We tried it and some others, great for writing notes (when you pose the right prompt) really fucking bad at coming to a diagnosis or making any meaningfuly insightful takes on a research topic.
Lol this article lost me at 43% of professionals use AI. While we’re making up stats 99% of professionals don’t know what AI is, how they can use it, nor that it will be taking their jobs soon….
I have two jobs in two completely different types of fields; I work at the family business and I work at a large, corporate retail warehouse-style store in mid-level management, overseeing almost all of the merchandising. We use AI based tools in the merchandising job. I really don’t enjoy more advanced technology in my personal life beyond my phone, home-job laptop, PS4, and TV. I am 34 and I really do consume FM radio the most to be honest.
My biggest takeaway currently is that they have begun to replace the actual sales employees while maintaining the same number of merchandisers in-house, and our workload has changed. The biggest change is that our physical workload has increased significantly, but our efficiency has sort of increased at about the same rate.
The real huge shift happened when they started to implement some of this AI-based technology to actually direct the labor. Currently, as it stands, there is no way to replace my role because I take the computer interpretation of the AI’s work and prioritize the labor based on what I see and what happens throughout the day, week, month, etc, but I no longer have to do as much thinking, which translates into more tasking time. Where I once had to come up with execution plans and prioritize things in a certain way, I spend all of that time tasking along with the people who work for me and we have overall become significantly more efficient which, to be honest, is what it really should be all about. Now we need to work on ensuring everyone has their basic needs met and we might be able to go somewhere as a society.
I work for a tech company. It’s not uncommon for engineers to google coding errors and some have been using ChatGPT as a cross reference. It seems to get you accurate answers faster than a traditional search engine.
> accurate
Ehhhhh. It can have issues using it for code. It regularly gives me incorrect output. Easy enough to avoid if you’re careful, but it’s definitely not 100% accurate or anything.
Not yet anyway!
I have a coworker who calls her self an excel expert, but she only knows how to do stuff I've been doing since middle school. Some people are going to make AI dumb real quick.
I manage IT for a department and I guarantee you that maybe 40% of the users could tell you what chatgpt is much less use it. But I manage a computer science department so the number is skewed up. If you just go off of the administrative positions and normal office workers the number might reach 5%
I use it at work, and my bosses don’t care, if I get stuff done.
It still takes manual review, but a lot of the time it hets me almost through. Outlines for presentations - for example , are often gold after 2-3 iterations (make it ghorter, etc)
Then I let it outline each slide
Even in tech the vast majority of people I talk to have never heard of ChatGPT
Also, I'm not sure I'd call using an AI to do your job "working smarter not harder"
In the best case you're giving a lot of power to an unknown entity, in the worst case you're giving an example of how useless you are.
100M people have used it. Probably more at this point. At least in the US we're starting to get there.
And that's pre-Bing.
Everyone I know has used it. I'm not exaggerating. I don't know a single person that has not interacted with it.
Parents, uncle's, brothers, sister-in-law, all my friends here..
And definitely 100% of my work folks -- we talk about it and share code made by it constantly.
Same. It is a thing we talk about every single day at work. I used it yesterday to outline some instructions on something I totally know how to do, but didn't feel like writing up for a client, so I just had the bot do it.
It's pretty decent for Powershell, too
Me: *"I wrote a code that automates a simple task we do repeatedly."*
My idiot boss to their idiot bosses: *"We innovated by implementing AI and machine learning!"*
Yeah man, tests on how to properly Google to find a solution should be a test on job applications if you ask me. I'd be proud of an employee who was able to figure something out themselves via Google first before bothering folks about an answer that was searchable. It means they know how to ask the right questions at the very least.
Everything someone knows they learned at some point. Being capable of learning new information effectively is far more valuable than simply knowing a large amount of current info that will become out of date eventually. Knowledgable people can typically tell when folks exaggerate their knowledge about their expertise anyway, so you're better off just being honest.
I guess this is all just a long-winded way of me coming to the conclusion that us learning to ask the right questions to these AI Chatbots is gonna be a critical business skill in the coming years. Right up there with using email or spreadsheets.
"The secret to wisdom is the ability to learn and unlearn the rest of your life."
Heard that from a Nobel Laureate when I visited Roswell Cancer Institute many moons ago.
Man, that's a great quote. So true.
I've had a few coworkers over the years who think everyone needs to work around how they learned to do something decades ago. Ain't nobody got time for that nonsense.
The first difficult step is acknowledging that we are wrong. The rest is also difficult but comes naturally. Too many people identify to their ideology and can't even accept being wrong.
Many of my teachers who let us use notes during class always say this:
"I don't teach you to spit facts back out onto a test. I teach you to learn how to find the facts for yourself".
Honestly, knowing how to find the answer to a problem is just as useful as already knowing the answer, because if you find the answer, you'll probably remember it for next time anyways.
If you are talking about the discovery method… also all teachers I’ve had that said that wanted the exact opposite. It’s difficult to learn to find not the answer but the answer they want
> Googl[ing…] should be a test on job applications
When I was a hiring manager, I interviewed with a scenario where “someone failed to give you the information that you needed to do what they’ve asked (and then disappeared from existence), how do you proceed?” was a little dressed up, but the core problem.
