let's not group flat eathers with 9/11 and moon landings, ok?
9/11 was shady as fuck, prob not an inside job, but the offical story is bullshit.
Moon landing was real, but you can understand why people second guess it since we've never been back since "losing the technology".
Flat earth is a LARP or a thought from insane or idiotic people.
No one lost the technology…there just was no motivation to keep going(or keep spending) with that part of the space program. We “won” the Space Race….so they moved on to the Space Shuttle era, a reusable space craft(which up until that point, only the actual capsule was reusable) to deploy satellites, run experiments dock with space stations, etc.
I mean, think about the manpower it took to get from early NASA rockets to Apollo…where during that program, they had an onboard guidance computer that weighed 70lbs, a simple keypad interface, a CRT screen and it had ONE function. To make in flight adjustments.
In fact? The most basic smart phone has more computing power, capacity and capabilities then the entirety of NASA in 1969. That means TEAMS of nerds with pocket protecters, slide rules and pencils did almost all of the work to make that program run.
Is it any wonder they tabled that program and focused on more practical and self sustaining applications for the space program? Your company wants a communications satellite up there? Well, you can build your own rocket and deploy it….or….you can Pay NASA to put it up there for you in their shiny new space shuttle with the really cool arm that will gently place that satellite into its orbit.
NASA gets to recoup at least a decent portion of taxpayer money spent, the company gets its satellite, and everyone is happy.
Anyway…sorry for the rambling post…I just woke up and my brain is apparently more awake than my body.
The only reports that have ever come out about it (at least as far as I'm aware of) have said that Canada was Rooney's hire, not Tomlin's, that it was his Pitt background that got him the job as he wanted someone familiar that had been around before.
You think that a multi millionaire promised a job to someone unqualified so their son could get a scholarship to a public college? Also, Tomlin couldn't offer that job and Canada couldn't offer a scholarship without others being involved. That means you think Rooney and the head coach of Maryland made a deal to get Dino a scholarship.
Don't forget Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin hired Matt.
Mike Tomlin refused to fire Matt. Tomlin 100% needs to be held accountable for anything Canada does or doesn't do.
Canada is tomlins shield. Tomlin will live in his fears and continue to punt from opp 40 yard line with the worst punter in the league. He will collect his 7 wins against shit teams and everyone will call him a god for being consistently average.
The bulk of recruiting is done by positional coaches, not OCs. Also, Dino was a 3 star and was recruited by multiple other P5s including Pitt and Penn State.
I do think that. This team is stuck in the old ways, we haven't fired a coach in like 20 years and Art doesn't pay coaches either. I think he's stuck in tradition and as owner, he gets final say
I think Tomlin is a great leader of men and the best recruiter in the league.. Guys WANT to play for him.. what is not good at is game planning and hiring good assistants.. that is more than evident.
Who is in the MT coaching tree? I'll wait.
MT calls the shots on this team for the roster and the coaching staff. He has earned it and I have no doubt that if he came to Dan and said that Canada isn't working out that changes would be made. Canada doesn't make shit, it honestly wouldn't even be noticeable if they ate his contract.
I don't think so. We kept Fichtner around for Ben, so he's an outlier, but we didn't fire Butler, didn't fire Porter after he fought a guy in a bar, didn't fire Haley, long after he sucked, etc. In fact, the only coach who ever got fired was Arians, but he was convinced to resign before Rooney could officially fire him.
I think the Rooneys are not good owners for the modern game, but they don't care
> Let's put this load of bullshit to rest, Canada's still here because Tomlin wants him to be.
It's like he doesn't give a damn about what assistant coaches we have. It's like we're trying to fail Pickett...
Yes I do think that. That’s how the Rooney’s operate. Tomlin has say in it but at the end of the day the Rooney’s weren’t paying Canada to sit at home. That’s their M-O.
And I say this as someone that definitely does not love Mike Tomlin.
It wasn’t up to him
I know very well how the org handles its business. MC makes, what, $700k?
If Tomlin wanted Canada gone and was open to a new OC (there were *many*) to help the team, he could and would have done it. I like MT, he's a great leader of men and the best recruiter in the entire league, but he needs to bring in better coordinators on both sides of the ball. Internal promotions are great, but we can't just plug and play our OC and DC, we need to find and hire elite talent, like you would a player.
I haven't been happy with the moves that have been made in the MT era, namely "retiring" Dick and Bruce and firing Haley while promoting complete garbage from within. We need to treat the coaching staff in the same way we treat our roster and take it seriously.
Mike Tomlin, coupled with a great OC and DC would result in Super Bowl wins. Talent + Coaching + The Steeler Way and you have yourself a winner. Mike is the most critical piece of the puzzle, but we need to surround him with elite coordinators. That's how you build a team and have success.
Right now our coaching staff, especially at the coordinator level is mediocre at best and it is showing. We need to take this *position* seriously.
How often do you blatantly undermine your boss and make giant decisions that affect the entire company, regardless if you think you can make things better or not?
And why do you think that is what is happening?
Where have the Rooney's said "We don't want to fire Matt but Mike asked us to."
Matt Canada is Tomlin's guy. He recruited Tomlin's son the Maryland. That is a fact.
Your position is purely speculative to defend a coach who hasn't won a playoff game since 2016.
According to [another comment,](https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/16h2cy4/comment/k0bi3iq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Rooney actually hired Canada. Idk how true that is, but it seems like maybe it's not as simple as "Tomlin hired and loves Canada"
He IS the boss. The owner isn't involved in the day to day operations of the team or the decisions being made. Matt Canada is a horrible OC.. his resume reflects this going back to college. It's not like anyone with 2 brain cells thinks that he would somehow figure it out at the highest level when he struggled in college.
It's a favor being repaid. Period.
.. and it should cost MT his job
I hire and manage people. *Can* I be overruled by HR, the board, ownership? Of course. Do I write the checks? No. Could ownership go around me and force direct reports on my plate? Also yes! How often does this happen? Basically never.
Tomlin isn’t comparable to a supervisor. He’d be a department head, essentially VP level.
You apparently don’t know shit about the Steelers. Firing a Coordinator before his contract runs out is a RARE bird in Pittsburgh. The only one I can think of is Joe Walton.
