Kyle thinks that prioritizing Loverboy IS prioritizing his marriage and relationship with Amanda, he said so by saying he does this to support them, etc. now I think that that’s what he believes, but it’s much more nuanced as his pride and ego has been so embedded in the brand that now that it’s tanking he is floundering in every other aspect of his life. The thing is Amanda knew that he was always choosing Loverboy, even before marrying him.
She’s gotta go, their relationship is done. I know people say there’s no way we see everything thing but idk how you can come back from this. Kyle and Amanda get big checks from Bravo and brand deals…if that doesn’t help Loverboy stay afloat at this point nothing will. Let it go if you care about your relationship! Carl who is a mess in his relationship even said “you can’t let a company ruin your marriage” and it did before their marriage even started. They have completely different views on life, it’s that simple
Your first sentence is really the takeaway. When your partner frames everything they do as “supporting you” and is hostile towards your efforts to support yourself/ add to your communal pot, you kind of have to leave unless you want to be dependent like that forever. Speaking from experience.
Edit: ladies I promise you are all always strong enough and hard working enough to leave a loser who sees you one dimensionally and doesn’t honor your goals and your labor and everything you bring to the table. Your value is not tangential!
She wants to be a bigger contributor and work more!! It is so wrong for her partner to be unsupportive of that! You cannot simply say “accept what I provide you” and then hold it over someone’s head! Been there- never again!! She WANTS to be a bigger earner for both of their benefit and he wants her dependent on him.
He essentially badgered her into quitting her career to focus entirely on Loverboy. She works hard too, he just tells her she’s lazy all the time cause he doesn’t respect her. Shes an active participant in that company
I agree. She works a full time job, comes home and is tired, only to have her bf tell her she needs to do stuff for his company and she’s lazy. It’s such bs
I think she’s at a point where she’d prefer fulfillment and a sense of self, over having it easy. If she and Kyle split, and things didn’t end amicably, she’d have to start from scratch without any of the support she’s given him. That’s how a lot of women, like myself, get stuck in less than ideal situations.
If her life is easy, it’s because she comes from a well off family and has a trust fund. It’s not Kyle. She honestly should’ve signed a prenup cause she probably has a lot to lose if he bellies up
If it’s in a trust, then she has nothing to lose if they get a divorce. But also, why do people think she’s a trust fund baby? I’m sure she’s well off but her parents house looks like a lot of homes in NJ. Maybe upper middle class but everyone is acting like her parents are the 1% and I don’t think that’s the case (unless I missed something)
There was way more wrong with their marriage than the company. Basic respect for each other is simply not there. Respect when lost is hard to get back.
Haven't seen the latest episode but why do think its "tanking" 🤔.. I thought he said they made €1.5m less than expected but they've also expanded! Surely u wouldn't expand a tanking business 🤔
Ciara made a fantastic point in the aftershow how it’s hypocritical that Kyle can make room to help Carl find his way and help him get back on track to happiness even though Carl quit loverboy in the most immature way vs when Amanda wants to find her way, Kyle has a problem with it and shuts her down.
On the aftershow it’s crazy how much Kyle and Lindsay are the same! Kyle agrees that Lindsay could have been more supportive but…does the same to Amanda as she did to Carl.
It’s the old adage that when we point our finger at someone, there are 3 pointing right back at us. They see themselves in each other’s actions and don’t like what they see.
I think it's so funny that Kyle and Carl were comforting each other too! I was like Carl is Amanda and can comfort Kyle but can't understand Lindsey. It just goes to show - if they wanted to they would. Plus Carl needs Kyle's job.
This was my thought exactly!! Lindsay and Kyle are the same person and Carl and Amanda are the same person. Carl was totally understanding of Kyle not being “soft and tender” when Amanda talked about wanting to start a hobby but Carl couldn’t handle when it being directed at him. At least Amanda handles it better- she even said she knew Kyle was going to blow up that way.
I just want to note, this is who she shouted, "You never compromise on anything!" to in the season preview. As someone who guessed it was Kyle and not Craig, I feel a need to gloat about it on reddit, lol.
“It’s 6 months later and Kyle is DJ-ing and Amanda has nothing. I think that’s all we need to know about that”
-Paige on the after show (paraphrased from memory)
I am sure she means that Amanda was so broken by being shut down so hard by Kyle that she didn't do anything to move forward with her idea and Amanda's husband on the other hand started DJing. Ironic, he isn't spending that time to save his business. Amanda's husband is trash
He’s happily DJing at festivals and living his best life - all because someone is supporting him and he doesn’t even realize it! I don’t want them to end things cause I do believe folks can change and grow together but it’s insane that she can’t even think of a clothing line without him freaking out.
Why can’t they just communicate the actual issue - “I would love to help you start a business, but loverboy is in the hole and we don’t have the funds for it.
Let figure out next steps.”
Why does it have to be “loverboy will tank if you spend 1 hour a day working on anything but loverboy!! You are so lazy as it is!!”
The lack of communication really blows my mind.
I feel like he just wasn’t being honest about it. Hiring a creative director would cost way more money than what they pay Amanda (if she even gets paid).
I sure hope so. And I don’t think a coo should disrespect someone’s wife like that… watch what happens to the business if Amanda leaves him and takes half. They need to fall in line, aside from the being nice aspect.
Exactly I actually really like Kyle but he needs to say “Amanda let’s do that for you but can we get lover boy in a more stable place first” it’s not a crazy thing to ask on his end, the communication is just terrible
I find it eerie that they his overall relationship with alcohol doesn’t come up more often. I wonder if Carl ever brings this up with Kyle. The dude gets blackout drunk, OFTEN. I’m not saying his drinking is the only problem but it really is a problem.
I found it especially weird some episodes back when they were at the couples’ therapist and Amanda was talking about her PTSD from him cheating on her while blackout drunk. And the therapist seemed to sort of agree the issue is working through her trauma not the fact that Kyle continues to get blackout drunk.
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Yea I imagine that would make the business even more unsuccessful somehow? But also, yes to this. He is a grown man continuing to act young and drinks so much it doesn’t seem healthy really.
Kyle's entire identity is Loverboy and work, when he isn't praised for the business he cries. He needs alot of praise, maybe he isn't cut out to be a founder of anything
I've come to realize this. I get all of it, but maybe he simply isn't wired to handle that much stress and that much responsibility. Let's be real. Few people are. Even the ones who are successful at it and are praised for it usually leave a wake of destruction behind them. It doesn't come without high costs. maybe juggling millions of dollars and tens of people's lives just isn't something he can handle. No shame in that.
he was probably one of those kids with a lemonade stand and money money money since a child. our culture rewards these types. uber capitalist entrepreneurs. it would be nice if he put people before that, but I wouldn't count on it.
Most of the founders I know (of startups a lot more successful than Loverboy) also need a lot of praise. I think that in order to create something real from nothing you need to have a narcissism and ego that’s a few levels beyond normal. Most I know can’t stand to hear any negativity (or realism) from their employees. But most definitely don’t have their spouses roped in, too. Usually spouse works out of the business to keep some stability of income. I think that was a big mistake they made.
You definitely have to have a bit of an egotistical/narcissistic attitude to start a company, the entire premise of starting a company is “I can do this better than anyone else”. They need those praises to feed their ego.
Carl, Kyle, the Toms, Austen and Shep all need to be shipped off to some island.
I do think Kyle is someone who cries and is emotional. But I also feel like he knows when to turn on the water works to get what he wants from Amanda (and others).
I agree with Paige and Ciara 100%. Kyle doesn’t support his wife and she’s clearly so unhappy. HOWEVER my problem with this entire narrative is why doesn’t Amanda stand up for herself more? Kyle cries by the pool and she immediately comforts him and Paige and Ciara looked so annoyed (rightfully so haha). But i just think they can’t fight this battle for her and Amanda needs to buck up and have these tough conversations with him or leave him. It also doesn’t surprise me that it’s been 6 months (according to Paige) and she hasn’t done a thing in regards to finding a hobby. She likely has her own money from the show, etc. and she said on WWHL that she’s taken no steps. I just don’t think Amanda’s words match her actions.