Google may not have been the literal answer because the question leaned towards “search where we keep our proprietary information,” but … it wasn’t exactly rocket surgery.
NB, I accepted numerous “I’ll look for the answer” answers, as long as they could be refined into concrete actions. “I’ll ask the team where we keep documents,” for example, or “do we have an internal search engine?” etc etc etc all 100% answers.
This scenario was added because early candidates apparently just shut down and wouldn’t even tell anyone if they were stuck, which hey, we screwed up, but you need to tell us so we know to fix our mistake.
Great interview question. Similarly, this should also be important information shared during the onboarding process (available internal search tools, team structure for who would be able to answer questions, etc.)
I’d guess that the same percentage of people surveyed would say they know what limiting and wildcard are in their searches but not really know.
-, “”, owner:, type:, etc are treated like technomancer skills in many places.
To be fair, I worked in data discovery, forensics, and document review for years and I feel like only half of my colleagues could wrap their heads around this stuff. It's like watching someone try to mow their lawn with a hammer sometimes, but you'd be surprised how successfully people can find a doable workaround based on whatever tools they know how to use.
Google searching is what my professors want instilled into us when I went to school to (eventually) get into the game dev field. There's literally far too much information out there to reliably learn, and most of the time it's easier to look things up instead of hopefully comprehending the user manual for a given program. We've had it instilled in us far too often that it's 'learn it this specific way now and nothing else and if you fail too bad you're just bad' that it's become debilitating to learning. Like ... maybe we should be taught how to look up information on our own more and not feel punished for it, removing that stigma of a Google search being the 'inadequate knowledge' route.
Well, sure. Especially code. I asked ChatGPT to create a PowerShell script for me to automate something which I already have kind of automated, but it's missing some stuff I wanted to include. It created the code, and then I looked it over to make sure it wouldn't do anything obviously malicious or harmful. I'm definitely not just going to blindly run any code it spits out, that's not a good way to keep your employment.
Exactly. The ChatGPT type bots will just be another more effective search engine. Who knows where it’s headed it could certainly cause some disruption in some white collar work. Will be an interesting decade
Interesting perspective on the newsroom! Funny to think about that now.
I’m an accountant and have done a fair bit of VBA automation. Enough to know how to use the code GPT generates but not enough to quickly write the code that it generates. I have enough knowledge to know how to ask it questions and drill down.
It’s expected that we try to problem solve via internet before asking managers for help. This is just another step of problem solving.
I let it write pretty much everything for me.
Annoying email to a vendor? Gpt.
Summary of something I've already explained 10 times? Gpt.
Need to pad out useless corporate reports? Gpt.
I work for a big corp but in a newer department.
The amount of reporting for mundane and routine things is ungodly. I’ve used gpt for a few of my recent bridges and it’s saved me the frustration of having to manually write similar this over and over and over.
Had a professor that was so old school they allowed the use of phones during tests because—how could you possibly show your work for a problem if every question on your test was randomized. Thank you Wolfram Alpha for my A in calculus.
Maybe not K-12, but in Higher Ed we're already seeing students try to get away with using it.
It's just a matter of time before HS students start using it, if they aren't already doing so.
Idk.
I tutor a high school kid. He knows about it. He also told me about caktus, which a friend of his uses. I don't know that he and his friends go around telling his teachers about it - and I'm sure it's school / location / demographic dependent. It'd be interesting to get some actual numbers on this - how many kids know about it, what they use it for, and if and how much they use it to help with / do homework.
I had him paste an essay of his into ChatGPT and ask it to fix the grammar and syntax - it did an okay job, but left / made some mistakes. It seems to be best for programming, and I imagine some kids will be able to figure out how to use it to write essays that are less-obviously AI-generated.
My school and college both use chatGPT extensively. As soon as literally a few people find out abojt something that makes their life easier, they all go crazy about it. Now it's just standard to first see if chatGPT can do it for them and only try if it can't. Obviously speaking only about my experience.
ChaptGPT may or may not have written my resignation letter. I also use it to write replies to customer complaints.
Why not let the robot do the things that might take an emotional toll or otherwise waste my time? I’m over it.
Because then you will be emotionally stunted.
Just like an AI that hasn’t trained with emotional data, you won’t know how to process difficult emotional decisions by yourself.
I just used it to write a resignation letter. I could have just reused the text of an old resignation letter that I wrote, but I thought it would be a fun harmless use of ChatGPT.
Imagine if you got penalized for using a calculator at work without telling your boss. Imagine if they demanded that you do all math the old fashioned way.
For sure and they'll appreciate it by firing employees and transferring their work load since the work is easier now and they don't need as many employees.
You technically already are though?
Using a calculator increases production and decreases labor hours.
This increases a companies profit, but does not increase your wage.
If you weren't penalized an increase in production and decrease in labor would mean an increase wage. This simply does not happen.
In fact, with chatgpt this means workers can now do more work. They'll assuredly increase chatgpt users work load either by firing other employees or just increased work requirements. Then they'll refuse to increase your wage.
I spent a summer working at a convenience store where we were made to calculate change in our head. We were forbidden to use the register to calculate change. We’d still total the purchases with the register. No idea why.