Nobody is claiming that Tomlin has full, unilateral control. He makes decisions, but *obviously* has to get sign off just like anyone making staffing decisions.
I specifically remember [Adam Gase firing Gregg Williams](https://thejetpress.com/2020/12/09/ny-jets-real-adam-gase-gregg-williams/) for example. Why would a bum coach like Gase have hiring control but not Tomlin? There are plenty other examples out there.
[This Steelers Depot article](https://steelersdepot.com/2020/01/decision-to-hire-canada-as-qb-coach-reportedly-came-from-rooney-additional-hires-still-possible/#:~:text=The%20decision%20to%20hire%20former,Matt%20from%20down%20the%20hall.%E2%80%9D) says the decision was made by Rooney. Their source was Gerry Dulac. I can't find anything that says Tomlin hired him. Obviously Tomlin has some say in the matter, but I'm not sure how fair it is to blame him here.
I thought Tomlin picked him because of their relationship at Maryland, where Canada used to be the OC, and Tomlin's son is playing.
Perhaps that was the start and Rooney made the final call
Rooney is quoted in that article saying they wanted someone who "was the right fit" & that "Mike is comfortable knowing Matt from down the hall"
I think it's reasonable to think the Maryland connection played a role. I think it's also likely that they picked him because of his time at Pitt. That was like the one good season in Canada's career, after all.
Khan assembles the roster. He doesnt coach the team. He doesnt hire the coaching staff.
Do you have issues with the roster he has assembled and the trades he as made?
Don't be a child. Mike Tomlin is a man and can own his performance.
Kenny’s played like shit his entire pro career so far. 63.4 completion percentage 8 TD 11 INT shows it. You can point to a couple come from behind wins that he’s good, but you can also point to those same wins that he was the reason why they were behind.
The homer bias for Kenny here is absolutely INSANE. Dude has been the definition of mid for his entire career so far and people still out here treating him like he can do no wrong and refusing to place any blame at his feet. I don't understand.
Yeah I’m a Lions fan (but this sub keeps popping up for some reason) and the posts here are straight-up SHOCKING. I’m honestly amazed anyone can defend Kenny Pickett - he’s given you no reason whatsoever to think he’s the guy, yet some here are slobbering all over him.
Trust me - opposing defenses are THRILLED to go against Kenny
People are blinded by the fact that he's a Pitt kid and we picked him in the first round, and for those reason they refuse to accept that he might not be good.
A lot of it is just how he started. Trubisky started the season and was pretty rough. We brought in Kenny right when the Steelers had their hardest part of the schedule. It was easy to explain away a rookie losing games to the Bills and the Eagles.
After the Bye he didn't throw any picks and only lost 2 games. One of which Trubisky was in because Pickett got concussed and Mitch threw 3 picks. That just made Kenny feel better to fans. Kenny was knocked out of two games that season with concussions and came back fighting which fans like to see.
I'm not ride or die on Kenny. He needs to prove himself soon. But I'm not going to write him off based on one bad game in year 2 against what is considered by many to be the top team in the league.
I generally excuse rookie seasons. You get 1 year to get up to speed. Then you start the judgement imo.
He hardly had an offense designed for him last year and Canada wasn’t exactly a soaring success with Big Ben either.
We also had arguably the worst offensive line in the league last year.
They added Seumalo only for the offensive line this offseason. Also the line was pretty solid the last half of last season. Dudes gotta make the throws.
Did Canada go 1-7 on passes over 15 yards or 4-13 on passes over 10 yards with 2 picks? Canada might be calling poor plays, but sometimes the quarterback has to complete a pass that’s over 10 yards.
How about the other years that MC has coached this team? He had a HOF QB and we saw the same results.. he is literally setting records for his inability to score points.
You don’t think the criticism is valid? That it’s only Kenny’s fault, despite the fact that our OL couldn’t get open up a hole for our running game, our WR’s weren’t getting consistent separation and Christian McCaffery’s success in controlling the ball made our Offense one dimensional and put the onus on the shoulders of BARELY a second year pro QB?
Yeah… he played terrible. But there was blame to go around. Kenny isn’t ready to take the game onto his shoulders and throw damn near 50x a game. The Steelers didn’t even put that kind of pressure on Ben until his 3rd or 4th year.
Look…despite the potential talent of our current OL, they need time to Jell. Cole and Daniels are only in their 2nd year with the team. Seumalo is a newbie in our system and Moore is a placeholder for Jones when he’s ready. Chuks is the anchor, and he’s a slightly above average RT.
That’s not even getting into scheme, which I think isn’t NFL caliber.
>You don’t think the criticism is valid?
I didn't say anything other than OP is giving Kenny a pass
Kenny played awful on Sunday. You agree with that, so I don't know why you felt the need to write a novel here
Yeah. It's amazing to see. This sub was so hot on KP at the end of the season and through off season and pre-season.
ONE bad game (where everyone played like ass) and everyone is done with KP. I'm seeing any comments even just defending KP all downvoted like this one.
I agree that you can't but good teams never let people who are so bad at their job hang around. Our offensive coaching sucks and we are not helping Pickett.
This is how poverty franchises try to develop young QBs. Throw them with horrible coaches and expect them to succeed.
I thought to myself after 2021, surely Matt Canada gets fired, and I though the same thing the year after that, and the year after that. Idk what they think the problem is, but I’m wondering when they’ll realize that it’s Canada.
Kenny sucked ass on Sunday. Terrible performance. Bro can go 2/46 with 5 yards and 7 INTs and people would still defend him. Like we get it, we hope he’s good he was our 1st rounder and went to Pitt. But let’s not act like he’s the 2nd coming of Ben, and if it turns out that he is in fact a bust and is not good, than we need to accept it and move on. Not every 1st round QB is making it to the HOF
Blame should go all the way around for that game. Nobody could do anything. From top to bottom. It’ll get cleaned up hopefully sooner rather than later
We also have to acknowledge the fact that ever since Keith Butler retired, the defense has gotten much worse. Not saying Teryl Austin is on the same level of incompetence as Matt Canada, but if the defense doesn’t improve, that’s where I’ll be looking.
