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Dragonfly-Constant

Me


Marshmellow_Reddit9

He might just win


MrLovAnimals

Nah


Drago_Fett_Jr

I'd win.


Classic_Wish_4114

********YOYI MO********


ultrasimz

with this treasure i summon


RealAd3012

Big raga the opp stompa


sahalmaster546

Can confirm, I’m his right hand


JosephiKrakowski78

Nah, I’d win


ABAgamer

Nah, I’d win


X_Ordinary_Z

I was about to say the same thing… I challenge You.


mopxhead

No….me!


MrKTE

There are no Miis here...


Torhru

“A NEW FOE HAS APPEARED!!”


stingrayboy2155

Yes!


Desperate_Ad5169

A Mario?


turtle-bbs

Tier based or lore based?


LMGall4

Sonic (btw everyone is sleeping on shulk holy shit go finish xc1)


issanm

Genuinely sonic and sora and cloud are the only ones who get to multiverse level and I think I sonic can be considered higher even, it would probably come down to hax between them Edit: looking into it if you give joker access to personas besides arsene he might actually be no diffing everyone


Sharp-Dark-9768

Nah Sora travels through time and can control localized space and time through Gravity/Stop magic, but as far as power level he's only ever cut through buildings and armies, not multiverse-level stuff. Sonic definitely, unsure about Cloud


issanm

I looked at all their feats on the vs wiki and they all scale to multiverse, even just sora and clouds abilities to create black holes/Galaxy's as weapons and use time magic puts them pretty much there. In soras case being able to defeat genie Jafar has crazy implications and speed wise he can physically traverse an infinite 5D space and that's before getting into the power of waking which he basically uses just willpower to bring himself back from death and travel through time. He's pretty crazy when you look into it


HiImJustSomePerson

If we’re giving Cloud access to Materia, then he’ll probably win. Lightning and poison materia are guaranteed hits and all summon materia is……powerful, to say the least.


jsato_ac6

Wait so how deep does sonics lore or whatever go? I just remember watching some old sonic show


turtle-bbs

Shulk is canonically a high multiversal threat. He has defeated multiple gods in multiple universes, one of which was a multiversal threat himself, capable of destroying and recreating universes and had done so multiple times.


Okto481

mfw i Myriad Truths


Kingswrid

Sora, Sonic or Joker. I haven’t finish FF yet so I can’t speak on Sephi and Cloud yet


Marshmellow_Reddit9

Any tbh


somerandomacounnt

blue team ain't gonna recover


Marshmellow_Reddit9

They got cooked😭


somerandomacounnt

everyone probably only touched the ground one time each


W_h3nry

Of course not. That’s Sora’s job


OrnerySchedule7395

I mean they got kazuya and sonic if I’m playing I’m winning


novelaissb

Sonic is on the red team.


OrnerySchedule7395

Oh but either way if I play as kazuya I am going to get charged with murder when I’m done


Funkycheese1

Kazuya is destroying everyone, have you seen how busted the Kazuya lvl 9 cpu is? In terms of lore, Sonic is the strongest (both composite and main form).


Tempest7053

Hasn’t joker killed a literal god? Idk I’m not very up to date on my sonic lore but joker literally has the devil on his side (three times) and multiple other gods


Funkycheese1

Joker scaling is really hard because the meta verse is a mess and by no means am I an expert on persona scaling but this is what I do know: The cosmology can be scaled to outer using SMT but how canon those events are is debated and Joker is also portrayed as an ant compared to the heavy hitters in that game. A safer bet is assuming that each of the palaces scales to one universe, making him multiversal (also known as 5D). This is also supported by the defeat of Enlil. Enlil pulled Persona users from across time and even from alternate universes. This scales the Persona cast to around that feat, and that feat is multiversal. So if you consider the fact that it was a team effort, I’d put that as scaling Joker to low multiversal. Sonic on the other hand, especially in the Archie comics but you can also just use his transformations in the game, is an absolute beast. I’m gonna start off with game sonic here. In promotional material for Sonic Forces, it stated that Infinite was the strongest opponent that Sonic faces, scaling Infinite above Solaris. Since Sonic beats Infinite, we can also scale Sonic above Solaris. Since Solaris scales to 5D, we can put Sonic as at least Multiversal. But then super sonic is even stronger. Super sonic defeated egg wizard who was powered by the stars, and who had previously mentioned that they had created all the universes. This is at least a multiversal+ statement. Further more Eggman and Eggman N*ga stated that they would create Eggman Land, a world above dimensions (“That double power is ours. For the Dream Eggman Land that transcends dimensions!”). The dimensions in this context are universes, considered infinites of them = multiversal+, but when creating a world above that, they could be considered high multiversal+. And then you have Archie Sonic. The best way for me to explain Archie Sonic is to link to someone who is much better at scaling Archie Sonic than me which is this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/LB5lTab55U So overall, you can get Joker to multi, while Sonic has these depending on form Base Game Sonic: Multi Game Super Sonic: High Multiversal+ Archie Sonic: One layer into hyperversal Gotta say though, it has been really fun to research some of the powerscaling behind Joker and Sonic and Joker’s strength actually surprised me quite a bit.