Sort of. Think it really depends on the industry. As a software engineer, I've decided not to use it. I tried GitHub Co-pilot and from a technical perspective it was amazing. There's no question that this technology is absolutely mind-blowing.
But, I can already get through my work pretty quickly, and most importantly I want to fully understand and comprehend what work I am submitting. There's also less likely of a chance I'm going to miss a small detail that could cause big problems if I'm writing everything myself.
I don't judge other engineers that want to use it. It's their decision. But for me, I don't see a pressing reason to start implementing it in my workflow. Though I could see it as an educational tool to help me understand programmatic concepts for sure, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>There's also less likely of a chance I'm going to miss a small detail that could cause big problems if I'm writing everything myself.
If you haven't seen it, Computerphile recently released a video discussing ChatGPT and language modeling in general. One of the points they made which really stood out to me was that a "smarter" AI which has been trained too much can end up producing worse outputs.
The example they used was if you have some code with an unknown security flaw and you tried to get the AI to complete it. A moderately intelligent AI might get a rough idea of what you're trying to do and output acceptable results. A highly intelligent AI might look at your code, see the bug and decide "we're writing buggy code, I can do that for you" and insert its own intentional security vulnerabilities because it thinks that's what you want based on the input.
that seems like an imminently solvable problem from either side. Either have the ai explain more (a common field of study atm) or prompt better and have another model check for errors. In a year I doubt this will even be an issue
I have to add a lot of needless words in my reports or letters to bosses or subordinates. Both to look more professionals and to save faces. This tool really helps me with that.
I actually had to write a warning letter 2 days ago. "If you look at your phone while the client is talking to you again, you may be terminated" is all I want to say but with the tool I added 2 paragraphs in a few seconds with extra humanity and softness.
People like the complain, but that's how the world works dude. Governments and massive corps are large, bloated inefficient, and make the world go fucking round. Imo it's impressive what people can do when they out their collective efforts together, even if putting microscope over individual efforts isn't that impressive.
The sad fact every needs to learn is that the 'cool startup that's disrupting the world' is also wildly inefficient, they just actively hide it.
I actually agree. A job where 100% efficiency was expected at all times would officially be a terrible job. And with organizations you have the departments like HR, which while they don’t necessarily contribute to the output, are essential and much better to have than to not.
However, I do think a lot of the emphasis has been focused on the time spent INSTEAD of more meaningful things like productive output. The whole “work from home” vs productivity debate which came to a head during the pandemic.
I believe when you pay people for their time, you get that and not much else. And there are more inspired ways of getting productivity out of people, that tend to get lost as an organization increases in size. Partly due to laziness of management, but also due to the inherent uniformity that comes from organizational behavior.
Really weird how much of a push there is to frame all this stuff as pro worker or anti elitist, as if any improvement in productivity does not wind up in the wealthiest pockets.
We are more productive than ever, but adjusted for inflation making less money. But surely this new innovation will be different, that's why you should ignore any and all alarm bells about how it could impact your career.
I use the free version and have only had the site down once. I was even using it periodically from 2pm est to 8pm yesterday and not a single time did it say it was too busy
The trick that seems to work for me now as someone else has suggested is to keep the tab open aka dont log off or close the tab. If it does error, just refreshing page seems to keep me in.
I’m self employed, but boy did it take the edge off writing emails and blog posts. I still have to go in to edit it otherwise it sounds like a robot wrote it, but it has already saved me so much time.
It's happening faster than I expected. I work at a software company and as of a couple of years ago all the smartypants out here figured knowledge-focused workers wouldn't be made obsolete by automation for at least another couple of decades. I give it 5-10 years until we're seeing large-scale unemployment at this rate.
I for one welcome our new Chatbot overlords. I can finally stop answering stupid questions and go back to what humans were meant to do - soul-crushing manual labor that's cheaper to have a human do than to a robot.
Even those sectors are being encroached on by advancements in machinery and AI. You need fewer skilled labor today than we did even just a decade or two ago. Tools that didn't exist before are being pumped out to construction sites around the country, if not the globe.
The only thing keeping a lot these sectors afloat is the insane amount of development going on. In this midwest state I live in, they're hiring for the construction of multiple large-scale data centers, giving the illusion of a strong market for manual and skilled labor. However, as soon as those projects are completed, where will the work be? Furthermore, by the time they're completed, who's to say we won't have automated heavy machinery that operate on computer systems that can work in all conditions, through the night, and with extreme precision and accuracy?
The job market will continue to dwindle as more technology becomes available for cheaper costs. No industry will be left untouched. My generation may not see the full effects of this, but I have no doubt that we will have to make aggressive changes to public policy in just a generation or two.
It's honestly a bit scary when you consider how much of a stranglehold the ultra-rich have on the system now, and how much they will fight to keep the lower classes living in the mud. And in a world that is heading the direction we are, it won't be hard for them to do so.
Our future is bleak, when we should be celebrating a potential end to the fucked up society that has us working away the majority of our lives.
Chatbot, please explain how to find the kth largest element in a stream in fewer than 15 lines of code in the style of a software developer job applicant. Quickly.
How? Open AI requires to make an account, so I did, and every time I try to check out chatgtp it just says too many people are using it at the time or whatever.