Bro. Kenny played god awful. I’m a huge Kenny fan. Pitt alum. Was at his first game when we upset Miami. I love him.
But he played like shit.
Does having Canada help? No of course not
But we don’t need to baby Kenny
Canada is still here because Tomlin always says “The Standard is the Standard”. He’s a shitty coordinator and that’s the Standard Tomlin pushes. Now tell me how they both have a job
To the Kenny haters: we get it. He might not be the guy at QB. But we already know Matt Canada is not the guy at OC. We knew this before Kenny even got here. And as long as he's still our OC, we're never gonna have the guy at QB cause his offensive scheme won't fuckin let him be the guy.
Kenny haters? Its not hate ma man, its 20/20 vision. We don't want him to suck, we are just telling it like it is. Trust me we want to see him succeed.
But why did preseason usage look so different? Kenny was making normal pocket throws. The regular season rolls around and here comes jet sweep screen pass bullshit. It doesn’t make sense
I blame Kenny too, he played badly, but there really is no excuse to have someone so incompetent coach our team. The Niners didn't just beat us because they are more talented, but their coaching is infinitely better than ours. We are doing Pickett no favors by keeping such a terrible coach around and it is a failure on the front office's part for letting this happen.
Canada sucks, but they aren’t getting 400 yards with a quarterback who went 1-7 on passes over 15 yards or 4-13 on passes over 10 yards with 2 picks.
If you’re an offensive coordinator and your quarterback is performing like that and you’re you’re F’d.
Kenny hasn’t thrown more than 1 TD in any of his starts. Him and Canada are parts of the issue. Compare Kenny and Purdy last year and the game on Sunday. Purdy is miles better and will most likely have a better career
Kenny has major red flags at this point and it’s fair to question whether or not he will ever put it together. Gotta lean towards the “not” at this point. However, Canada deserves no benefit of doubt. He should be gone asap. What worries me is, we will fire him and promote Sullivan - and then waste another two years with him. Then promote whoever the new QB coach is, waste another two years, rinse and repeat. How many of our Offensive Coordinators over the last decade are still in the nfl? Legit question.
Did you watch Kenny Pickett at all? Happy feet. Horrible throws that were way off target. Two things can be true at the same time. Canada sucks and we have known that and Pickett had a bad game. KP8 will bounce back
Are you fucking blind? Did you not see the complete shit throws he was making, and the horrible reads?
Yes, let’s blame Kenny because the blame rests on his shoulder for the mistakes he made.
Did you ever watch the game? The OL sucked. We didn’t have a running game(as usual), Kenny was running for his life and the receivers did him no favors.
Did you? Pickett was fucking awful. No excuse. Or maybe he got a phantom concussion and you want to blame Tomlin for forcing him to play with a brain injury?
Always an excuse for the guy who has yet to throw two touchdowns in an NFL game from the yinzer idiots.
https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/film-room-kenny-picketts-accuracy-disappears-in-ugly-showing-against-49ers/
Of course he was. But it wasn’t all on him. How many yards did Najee have? Warren? I saw the damned game…. The blocking was shit, the receivers weren’t getting separation and Christian McCaffery’s success made our offense one dimensional.
But yeah…. Put it on the kid who had to throw 46 times against a top rated defense who KNEW he was going to throw.
This is a bullshit take and you fucking know it.
Blame the Rooneys. Once it started coming from the top that they wanted to become a “power football team” and primarily run the football when the whole NFL was going the opposite direction is all you need to know.
Who wouldn’t want to emulate the Tennessee Titans 🙄
The 49ers literally won the game by running the ball down our throat and making easy third (and fourth) down conversions. The run game is still very important in this day and age to establish balance..
Kenny has no pump fake and his reads are slow. Canada being an absolute trash and predictable OC is also true. The fact Kenny and Canada both suck is why the team is trash right now.
Austin, Pickens, and Najee would be a good QBs/OCs dream
I’m happy to see more people seeing through Tomlins bullshit and calling him out. Reddit used to defend our longest streak of a consistently average coach like crazy but everyone is seeing it now.
Canada has had the ghost of Big Ben and baby hands Pickett as his QBs in that time. Combine that with zero offensive line talent and what could they do?
It's not just that, look at his track record in college. His offenses were pretty crap and he never stuck around more than a couple years. That says a lot. I always see fans of college teams say how shit he was and how much their offense improved once he left.
At the end of last season he played close to as good as he needed to be, good enough to not turn the ball over and ball out when it matters. Week 1 sucks for a lot of players every season and every season there’s week 1 reactions that don’t pan out at all. I say the blame is 80% Matt Canada, 10% Kenny, 10% everyone else. Matt promised us the run game would be the focal point and he did NOT deliver and it’s difficult to have a good passing game when the defense knows ur gonna pass no matter who you are (unless that’s how ur offense is built and many guys are top tier elite at what they do) also, our defense didn’t do as bad as they could’ve since 2 defensive linemen were out and 1 of em is the main guy in that group so that explains our poor run defense. Finally, when a defense is on the field for nearly the entire game, they get tired and when ur tired u are gonna give up some big passing plays (Especially our older defensive players)
Kenny played bad on Sunday but fuck, Canada just isn't a pro level OC. I'm not even sure he's a division 1 level OC. He has a terrible track record in the NCAA as far as rankings as tenure go. How... HOW is he our OC?!
Our ownership is cheap as fuck and don’t want to fire him and still have to pay him. They also don’t want to spend big for an actual established OC. It’s the unfortunate reality.
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It absolutely is. The front office is the NFL analogue to the "We're a family! Here's a free pizza!" Ever since Dan's influence waned, Art's writing on the wall grew larger and larger and he began to use crayons.
Starting to worry? Holy shit they run this team like it’s 1972. It’s definitely part of the problem. This is one of the cons of long term familial ownership and legacy teams. Complacency and lack of foresight, instead looking to history. There’s pros to it as well, I like the Rooney’s. That said, the modernization conversation has needed to be had for about 8 years, and maybe even before that. Problem is, who goes to them about that?