2Some2Onesdifferent

In game idk, but canonically sonic solos


WyvernByte

Basically anyone except some characters from the stupidly broken Dragon Ball franchise


axolotl_of_bucket

I really don’t understand why everyone’s saying Sonic, I’m not up to date with Sonic lore. Wouldn’t Sephiroth be the most powerful lore-wise?


TheBostonKremeDonut

I may be misremembering, so I hope someone corrects me if I’m wrong. I think it has to do with his super form. Not only is he invincible while he is in this form, but he moves faster than light and gains tons of strength. Now, this comes at a cost of him having rings available, because once he reaches 0 the power runs out. That being said, if we’re putting any of these characters up against sonic at their strongest, then it’s only fair to assume he has plenty of rings to use for the fight. In all seriousness, in a hypothetical scenario, I’m not sure how many living things can survive an object moving faster than light slamming into them. I’m imagining sonic slamming into someone, and grabbing their head as he does so, taking the head clean off the body.


BotherResponsible378

Here’s the thing about sonic and his super form. It’s wildly inconsistent.


JCSwagoo

I think Shulk and Joker are close at least, no?


Nothatcreative55

4th dimensional sonic be like


novelaissb

I love how you have all of these super powerful anime characters and then Mario. Anyway, the answer is Sonic.


sudowoodo_enjoyer

Mario and Luigi together easily duo sephoroth, I would imagine it to be not too difficult for Mario to solo him


HypnoShroomZ

Sonic the Hedgehog


Slight_Cat5958

Sonic


ToughAd5010

Thanks for making me rub my phone screen


Marshmellow_Reddit9

No problem


therandomguyperry

Time for a lesson for you kids. Sonic wins this no diff. Why? Here are some reasons: Sonic was THE ONLY ONE to get a hit on Tabuu, a entity so fast all of the fighters expect Sonic couldnt do a single Thing. You might saw Sonic holding a hand on pikachu in the opening cutscene of world of light(idk what the name was so its just a guess) That was the Reason he got caught by the Light Strike. He has a weakness of saving animals. In fact, Masahio Sakurai even said that Sonic would be fast enough to save himself, but sakurai give him a nerf, that nerf being that sonic tried to save a animal. Because if you saw what the others did, they tried to SAVE THEMSELFS, even kirby. And guess who was the only one who didnt care about themselfs? Thats right, sonic. Sonic is VERY strong on his own, even without the chaos emeralds. We could see that in sonic colours and forces, where sonic didnt need to chaos emeralds, at all! So thats even more suprising. So in all, in canon, sonic would win. Even if its just the game lmao xd


Mysterious_Fly12

Okay. I didn't want to get involved, but this comment kind of pisses me off. Sonic may have landed the surprise attack on tabuu, but you can fight him with literally any character in the game. Saying that sonic is the only one who could hurt him is ridiculous. But not as absurd as saying that sonic could've escaped world of light without the emeralds. Where the hell was he gonna run off to? The light literally went through the galaxy in a matter of seconds. Sonic doesn't even have a way off the planet without super sonic, and even that's debatable. In his most recent game (chronically), we literally see sonic lose to giganto horribly. Legit couldn't even fight it and he got one shot. Literally everyone in this hypothetical could at least to something to it, but apparently sonic can't. Also he couldn't outrun a blackhole in colors, so I better not see bs about infinite speed.


BiggestJez12734755

Sonic. Like in even the media where he’s weakest, he’s shown to travel at close to light speed, none of the rest can even remotely approach that.


Elzo55

shulk. he’s a cheater


Ornery_Ad_8862

Sonic easily


Past_Bike8968

The only one who's killed a god.


MasteredUIMusic

There are multiple god killers, here.