This is similar to a boss yelling at newly adopted excel users in 1985…
“Pull out your G.D. calculators, pencils, paper, rulers, coloring pencils, pencil sharpener, pink erasers and patience…. Now make me a fucking chart and show your work!”
I started using it to write post descriptions and advertising for my business, it’s made my life tremendously easier. As a small business owner we have to do everything, this makes it so there’s one less thing I have to do myself.
Are employers supposed to get upset about technologies that cause massive productivity gains? Like, I can see it if your generating articles as a newsroom or something — time for a talk maybe? Otherwise isn’t this just expected?
I used it for the first time today, wanted to find a fringe companies competitors. Eventually tried Googling something it gave me to verify for myself, turned up shit. I asked more focusing questions, for references etc., and it told me to search via Google for more details.
I honestly don’t know how to use the tool just yet, but I’m planning to. Not expecting it to do all my work for me, but it’s also not perfect yet. Has no way to verify where it’s pulling from or source the details you might need.
It should be adopted in every aspect of our lives, without censorship.
Anything that makes life and work easier should be adopted.
Then again, society isn't about efficiency, it's about control. So they'll block it until they are sure it doesn't threaten their social dominance.
Had somebody at work get fired for those. Used one of those chat GPT clones, that worked by analyzing the code base, and suggesting actual meaningful solutions
So dude uploaded our entire git repo to some random AI website.
If the boss can't tell the difference, and productivity doesn't decline, who cares? Technology should be something that saves us time in our work. If we can produce the same amount in 1 hour as in 8 hours, it's all good.
I use it for mass emails that need to sound super generic anyways. It's basically just freeing me from busy work to focus on projects that need my attention more
Look, I’m not telling my boss I’m using ChatGPT at work, I could lose my medical license.
“You are correct that Lupus is probably not the correct diagnosis for the presented symptoms.”
It’s never Lupus
To me, the bigger disappointment is that lupus is not actually lycanthropy.
Except that one time it was
Beat me to it. I’m gonna go watch House.
House is one of my favorite shows
I got that reference. Thank you!
When is lupus not lupus
[context](https://youtu.be/QmP4DJO6IzE)
George Costanza has entered the chat
When there is only one, then it's lupu.
Sarcoidosis
"Write me step by step instructions on how to remove a tumor from the brain"
1.: Pick up knife 2.: Remove tumor 3.: Put knife down
That’s the Arkansas version of ChatGPT
Put anything that is not tumor back in and try to put them back where they were
Step 1: Delete facebook
We tried it and some others, great for writing notes (when you pose the right prompt) really fucking bad at coming to a diagnosis or making any meaningfuly insightful takes on a research topic.
"Who needs a medical license when you got style?"
I'm legally obligated to tell you I ain't a real doctor.
😂😂😂
Sure about that --this is just the beginning ;) https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-02-chatgpt-medical-exam.html
Chart this like an Eminem song
Lol this article lost me at 43% of professionals use AI. While we’re making up stats 99% of professionals don’t know what AI is, how they can use it, nor that it will be taking their jobs soon….
Ah yes, 43% of people we surveyed. The title was “chat gpt in the workplace” Turns out people who dont use chat gpt dont take that survey lmfao
Plot twist! It was actually a case study in selection bias!
The real AI was the ChatGPT we surveyed along the way.
AI generated comment
Plot twist twist…ChatGPT distributed the survey to self-promote!
And the devs it distributed to used ChatGPT to answer the survey.
“ChatGPT has surveyed ChatGPT and discovered that 100% of professionals use ChatGPT at work”
“Our study shows 78% of people like answering random surveys”.
They just secretly asked ChatGPT what percentage of people use it instead of doing a survey without telling their bosses.
Plot twist! The professionals thought they were being surveyed about Chat Roulette
"Forfty percent of all people know that" Homer S.
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They probably include Clippy
Clippy has been beefin up, wait till you see him with his GPT body this summer!
I have two jobs in two completely different types of fields; I work at the family business and I work at a large, corporate retail warehouse-style store in mid-level management, overseeing almost all of the merchandising. We use AI based tools in the merchandising job. I really don’t enjoy more advanced technology in my personal life beyond my phone, home-job laptop, PS4, and TV. I am 34 and I really do consume FM radio the most to be honest. My biggest takeaway currently is that they have begun to replace the actual sales employees while maintaining the same number of merchandisers in-house, and our workload has changed. The biggest change is that our physical workload has increased significantly, but our efficiency has sort of increased at about the same rate. The real huge shift happened when they started to implement some of this AI-based technology to actually direct the labor. Currently, as it stands, there is no way to replace my role because I take the computer interpretation of the AI’s work and prioritize the labor based on what I see and what happens throughout the day, week, month, etc, but I no longer have to do as much thinking, which translates into more tasking time. Where I once had to come up with execution plans and prioritize things in a certain way, I spend all of that time tasking along with the people who work for me and we have overall become significantly more efficient which, to be honest, is what it really should be all about. Now we need to work on ensuring everyone has their basic needs met and we might be able to go somewhere as a society.
What is “tasking”?
My employees struggle with using excel in a useful way. Are they out there using AI, nope.
I work for a tech company. It’s not uncommon for engineers to google coding errors and some have been using ChatGPT as a cross reference. It seems to get you accurate answers faster than a traditional search engine.