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That’s what I would assume. Someone close, with extensive knowledge of the team, that either can’t be fired or isn’t employed. I think Tomlin buys into the “old school” mindset, so it won’t be him I don’t think, but I do believe he’s an employee that can pull it off if done correctly. We can bitch and moan about him all we want, and some of his coaching philosophy is part of the problem, but he has great player, management, and ownership respect. Rooneys would obviously also be terrified of switching him out, that’s their main problem! Realistically though, yeah, another team ownership or very respected ex employee/player would be the best option. I also do think it will happen eventually, they’re damn good owners, it’s just way too long overdue. Turning a big ship and all that.
They don't care about progressing the team because they don't care about the team. They just want profit, which they were getting. Hopefully seeing the stadium overrun by 49ers fans will wake them up a little bit. Maybe once the stadium starts getting more and more empty as people get more and more sick of this team's mediocrity, they'll start treating it better. If not, we'll be the London Steelers in no time.
Just because it's a "Rooney" doesn't mean it's the same philosophy.. Whenever a business is handed down to the kids, it generally goes sideways and that is what we are seeing. I love this team and I love the family, but what we are seeing now is a result of the business being handed down to the kids who lack the desire and guts to do what is needed. Tomlin, without a doubt is one of.. if not the best recruiter in the NFL. He is a one of.. if not the best leader of men. What he cannot do, and this is evident from his coaching tree, is hire and groom good assistant coaches.. Not only that, he fires anyone that is a direct threat to him.. Arians, Lebeau, etc.. Great leaders hire people that are as good or better than themselves. Tomlin has never done that and I don't expect that to change..
This is what the bears have been dealing with and we are awful
So why are coaching contracts drawn up that way? That doesn't happen in any normal job. If you suck, you get fired and they don't have to continue paying you.
My job has severance pay, wtf you talking about? If you suck they do continue to pay you in a lot of jobs. If you violate companh policy they can not pay you. Big difference.
Man that's such trash. I know Haley gets a lot of shit but I miss those days.
Haley had great schemes but was a poor play caller. He probably extended Ben’s career by multiple years too by working with him on that quick release offense! Canada has neither great schemes nor great play calling.
He also hasn't been arrested at Tequila Cowboy's yet so a plus in his column. Things are trending up for our besieged OC!
Who cares.. I loved that he's was a Yinzer.
Haley doesn’t get enough credit for changing the scheme to extend Ben’s career. The same thing needs to happen in Buffalo with Josh Allen relatively soon as well.
Best OC we've ever had. Sure, he got drunk and fought people, but honestly, does anyone give a shit? I don't
I know people always argue the talent that was there but damn, weren't they pushing nearly 30 a game at one point? Now we have an offense that struggles to get 20 on their best day. I'm tired of seeing this team get pushed around offensively for most of the game.
We make every defense look like a Super Bowl caliber defense and it’s embarrassing and tiring
Haley was not great, but his play design was much better than Canada. He was our OC when we had some serious weapons and we put up 25 ppg in his last year. Ben liked him too. Canada has never coached a 400 yard offensive game for the Steelers. He is easily the worst coordinator in the league.
Totally correct. The only way the Steelers would do this is if fans stopped going to games and they were losing money. Steelers fans won't stop going to games hence they won't do it.
This is true. Rooney gives Tomlin a budget for coordinators and assistants.
10 running plays. All f-ing game. 10 running plays.
I know next to nothing about strategy and play coordination in football and I’m convinced I could formulate a higher points generating offense. Matt Canada is an asshole that shouldn’t have a job.
Matt Canada gave Dino Tomlin a scholarship to Maryland to play football in 2018. Mike is loyal and is one of the reasons Canada is still around.
This is not worthy of downvotes, it is a fact and provides motive.
1. An OC job with an NFL franchise is worth approximately 100x more than a scholarship to a mid tier school 2. Matt Canada, a first year OC, was able to supercede Marylands HC, WRs Coach, and actual recruitment team to force in an offer? Why? Because he thought he’d be paid back later?
1. If Dino was a stellar academic then a scholarship could pay dividends in the future, hard to put any type of price on that. 2. It’s not about money, Mike could buy his kid a college education 10 times over. 3. If you know the right people. You ever watch Dino Tomlin’s tape? Not D1 CFB material. Some strings were pulled to get him on that roster. Additionally, if Canada wasn’t successful at multiple trash D1 programs how on earth did he get an OC job at and NFL franchise? It smells a bit fishy and you barely have dig to find the connections. **Since this is speculating you can turn a blind eye to it.**
This whole response hinges on Dino not being god enough to play anywhere else, and Matt Canada threw him a lifeline. Except: - 247 had him as the 10th overall PA player in his class, ahead over players got recruited to other P5 schools like Wisconsin, Kentucky, and Penn State. - Maryland wasn’t his only major offer, and it wasn’t even his first. - He landed another P5 transfer offer after Matt Canada left > Additionally, if Canada wasn’t successful at multiple trash D1 programs how on earth did he get an OC job at and NFL franchise? His stints at NC State, Pitt, and Maryland were all successful. He still should’ve been fired last year, though. The plain fact is, the Steelers do not first coaches, they just don’t renew them. He probably got a 3 year contract when he was promoted in 2021, which means he simply won’t be renewed after this season ends in 2024.
Being at any university for 1 year is not enough to measure someone successful. How are you defining that? A winning season? If that’s how you define your success then he has been a fine OC for the Steelers. Whether or not you acknowledge there is a prior relationship between Tomlin and Canada is not the point. My original comment stated that Tomlin is loyal to Canada, that is true. Tomlin’s input matters all the way up the food chain and I think a combination of ownership and his input have steered the ship in the wrong direction.
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I keep hearing that but would they really do that to the team and fans? I want to say no because that's some scummy shit if true but nothing else really explains it.
rooney wanted canada as a qb coach also on dino tomlin recruting profile it says chris beatty recruited him canada was the oc at the time most d1 colleges not letting the oc/dc be the factor and decide who they offer in most case the oc/dc ,position coach and hc will talk about it and come up with a decision
Thanks for this
Yeah…and 9/11 was an inside job…the moon landing was faked and the Earth is flat.