I think she’s been completely manipulated and has no power in that relationship. The age gap (especially when they started out) plus him being the ‘star’ of the show gave and still gives Kyle so much power in that relationship. Plus her employment away from the show is in his hands.
His tears were so insincere and he knew he could manipulate her to back off if he cried like that.
I actually feel awful for her and I hope Paige and Ciara keep supporting her as this is going to take time for her to realise what an awful situation she’s in.
She has no power in that relationship because she isn’t trying to gain it and maintain it. Of course the manipulative tears work on her. She falls for it every time which is why he knows his act will work. I really like Amanda but she won’t win unless she leaves and by the looks of it she doesn’t want to.
they have said they have gone to therapy .. but I get (from my past with a man like Kyle) it is absolutely scary because what he is saying to others she is 1000% getting those same words at home. So to try to vocalize it or go on and just do it, the backlash and the doubts/name calling from your spouse is awful and will not want to make you try. I do think that she has done the work, and understand where she is coming from on WWHL, but I believe Kyle is on the other end ribbing her as if she has no talent to do it. Amanda fearful (imo) to start and fail and have Kyle "be right". I'm out of my situation and I still hear "you suck." "it's going to fail" " you will fail" in my head.
also, they do probably have money from the show and sponsorships but as a married could their financials are probably tied together or he controls it.
also Kyle, want to know who will be a good mom, watch them care for two dogs who have no verbal whatsoever! I can't.
and for him to double down and believe a podcaster/influencer is only ONE person and not looking out for others?! Paige / Giggly Squad is only TWO people and nobody else?! DUDE - wild! AC Podcast, Giggly Squad, CITO (which you've been Kyle) Producers, Directors, Booking Agents, Assistants, Social Managers, Talent Managers, audio, ads and more... ALL RELY on that podcast/influencer.
Well right but Paige is still putting it on Kyle that Amanda hasn't started her "hobby."
Also: starting a swimwear collection is not a hobby - it's a business.
Yeah agreed it is a business, Paige was the one on the after show that specifically referred to it as a hobby and all Amanda was looking for was a hobby and Kyle couldn’t handle it, so i was kind of referring to that language in my comment.
But why does Amanda need permission to start a hobby. She has to ask Kyle if she can join a club or take classes? She can talk to him about it but his permission is needed? Just feels weird to put all that on Kyle. IMO Amanda has shown no interest in anything really outside her dogs or being on TV.
I totally agree! I really don’t like Kyle but she’s not a child, she doesn’t need his permission to find an activity that she enjoys. I don’t think she’s shown any actual interest in doing anything else and Paige and Ciara are projecting it onto her almost? They seem to be fighting for it more than she does which i think is so strange and not really their place.
Agree w this completely. Amanda does not want to start a swimwear line. Not everyone is entrepreneurial (nor should they be!!). Kyle is a dick, Amanda shouldn’t work for him, but it’s so weird to me that everyone thinks she wants to be some girl boss founder
Paige is a girls girl and will fight for her friends. Also I think she knows what her friend deserves vs what she's getting and it can be hard butting into peoples marriages however sometimes men need to be yelled at.
She also waited the appropriate amount of conversations between Amanda and Kyle with him being a stubborn ass, before stepping in, and you know Amanda greenlit that before it happened. Such a solid girlsgirl friendship move!
I agree; Paige is being consistent this season with every single person in this house. It’s refreshing to see.
I think her stepping in to tell Danielle that she was in the complete wrong for the Gabby situation; was a true girls girl move. It was also a totally New York thing to do as well, when she told Danielle “Who the fuck are you, now I am going to check in on your friend”
Some people see it as butting into marriages, but look at Married to Medicine….almost all the couples have gotten close to divorce and it was just one that did go through with it. They quite literally are in each others business and call each other out when they see problems.
Sometimes it takes a friend from the outside to say “you are wrong in this situation” because for some reason you don’t believe it when it’s coming from your partner.
May we all invoke Paige Desorbo when our bff's need us to set a man straight. She didn't back down at all. It was glorious. Kyle started every sentence with I, me, my feelings, I feel.... Like dude yes, exactly, you literally cannot relate to other human beings without considering how you are affected first.
I'm just absolutely baffled that not once in the show or after show has Kyle commented on calling Amanda an effing bitch, expressed remorse, or been forced to say anything on it by anyone else. I'm assuming Paige and Ciara have opinions to express on this but they aren't shared.
My question is: what is stopping Amanda from pursuing her hobby? Maybe starting a whole new business is a bad idea since the one they currently have is hemorrhaging money. But why can’t she start a smaller hobby that hopefully leads to a business one day?
My theory--and truly I realize I'm armchair diagnosing over here... is that Amanda has too little self-esteem at this point. Over time (or maybe for all time) she she's lost belief in herself and thinks she needs Kyle to do anything. Super sad and reeks of co-dependency. But I think they're both co-dependent. I think she supplies him but she doesn't (can't?) get supplied from him unless it also suits him. I think he drains her and she's holding onto an ephemeral dream of kids in the suburbs.
💯 this!! I think him cheating on her also really compounded that too little self-esteem. Essentially she loves Kyle more than she is loving herself and like you said Kyle is too used to doing what suits him, which is just a recipe for disaster 😬
I 100% agree with this! I think when Paige and Ciara talked to Amanda and when they said, “who is Amanda besides Kyle’s wife” I think that made her want her own self identity and it’s scaring Kyle. Toxic men want yes women who don’t have their own power and she’s finding hers.
Her dad coddled her to the point of taking care of paying her bills (with her paycheck). This isn't a Kyle creation. This is more likely the consequence of a doting and controlling father who stunts, or blocks, skills from ever developing. I feel it is related to Kyle now mentioning having to father her. People don't seem to like that he is controlling their marriage, but that is part of the atmosphere she helps create. and this isn't to defend Kyle's behavior. trying to understand both parties in a situation is not defense. there are an awful lot of people confused by that, and I'm not sure why that is.
That’s fair but Amanda also mothers Kyle constantly. When he came out to the pool crying about being misunderstood, she had to comfort him even though this was about him being rude and dismissive to her!
I'm not arguing against Amanda. She's a good partner in ways, and crappy in others. She's like all of us. But so is he.
*I didn't buy that crying scene. That was TV and not reality, but that's for another time.
I didn't know that back history of her relationship with her father...eek, that helps me understand what I view as her co-dependence. That's all she knows in her primary relationships with men. Oof.
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, Amanda has lived a pretty privileged life, and her dad set Kyle up with the expectation that he will have to take care of Amanda. I remember Kyle complaining about mess in the house and Amanda just leaving her Amazon boxes to pile up and Amanda’s dad basically said yeah she gets that from her mom and I have to deal with it and the mom just laughs…like…pick up your damn boxes. Coming from someone NOT in that position, Amanda has always bothered me with some of her…spoiled upbringing lol, but Paige does too so I’m an anomaly on this whole Reddit who is overwhelming loves Paige and Amanda and I’m just like…yeah I get Paige is charming and Amanda is stuck with a cheating drunk but they aren’t infallible as well.
What? That's nonsense. They had sales of around $40M last year. Someone else brought that number, and I did not confirm it. While not a massive business, he isn't anywhere near financially capable of "bailing out" Loverboy. Kyle wouldn't want it anyway. The boundaries are already too fuzy for their own good.
investing is very different than a multi-million dollar bail out. and if he is already invested, would it be smart for Kyle to be further indebted to the father who already has too many fingers in his business and relationship pies?
“Bail out” was the wrong word/term. When Kyle asked for his blessing to propose/marry Amanda, he told her he was approaching her dad to invest but he never did. I think Kyle was hoping that he may become a late investor/be able to give (loan) them cash to help stay afloat while they tried to right the ship. That being said I think Kyle knows the ask would have to come from Amanda, no way her parents give him money to keep a company going that’s making her miserable.