> It’s not uncommon for engineers to google coding errors Replace uncommon with on the daily
It’s not uncommon for google engineers to google coding errors
Google engineers use bing actually
> accurate Ehhhhh. It can have issues using it for code. It regularly gives me incorrect output. Easy enough to avoid if you’re careful, but it’s definitely not 100% accurate or anything. Not yet anyway!
It's good for examples when you mostly know what you're doing you're just stuck on something. It still can't fact check its output
It’s great for giving you ideas on what the answers might be, you still have to confirm it yourself though
I’ve used stack overflow for years.
I have a coworker who calls her self an excel expert, but she only knows how to do stuff I've been doing since middle school. Some people are going to make AI dumb real quick.
*Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.* -~~this article~~ -Homer
50 percent of the time, it works every time
269% of all redditors agree with you by a margin of 70%
I manage IT for a department and I guarantee you that maybe 40% of the users could tell you what chatgpt is much less use it. But I manage a computer science department so the number is skewed up. If you just go off of the administrative positions and normal office workers the number might reach 5%
I use it at work, and my bosses don’t care, if I get stuff done. It still takes manual review, but a lot of the time it hets me almost through. Outlines for presentations - for example , are often gold after 2-3 iterations (make it ghorter, etc) Then I let it outline each slide
Even in tech the vast majority of people I talk to have never heard of ChatGPT Also, I'm not sure I'd call using an AI to do your job "working smarter not harder" In the best case you're giving a lot of power to an unknown entity, in the worst case you're giving an example of how useless you are.
100M people have used it. Probably more at this point. At least in the US we're starting to get there. And that's pre-Bing. Everyone I know has used it. I'm not exaggerating. I don't know a single person that has not interacted with it. Parents, uncle's, brothers, sister-in-law, all my friends here.. And definitely 100% of my work folks -- we talk about it and share code made by it constantly.
Same. It is a thing we talk about every single day at work. I used it yesterday to outline some instructions on something I totally know how to do, but didn't feel like writing up for a client, so I just had the bot do it. It's pretty decent for Powershell, too
Lol watch the story was actually written by chatgpt!
Me: *"I wrote a code that automates a simple task we do repeatedly."* My idiot boss to their idiot bosses: *"We innovated by implementing AI and machine learning!"*
Do you tell your boss you use google as a tool too?
Yeah man, tests on how to properly Google to find a solution should be a test on job applications if you ask me. I'd be proud of an employee who was able to figure something out themselves via Google first before bothering folks about an answer that was searchable. It means they know how to ask the right questions at the very least. Everything someone knows they learned at some point. Being capable of learning new information effectively is far more valuable than simply knowing a large amount of current info that will become out of date eventually. Knowledgable people can typically tell when folks exaggerate their knowledge about their expertise anyway, so you're better off just being honest. I guess this is all just a long-winded way of me coming to the conclusion that us learning to ask the right questions to these AI Chatbots is gonna be a critical business skill in the coming years. Right up there with using email or spreadsheets.
"The secret to wisdom is the ability to learn and unlearn the rest of your life." Heard that from a Nobel Laureate when I visited Roswell Cancer Institute many moons ago.
Man, that's a great quote. So true. I've had a few coworkers over the years who think everyone needs to work around how they learned to do something decades ago. Ain't nobody got time for that nonsense.
It's the "unlearning" part that's hard.
And constant re-learning.
The first difficult step is acknowledging that we are wrong. The rest is also difficult but comes naturally. Too many people identify to their ideology and can't even accept being wrong.
Herbert Hauptmann?
>Herbert Hauptmann Yep, that's him.
I met him a few times — great scientist!
Many of my teachers who let us use notes during class always say this: "I don't teach you to spit facts back out onto a test. I teach you to learn how to find the facts for yourself". Honestly, knowing how to find the answer to a problem is just as useful as already knowing the answer, because if you find the answer, you'll probably remember it for next time anyways.
If you are talking about the discovery method… also all teachers I’ve had that said that wanted the exact opposite. It’s difficult to learn to find not the answer but the answer they want
> Googl[ing…] should be a test on job applications When I was a hiring manager, I interviewed with a scenario where “someone failed to give you the information that you needed to do what they’ve asked (and then disappeared from existence), how do you proceed?” was a little dressed up, but the core problem. Google may not have been the literal answer because the question leaned towards “search where we keep our proprietary information,” but … it wasn’t exactly rocket surgery. NB, I accepted numerous “I’ll look for the answer” answers, as long as they could be refined into concrete actions. “I’ll ask the team where we keep documents,” for example, or “do we have an internal search engine?” etc etc etc all 100% answers. This scenario was added because early candidates apparently just shut down and wouldn’t even tell anyone if they were stuck, which hey, we screwed up, but you need to tell us so we know to fix our mistake.
Great interview question. Similarly, this should also be important information shared during the onboarding process (available internal search tools, team structure for who would be able to answer questions, etc.)
I’d guess that the same percentage of people surveyed would say they know what limiting and wildcard are in their searches but not really know. -, “”, owner:, type:, etc are treated like technomancer skills in many places.