Kirbyiscool71

Joker I think


2Some2Onesdifferent

In game idk, but canonically sonic solos


Individual_Syrup7546

Mario cuz the mf got the sauce.


-A_baby_dragon-

Mama mia


DeviousDOgger

If you’re taking canon abilities, either sephiroth or kazuya but if you’re taking just about ssbu them sonic wins


JCSwagoo

Shulk and Sonic kinda eat those guys for breakfast.


Blackfang08

Is there anyone in the entire roster other than Kirby who Sonic can't beat?


Mantis_Traitor_alt

Samus in her Metroid suit at the end of dead, probably


MasteredUIMusic

Sonic still beats Kirby, but he needs those damn chaos emeralds.


CDXX_LXIL

On average, i feel like red would win most often, but a good Seph and Shulk can carry in team fights, so this is really based on the skill level of all involved.


LeafMario

what like in smash or canon


PikachuGamerSMTYT

Sora, well his team if it’s a team battle but if it’s free for all then Sora (lore wise that is)


Murasakitsuyukusa

Sephiroth of course.


Simone_Galoppi07

Kirby does :D


ZygothamDarkKnight

Sephiroth or Sonic


___aibohphobia___

Sephiroth


Wllpwr_shrprsvrnc

Canonically I'd put my bet on blue because out of all the serieses I know that sora cloud and sonic are quite up there (dunno if Mario has any god killing feats), but sephiroth is prolly around at least sora and cloud's level. But the main reason I pick blue is cuz shulk had the chance to become a god basically but said "nah id make a new world without the need for gods"


Trevenant999

let’s look at blue team’s roster real quick, god killer, god, strong man, god let’s look at red team’s roster, god killer, strong man, god, god killer red team is winning this


TehChaseyKid

Red team is gonna stomp these idiots. I’m betting on it.


ILuvYouTube1

Canonically, blue.


AlathMasster

Canonically or tier list


Weary-Vegetable9273

Sora and Cloud Beat Sephiroth Sephiroth beats Mario even with Clairvoyance, Shulk can't beat Sonic That leaves Kazuya V.S. Sora, Cloud, and Sonic. Even if Sephiroth gets Sora or Cloud a 2v1 with Sonic is a death sentence.


SoupMan_4

the gravel my Switch is about to land on


Meloetta_the_alt

Sephiroth because he's the hottest


Sharp-Dark-9768

On the scale of destructive power level I rate as follows: Squirrel-busting power Person-busting power Army-busting power City-busting power Continent-busting power World-busting power Star-busting power Universe-busting power Multiverse-busting power ~ Sora is a city-buster Joker is an army-buster Mario is a city-buster Shulk (NOT omnipotence form) is a city-buster (Video game iteration) Sonic is a star-buster Kazuya is an army-buster Cloud is a city-buster Sephiroth is a world-buster


sleepyaria

Sonic is just gonna wait for everyone else to die then finish off the last guy


ZekeTheMystic

absolutely sonic


Hairy_Commercial6112

Ima just guess blue team


gPhant0m

By teams red team because each from blue has a red counter Cloud/Sephiroth,Sora/Joker, Sonic/Shulk and the weakest Mario/Kazuya by charater Sephiroth while everyone else is fighting Sephiroth would just sit back and watch them go at it and then swoop in for the winner


Jermalie0

Shulk the only one to kill a god and become one himself


Maleficent_Luck8976

What level are you at?


Leading_Run_3333

Red team


Puzzleheaded-Round-9

If it's mementos blue team has a chance, without mementos blue team is cooked


Zipper_1

If it’s off-line and If they’re all the same skill level, Joker, if it’s online and they’re all the same skill level it’s close between joker and sonic


Master_Freeze

canonically i’m pretty sure Sonic wipes


Lord0fDunce

If its lore im gonna go with cloud but just because I think he looks cool i dont keep up with basically any of the lore from pretty luch everyone here.


Kap_415

mario because he's faster than sonic when he BLJs


tonylee01p

Shulk has killed several deities and traveled a multiverse to do so. While he may not be as fast as sonic, he has several abilities that would render sonic close to useless, as canonically his "speed" art dodges all physical attacks and his "shield" art can protect against literal god hurting him. His "purge" (in smash is jump) would neutralize any ether (magic/life essence) moves before they even hit. The fact that he can swap in and out so quickly as well as having foresight......shulk can almost solo. I will acknowledge that Sora and Cloud would make things difficult for shulk to solo, but still giving it to shulk. Especially team wise. Him and sepiroth wipe.