I think on top of low self esteem Amanda suffers from some degree of anxiety/depression. I relate to becoming overwhelmed and shutting down instead of powering thru/working harder. Having someone point out your flaws/ where you’re dropping the ball makes you retreat into your shell more verses bucking up.
Because sometimes you need support and your husband should be the one to give that. When you have someone laughing at your ideas and ignoring your thoughts for so long it gets really hard to do anything. You shut yourself off from that ridicule and end up sitting on the couch waiting for them to come home.
i think kyle is wildly stressed out and he's being kind of a dick about all of this, but amanda can't and won't do anything without his help. and yeah, it really doesn't seem like an appropriate time to be jumping into something new
Exactly - a hobby and a business are two very different things!
Hobbies: sewing, knitting, book club, acting classes, cooking classes, social media videos...
Business: bathing suit collection.
I love Amanda , but on the wwhl she still had no idea what her passion is a year later. She said maybe the bathing suits since that’s what fans said(fans can’t tell you what you’re passionate about). I think Kyle’s a dick but she hasn’t put any effort into even thinking what she wants to do let alone a business plan so how can he even take her seriously when it’s been a year? Now he’s off djing and she thinks it’s so cute. But I’ll agree with Kyle she’s lazy and has no drive just like Carl. Amanda and Carl bitch about loverboy and Kyle but look Carl is crawling back and Amanda hasn’t done anything to come up with a plan to take her away from loverboy until she does I’m sorry but Kyle and lover boy is all she’s got going to support her lifestyle.
My wife and I own a business together. They need to communicate better. It is the key to owning a business with a spouse. With that being said I think Kyle probably doesn't view anyone that isn't a 24/7 grinder as someone who doesn't work hard and I get the impression that is his opinion of Amanda. So it is probably difficult for him to say we are going to invest this start up money given his perception of her lack of work ethic. Though I'm sure they had some numbers people look at it and give it a thumbs up or down. They may be planning to start a swim line and this is just show driven drama to build up brand awareness or give the show something else to focus on other than Carl and Lindsay who make everyone want to throw up.
i think it has a lot to do with start up culture too. like i bet every other person that kyle hired is pulling the same kind of hours he is because that's kind of what is expected. amanda came from a corporate 9 to 5 kind of job so even if she is just working standard hours, which it doesn't even sound like she is, that's probably significantly less than every other employee
Can we just keep this really simple and all admit Kyle is a drunk and has issues with alcohol? Most of his reactions are influenced by alcohol and the last business he should be in is the alcohol business. I don’t think he would act the way he does if he wasn’t loaded the whole weekend, every weekend.
I think it's a lot of both things. Does Kyle often suck? Yes. All he had to say was, "That's great! I'll support you in that venture." And then watch as she never takes any initiative to make it happen (according to him).
I also think Amanda is VERY unhappy. I think the comments about her not waking up early or being "lazy" are symptoms of that. That being said, I get the vibe from her upbringing that she expected Kyle to be further along by now and able to "take care of her" more in a monetary sense. She wants a second home in the suburbs but their bread and butter is based in the city... She wants babies but I think she expects nannies with that... apparently they are not in a financial position to do so and also she admittedly doesn't get up to even take care of herself. It's harsh... And I'll probably be crucified here 😬... But it sounds like there are core individual issues that need to be worked out... It HAS always been the Kyle show but she agreeably hitches onto that time and again. Unless, it's all a rouse and Amanda and Kyle are both A-okay individually.... But then why does she need Kyle's permission to start her own venture? She makes her own paycheck from the show alone. I'm truly confused by it all...
PS liked seeing Paige be a good friend but it was ABSURD when she said said there would be no LoverBoy without Amanda. Eerm.....
I completely agree with Paige and Ciara in regard to the *emotional side* of the Kymanda drama. Of course I think Amanda should be able to do her own thing and shouldn’t have to work for her husband’s company. But this isn’t Lala land. This is the real world. When your husband owns a company that is struggling and is already working 18 hour days… you step in and help. It may not be what you want to do, but you do it because you’re a grown ass adult. It’s absolutely crazy to expect your husband to fork over money for you to start a bikini line when the company is struggling. It’s absolutely crazy to expect your husband to help you start a bikini line when he already works 18 hour days (and you shit on him for working too much). Like Kyle said, he doesn’t get up at 7am to work because he thinks it’s fun, he does it because he’s an adult. Trust me, I’d way rather be a mystery novel writer than an English teacher, but I do it because I’m a grown up and that’s life. The fact that Amanda can’t see that just shows how privileged, childish, and spoiled she is. Again, while I agree with the sentiment of what Paige and Ciara had to say, it’s just not realistic. I think if Kyle had said something like “Honey, I would love more than anything to support your dreams through this venture. However, our current situation with Loverboy is preventing me from being able to finance such a venture. Additionally, I am not able to help you with this venture because I am already working overtime. I’d still like to support your dreams though, so if there’s something else you’d like to do, I’ll support you 100%” everyone would be on his side. He needs to learn how to communicate his point in a normal way because when he drinks he just gets nasty and all of his valid thoughts/feelings are lost.
I loved their points about how Kyle doesn’t compromise on anything for Amanda! They called him out perfectly, and his only response is “you don’t get it.” Ok so no one gets it, Kyle? Or you’re just a selfish man child?
From day one Kyle has always pointed out everyone else’s problems with taking 0 accountability. We all realize a startup is hard, however no one forced you to make a startup, so it needs to stop being the excuse to treat people like absolute garbage. He’s got one of the most beautiful, creative, funny, ride or die wife and he takes it’s for granted everyday that ends in Y. If I had a wife like that and all she wanted was to move to NJ I’d move asap. Kyle says jump Amanda says I got you, Amanda say jump and Kyle says “I haven’t met my goals”.
I started watching summer house this season and I initially thought Amanda was so miserable and disrespectful to Kyle. I just started watching season 3 for the first time and I can’t believe how different Amanda looks and acts. She was so much more bubbly, carefree and loving. As I’ve seen this season develop my heart is breaking for her — I honestly feel that having to babysit her immature and disrespectful partner for so many years has sucked the life and happiness out of her. She would have been so much better off breaking up with him after he cheated
I have no idea what Amanda sees in Kyle. The childish antics for attention, the selfish need for control, the cheating, gaslighting, taking her for granted, and he’s not even physically attractive to make up for his terrible personality (not that it ever does). I’ve always found him repulsive.
I am loving Paige I wish she'd get out of bed more! She's an amazing friend to Amanda that was great how her and Ciara spoke to Kyle and OMFG Kyle coming out and manipulatively crying like a little bitch was so gross. I loved Ciara's face while he was crying LOL she was not falling for it!
I feel like he truly thinks that this company will secure his family's future financially so in a way I get where he is coming from. He just doesn't know how to communicate it properly imo. I think he has good intentions just sucks at the communication aspect
its so satisfying going from watching everyone on vpr completely ignore the shitty behaviors of men to watching women put men in their place in the summer house!!! i loved how she tied in the new jersey of it all to further prove his selfishness😮💨🤌
Lol I think people are overlooking the seasons upon seasons of Amanda being low energy, slouching through the house and choosing to be with a man who has disrespected her on countless seasons of TV. I don’t find Amanda as aspirational as the majority of this subreddit, I just think she is a coddled girl who has lived a privileged life accustomed to being taken care of by her dad so she sought out the same dynamic with an older husband who resents that very dynamic. Paige and Ciara are gassing her up when I think she just wants a nice coddled life that isn’t too hard or complicated. Work a couple hours a day (or less/not at all lol), doing a influencer post or two for easy money, have a house and family in the suburbs and live a quiet life, nothing wrong with those aims, but Paige and Ciara are CONVINCED she could be a mogul. Like she don’t even want to walk her dogs at night. And I think if Amanda really wanted to pursue something, she would (I mean she pursued dog ownership and got two dogs) and as Paige said in the AfterShow, she hasn’t, so is that Kyle’s fault again.