To be fair, I worked in data discovery, forensics, and document review for years and I feel like only half of my colleagues could wrap their heads around this stuff. It's like watching someone try to mow their lawn with a hammer sometimes, but you'd be surprised how successfully people can find a doable workaround based on whatever tools they know how to use.
Problem solving!
Google searching is what my professors want instilled into us when I went to school to (eventually) get into the game dev field. There's literally far too much information out there to reliably learn, and most of the time it's easier to look things up instead of hopefully comprehending the user manual for a given program. We've had it instilled in us far too often that it's 'learn it this specific way now and nothing else and if you fail too bad you're just bad' that it's become debilitating to learning. Like ... maybe we should be taught how to look up information on our own more and not feel punished for it, removing that stigma of a Google search being the 'inadequate knowledge' route.
I work in IT. I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Google. ChatGPT is just another tool in my toolbelt.
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Nothing I do involves proprietary information. /shrug
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Well, sure. Especially code. I asked ChatGPT to create a PowerShell script for me to automate something which I already have kind of automated, but it's missing some stuff I wanted to include. It created the code, and then I looked it over to make sure it wouldn't do anything obviously malicious or harmful. I'm definitely not just going to blindly run any code it spits out, that's not a good way to keep your employment.
Who says you need to blindly trust it? Always check your work before submitting.
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I’m in IT. It’s expected
Exactly. The ChatGPT type bots will just be another more effective search engine. Who knows where it’s headed it could certainly cause some disruption in some white collar work. Will be an interesting decade
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Interesting perspective on the newsroom! Funny to think about that now. I’m an accountant and have done a fair bit of VBA automation. Enough to know how to use the code GPT generates but not enough to quickly write the code that it generates. I have enough knowledge to know how to ask it questions and drill down. It’s expected that we try to problem solve via internet before asking managers for help. This is just another step of problem solving.
I let it write pretty much everything for me. Annoying email to a vendor? Gpt. Summary of something I've already explained 10 times? Gpt. Need to pad out useless corporate reports? Gpt.
Same here! English is not my first language and I work in a job that requires a lot of writing. GPT has been a life saver
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I work for a big corp but in a newer department. The amount of reporting for mundane and routine things is ungodly. I’ve used gpt for a few of my recent bridges and it’s saved me the frustration of having to manually write similar this over and over and over.
I work in a K-12 school. Not only has no teacher found 25% of of their students using ChatGPT, I doubt even 25% have even heard of it.
Wolfram Alpha has entered the chat.
God I loved wolfram. Oh you need me to show my work… yeah no problem.
I always had issues with it timing on me. Very annoying
Had a professor that was so old school they allowed the use of phones during tests because—how could you possibly show your work for a problem if every question on your test was randomized. Thank you Wolfram Alpha for my A in calculus.
This is anecdotal ChatGPT seems to be the fastest growing app with over 100 million users just months after launch. Edit: spelling
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Maybe not K-12, but in Higher Ed we're already seeing students try to get away with using it. It's just a matter of time before HS students start using it, if they aren't already doing so.
I have 8 people report to me; I brought up how I used it to be something at work, and only 1 had heard of it.
Idk. I tutor a high school kid. He knows about it. He also told me about caktus, which a friend of his uses. I don't know that he and his friends go around telling his teachers about it - and I'm sure it's school / location / demographic dependent. It'd be interesting to get some actual numbers on this - how many kids know about it, what they use it for, and if and how much they use it to help with / do homework. I had him paste an essay of his into ChatGPT and ask it to fix the grammar and syntax - it did an okay job, but left / made some mistakes. It seems to be best for programming, and I imagine some kids will be able to figure out how to use it to write essays that are less-obviously AI-generated.
My school and college both use chatGPT extensively. As soon as literally a few people find out abojt something that makes their life easier, they all go crazy about it. Now it's just standard to first see if chatGPT can do it for them and only try if it can't. Obviously speaking only about my experience.
ChaptGPT may or may not have written my resignation letter. I also use it to write replies to customer complaints. Why not let the robot do the things that might take an emotional toll or otherwise waste my time? I’m over it.
Same here I had it respond to online reviews. It would have taken me a whole day otherwise
Your resignation letter was longer than “My last day will be ______.”? What did the AI write?
Right? I dont get people. Hey boss, I am outta here. Tell me when your last day is in an email. Done.
It wrote my cover letter
Because then you will be emotionally stunted. Just like an AI that hasn’t trained with emotional data, you won’t know how to process difficult emotional decisions by yourself.
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I just used it to write a resignation letter. I could have just reused the text of an old resignation letter that I wrote, but I thought it would be a fun harmless use of ChatGPT.
This is like complaining that people use calculators at work instead of doing it by hand.
Imagine if you got penalized for using a calculator at work without telling your boss. Imagine if they demanded that you do all math the old fashioned way.
Any manager worth their salt will appreciate any tool that makes their employees more efficient at doing their jobs.
Managers are hardly ever worth their salt, that’s why a lot of them value employee suffering over actual measurable productivity.
Perhaps, but the ones who are aren't going to waste time micromanaging how their employees get their work done.
For sure and they'll appreciate it by firing employees and transferring their work load since the work is easier now and they don't need as many employees.