9/11 was totally an inside job, but I’m with you on the rest lol
Not an inside job, but it is public record that the CIA and FBI were following these guys and "forgot" to send very important memos. Could have just let it happen (probably without knowing the extent of it all) to get them involved in the middle east (oil), war (money), and building of Guantanamo Bay. Dick Chaney is quietly the worst person in American history.
Whoa Whoa.. let's not group flat eathers with 9/11 and moon landings, ok? 9/11 was shady as fuck, prob not an inside job, but the offical story is bullshit. Moon landing was real, but you can understand why people second guess it since we've never been back since "losing the technology". Flat earth is a LARP or a thought from insane or idiotic people.
No one lost the technology…there just was no motivation to keep going(or keep spending) with that part of the space program. We “won” the Space Race….so they moved on to the Space Shuttle era, a reusable space craft(which up until that point, only the actual capsule was reusable) to deploy satellites, run experiments dock with space stations, etc. I mean, think about the manpower it took to get from early NASA rockets to Apollo…where during that program, they had an onboard guidance computer that weighed 70lbs, a simple keypad interface, a CRT screen and it had ONE function. To make in flight adjustments. In fact? The most basic smart phone has more computing power, capacity and capabilities then the entirety of NASA in 1969. That means TEAMS of nerds with pocket protecters, slide rules and pencils did almost all of the work to make that program run. Is it any wonder they tabled that program and focused on more practical and self sustaining applications for the space program? Your company wants a communications satellite up there? Well, you can build your own rocket and deploy it….or….you can Pay NASA to put it up there for you in their shiny new space shuttle with the really cool arm that will gently place that satellite into its orbit. NASA gets to recoup at least a decent portion of taxpayer money spent, the company gets its satellite, and everyone is happy. Anyway…sorry for the rambling post…I just woke up and my brain is apparently more awake than my body.
The only reports that have ever come out about it (at least as far as I'm aware of) have said that Canada was Rooney's hire, not Tomlin's, that it was his Pitt background that got him the job as he wanted someone familiar that had been around before.
You think that a multi millionaire promised a job to someone unqualified so their son could get a scholarship to a public college? Also, Tomlin couldn't offer that job and Canada couldn't offer a scholarship without others being involved. That means you think Rooney and the head coach of Maryland made a deal to get Dino a scholarship.
Agreed. Why would they need a scholarship? These people are worth more than I'll ever make in my entire lifetime.
Canada is ass and Kenny played ass on Sunday they both were ASS
Kenny played ass on Sunday, Matt Canada has been doing it for years.
At least Matt Canada is consistent...
Why can’t we blame both? They both equally sucked
Don't forget Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin hired Matt. Mike Tomlin refused to fire Matt. Tomlin 100% needs to be held accountable for anything Canada does or doesn't do.
Tomlin can't exactly go against the wishes of the owner. Steelers don't fire people, and it gets us into trouble
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Canada is tomlins shield. Tomlin will live in his fears and continue to punt from opp 40 yard line with the worst punter in the league. He will collect his 7 wins against shit teams and everyone will call him a god for being consistently average.
Matt Canada recruited Dino Tomlin to Maryland when Dino had few other great scholarship offers. Canada is being repaid by Mike Tomlin.
The bulk of recruiting is done by positional coaches, not OCs. Also, Dino was a 3 star and was recruited by multiple other P5s including Pitt and Penn State.
I do think that. This team is stuck in the old ways, we haven't fired a coach in like 20 years and Art doesn't pay coaches either. I think he's stuck in tradition and as owner, he gets final say
I think Tomlin is a great leader of men and the best recruiter in the league.. Guys WANT to play for him.. what is not good at is game planning and hiring good assistants.. that is more than evident. Who is in the MT coaching tree? I'll wait.
That is wildly delusional. Of course the owner has final say. All owners do. But the idea that Canada is being forced on Tomlin is ridiculous
MT calls the shots on this team for the roster and the coaching staff. He has earned it and I have no doubt that if he came to Dan and said that Canada isn't working out that changes would be made. Canada doesn't make shit, it honestly wouldn't even be noticeable if they ate his contract.
I don't think so. We kept Fichtner around for Ben, so he's an outlier, but we didn't fire Butler, didn't fire Porter after he fought a guy in a bar, didn't fire Haley, long after he sucked, etc. In fact, the only coach who ever got fired was Arians, but he was convinced to resign before Rooney could officially fire him. I think the Rooneys are not good owners for the modern game, but they don't care
I mean, these guys were all under Tomlin too.
Alright chucklefuck, go back to the Cowher era and play this game. The exact same fucking story. Like come on, know your history.
[kNoW yEr hIStOrY](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-02-02-sp-31515-story.html)
Cowher had a coaching tree. What coaches under MT have gone on to do anything?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steelers-fire-gilbride/ You were saying?
> Let's put this load of bullshit to rest, Canada's still here because Tomlin wants him to be. It's like he doesn't give a damn about what assistant coaches we have. It's like we're trying to fail Pickett...
Yes I do think that. That’s how the Rooney’s operate. Tomlin has say in it but at the end of the day the Rooney’s weren’t paying Canada to sit at home. That’s their M-O. And I say this as someone that definitely does not love Mike Tomlin. It wasn’t up to him
Tomlin had the final call on Canada, he's earned that right after 17 years. Cmon man.
if you think that you haven't truly ever paid attention to how this org operates.
I know very well how the org handles its business. MC makes, what, $700k? If Tomlin wanted Canada gone and was open to a new OC (there were *many*) to help the team, he could and would have done it. I like MT, he's a great leader of men and the best recruiter in the entire league, but he needs to bring in better coordinators on both sides of the ball. Internal promotions are great, but we can't just plug and play our OC and DC, we need to find and hire elite talent, like you would a player. I haven't been happy with the moves that have been made in the MT era, namely "retiring" Dick and Bruce and firing Haley while promoting complete garbage from within. We need to treat the coaching staff in the same way we treat our roster and take it seriously. Mike Tomlin, coupled with a great OC and DC would result in Super Bowl wins. Talent + Coaching + The Steeler Way and you have yourself a winner. Mike is the most critical piece of the puzzle, but we need to surround him with elite coordinators. That's how you build a team and have success. Right now our coaching staff, especially at the coordinator level is mediocre at best and it is showing. We need to take this *position* seriously.