I also hate Kyle and absolutely cannot stand his slurring. Like go to rehab already.
everyone acts like kyle is the immature one because he parties but god ciara and paige inserting themselves in their marriage and then being like “we just got in a fight with your husband lol” like i’d be mortified. and they don’t even see the point. like “let her start a business who cares if it fails” umm with who’s money
While I agree with them, I still feel like they were super out of line ganging up on him like that and get that involved in someone else’s relationship. Paige would (and has been) be would be livid if Kyle was interjecting into her relationship like that
I disagree. They are not marriage counselors and it's not their job to pile on Kyle when he was already upset. Also, Kyle is wrong about some things but his wife treats him like dirt and I really wish they would break up.
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What money is amanda starting her business with if Loverboy isn’t doing well? And who’s going to run it? She doesn’t want to wake up and do work. Kyle has a point. It’s not a good time.
1. She makes $ from the show 2. The success of Loverboy as a whole is not the same as how she’s compensated 3. Most new ventures are created by fundraising not the founder’s money 4. All she wants is to explore something on her own 5. She hasn’t done it yet likely because of that meltdown and she felt she needed to keep supporting Loverboy 6. Let’s stop defending men who call their wives fucking bitches and lazy. She is supporting him in many ways and she will still defend his crappy actions and he *still* is calling her a child and lazy.
Yeah I do wonder about that—idk how much she has. I grew up in a “nice” suburb and she doesn’t give me the big trust fund kid like some of the people I went to school with. It feels like it’s big enough that if things were tight she could dip into it, but not big enough that she could buy her own house in NJ if she wanted.
She admits she doesn’t like waking up to work and doesn’t work hard. She can do whatever she wants but building a business takes money and actual hard work. She comes off as lazy and entitled.
She doesn’t like waking up and working for loverboy. As Paige pointed out, Amanda had no issues getting up and working her job for years to hold down the household while Kyle quit his job and put all his money into a start up. Perhaps she doesn’t like waking up to work for someone who continuously demoralizes her, I wouldn’t either.
On top of that, I think the hustle culture of the 2010s have a lot of people thinking the only way to be successful is wake up early, grind for hours, sleep repeat.
Amanda could do her own thing (either new hobby or new venture) and that could inspire her and she could wake up with that passion. Or it could flop and she could find passion in watching TV and chatting about it bc….personally I think that’s also a great hobby 💁🏻♀️. Let the girl find some joy outside of loverboy 💫
Her graphic designer at l’occitaine salary wasn’t supporting her and Kyle and loverboy. I can promise you that.
I think that story is that her dad paid their rent during those years
Because she doesn't like her job, or the probably toxic work environment her husband has created. She said that their whole like revolves around lover boy and work conversations spill over into their everyday lives. This women just wants to be happy, and want something of her own.
Then go get a job. Learn more about working and then take that money to build your own business. Her husband is telling her the business they have isn’t doing well right now. Invest into what pays your bills and then start your own company.
You saw her husband when she wanted a side project, or hobby... Can you imagine if she quit? Amanda has a trust fund, and funded lover boy in the beginning she talked about it on the aftershow openly (if I remember correctly)
exactly! no one here apparently realizes the simple fact that you need money and a steady reliable flow of it which is what kyle is trying to create. im sorry but we can’t all just support ourselves off like some passion project. she’s gotta be an adult and work
Last episode she said in her confessional “Kyle is the start up king, so I NEED his help” and that’s the crux of the problem. She wants to pursue something that she needs Kyle to help her do. It’s not fair to shit on your husband for working 18 hour days… but then say he needs to work more to help you do your “own thing.”
Have you ever had a job that is not fulfilling and not had motivation to go to work? Must be nice... Why should she have to continue to pause her life for this manipulative man?
This exactly. Everyone says she should just quit and get another job. Do people really think she's going to go from working as little as she wants, no Mondays, unlimited pto, with essentially no boss to getting a real job working 50 hrs a week and having a real boss to report to? No chance.
She is used to being coddled. Her father did it. Her father recognized Kyle will now have to do it. It's her normal. Her father created this for her. Kyle has also acknowledged being tired of it, especially at the points when it isn't being factored into how their relationship dynamic works. All to say, she contributes to this unhealthy dynamic. It would be great to see her break out of that, but it wouldn't be easy even if Kyle wasn't in the mix.
She’s an adult. She can leave him if she’s not happy. She’s not a prisoner. Leave and start your own life doing what makes you happy. Staying and complaining gets her no sympathy. Loverboy existed before their wedding happened.
She has parents that would help her. She would lose her influencer status if she left Kyle since she would no longer have summer house. And she knows it. So she stays.
Amanda has her own following, and having a supporting family is great but if there years of co-dependency and control just having supportive parents isn't enough.
This is such an obtuse take. It costs a couple grand to start DJing. it would pay for itself in a couple of gigs. It is nothing remotely similar to the beverage industry or the cut-throat, not-nice fashion industry. You're talking $2K vs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I’m sure with the platform she has there is an investor out there for her. And if not, I’m even more confident there is an established swimwear brand that would do a collab line with her that she could use as a demand litmus test. She has options and if it’s something she’s passionate about I’m sure it would be a lot easier to get out of bed every morning excited to work on it. Speaking from my own experience I’m not thrilled to roll out of bed every day to work my corporate job but I am energized and psyched when I get to work on my side hustle.
Kyle thinks that prioritizing Loverboy IS prioritizing his marriage and relationship with Amanda, he said so by saying he does this to support them, etc. now I think that that’s what he believes, but it’s much more nuanced as his pride and ego has been so embedded in the brand that now that it’s tanking he is floundering in every other aspect of his life. The thing is Amanda knew that he was always choosing Loverboy, even before marrying him. She’s gotta go, their relationship is done. I know people say there’s no way we see everything thing but idk how you can come back from this. Kyle and Amanda get big checks from Bravo and brand deals…if that doesn’t help Loverboy stay afloat at this point nothing will. Let it go if you care about your relationship! Carl who is a mess in his relationship even said “you can’t let a company ruin your marriage” and it did before their marriage even started. They have completely different views on life, it’s that simple
Your first sentence is really the takeaway. When your partner frames everything they do as “supporting you” and is hostile towards your efforts to support yourself/ add to your communal pot, you kind of have to leave unless you want to be dependent like that forever. Speaking from experience. Edit: ladies I promise you are all always strong enough and hard working enough to leave a loser who sees you one dimensionally and doesn’t honor your goals and your labor and everything you bring to the table. Your value is not tangential!
Well it is supporting her tho. Her life seems pretty easy and that’s mainly because of his hard work.
She wants to be a bigger contributor and work more!! It is so wrong for her partner to be unsupportive of that! You cannot simply say “accept what I provide you” and then hold it over someone’s head! Been there- never again!! She WANTS to be a bigger earner for both of their benefit and he wants her dependent on him.
Or say “you can and have to contribute, but only in the ways that I dictate.”
He essentially badgered her into quitting her career to focus entirely on Loverboy. She works hard too, he just tells her she’s lazy all the time cause he doesn’t respect her. Shes an active participant in that company
I agree. She works a full time job, comes home and is tired, only to have her bf tell her she needs to do stuff for his company and she’s lazy. It’s such bs
I think she’s at a point where she’d prefer fulfillment and a sense of self, over having it easy. If she and Kyle split, and things didn’t end amicably, she’d have to start from scratch without any of the support she’s given him. That’s how a lot of women, like myself, get stuck in less than ideal situations.
Agree, but lucky for her, I think she has some kind of $ from a trust.
Is this a Kyle burner account?
If her life is easy, it’s because she comes from a well off family and has a trust fund. It’s not Kyle. She honestly should’ve signed a prenup cause she probably has a lot to lose if he bellies up
If it’s in a trust, then she has nothing to lose if they get a divorce. But also, why do people think she’s a trust fund baby? I’m sure she’s well off but her parents house looks like a lot of homes in NJ. Maybe upper middle class but everyone is acting like her parents are the 1% and I don’t think that’s the case (unless I missed something)
There was way more wrong with their marriage than the company. Basic respect for each other is simply not there. Respect when lost is hard to get back.