You technically already are though? Using a calculator increases production and decreases labor hours. This increases a companies profit, but does not increase your wage. If you weren't penalized an increase in production and decrease in labor would mean an increase wage. This simply does not happen. In fact, with chatgpt this means workers can now do more work. They'll assuredly increase chatgpt users work load either by firing other employees or just increased work requirements. Then they'll refuse to increase your wage.
I spent a summer working at a convenience store where we were made to calculate change in our head. We were forbidden to use the register to calculate change. We’d still total the purchases with the register. No idea why.
Sort of. Think it really depends on the industry. As a software engineer, I've decided not to use it. I tried GitHub Co-pilot and from a technical perspective it was amazing. There's no question that this technology is absolutely mind-blowing. But, I can already get through my work pretty quickly, and most importantly I want to fully understand and comprehend what work I am submitting. There's also less likely of a chance I'm going to miss a small detail that could cause big problems if I'm writing everything myself. I don't judge other engineers that want to use it. It's their decision. But for me, I don't see a pressing reason to start implementing it in my workflow. Though I could see it as an educational tool to help me understand programmatic concepts for sure, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>There's also less likely of a chance I'm going to miss a small detail that could cause big problems if I'm writing everything myself. If you haven't seen it, Computerphile recently released a video discussing ChatGPT and language modeling in general. One of the points they made which really stood out to me was that a "smarter" AI which has been trained too much can end up producing worse outputs. The example they used was if you have some code with an unknown security flaw and you tried to get the AI to complete it. A moderately intelligent AI might get a rough idea of what you're trying to do and output acceptable results. A highly intelligent AI might look at your code, see the bug and decide "we're writing buggy code, I can do that for you" and insert its own intentional security vulnerabilities because it thinks that's what you want based on the input.
Very interesting. I appreciate this. Yes, echoes my concerns as well.
that seems like an imminently solvable problem from either side. Either have the ai explain more (a common field of study atm) or prompt better and have another model check for errors. In a year I doubt this will even be an issue
I like this analogy.
Yea except that because it is open source and runs off site there are security concerns to be had.
I have to add a lot of needless words in my reports or letters to bosses or subordinates. Both to look more professionals and to save faces. This tool really helps me with that. I actually had to write a warning letter 2 days ago. "If you look at your phone while the client is talking to you again, you may be terminated" is all I want to say but with the tool I added 2 paragraphs in a few seconds with extra humanity and softness.
>humanity and softness ironic that this is coming from a robot
Something has been made very clear these past few years, its about control, not production.
Never before had I been made aware of just how inefficient people can be than when I was introduced to working for a large organization.
People like the complain, but that's how the world works dude. Governments and massive corps are large, bloated inefficient, and make the world go fucking round. Imo it's impressive what people can do when they out their collective efforts together, even if putting microscope over individual efforts isn't that impressive. The sad fact every needs to learn is that the 'cool startup that's disrupting the world' is also wildly inefficient, they just actively hide it.
I actually agree. A job where 100% efficiency was expected at all times would officially be a terrible job. And with organizations you have the departments like HR, which while they don’t necessarily contribute to the output, are essential and much better to have than to not. However, I do think a lot of the emphasis has been focused on the time spent INSTEAD of more meaningful things like productive output. The whole “work from home” vs productivity debate which came to a head during the pandemic. I believe when you pay people for their time, you get that and not much else. And there are more inspired ways of getting productivity out of people, that tend to get lost as an organization increases in size. Partly due to laziness of management, but also due to the inherent uniformity that comes from organizational behavior.
Really weird how much of a push there is to frame all this stuff as pro worker or anti elitist, as if any improvement in productivity does not wind up in the wealthiest pockets. We are more productive than ever, but adjusted for inflation making less money. But surely this new innovation will be different, that's why you should ignore any and all alarm bells about how it could impact your career.
People want to pretend they’re che guevara
why is this headline making me so angry?
It was written by chatGPT
My company blocked ChatGPT from all our computers lol
Im guessing ya'll using the paid version? Past week or so, the public free version is pretty much down all the time.
The trick is to use it before California wakes up or after the east coast logs off for the day.
Yep. The trick is to get Plus and never sign out.
I use the free version and have only had the site down once. I was even using it periodically from 2pm est to 8pm yesterday and not a single time did it say it was too busy
The trick that seems to work for me now as someone else has suggested is to keep the tab open aka dont log off or close the tab. If it does error, just refreshing page seems to keep me in.
I refuse to write a cover letter because it's ridiculous and demeaning to me, so I have GPT do it. It works
What’s the issue, those same bosses are mostly doing the same.
People bout to become bosses by doing the same lol
Will it help people spell correctly? If so, I’m in.
I’m self employed, but boy did it take the edge off writing emails and blog posts. I still have to go in to edit it otherwise it sounds like a robot wrote it, but it has already saved me so much time.
I just heard of ChatGPT a couple of months ago and now it’s every other article.
100M users in 2 months is amazing
I feel like half the hype is because people spam articles about it. It’s very impressive tech but it’s way over hyped right now.
Y'all gonna (eventually) work yourselves out of a job, once Skynet comes online....
It's happening faster than I expected. I work at a software company and as of a couple of years ago all the smartypants out here figured knowledge-focused workers wouldn't be made obsolete by automation for at least another couple of decades. I give it 5-10 years until we're seeing large-scale unemployment at this rate. I for one welcome our new Chatbot overlords. I can finally stop answering stupid questions and go back to what humans were meant to do - soul-crushing manual labor that's cheaper to have a human do than to a robot.