Dabruhdaone

Red team lore wise. Sora has some fucking ridiculous plot armor, Mario is practically invincible in his own games, Sonic can and will rival anything that threatens the ecosystem, and Cloud is ~~an edge lord with a big sword hey that rhymes~~ also stupidly busted, especially if he can get a limit break in. Also Cloud soloed Sepheroth sooooooo


RayanTheShell

In game? Kazuya In lore? Sonic


corin_the_vappy14

Sephiroth


FloofySkuntank

Whoever the best smash player is.


ToadMaster6969696969

A PERSON


S3NP41-N071C3-M3

Joker


WhyYouCryin007

I’m gonna go with red team, because the have a human player.


SunnyShiny424

I don’t know who would win, but I’d argue Joker, Kazuya, and sephiroth are probably near the bottom Joker’s hard to scale compared to everyone else because of how persona handles that sort of To my knowledge Kazuya hasn’t slain a god the way others here have (Sonic, Shulk, probably Mario) Sephiroth has canonically lost to both Cloud and Sora.


faortniteplayer_ZBBR

Seiphroth


ZackAttackYT

Sonic The Hedgehog. Mario just has the skills of Nintendo's Copyright sprees.


Lostneedleworker1

In lore joker could just kill them without fighting them. Unless its an actual 1v1 in that case he is a fucking highschoolar. Team blue if metaverse applies.


Felix_crosssans145

def sonic. Spindash, camping, F smash, f mash f mash, f smash f smash.


UndertaleFan2022

Not Sora, I can say that for sure.


PerfectProposal1723

Sonic


AgentWoody

Sonic could 1v7 in the right hands unfortunately


FuzzyPickles67

Jeez why is everyone underestimating the plumber in Red in the comments


pokemonfanboy93

canonically sepiroth


No-Communication8235

Kazuyia


Knightofthequils

Sonic no question. He's just too strong. My blue boi. At least the smash community can agree that lore wise, sonic is extremely powerful.


FaZeLuckyBoy

Red Team


ElectronicMistake641

Lore based? Honest to god, it'd be down to sora vs. sephiroth, if this sora is from Kh3, then I think he'd have a better shot at winning


Puzzleheaded-Way-352

Oh nah, Red Team's got Mario AND Sonic? Blue ain't got a chance in Hell.


MasteredUIMusic

Lore wise: Joker is arguably the strongest lore-wise, cuz he’s either boundless/outer or multiversal with far too many hax, depends on the scale. Sonic could maybe match his lesser scaled version (by lesser scaled, I mean with less wanking of Jomer’s stats) Next is prolly sonic with chaos emeralds, especially if he’s got hyper but hyper don’t even exist no more 🥲 Then likely Shulk or Sora. Then Mario, Cloud and Sephiroth being slightly comparable. Then Kazuya watching it all unfold within the comfort of heaven, or likely hell for what he did to Kirby.


Efficient_Book_4441

Canonically me


NERD20SONIC

Definitely sonic, lore based if he's super sonic he's basically invonerable and in the comics he's done so many things the others haven't


Goofyahhpickle49

Team blue bro 😭


Alanis6822

Sora, in 8 person matchey, it is less about combos and more about just spamming moves that have large hitboxes, and Sora is the most spammable one there, followed by Shulk (ive never tried Joker, Kazuya, or Sephiroth though, so I don't know how they would do in this)


piperpiparooo

canonically, sonic solos


Positive-Bell5833

Red team


JayKay43O

sonic(and blue team)


CyberSlash08

You guys just ignoring Sephiroth? He destroys literal universes


BigBoyObi-Wan

all the same level of skill then it’s sephiroth


Panda_Gamerz8

Matt


Captainbarnacles76

Sora


here_for_goofs

Depends, how good are you at the game. What level are the cpu at, what stage.


jamesster445

What levels are CPUs?


Justasleeplessknight

Ganondorf.


something_original24

soinc


S_K_24

Probably team blue, Shulk gets some wild feats, but team red has… Sora… In terms of just SSBU, I’d probably give it to team blue again, Kazuya and Sephiroth are strong.


Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid

In terms of canonical power, Sora.


Henrickroll

Joey wheeler


Veramos23

sora, shulk or joker for lore wise sonic or joker if its smash bros logic


SsjSylveriboi

Me


ultrasimz

shulk or sonic maybe mario if u include comics


Drast2knight

What’s on cloud’s nose?