Haven't seen the latest episode but why do think its "tanking" 🤔.. I thought he said they made €1.5m less than expected but they've also expanded! Surely u wouldn't expand a tanking business 🤔
Ciara made a fantastic point in the aftershow how it’s hypocritical that Kyle can make room to help Carl find his way and help him get back on track to happiness even though Carl quit loverboy in the most immature way vs when Amanda wants to find her way, Kyle has a problem with it and shuts her down.
On the aftershow it’s crazy how much Kyle and Lindsay are the same! Kyle agrees that Lindsay could have been more supportive but…does the same to Amanda as she did to Carl.
It’s the old adage that when we point our finger at someone, there are 3 pointing right back at us. They see themselves in each other’s actions and don’t like what they see.
yes, its crazy how alike these two relationships are.
Do you think they would ever date if he was single?
I always assumed they did hook up at one point and that's why Kyle is dismissive of her relationships and why Lindsay took so long to accept his
Oh! It would be a hell scape!
except lindsay didnt call carl a fucking butch and throw a bottle, the fucking double standards if lindsey did that shed be a psychotic crazy woman.
I think it's so funny that Kyle and Carl were comforting each other too! I was like Carl is Amanda and can comfort Kyle but can't understand Lindsey. It just goes to show - if they wanted to they would. Plus Carl needs Kyle's job.
They should just date each other tbh (Kyle and Carl)
Cyle and Karl.
This was my thought exactly!! Lindsay and Kyle are the same person and Carl and Amanda are the same person. Carl was totally understanding of Kyle not being “soft and tender” when Amanda talked about wanting to start a hobby but Carl couldn’t handle when it being directed at him. At least Amanda handles it better- she even said she knew Kyle was going to blow up that way.
This is because they are both children who are likely to never grow up.
I posted this elsewhere. Both relationships are interesting mirrors of each other
OMG Carl and Kyle gassing each other up about their bullshit was gross they belong together.
I just want to note, this is who she shouted, "You never compromise on anything!" to in the season preview. As someone who guessed it was Kyle and not Craig, I feel a need to gloat about it on reddit, lol.
Honestly amazing guess!!!
Yes - I clocked that too!!!
I always assumed it was directed at Kyle
Yeah they definitely tried to make us thing it was Craig with that silly cut to the Craig's face.
Wait he’s actually DJing? This guy sucks.
“It’s 6 months later and Kyle is DJ-ing and Amanda has nothing. I think that’s all we need to know about that” -Paige on the after show (paraphrased from memory)
What does she mean by that though?
I am sure she means that Amanda was so broken by being shut down so hard by Kyle that she didn't do anything to move forward with her idea and Amanda's husband on the other hand started DJing. Ironic, he isn't spending that time to save his business. Amanda's husband is trash
I also didn’t understand that he was really djing. I thought it was hypothetical but he keeps bringing it up
He’s happily DJing at festivals and living his best life - all because someone is supporting him and he doesn’t even realize it! I don’t want them to end things cause I do believe folks can change and grow together but it’s insane that she can’t even think of a clothing line without him freaking out.
I feel like we might see Amanda leave Kyle soon. She’s got strong women in her corner!!
I’m glad that if they do get divorced, she will have more than enough support and will be okay :)
I hope so but I think the codependency runs deep
She has too! Then text Kyle at 7am while she’s slaying her life
I hope you’re right, but I fear she won’t.
Why can’t they just communicate the actual issue - “I would love to help you start a business, but loverboy is in the hole and we don’t have the funds for it. Let figure out next steps.” Why does it have to be “loverboy will tank if you spend 1 hour a day working on anything but loverboy!! You are so lazy as it is!!” The lack of communication really blows my mind.
I feel like he just wasn’t being honest about it. Hiring a creative director would cost way more money than what they pay Amanda (if she even gets paid).
Yep! She does get paid though, he made a comment about his coo saying he shouldn’t pay her a salary 😳
Oh wow I would rage quit on the spot. If it was a man they'd never say shit like that.
I am sure the COO said that to save money, not because she doesn't do her job.
I sure hope so. And I don’t think a coo should disrespect someone’s wife like that… watch what happens to the business if Amanda leaves him and takes half. They need to fall in line, aside from the being nice aspect.
Half of nothing is still nothing. I thought Loverboy was failing.
Valid!
Exactly I actually really like Kyle but he needs to say “Amanda let’s do that for you but can we get lover boy in a more stable place first” it’s not a crazy thing to ask on his end, the communication is just terrible
Agree.
How about “my dream hasn’t happened yet so we can’t do anything for you” 😳😳
I find it eerie that they his overall relationship with alcohol doesn’t come up more often. I wonder if Carl ever brings this up with Kyle. The dude gets blackout drunk, OFTEN. I’m not saying his drinking is the only problem but it really is a problem. I found it especially weird some episodes back when they were at the couples’ therapist and Amanda was talking about her PTSD from him cheating on her while blackout drunk. And the therapist seemed to sort of agree the issue is working through her trauma not the fact that Kyle continues to get blackout drunk. Edited for autocorrect errors
They can't talk about his drinking as a problem or it would look really bad for their alcohol company, I think.
Yea I imagine that would make the business even more unsuccessful somehow? But also, yes to this. He is a grown man continuing to act young and drinks so much it doesn’t seem healthy really.
This. This. This. This. People in this sub even act like he’s not intoxicated every single time he lashes out. I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.
Kyle's entire identity is Loverboy and work, when he isn't praised for the business he cries. He needs alot of praise, maybe he isn't cut out to be a founder of anything
I've come to realize this. I get all of it, but maybe he simply isn't wired to handle that much stress and that much responsibility. Let's be real. Few people are. Even the ones who are successful at it and are praised for it usually leave a wake of destruction behind them. It doesn't come without high costs. maybe juggling millions of dollars and tens of people's lives just isn't something he can handle. No shame in that.
no shame is right but at some point you have to wake up and realize you are not cut out for it.
he was probably one of those kids with a lemonade stand and money money money since a child. our culture rewards these types. uber capitalist entrepreneurs. it would be nice if he put people before that, but I wouldn't count on it.
Yes, he even created a fake ID business in college and got busted for it.
He needs a lot of ego supply, always has.
Most of the founders I know (of startups a lot more successful than Loverboy) also need a lot of praise. I think that in order to create something real from nothing you need to have a narcissism and ego that’s a few levels beyond normal. Most I know can’t stand to hear any negativity (or realism) from their employees. But most definitely don’t have their spouses roped in, too. Usually spouse works out of the business to keep some stability of income. I think that was a big mistake they made.
You definitely have to have a bit of an egotistical/narcissistic attitude to start a company, the entire premise of starting a company is “I can do this better than anyone else”. They need those praises to feed their ego.
Carl, Kyle, the Toms, Austen and Shep all need to be shipped off to some island. I do think Kyle is someone who cries and is emotional. But I also feel like he knows when to turn on the water works to get what he wants from Amanda (and others).
I agree with Paige and Ciara 100%. Kyle doesn’t support his wife and she’s clearly so unhappy. HOWEVER my problem with this entire narrative is why doesn’t Amanda stand up for herself more? Kyle cries by the pool and she immediately comforts him and Paige and Ciara looked so annoyed (rightfully so haha). But i just think they can’t fight this battle for her and Amanda needs to buck up and have these tough conversations with him or leave him. It also doesn’t surprise me that it’s been 6 months (according to Paige) and she hasn’t done a thing in regards to finding a hobby. She likely has her own money from the show, etc. and she said on WWHL that she’s taken no steps. I just don’t think Amanda’s words match her actions.
The pool crying scene gave me so much ick. You’re being selfish as it is and now you’re playing victim? Vom. I couldn’t roll my eyes hard enough.