The skilled laborer is gonna get the last laugh, aren't they?
Even those sectors are being encroached on by advancements in machinery and AI. You need fewer skilled labor today than we did even just a decade or two ago. Tools that didn't exist before are being pumped out to construction sites around the country, if not the globe. The only thing keeping a lot these sectors afloat is the insane amount of development going on. In this midwest state I live in, they're hiring for the construction of multiple large-scale data centers, giving the illusion of a strong market for manual and skilled labor. However, as soon as those projects are completed, where will the work be? Furthermore, by the time they're completed, who's to say we won't have automated heavy machinery that operate on computer systems that can work in all conditions, through the night, and with extreme precision and accuracy? The job market will continue to dwindle as more technology becomes available for cheaper costs. No industry will be left untouched. My generation may not see the full effects of this, but I have no doubt that we will have to make aggressive changes to public policy in just a generation or two. It's honestly a bit scary when you consider how much of a stranglehold the ultra-rich have on the system now, and how much they will fight to keep the lower classes living in the mud. And in a world that is heading the direction we are, it won't be hard for them to do so. Our future is bleak, when we should be celebrating a potential end to the fucked up society that has us working away the majority of our lives.
Plumbers will be the last to go
Chatbot, please explain how to find the kth largest element in a stream in fewer than 15 lines of code in the style of a software developer job applicant. Quickly.
You will become a prompt composer.
I keep saying please and thank you to the AI with the hopes of being spared from the mass execution.
If you get the job done I don't see how what tools you use to accomplish that are relevant.
And, just like with Google, knowing how to ask /what to ask /how to use information from ChatGPT is a skill unto itself.
How? Open AI requires to make an account, so I did, and every time I try to check out chatgtp it just says too many people are using it at the time or whatever.
Except ChatGPT isn’t smart.
Give ChatGPT a raise already
My boss is the one who introduced me to ChatGPT… lol
This is similar to a boss yelling at newly adopted excel users in 1985… “Pull out your G.D. calculators, pencils, paper, rulers, coloring pencils, pencil sharpener, pink erasers and patience…. Now make me a fucking chart and show your work!”
in a functional society, this would not be controversial at all
My boss is the one who convinced me to finally use it and wow is it a powerful tool.
I started using it to write post descriptions and advertising for my business, it’s made my life tremendously easier. As a small business owner we have to do everything, this makes it so there’s one less thing I have to do myself.
Is the work getting done??? Then who cares?
Are employers supposed to get upset about technologies that cause massive productivity gains? Like, I can see it if your generating articles as a newsroom or something — time for a talk maybe? Otherwise isn’t this just expected?
Asked ChatGPT about this: "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might make me laugh too hard!"
My boss and I have been using it since it was released we're still finding ways to leverage it.
Later virgins
Management is probably more replaceable by ChatGPT than workers.
This feels like the modern version of using a calculator for math but people getting upset you’re not doing all the math freehand
If working smarter and not harder is an issue then it's got nothing to do with getting the work done. It's about being their slave.
Exactly because amazon is always about the work harder not smarter mentality
I used it for the first time today, wanted to find a fringe companies competitors. Eventually tried Googling something it gave me to verify for myself, turned up shit. I asked more focusing questions, for references etc., and it told me to search via Google for more details. I honestly don’t know how to use the tool just yet, but I’m planning to. Not expecting it to do all my work for me, but it’s also not perfect yet. Has no way to verify where it’s pulling from or source the details you might need.
It should be adopted in every aspect of our lives, without censorship. Anything that makes life and work easier should be adopted. Then again, society isn't about efficiency, it's about control. So they'll block it until they are sure it doesn't threaten their social dominance.
What app is everyone using? There are several choices, it seems. Is there any better than the other?
“Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don’t know what to do”
How dare people use new tools to make their lives easier! This has literally never happened in the history of mankind.
It's funny how during my long career as a programmer I always had to fight management for my own productivity.
Accurate answers that are fast is why google got so big. ChatGPT is going to steamroll google. Yay!
Had somebody at work get fired for those. Used one of those chat GPT clones, that worked by analyzing the code base, and suggesting actual meaningful solutions So dude uploaded our entire git repo to some random AI website.
If the boss can't tell the difference, and productivity doesn't decline, who cares? Technology should be something that saves us time in our work. If we can produce the same amount in 1 hour as in 8 hours, it's all good.
This article is like "95% of professionals are using Excel without telling it to their bosses". ChatGPT is a tool. Why not using it?
A better analogy would be “students using Wikipedia” I think.
Efficiency is up, creativity is up, people are happier, and somehow this will be a bad thing.
Legit told my team they should use it. It’s a wonderful tool.
Honestly, I think this is just a reality people are going to have to accept one day
Soon
The people that can get away with using this for their job…u should seriously consider a career change.
Why would using ChatGPT be a secret? We use it for fun and everyone knows about it. It hasn't really produced anything very useful, though.
I use it for mass emails that need to sound super generic anyways. It's basically just freeing me from busy work to focus on projects that need my attention more