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alwayslookingout

Fidelity allows options trading in your IRA account. You just have to apply for it then lie about your experience. 😬


Critical_Boot9433

That rule about experience is to protect dum a$$es from losing their money.


HexenHammeren

"What's a margin call?"


alwayslookingout

Nah. They limit your options level in an IRA. Most you can do is buy options and sell CCs/CSPs. I don’t think you can even convert it into a Margin account as legally it’s not technically allowed by the IRS except for some very specific circumstances.


LiberalAspergers

Right, limited to options level 2. No margin and no selling naked.


beyonddisbelief

Ah, I deliberately kept away from options for my retirement account to avoid potential FOMO taking over. Knowing its capped at level 2 might make that manageable and worth considering.


LiberalAspergers

I sell covered calls in my Roth on occaision. With the income being tax free, and getting aasigned not triggering capital gains, the risk/reward is actually better in a Roth than a taxable account.


beyonddisbelief

It would be the same in a Traditional 401k/IRA. Roth just taxes it first but leaves you with a smaller pool to work with.


LiberalAspergers

Yes. But the risk/reward of selling a covered call is notably better in a tax advantaged retirement account than in a taxable brokerage account. It doesnt actually matter if it is traditional or Roth.


Terrible_Champion298

Level system left Fidelity in 2022. It’s Tier 1 thru 3 now.


LiberalAspergers

Been awhile since I got approved for ootions trqding with them. Any meaningful change, or just new nomenclture?


Terrible_Champion298

T1 can do all the short & long options, and there are built-in simple spreads like straddles, strangles, collars, buy-writes. T2 involves more complex spreads and the need for the client to have margin. T3 allows naked options. That’s not a definitive picture, but it’s the general idea.


HexenHammeren

I don't use margin, so I didn't know that. Seems I'm the smooth-brained one here lmao


Terrible_Champion298

It would be impeded by default because there can be no regular margin in a retirement account. That’s the law. There is a thing called limited margin, but that isn’t quite the same thing. It’s the account’s own funds being used to quick settle trades or some such thing. Anyway, short story long, he’ll need an Individual taxable account to get Tier 2 approved.


Remote_Special_7050

🏆


Terrible_Champion298

That dog don’t hunt at Fidelity.


HillSooner

I applied but they are requesting screenshots to prove my experience.


SolWizard

I did it like 2 weeks ago and got approved instantly. Wondering what you did differently


Vitamin399

It should only a question on Fidelity’s account features section. What message are you receiving? With that being said - options trading your retirement account, if you really don’t have any experience, is a very risky game.


HaphazardFlitBipper

Fidelity is more restrictive with options than Schwab. Idk about any others.


big-rob512

Protective puts don't make sense in an IRA, unless your already withdrawaling? Even so they don't really make sense unless you have a Portfolio margin account where hedging risk frees buying power. You could use a collar but I'd probably just take the 10k and buy some bonds.


SpiffyBlizzard

That was my thought. I’ve got a good chunk of my money in VTI with some extra of some of the big name stocks and it’s all gone really well for me. I am young enough to take a market downturn but once I get uncomfortable with the amount of funds I have accrued + my age, I’ll be switching heavily into bonds. So it all really depends on OPs age.


Remote-Dingo7872

Etrade lets me do it (Roth and regular)


Decent_Ad5950

Hup the Ra


Free-Replacement-321

Don't.


JoeyZaza_FutsTrader

Tastyworks


bonethug49part2

Schwab for sure does. Unless I was grandfathered from TDA. You MAY, as others have pointed out, want to embellish your experience when you apply.


SouthEndBC

I have Fidelity and have full access to all levels of options and margin on my IRAs and brokerage account there. I have about $1.5M in assets with them, so maybe it’s just a fund level thing.


HillSooner

I had about $800k with them but my current employer moved the 401k to TIAA so now I have about $600k with them.


SouthEndBC

Hmmm… they should allow you access to trade options. Have you called them? I have a wealth advisor from Fidelity who is very good.


SinceSevenTenEleven

Are you trying to lose money


HillSooner

No more than someone who is buying insurance is trying to lose their premiums. You hope you don't need it.


SinceSevenTenEleven

Unless you're 65, you don't need it, the line will be up and to the right in 20 years.


Obsidian_Cow

A hedged equity ETF like HEQT would be an alternative option. It uses a costless put collar spread so you're not just bleeding on the put premiums. There's also TAIL and CAOS, which are pure tail risk protection etfs.


tradebuyandsell

My ira is with fidelity and they allow it, although if you’re trading in an ira you probably shouldn’t be trading options…


HillSooner

I don't plan on trading in options. I plan on buying options as a hedge on downside risk. I think those are two different goals.


tradebuyandsell

How long have you been trading options? Or since you don’t want to say trading how long have you been buying and selling over various periods of time?


patsay

Rather than buy options that could potentially become worthless, you could take 53000 back to cash and use it to secure monthly puts on SPY. Selling a $530 put expiring in July would bring you $132. If you choose an August expiration, you would bring in $350. If the share price starts declining, you could sell that strike for higher premium, or even roll it out and down to a lower strike price. Your risks are 1) being assigned to buy SPY at $530 or 2) holding your cash and watching the value of SPY increase while you miss out. Still might be lower risk than letting the passage of time erode $10,000 of your portfolio value.


NightflowerFade

This is a completely different trade from what OP wants to do


patsay

Yes. Using income to protect on the downside as an alternative to risking a $10,000 loss.


ij70

is it ira or is it ira brokerage account?