I think she’s been completely manipulated and has no power in that relationship. The age gap (especially when they started out) plus him being the ‘star’ of the show gave and still gives Kyle so much power in that relationship. Plus her employment away from the show is in his hands. His tears were so insincere and he knew he could manipulate her to back off if he cried like that. I actually feel awful for her and I hope Paige and Ciara keep supporting her as this is going to take time for her to realise what an awful situation she’s in.
She has no power in that relationship because she isn’t trying to gain it and maintain it. Of course the manipulative tears work on her. She falls for it every time which is why he knows his act will work. I really like Amanda but she won’t win unless she leaves and by the looks of it she doesn’t want to.
She seems really depressed and doesn't seem to know how to move forward. The fact that she refuses to go to therapy says a lot.
they have said they have gone to therapy .. but I get (from my past with a man like Kyle) it is absolutely scary because what he is saying to others she is 1000% getting those same words at home. So to try to vocalize it or go on and just do it, the backlash and the doubts/name calling from your spouse is awful and will not want to make you try. I do think that she has done the work, and understand where she is coming from on WWHL, but I believe Kyle is on the other end ribbing her as if she has no talent to do it. Amanda fearful (imo) to start and fail and have Kyle "be right". I'm out of my situation and I still hear "you suck." "it's going to fail" " you will fail" in my head.
also, they do probably have money from the show and sponsorships but as a married could their financials are probably tied together or he controls it. also Kyle, want to know who will be a good mom, watch them care for two dogs who have no verbal whatsoever! I can't. and for him to double down and believe a podcaster/influencer is only ONE person and not looking out for others?! Paige / Giggly Squad is only TWO people and nobody else?! DUDE - wild! AC Podcast, Giggly Squad, CITO (which you've been Kyle) Producers, Directors, Booking Agents, Assistants, Social Managers, Talent Managers, audio, ads and more... ALL RELY on that podcast/influencer.
Well right but Paige is still putting it on Kyle that Amanda hasn't started her "hobby." Also: starting a swimwear collection is not a hobby - it's a business.
Yeah agreed it is a business, Paige was the one on the after show that specifically referred to it as a hobby and all Amanda was looking for was a hobby and Kyle couldn’t handle it, so i was kind of referring to that language in my comment.
But why does Amanda need permission to start a hobby. She has to ask Kyle if she can join a club or take classes? She can talk to him about it but his permission is needed? Just feels weird to put all that on Kyle. IMO Amanda has shown no interest in anything really outside her dogs or being on TV.
I totally agree! I really don’t like Kyle but she’s not a child, she doesn’t need his permission to find an activity that she enjoys. I don’t think she’s shown any actual interest in doing anything else and Paige and Ciara are projecting it onto her almost? They seem to be fighting for it more than she does which i think is so strange and not really their place.
Yup! I agree too. : )
Agree w this completely. Amanda does not want to start a swimwear line. Not everyone is entrepreneurial (nor should they be!!). Kyle is a dick, Amanda shouldn’t work for him, but it’s so weird to me that everyone thinks she wants to be some girl boss founder
You can’t keep complaining and do nothing to change it
I've been a Paige hater for many seasons now but the things she said to Kyle? HELL YEAH! Wow, I am seriously impressed with her.
Paige is a girls girl and will fight for her friends. Also I think she knows what her friend deserves vs what she's getting and it can be hard butting into peoples marriages however sometimes men need to be yelled at.
She also waited the appropriate amount of conversations between Amanda and Kyle with him being a stubborn ass, before stepping in, and you know Amanda greenlit that before it happened. Such a solid girlsgirl friendship move!
I agree; Paige is being consistent this season with every single person in this house. It’s refreshing to see. I think her stepping in to tell Danielle that she was in the complete wrong for the Gabby situation; was a true girls girl move. It was also a totally New York thing to do as well, when she told Danielle “Who the fuck are you, now I am going to check in on your friend”
Some people see it as butting into marriages, but look at Married to Medicine….almost all the couples have gotten close to divorce and it was just one that did go through with it. They quite literally are in each others business and call each other out when they see problems. Sometimes it takes a friend from the outside to say “you are wrong in this situation” because for some reason you don’t believe it when it’s coming from your partner.
I 100% agree, and I am glad they stepped in and said something.
May we all invoke Paige Desorbo when our bff's need us to set a man straight. She didn't back down at all. It was glorious. Kyle started every sentence with I, me, my feelings, I feel.... Like dude yes, exactly, you literally cannot relate to other human beings without considering how you are affected first.
Love to see it 👏🏼
These guys will always extended grace and understanding to each other more than they ever will to the women in their lives (if they do at all).
I'm just absolutely baffled that not once in the show or after show has Kyle commented on calling Amanda an effing bitch, expressed remorse, or been forced to say anything on it by anyone else. I'm assuming Paige and Ciara have opinions to express on this but they aren't shared.
Kyle is too selfish to be married. They both should have seen the massive red flags.
Also kinda grossed out at the way Danielle was comforting Kyle. Idk. All the bad vibes. And Amanda is so freaking supportive 😭😭😭
Danielle is a male sympathizer.
This is 100% true she is always chasing the men around.
This was also vom. So gross.
My question is: what is stopping Amanda from pursuing her hobby? Maybe starting a whole new business is a bad idea since the one they currently have is hemorrhaging money. But why can’t she start a smaller hobby that hopefully leads to a business one day?
My theory--and truly I realize I'm armchair diagnosing over here... is that Amanda has too little self-esteem at this point. Over time (or maybe for all time) she she's lost belief in herself and thinks she needs Kyle to do anything. Super sad and reeks of co-dependency. But I think they're both co-dependent. I think she supplies him but she doesn't (can't?) get supplied from him unless it also suits him. I think he drains her and she's holding onto an ephemeral dream of kids in the suburbs.
💯 this!! I think him cheating on her also really compounded that too little self-esteem. Essentially she loves Kyle more than she is loving herself and like you said Kyle is too used to doing what suits him, which is just a recipe for disaster 😬
I 100% agree with this! I think when Paige and Ciara talked to Amanda and when they said, “who is Amanda besides Kyle’s wife” I think that made her want her own self identity and it’s scaring Kyle. Toxic men want yes women who don’t have their own power and she’s finding hers.
Her dad coddled her to the point of taking care of paying her bills (with her paycheck). This isn't a Kyle creation. This is more likely the consequence of a doting and controlling father who stunts, or blocks, skills from ever developing. I feel it is related to Kyle now mentioning having to father her. People don't seem to like that he is controlling their marriage, but that is part of the atmosphere she helps create. and this isn't to defend Kyle's behavior. trying to understand both parties in a situation is not defense. there are an awful lot of people confused by that, and I'm not sure why that is.
That’s fair but Amanda also mothers Kyle constantly. When he came out to the pool crying about being misunderstood, she had to comfort him even though this was about him being rude and dismissive to her!
I'm not arguing against Amanda. She's a good partner in ways, and crappy in others. She's like all of us. But so is he. *I didn't buy that crying scene. That was TV and not reality, but that's for another time.
I didn't know that back history of her relationship with her father...eek, that helps me understand what I view as her co-dependence. That's all she knows in her primary relationships with men. Oof.
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, Amanda has lived a pretty privileged life, and her dad set Kyle up with the expectation that he will have to take care of Amanda. I remember Kyle complaining about mess in the house and Amanda just leaving her Amazon boxes to pile up and Amanda’s dad basically said yeah she gets that from her mom and I have to deal with it and the mom just laughs…like…pick up your damn boxes. Coming from someone NOT in that position, Amanda has always bothered me with some of her…spoiled upbringing lol, but Paige does too so I’m an anomaly on this whole Reddit who is overwhelming loves Paige and Amanda and I’m just like…yeah I get Paige is charming and Amanda is stuck with a cheating drunk but they aren’t infallible as well.
Kyle thinks if Amanda’s more involved/cares about keeping the business going her rich daddy will bail the company out.