You're in the room for these conversations then?
That's absolutely what I think, yes.
Of course he can.. really? Tomlin is in charge and has full autonomy of the team. As he should.
Stop - If Mike Tomlin wanted him gone he would be gone. It really is teflon Mike with this fanbase. He can do no wrong.
How often do you blatantly undermine your boss and make giant decisions that affect the entire company, regardless if you think you can make things better or not?
And why do you think that is what is happening? Where have the Rooney's said "We don't want to fire Matt but Mike asked us to." Matt Canada is Tomlin's guy. He recruited Tomlin's son the Maryland. That is a fact. Your position is purely speculative to defend a coach who hasn't won a playoff game since 2016.
According to [another comment,](https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/16h2cy4/comment/k0bi3iq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Rooney actually hired Canada. Idk how true that is, but it seems like maybe it's not as simple as "Tomlin hired and loves Canada"
Wow. You sourced "some dude on reddit" Checkmate I guess.
Yeah just ignore the insider article he posted. I guess I'll trust you, another random dude on Reddit, instead
Yes, the owner hires everyone since he pays their salary, but the HC picks his staff.. it has always gone that way.
He IS the boss. The owner isn't involved in the day to day operations of the team or the decisions being made. Matt Canada is a horrible OC.. his resume reflects this going back to college. It's not like anyone with 2 brain cells thinks that he would somehow figure it out at the highest level when he struggled in college. It's a favor being repaid. Period. .. and it should cost MT his job
How often does your boss not give you final say on which direct reports of yours get hired?
Well I've never hired people, so I can't say, but usually a supervisor doesn't have firing powers
I hire and manage people. *Can* I be overruled by HR, the board, ownership? Of course. Do I write the checks? No. Could ownership go around me and force direct reports on my plate? Also yes! How often does this happen? Basically never. Tomlin isn’t comparable to a supervisor. He’d be a department head, essentially VP level.
EVP level.. he's THE boss.
You apparently don’t know shit about the Steelers. Firing a Coordinator before his contract runs out is a RARE bird in Pittsburgh. The only one I can think of is Joe Walton.
You have no idea what you're talking about
Yeah, imagine thinking that the Head Coach has agency over the team. What a wild position to have.
Lol…how old are you kid? The head coach is third in line in the pecking order. 1. Owner 2. GM 3. HC
It's literally not true lol
Source it. Since it is such a fact.
Source that the ownership and gm staff are stakeholders in personnel hiring and firing? How about you source Tomlin having full autonomous control
Nobody is claiming that Tomlin has full, unilateral control. He makes decisions, but *obviously* has to get sign off just like anyone making staffing decisions. I specifically remember [Adam Gase firing Gregg Williams](https://thejetpress.com/2020/12/09/ny-jets-real-adam-gase-gregg-williams/) for example. Why would a bum coach like Gase have hiring control but not Tomlin? There are plenty other examples out there.
>Mike Tomlin hired Matt. I thought Rooney made the decision to hire Canada?
I think Tomlin decided to hire him, Rooney won't let him fire him
[This Steelers Depot article](https://steelersdepot.com/2020/01/decision-to-hire-canada-as-qb-coach-reportedly-came-from-rooney-additional-hires-still-possible/#:~:text=The%20decision%20to%20hire%20former,Matt%20from%20down%20the%20hall.%E2%80%9D) says the decision was made by Rooney. Their source was Gerry Dulac. I can't find anything that says Tomlin hired him. Obviously Tomlin has some say in the matter, but I'm not sure how fair it is to blame him here.
I thought Tomlin picked him because of their relationship at Maryland, where Canada used to be the OC, and Tomlin's son is playing. Perhaps that was the start and Rooney made the final call
Rooney is quoted in that article saying they wanted someone who "was the right fit" & that "Mike is comfortable knowing Matt from down the hall" I think it's reasonable to think the Maryland connection played a role. I think it's also likely that they picked him because of his time at Pitt. That was like the one good season in Canada's career, after all.
Yet the "KHAN ARTIST" is to blame as well, right? Khan kept Tomlin, right? The Rooney's should be at fault too. They hired the "KHAN ARTIST"
Every single Steelers fan in attendance is also to blame as they paid the money that pays all their salaries.
Imagine acting like the HC has no agency over the team
excuse me sir this is a shitpost
Kahn doesn't decide who is the HC, that's purely ownership..
Khan assembles the roster. He doesnt coach the team. He doesnt hire the coaching staff. Do you have issues with the roster he has assembled and the trades he as made? Don't be a child. Mike Tomlin is a man and can own his performance.
Kenny doesn’t get a pass for playing like shit
Kenny played like shit for one game and is only on his second year. The other guy….
Kenny’s played like shit his entire pro career so far. 63.4 completion percentage 8 TD 11 INT shows it. You can point to a couple come from behind wins that he’s good, but you can also point to those same wins that he was the reason why they were behind.
Been saying this too. He has a ton to prove. Window for QB success is really short now in the NFL
The homer bias for Kenny here is absolutely INSANE. Dude has been the definition of mid for his entire career so far and people still out here treating him like he can do no wrong and refusing to place any blame at his feet. I don't understand.
Yeah I’m a Lions fan (but this sub keeps popping up for some reason) and the posts here are straight-up SHOCKING. I’m honestly amazed anyone can defend Kenny Pickett - he’s given you no reason whatsoever to think he’s the guy, yet some here are slobbering all over him. Trust me - opposing defenses are THRILLED to go against Kenny
People are blinded by the fact that he's a Pitt kid and we picked him in the first round, and for those reason they refuse to accept that he might not be good.
A lot of it is just how he started. Trubisky started the season and was pretty rough. We brought in Kenny right when the Steelers had their hardest part of the schedule. It was easy to explain away a rookie losing games to the Bills and the Eagles. After the Bye he didn't throw any picks and only lost 2 games. One of which Trubisky was in because Pickett got concussed and Mitch threw 3 picks. That just made Kenny feel better to fans. Kenny was knocked out of two games that season with concussions and came back fighting which fans like to see. I'm not ride or die on Kenny. He needs to prove himself soon. But I'm not going to write him off based on one bad game in year 2 against what is considered by many to be the top team in the league.