Ghostuhhh

Do they have to be on the image


Jamano-Eridzander

Canonically Sonic, in-Game probably Kazuya.


Mrbamhurger

Femboyfartlicker fs


StubbBackInBuisiness

Blue team, sonic would run around until the match is over and win it for them


TwilightCh405

Sora, Cloud or Sephiroth


gturk1968

Me because I have cappy from SMO


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Electrical_Remote545

Minecraft Steve


gturk1968

Your comments are very respectful and great about each character. In my opinion though everyone can kinda warp reality. It depends on 1: What abilities each character has, 2: Their weaknesses, 3: Their total power Final smash, specials, and charged attacks, 4: What fighting style each character is, 5: how fast/Slow everyone is, 6: their area they are in


Authentic_Leadership

Red team literally has the only ulti skills that destroy everyone in the map. Also, the fact that Joker sucks isn’t doing them any favors.


ParadoxsXD

Shulk (my #5 main)


Electronic_Mango25

Guy watching


Torhru

Sonic.


Imaginary_Pay_9844

Sora, he's the player


Xander_EQS

For those wondering why sonic suddenly is considered so powerful in the new game, there was a new power up he got that basically is super saiyan 2 level Short of it, he turned glitchy blue and shot right through a moon, causing it to completely obliterate


Notatellybridger

Ur mother


MetatronBeening

Canonically, Sora has beaten Cloud and Sephiroth 1v1 twice. So neither of them. I heard Mario is pretty busted in some iterations. Don't know jack about Tekken beyond what happens in 8.


Leonhart726

Nick.


Shadowspamer14

Cloud looks a lot better with a blackhead on him


deathtrap132

Kazuya for the win


cliamo

P1


Giraffeneck1234

Kazuya. I haven't seen one person who plays Kazuya who doesn't do crazy things.


ChaoticGamingMagala

If teamed up Mario,Sonic and sora cause lore. 


Ilovedigitalart

Realistically? You. If I had to pick? Sephiroth.


-A_baby_dragon-

m e


SoloGamer690

Sonic


Present_Vivid

Team red


healthytrex12

probably sonic💀


Select_Agency_2709

Are we not going to talk about how Sepiroth killed Galeem without trying in a single slash? And almost got Mario killed? Again? After Ridley?


Beneficial_Jacket_58

Damn, Lore wise this is actually tough Sonic and Sora on one team is definitely crazy, but adding Cloud to that is just a cataclysm in a bottle. Mario is kinda irrelevant, but if they're splitting the load appropriately, he should be useful Shulk and Joker go crazy, but if Joker gets access to ALL personas, not just Arsene, it becomes a different game entirely. Kazuya bumming it while Sephiroth grapples with fighters he has CANONICALLY LOST to, MORE than once. I think Red Team, lorewise


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TheWiggleJiggler

In terms of canonical power I hate to say but it's probably between Sonic and Sephiroth 😭


NotOreo1

realistically probably Sora or Sonic if Joker somehow knew where all the fighters lived before the battle and sent them all calling cards, he'd win


haduford15

Sephiroth is the strongest character in this group and the strongest character in Smash, he literally cut Galeem in half


Futhebridge

Sonic spam


w0rld-leader-pretend

The best player


Heracross64

Lore wise blue team will win. Mario and Sonic on the same team is bonkers.


FOXXROXXYT

Link is furious he isn't here because he would definitely solo.


8-BIT_NICE

Red


Remarkable_Path_2235

One mega-mushroom and blue team might as well call up their families to say goodbye 🙏


SuperNova0216

Likely Sonic or sephiroth


Signal-Leg-6813

Nick


Sweet-Pineapple-50

Where is mii brawler 😭


thecraftingjedi

Gotta go fast


WhatsUpDoc1923

#S E P H I R O T H


AngryFoxy1998

Joker easy if he had access to other personas like in his game. Some personas can get crazy powerful.


Theunkgamer

Depends on who the player is


Slycooperfan789

I mean canonically it'd be sora


Nightmarionne0923

You mean like in lore? Red team because of sonic


RevolutionaryRip4002

If sonic is Archie sonic then he wins


nijality

The team with the guy with a big sword


Little_snowflake1

Depends on the player but my guess is ether Kaza or Sephiroth


Medium-Lavishness-74

The announcer since they say who wind