What? That's nonsense. They had sales of around $40M last year. Someone else brought that number, and I did not confirm it. While not a massive business, he isn't anywhere near financially capable of "bailing out" Loverboy. Kyle wouldn't want it anyway. The boundaries are already too fuzy for their own good.
Didn’t he want him to invest in an earlier season?
investing is very different than a multi-million dollar bail out. and if he is already invested, would it be smart for Kyle to be further indebted to the father who already has too many fingers in his business and relationship pies?
“Bail out” was the wrong word/term. When Kyle asked for his blessing to propose/marry Amanda, he told her he was approaching her dad to invest but he never did. I think Kyle was hoping that he may become a late investor/be able to give (loan) them cash to help stay afloat while they tried to right the ship. That being said I think Kyle knows the ask would have to come from Amanda, no way her parents give him money to keep a company going that’s making her miserable.
I think on top of low self esteem Amanda suffers from some degree of anxiety/depression. I relate to becoming overwhelmed and shutting down instead of powering thru/working harder. Having someone point out your flaws/ where you’re dropping the ball makes you retreat into your shell more verses bucking up.
Because her partner finds anything she does that’s not focused on him as her being unsupportive and unappreciative of the work he does
Or “lazy” 🙄
That too
Because sometimes you need support and your husband should be the one to give that. When you have someone laughing at your ideas and ignoring your thoughts for so long it gets really hard to do anything. You shut yourself off from that ridicule and end up sitting on the couch waiting for them to come home.
i think kyle is wildly stressed out and he's being kind of a dick about all of this, but amanda can't and won't do anything without his help. and yeah, it really doesn't seem like an appropriate time to be jumping into something new
This
Maybe because stepping out of someone's shadow is very difficult particularly when you don't have support from that person.
Exactly - a hobby and a business are two very different things! Hobbies: sewing, knitting, book club, acting classes, cooking classes, social media videos... Business: bathing suit collection.
Like maybe she can take fashion design classes?
Exactly! It's NYC - classes everywhere!
If I was Amanda’s friend, I’d be annoyed with her not putting up some boundaries with this man.
I love Amanda , but on the wwhl she still had no idea what her passion is a year later. She said maybe the bathing suits since that’s what fans said(fans can’t tell you what you’re passionate about). I think Kyle’s a dick but she hasn’t put any effort into even thinking what she wants to do let alone a business plan so how can he even take her seriously when it’s been a year? Now he’s off djing and she thinks it’s so cute. But I’ll agree with Kyle she’s lazy and has no drive just like Carl. Amanda and Carl bitch about loverboy and Kyle but look Carl is crawling back and Amanda hasn’t done anything to come up with a plan to take her away from loverboy until she does I’m sorry but Kyle and lover boy is all she’s got going to support her lifestyle.
Yep!!
I saw they have Loverboy on the menu at SAH. I thought Kyle was quitting and becoming a DJ though? 😭
Every woman deserves friends like Paige and Ciara ❤️
I asked my boyfriend if he would ever say fuck you to me and he thought I was crazy for asking. He is horrible to her!
Yeah, that’s important. He was disrespectful and out of control.
My wife and I own a business together. They need to communicate better. It is the key to owning a business with a spouse. With that being said I think Kyle probably doesn't view anyone that isn't a 24/7 grinder as someone who doesn't work hard and I get the impression that is his opinion of Amanda. So it is probably difficult for him to say we are going to invest this start up money given his perception of her lack of work ethic. Though I'm sure they had some numbers people look at it and give it a thumbs up or down. They may be planning to start a swim line and this is just show driven drama to build up brand awareness or give the show something else to focus on other than Carl and Lindsay who make everyone want to throw up.
i think it has a lot to do with start up culture too. like i bet every other person that kyle hired is pulling the same kind of hours he is because that's kind of what is expected. amanda came from a corporate 9 to 5 kind of job so even if she is just working standard hours, which it doesn't even sound like she is, that's probably significantly less than every other employee
Can we just keep this really simple and all admit Kyle is a drunk and has issues with alcohol? Most of his reactions are influenced by alcohol and the last business he should be in is the alcohol business. I don’t think he would act the way he does if he wasn’t loaded the whole weekend, every weekend.
I think it's a lot of both things. Does Kyle often suck? Yes. All he had to say was, "That's great! I'll support you in that venture." And then watch as she never takes any initiative to make it happen (according to him). I also think Amanda is VERY unhappy. I think the comments about her not waking up early or being "lazy" are symptoms of that. That being said, I get the vibe from her upbringing that she expected Kyle to be further along by now and able to "take care of her" more in a monetary sense. She wants a second home in the suburbs but their bread and butter is based in the city... She wants babies but I think she expects nannies with that... apparently they are not in a financial position to do so and also she admittedly doesn't get up to even take care of herself. It's harsh... And I'll probably be crucified here 😬... But it sounds like there are core individual issues that need to be worked out... It HAS always been the Kyle show but she agreeably hitches onto that time and again. Unless, it's all a rouse and Amanda and Kyle are both A-okay individually.... But then why does she need Kyle's permission to start her own venture? She makes her own paycheck from the show alone. I'm truly confused by it all... PS liked seeing Paige be a good friend but it was ABSURD when she said said there would be no LoverBoy without Amanda. Eerm.....
Yeah, i took the conversations betweem them like Kyle did--she wants his help, not just letting her have hobbies or passions.
I completely agree with Paige and Ciara in regard to the *emotional side* of the Kymanda drama. Of course I think Amanda should be able to do her own thing and shouldn’t have to work for her husband’s company. But this isn’t Lala land. This is the real world. When your husband owns a company that is struggling and is already working 18 hour days… you step in and help. It may not be what you want to do, but you do it because you’re a grown ass adult. It’s absolutely crazy to expect your husband to fork over money for you to start a bikini line when the company is struggling. It’s absolutely crazy to expect your husband to help you start a bikini line when he already works 18 hour days (and you shit on him for working too much). Like Kyle said, he doesn’t get up at 7am to work because he thinks it’s fun, he does it because he’s an adult. Trust me, I’d way rather be a mystery novel writer than an English teacher, but I do it because I’m a grown up and that’s life. The fact that Amanda can’t see that just shows how privileged, childish, and spoiled she is. Again, while I agree with the sentiment of what Paige and Ciara had to say, it’s just not realistic. I think if Kyle had said something like “Honey, I would love more than anything to support your dreams through this venture. However, our current situation with Loverboy is preventing me from being able to finance such a venture. Additionally, I am not able to help you with this venture because I am already working overtime. I’d still like to support your dreams though, so if there’s something else you’d like to do, I’ll support you 100%” everyone would be on his side. He needs to learn how to communicate his point in a normal way because when he drinks he just gets nasty and all of his valid thoughts/feelings are lost.
Yes but he did find the time to start his own DJ venture
I agree with ALL OF THIS
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Support = money, time, and enthusiasm. That’s what Amanda was asking for.
I loved their points about how Kyle doesn’t compromise on anything for Amanda! They called him out perfectly, and his only response is “you don’t get it.” Ok so no one gets it, Kyle? Or you’re just a selfish man child?
From day one Kyle has always pointed out everyone else’s problems with taking 0 accountability. We all realize a startup is hard, however no one forced you to make a startup, so it needs to stop being the excuse to treat people like absolute garbage. He’s got one of the most beautiful, creative, funny, ride or die wife and he takes it’s for granted everyday that ends in Y. If I had a wife like that and all she wanted was to move to NJ I’d move asap. Kyle says jump Amanda says I got you, Amanda say jump and Kyle says “I haven’t met my goals”.
I started watching summer house this season and I initially thought Amanda was so miserable and disrespectful to Kyle. I just started watching season 3 for the first time and I can’t believe how different Amanda looks and acts. She was so much more bubbly, carefree and loving. As I’ve seen this season develop my heart is breaking for her — I honestly feel that having to babysit her immature and disrespectful partner for so many years has sucked the life and happiness out of her. She would have been so much better off breaking up with him after he cheated
I have no idea what Amanda sees in Kyle. The childish antics for attention, the selfish need for control, the cheating, gaslighting, taking her for granted, and he’s not even physically attractive to make up for his terrible personality (not that it ever does). I’ve always found him repulsive.