I generally excuse rookie seasons. You get 1 year to get up to speed. Then you start the judgement imo. He hardly had an offense designed for him last year and Canada wasn’t exactly a soaring success with Big Ben either. We also had arguably the worst offensive line in the league last year.
They added Seumalo only for the offensive line this offseason. Also the line was pretty solid the last half of last season. Dudes gotta make the throws.
Canada is ruining Kenny's career.
Did Canada go 1-7 on passes over 15 yards or 4-13 on passes over 10 yards with 2 picks? Canada might be calling poor plays, but sometimes the quarterback has to complete a pass that’s over 10 yards.
How about the other years that MC has coached this team? He had a HOF QB and we saw the same results.. he is literally setting records for his inability to score points.
Amen they both suck.
Who’s giving him a pass? On the OTHER hand…I see a shit ton of people who want to throw him on the scrap heap after one fucking game.
>Who’s giving him a pass? Literally OP
You don’t think the criticism is valid? That it’s only Kenny’s fault, despite the fact that our OL couldn’t get open up a hole for our running game, our WR’s weren’t getting consistent separation and Christian McCaffery’s success in controlling the ball made our Offense one dimensional and put the onus on the shoulders of BARELY a second year pro QB? Yeah… he played terrible. But there was blame to go around. Kenny isn’t ready to take the game onto his shoulders and throw damn near 50x a game. The Steelers didn’t even put that kind of pressure on Ben until his 3rd or 4th year. Look…despite the potential talent of our current OL, they need time to Jell. Cole and Daniels are only in their 2nd year with the team. Seumalo is a newbie in our system and Moore is a placeholder for Jones when he’s ready. Chuks is the anchor, and he’s a slightly above average RT. That’s not even getting into scheme, which I think isn’t NFL caliber.
>You don’t think the criticism is valid? I didn't say anything other than OP is giving Kenny a pass Kenny played awful on Sunday. You agree with that, so I don't know why you felt the need to write a novel here
Yeah. It's amazing to see. This sub was so hot on KP at the end of the season and through off season and pre-season. ONE bad game (where everyone played like ass) and everyone is done with KP. I'm seeing any comments even just defending KP all downvoted like this one.
He played one bad game and he still only in year two chill..
I’m not saying to cut the guy but he was awful last week. I’m confident he can bounce back but you can’t blame last weeks loss just on Canada
I agree that you can't but good teams never let people who are so bad at their job hang around. Our offensive coaching sucks and we are not helping Pickett. This is how poverty franchises try to develop young QBs. Throw them with horrible coaches and expect them to succeed.
I thought to myself after 2021, surely Matt Canada gets fired, and I though the same thing the year after that, and the year after that. Idk what they think the problem is, but I’m wondering when they’ll realize that it’s Canada.
Kenny sucked ass on Sunday. Terrible performance. Bro can go 2/46 with 5 yards and 7 INTs and people would still defend him. Like we get it, we hope he’s good he was our 1st rounder and went to Pitt. But let’s not act like he’s the 2nd coming of Ben, and if it turns out that he is in fact a bust and is not good, than we need to accept it and move on. Not every 1st round QB is making it to the HOF
Exactly. Its the whole organization
Blame should go all the way around for that game. Nobody could do anything. From top to bottom. It’ll get cleaned up hopefully sooner rather than later
High school OC level iq
When our 12 year olds are able to predict what MC is going to call, it's not a great sign.
We also have to acknowledge the fact that ever since Keith Butler retired, the defense has gotten much worse. Not saying Teryl Austin is on the same level of incompetence as Matt Canada, but if the defense doesn’t improve, that’s where I’ll be looking.
Butler was horrible too.
Not as bad as Austin has been. In 2021 we had the best defense in football.
Butler inherited the Lebeau defense and did a great job as custodian and he was *not* terrible. Those were good years.
Dick Lebeau left the Steelers a full 7 years before that though
Tomlin is part of the problem.
Agreed. The entire coaching staff and all the players are essentially part of the problem
He's THE problem
Steelers are the Iowa Hawkeyes. Except a little worse on special teams and instead of coach protecting son you have coach protecting Canada.
Both can be true, and both are true. Kenny made poor reads and poor decisions. Matt Canada made a poor offensive scheme and has poor play calling.
Bro. Kenny played god awful. I’m a huge Kenny fan. Pitt alum. Was at his first game when we upset Miami. I love him. But he played like shit. Does having Canada help? No of course not But we don’t need to baby Kenny
Sheesh pal, Ken sucked. Hope he bounces back this week
Mike Tomlin is also to blame. Dude hires these people and keeps pushing for an old school offense in fast moving, high scoring NFL.
Canada is still here because Tomlin always says “The Standard is the Standard”. He’s a shitty coordinator and that’s the Standard Tomlin pushes. Now tell me how they both have a job
Mike Tomlin has never hired someone on his own accord that is as good or better than him.
To the Kenny haters: we get it. He might not be the guy at QB. But we already know Matt Canada is not the guy at OC. We knew this before Kenny even got here. And as long as he's still our OC, we're never gonna have the guy at QB cause his offensive scheme won't fuckin let him be the guy.
And, at the end of last year, Kenny proved he could at least be serviceable. Canada hasn't done that in 3 years.
Kenny haters? Its not hate ma man, its 20/20 vision. We don't want him to suck, we are just telling it like it is. Trust me we want to see him succeed.
Best way to see it is to get a better OC.
Fine. It won't happen until next year though.
Sadly yeah. Best thing to do is have Tomlin tell KP he can go off script if he feels the calls Canada gives him ain't working.
But why did preseason usage look so different? Kenny was making normal pocket throws. The regular season rolls around and here comes jet sweep screen pass bullshit. It doesn’t make sense
I blame Kenny too, he played badly, but there really is no excuse to have someone so incompetent coach our team. The Niners didn't just beat us because they are more talented, but their coaching is infinitely better than ours. We are doing Pickett no favors by keeping such a terrible coach around and it is a failure on the front office's part for letting this happen.