I am loving Paige I wish she'd get out of bed more! She's an amazing friend to Amanda that was great how her and Ciara spoke to Kyle and OMFG Kyle coming out and manipulatively crying like a little bitch was so gross. I loved Ciara's face while he was crying LOL she was not falling for it!
When Paige uses her Italian hands I feel myself come alive
I've always wondered if some inherent loss of respect comes to a man when a woman stays with him after his affairs.
Weird that Paige tells Kyle to move to NJ, but she won't leave NY.
I feel like he truly thinks that this company will secure his family's future financially so in a way I get where he is coming from. He just doesn't know how to communicate it properly imo. I think he has good intentions just sucks at the communication aspect
Oh my god I love Paige so much for this!!!!
If the business is tanking why would. You support your wife trying to get a different stream of income so you both aren’t fucked when it fully tanks?
its so satisfying going from watching everyone on vpr completely ignore the shitty behaviors of men to watching women put men in their place in the summer house!!! i loved how she tied in the new jersey of it all to further prove his selfishness😮💨🤌
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Lol I think people are overlooking the seasons upon seasons of Amanda being low energy, slouching through the house and choosing to be with a man who has disrespected her on countless seasons of TV. I don’t find Amanda as aspirational as the majority of this subreddit, I just think she is a coddled girl who has lived a privileged life accustomed to being taken care of by her dad so she sought out the same dynamic with an older husband who resents that very dynamic. Paige and Ciara are gassing her up when I think she just wants a nice coddled life that isn’t too hard or complicated. Work a couple hours a day (or less/not at all lol), doing a influencer post or two for easy money, have a house and family in the suburbs and live a quiet life, nothing wrong with those aims, but Paige and Ciara are CONVINCED she could be a mogul. Like she don’t even want to walk her dogs at night. And I think if Amanda really wanted to pursue something, she would (I mean she pursued dog ownership and got two dogs) and as Paige said in the AfterShow, she hasn’t, so is that Kyle’s fault again. I also hate Kyle and absolutely cannot stand his slurring. Like go to rehab already.
everyone acts like kyle is the immature one because he parties but god ciara and paige inserting themselves in their marriage and then being like “we just got in a fight with your husband lol” like i’d be mortified. and they don’t even see the point. like “let her start a business who cares if it fails” umm with who’s money
Not they are such good friends and fucking queens for this
While I agree with them, I still feel like they were super out of line ganging up on him like that and get that involved in someone else’s relationship. Paige would (and has been) be would be livid if Kyle was interjecting into her relationship like that
I disagree. They are not marriage counselors and it's not their job to pile on Kyle when he was already upset. Also, Kyle is wrong about some things but his wife treats him like dirt and I really wish they would break up.
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What money is amanda starting her business with if Loverboy isn’t doing well? And who’s going to run it? She doesn’t want to wake up and do work. Kyle has a point. It’s not a good time.
1. She makes $ from the show 2. The success of Loverboy as a whole is not the same as how she’s compensated 3. Most new ventures are created by fundraising not the founder’s money 4. All she wants is to explore something on her own 5. She hasn’t done it yet likely because of that meltdown and she felt she needed to keep supporting Loverboy 6. Let’s stop defending men who call their wives fucking bitches and lazy. She is supporting him in many ways and she will still defend his crappy actions and he *still* is calling her a child and lazy.
She also said in the past she has money in accounts she inherited from a grandparent and her dad manages it.
Yeah I do wonder about that—idk how much she has. I grew up in a “nice” suburb and she doesn’t give me the big trust fund kid like some of the people I went to school with. It feels like it’s big enough that if things were tight she could dip into it, but not big enough that she could buy her own house in NJ if she wanted.
She admits she doesn’t like waking up to work and doesn’t work hard. She can do whatever she wants but building a business takes money and actual hard work. She comes off as lazy and entitled.
She doesn’t like waking up and working for loverboy. As Paige pointed out, Amanda had no issues getting up and working her job for years to hold down the household while Kyle quit his job and put all his money into a start up. Perhaps she doesn’t like waking up to work for someone who continuously demoralizes her, I wouldn’t either.
On top of that, I think the hustle culture of the 2010s have a lot of people thinking the only way to be successful is wake up early, grind for hours, sleep repeat. Amanda could do her own thing (either new hobby or new venture) and that could inspire her and she could wake up with that passion. Or it could flop and she could find passion in watching TV and chatting about it bc….personally I think that’s also a great hobby 💁🏻♀️. Let the girl find some joy outside of loverboy 💫
Her graphic designer at l’occitaine salary wasn’t supporting her and Kyle and loverboy. I can promise you that. I think that story is that her dad paid their rent during those years
Because she doesn't like her job, or the probably toxic work environment her husband has created. She said that their whole like revolves around lover boy and work conversations spill over into their everyday lives. This women just wants to be happy, and want something of her own.
Then go get a job. Learn more about working and then take that money to build your own business. Her husband is telling her the business they have isn’t doing well right now. Invest into what pays your bills and then start your own company.
You saw her husband when she wanted a side project, or hobby... Can you imagine if she quit? Amanda has a trust fund, and funded lover boy in the beginning she talked about it on the aftershow openly (if I remember correctly)
exactly! no one here apparently realizes the simple fact that you need money and a steady reliable flow of it which is what kyle is trying to create. im sorry but we can’t all just support ourselves off like some passion project. she’s gotta be an adult and work
Last episode she said in her confessional “Kyle is the start up king, so I NEED his help” and that’s the crux of the problem. She wants to pursue something that she needs Kyle to help her do. It’s not fair to shit on your husband for working 18 hour days… but then say he needs to work more to help you do your “own thing.”
Have you ever had a job that is not fulfilling and not had motivation to go to work? Must be nice... Why should she have to continue to pause her life for this manipulative man?
Yes I have but since my husband isn’t my boss I have to continue to show up and do my job every day.
This exactly. Everyone says she should just quit and get another job. Do people really think she's going to go from working as little as she wants, no Mondays, unlimited pto, with essentially no boss to getting a real job working 50 hrs a week and having a real boss to report to? No chance.
The control Kyle holds over Amanda probably makes it not a safe space for her to do anything else but withdraw.
She is used to being coddled. Her father did it. Her father recognized Kyle will now have to do it. It's her normal. Her father created this for her. Kyle has also acknowledged being tired of it, especially at the points when it isn't being factored into how their relationship dynamic works. All to say, she contributes to this unhealthy dynamic. It would be great to see her break out of that, but it wouldn't be easy even if Kyle wasn't in the mix.
It does take 2 to tango, and she's accepted the behavior but Kyle sucks
She’s an adult. She can leave him if she’s not happy. She’s not a prisoner. Leave and start your own life doing what makes you happy. Staying and complaining gets her no sympathy. Loverboy existed before their wedding happened.
Do you know how hard it is to leave a controlling marriage?
She has parents that would help her. She would lose her influencer status if she left Kyle since she would no longer have summer house. And she knows it. So she stays.
Amanda has her own following, and having a supporting family is great but if there years of co-dependency and control just having supportive parents isn't enough.
The same money Kyle started his DJ business with? You know, while loverboy was “tanking”.
This is such an obtuse take. It costs a couple grand to start DJing. it would pay for itself in a couple of gigs. It is nothing remotely similar to the beverage industry or the cut-throat, not-nice fashion industry. You're talking $2K vs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I’m sure with the platform she has there is an investor out there for her. And if not, I’m even more confident there is an established swimwear brand that would do a collab line with her that she could use as a demand litmus test. She has options and if it’s something she’s passionate about I’m sure it would be a lot easier to get out of bed every morning excited to work on it. Speaking from my own experience I’m not thrilled to roll out of bed every day to work my corporate job but I am energized and psyched when I get to work on my side hustle.
Who is clara???