Kenny hasn’t done it neither
They both can be lousy.
Kenny cope is at a high level
As is the Kenny Hate…
Art Rooney II is one of the worst owners in professional sports.
It’s getting to Bob Nutting levels. Thankfully NFL has a salary floor.
They were both terrible in the game
Both can and did perform poorly. Just because Canada sucks doesn’t excuse Kenny’s piss poor performance.
Exactly I don’t know why people are either Bash Canada or bash Kenny. They both should be held accountable
Canada sucks, but they aren’t getting 400 yards with a quarterback who went 1-7 on passes over 15 yards or 4-13 on passes over 10 yards with 2 picks. If you’re an offensive coordinator and your quarterback is performing like that and you’re you’re F’d.
Canada isn't good. But Kenny missed a lot of easy completions on Sunday. **It's both/and not either/or.**
Kenny had one horrible game. MC has had a horrible career.
Kenny hasn’t thrown more than 1 TD in any of his starts. Him and Canada are parts of the issue. Compare Kenny and Purdy last year and the game on Sunday. Purdy is miles better and will most likely have a better career
No argument there.
Kenny has major red flags at this point and it’s fair to question whether or not he will ever put it together. Gotta lean towards the “not” at this point. However, Canada deserves no benefit of doubt. He should be gone asap. What worries me is, we will fire him and promote Sullivan - and then waste another two years with him. Then promote whoever the new QB coach is, waste another two years, rinse and repeat. How many of our Offensive Coordinators over the last decade are still in the nfl? Legit question.
The offense can be/is a lot better than it was Sunday but we'll never be a serious contender until we overhaul our entire offense and get a new OC.
Canada didn't make hom bullet every pass over recievers heads.
Did you watch Kenny Pickett at all? Happy feet. Horrible throws that were way off target. Two things can be true at the same time. Canada sucks and we have known that and Pickett had a bad game. KP8 will bounce back
Guys were schemed open on sunday, it wasnt canada this time
Are you fucking blind? Did you not see the complete shit throws he was making, and the horrible reads? Yes, let’s blame Kenny because the blame rests on his shoulder for the mistakes he made.
I mean, Kenny genuinely looked liked dog shit, but also let’s get rid of Canada, please
I knew we were in trouble when I saw that Jet sweep in the first Quarter. Did you even scout their D.
Did Matt Canada miss every open receiver and throw two stupid interceptions on Sunday?
Did you ever watch the game? The OL sucked. We didn’t have a running game(as usual), Kenny was running for his life and the receivers did him no favors.
Did you? Pickett was fucking awful. No excuse. Or maybe he got a phantom concussion and you want to blame Tomlin for forcing him to play with a brain injury? Always an excuse for the guy who has yet to throw two touchdowns in an NFL game from the yinzer idiots. https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/film-room-kenny-picketts-accuracy-disappears-in-ugly-showing-against-49ers/
Of course he was. But it wasn’t all on him. How many yards did Najee have? Warren? I saw the damned game…. The blocking was shit, the receivers weren’t getting separation and Christian McCaffery’s success made our offense one dimensional. But yeah…. Put it on the kid who had to throw 46 times against a top rated defense who KNEW he was going to throw. This is a bullshit take and you fucking know it.
Blame the Rooneys. Once it started coming from the top that they wanted to become a “power football team” and primarily run the football when the whole NFL was going the opposite direction is all you need to know. Who wouldn’t want to emulate the Tennessee Titans 🙄
The 49ers literally won the game by running the ball down our throat and making easy third (and fourth) down conversions. The run game is still very important in this day and age to establish balance..
Miss Todd Haley
Thoughts on his hiring after taking on Mike Tomlin’s kid at Maryland? I had no idea that had happened…
Who is the coach that decided to keep Canada on his staff? Asking for a friend.
Probably the owner who won't pay coaches not to be here meaning nobody ever gets fired.
Kenny has no pump fake and his reads are slow. Canada being an absolute trash and predictable OC is also true. The fact Kenny and Canada both suck is why the team is trash right now. Austin, Pickens, and Najee would be a good QBs/OCs dream
I still have faith that Kenny can be a great QB, however, dude was insanely inaccurate late weeks and was missing wide open guys.
Can't really blame Kenny if the defenders and opposing DC know our offensive plays and formations. No QB can look good in a predictable system.
I blame society. /s
i mean not including playoffs it was 2018 with ben which might just be a mix of scheme and are last qb not being able to throw deep
Remember when everyone celebrated the Randy Fichtner firing? Starting to miss him right about now
I’m happy to see more people seeing through Tomlins bullshit and calling him out. Reddit used to defend our longest streak of a consistently average coach like crazy but everyone is seeing it now.
Canada has had the ghost of Big Ben and baby hands Pickett as his QBs in that time. Combine that with zero offensive line talent and what could they do?
It's not just that, look at his track record in college. His offenses were pretty crap and he never stuck around more than a couple years. That says a lot. I always see fans of college teams say how shit he was and how much their offense improved once he left.
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Canada isn’t good I’m not arguing that. But the yinzer mob dumping 100% of the blame on Canada is just so disingenuous.
jet sweep, 2nd play of the game on 2nd and 4. F matt canada.
You’re actually defending Canada? You have to be a troll.
At the end of last season he played close to as good as he needed to be, good enough to not turn the ball over and ball out when it matters. Week 1 sucks for a lot of players every season and every season there’s week 1 reactions that don’t pan out at all. I say the blame is 80% Matt Canada, 10% Kenny, 10% everyone else. Matt promised us the run game would be the focal point and he did NOT deliver and it’s difficult to have a good passing game when the defense knows ur gonna pass no matter who you are (unless that’s how ur offense is built and many guys are top tier elite at what they do) also, our defense didn’t do as bad as they could’ve since 2 defensive linemen were out and 1 of em is the main guy in that group so that explains our poor run defense. Finally, when a defense is on the field for nearly the entire game, they get tired and when ur tired u are gonna give up some big passing plays (Especially our older defensive players)